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ghostof5letters · March 2014

Woman Gets Nails Done, Gives Birth at Salon

Saturday, Mar 29, 2014 | Updated 6:18 PM EDT

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What started as a day at the nail salon turned into a day a northern New Jersey woman won't soon forget.

The owner of Eden Nails in Glen Rock tells The Record the woman, a regular customer of the salon, came in on Wednesday for a manicure-pedicure and foot massage.

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Nancy Wang says the woman's nails weren't even dry when she went into the bathroom after having a massage. That's when her water broke.

Wang says a customer in the salon was a nurse from a nearby medical facility, and she had the woman lie down in the bathroom.

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The woman's husband arrived in time to see the baby boy delivered, which happened just as an ambulance arrived.

Salsera29 · March 2014

ghostof5letters said:

Woman Gets Nails Done, Gives Birth at Salon
Saturday, Mar 29, 2014 | Updated 6:18 PM EDT
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What started as a day at the nail salon turned into a day a northern New Jersey woman won't soon forget.
The owner of Eden Nails in Glen Rock tells The Record the woman, a regular customer of the salon, came in on Wednesday for a manicure-pedicure and foot massage.
READ: Pa. Teen Says Font Change Could Save $370M
Nancy Wang says the woman's nails weren't even dry when she went into the bathroom after having a massage. That's when her water broke.
Wang says a customer in the salon was a nurse from a nearby medical facility, and she had the woman lie down in the bathroom.
READ: Gwyneth Paltrow Suggests Working Moms Have it Easier Than Movie Stars
The woman's husband arrived in time to see the baby boy delivered, which happened just as an ambulance arrived.

Holy shit. No thank you!!!!

jensavicci · March 2014

I'm at my cousins sweet 16 and I am just so awkward and out of place. She's got her friends mostly and the family. Her friends are in a separate room because they need to be "cool" away from us. Which is fine. Except the food is in the room with them. And I'm hungry. Very very hungry. So I keep waddling in the room munchin on food lol. I think I embarrassed her when Ariana grande came on and I danced my pregnant booty off. Oops. I'm about to embarrass her again because guess what just came on? The wobble.

Waddle baby waddle baby waddle baby waddle!

TallMomma29 · March 2014

Salsera29 said:

Holy shit. No thank you!!!!

I am so scared of one of these crazy scenarios happening to me! I have really bad luck in general so I feel like this is destined to me. Just wait for my birth story, ladies ;-)

TallMomma29 · March 2014

Chips and salsa followed by jelly beans is a balanced dinner, right?

MonkeyJD · March 2014

TallMomma29 said:
Chips and salsa followed by jelly beans is a balanced dinner, right?

You've got grains (chips), veggies (salsa) and fruit (jelly beans) so I say yes!

jamboree jess · March 2014

MIL called today from Babies R Us, and the car seat we were registered for is being replaced by a new model and was 50% off! (And there was only one left, she got to it seconds before a rabid pregnant lady :P) so she got us the car seat and a high chair. yippee!

So, PSA, if you're interested in the Evenflo Symphony DLX, it is super cheap wherever you can find it!!! I have a friend who recently nabbed one for (I believe) $90 at Sears.

Also, I spent all day in Ikea today. Just wanted to pick up a dresser really quick, and that place is like Bermuda's triangle. Not only got the dresser, but a rug, curtains, and this super neat leaf bed canopy. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60054636/

TallMomma29 · March 2014

tundrabunny said:

DH made awesome salmon and scallop tacos tonight. I can't even freaking believe I married a chef. Seriously. I don't know how I lucked out so hardcore on that one.

Ahhhh I'm so jealous! My DH loves to cook, so when he is home I eat like a grown up. When he is gone, I eat like a lonely single girl in college ;-) I've been trying really hard to eat real meals given I'm eating for two here... But hopefully LO forgives me for the chips/salsa/jelly beans thing tonight because I just don't have the energy to think up/make something more legitimate to eat!

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emineminem · March 2014

@literachick totally. I just ended up registering for everything on Lucie's list that also had good reviews on amazon. Probably not the best or most selective process but that ish is overwhelming!

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ichamommy · March 2014

I just pooped. A good one. (HIGH FIVE!!!) But unfortunately, baby wanted the hot salsa at the mexi place yesterday so now my bum is on fire. Sadness.

dobbyisfree · March 2014

Idk if there was ever a thread on this and Idk the full story but the woman that was arrested for drinking while breastfeeding? What I come to understand is she was doing the two at the same time? My uncle is ranting on FB about how a bunch of 'armchair retards' are going after this woman when there is no proof she did anything wrong. Someone else chimed in that in Canada they used to give you a beer to make your milk come in? And that my Grandma drank while pregnant and theres nothing wrong with any of them. My dad even piped in to say theres more ADHD now than before... Im seriously aggrevated by all of this. Firstly my uncles are all alcoholics so it seems like hes trying to justify it. I think its ridiculous, especially when there is the pump and dump option. And I think they really have no idea when or how milk comes in, either. People used to xray the baby, too, when they didnt have ultrasounds. Doesnt mean we dont learn later on its not the best idea...

ghostof5letters · March 2014

amlonica said:

Idk if there was ever a thread on this and Idk the full story but the woman that was arrested for drinking while breastfeeding? What I come to understand is she was doing the two at the same time? My uncle is ranting on FB about how a bunch of 'armchair retards' are going after this woman when there is no proof she did anything wrong. Someone else chimed in that in Canada they used to give you a beer to make your milk come in? And that my Grandma drank while pregnant and theres nothing wrong with any of them. My dad even piped in to say theres more ADHD now than before... Im seriously aggrevated by all of this. Firstly my uncles are all alcoholics so it seems like hes trying to justify it. I think its ridiculous, especially when there is the pump and dump option. And I think they really have no idea when or how milk comes in, either. People used to xray the baby, too, when they didnt have ultrasounds. Doesnt mean we dont learn later on its not the best idea...

She had two beers over the course of a post funeral lunch, she wasn't double fisting lol. All charges have been dropped, although no breathalyzer was done.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-jailed-breastfeeding-drinking-waitress-fired/story?id=21622331

https://kellymom.com/bf/can-i-breastfeed/lifestyle/alcohol/

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Current research says that occasional use of alcohol (1-2 drinks) does not appear to be harmful to the nursing baby.
Per Hale (2012), “mothers who ingest alcohol in moderate amounts can generally return to breastfeeding as soon as they feel neurologically normal.”
The American Academy of Pediatrics Section on Breastfeeding notes: “ingestion of alcoholic beverages should be minimized and limited to an occasional intake but no more than 0.5 g alcohol per kg body weight, which for a 60 kg mother is approximately 2 oz liquor, 8 oz wine, or 2 beers. Nursing should take place 2 hours or longer after the alcohol intake to minimize its concentration in the ingested milk.”
Many experts recommend against drinking more than 1-2 drinks per week.
There is no need to pump & dump milk after drinking alcohol, other than for mom’s comfort— pumping & dumping does not speed the elimination of alcohol from the milk.
Alcohol does not increase milk production, and has been shown to inhibit let-down and decrease milk production (see below).
If you’re away from your baby, try to pump as often as baby usually nurses (this is to maintain milk supply, not because of the alcohol). At the very least, pump or hand express whenever you feel uncomfortably full – this will help you to avoid plugged ducts and mastitis.

In general, if you are sober enough to drive, you are sober enough to breastfeed. Less than 2% of the alcohol consumed by the mother reaches her blood and milk. Alcohol peaks in mom’s blood and milk approximately 1/2-1 hour after drinking (but there is considerable variation from person to person, depending upon how much food was eaten in the same time period, mom’s body weight and percentage of body fat, etc.). Alcohol does not accumulate in breastmilk, but leaves the milk as it leaves the blood; so when your blood alcohol levels are back down, so are your milk alcohol levels.

Always keep in mind the baby’s age when considering the effect of alcohol. A newborn has a very immature liver, so minute amounts of alcohol would be more of a burden. Up until around 3 months of age, infants detoxify alcohol at around half the rate of an adult. An older baby or toddler can metabolize the alcohol more quickly.

The beer part has fascinating history to me

https://lactogenicdiet.blogspot.com/2011/10/beer-as-galactagogue-brief-history.html

For several centuries in early European civilization, brewing remained domestic work, and eventually became a source of family income, with beer sold through local pubs or directly from the farm. As economies began to evolve, however, the upper classes were sensitized to the profit potential of brewing. They passed laws that successfully suppressed these small family businesses: recipes were strictly regulated, and fees and fines imposed. Brewing became impractical for small domestic breweries and pub houses, and the way was free for large industrial breweries that have prospered to the present day.

Guinness, one of these breweries, produces stout that is made not only with barley malt, but also the barley grain. The added grain makes the stout "silkier" and "thicker" due to beta-glucan, the lactogenic substance in barley. It makes perfect sense that Guinness is the commercial beer most frequently recommended today by breastfeeding mothers, as it is one of the very few to still contain beta-glucan. (See my article Malt as a Galactagogue for more information on beta-glucan in brewing.)

Beginning in the early 1500s, German law limited the ingredients for beer to barley, hops, yeast, and water. There were reasons for this that went beyond taste preferences. By limiting the grain used to barley, and prohibiting the use of wheat, more wheat was available for baking bread. But limiting production this way also forced various other types of beer into obscurity, and it formed a protective barrier to the importation of foreign beer. These restrictions would influence the international production of beer, as brewers in neighboring countries conformed to the restrictions of the large German market.

Today, almost all major brewers incorporate ingredients such as corn, rice, wheat or oats into their brews. Luckily for breastfeeding mothers, the “pure” ingredients defined by German-type beer, barley, barley malt, hops and yeast, are intensely lactogenic.

Beer – A Historic Galactagogue

Alcohol is an anti-galactagogue. Studies on animals and humans show that alcohol impairs the milk ejection reflex, slows the flow of milk, and leads to a reduced intake of milk by the baby during approximately four hours after drinking. Because of the back-up of milk, the breast feels fuller, fooling the mother into believing she is producing more. And because her baby drinks longer (milk flow is reduced, so it requires more time for baby to remove milk from the breast) the mother believes that her baby is drinking more.

However, if, as in traditional beer, significant amounts of lactogenic ingredients are used in brewing, these ingredients may prevail over the effect of the alcohol, and more milk be made.

I have ascertained that this is likely to be true by reading along in forums for exclusively pumping mothers. These pumping mothers will not be fooled by how their breasts feel or how long their baby drinks, and they report that by drinking one glass of beer in the evening (beer rich in barley or hops, such as Guinness Dark Stout or non-alcoholic, malty St. Pauli Girl), they pump measurably more milk the next day. Some also say that they have more and stronger let-downs at the pump that same evening. Clearly, something in the beer is over-riding the let-down inhibition of alcohol. I would encourage mothers to try locally produced stout beer made with barley or oats, to support their local breweries. (See my newer article The Best Beer for Breastfeeding Women for a concise guide.)

Historically, the beer used by mothers to increase their supply was nutritionally rich and low in alcohol. In home brewing, the so-called “mashing” (or boiling of malt, grains and herbs), was performed twice with the same grains and herbs. Whereas the first mashing returns a strong alcoholic beer, the second mashing returns a low-alcoholic beverage called “small beer” that was loosely filtered—a thin, porridge-like fluid that could practically be eaten!

mrscurlygurl · March 2014

LiteraChick said:

missquela said:

@literachick totally. I just ended up registering for everything on Lucie's list that also had good reviews on amazon. Probably not the best or most selective process but that ish is overwhelming!

DH is gently leading me away to crawl into bed before I start sobbing over all of the crap I pick out.... I love Amazon and their review system, it's the only thing keeping my sanity in check. Just when I get one item locked down, something else pops up on the side that I totally forgot about adding! I'm thinking of pencilling in some time at a babysuperstore soon so I can get a look at this stuff in person.

Hook me up if you find yourself geeking out about a product, I love referrals! ♥♥♥

I'm kind of excited about this: https://amzn.com/B003TSDMH8 seems to be much preferred over the Boppy.

Feel free to post here whenever you're having a hard time with something specific. I have both a brest friend and a boppy. I think in the end I preferred the boppy more because the brest friend isn't exactly the same on both sides which is kind of weird. I ended up using a pillow with the brest friend a lot, but DS was really small so that could have been part of it.

One of my main recs is to get a swing with an AC adapter so you don't go broke on batteries

I know not everyone wants/likes the swing, but DS loved it, so we did in turn

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LiteraChick said:

Holy. Shit.

I am on Amazon and BabiesRUs adding some more items in preparation for my 2 upcoming showers. As a FTM I have never been more intimidated by the selection of swings, cradles and bouncers - wth is the difference! MY MIND IS BLOWN AT ALL OF THE CHOICES! I need a STM GF stat to just hold my hand through this.

Anyone else having this issue?

My only advice on the swing if you get one is to get one that can be both battery-operated and plugged in if you can. That way if power goes out, you have the battery back-up or if the battery dies in the middle of the night you don't have to fumble around to change it if you happen to be having a night where LO won't sleep anywhere else.

runrinserepeat · March 2014

@amlonica please read what ghost said, she's spot on. There's nothing wrong with a drink or two while you're nursing as long as you're smart about it.

mrscurlygurl · March 2014

Yep...thanks @ghostof5letters, you said it a lot more eloquently than I was going to

ghostof5letters · March 2014

mrscurlygurl said:

Yep...thanks @ghostof5letters, you said it a lot more eloquently than I was going to

The only time you can label me eloquent is when I copy and paste

dobbyisfree · March 2014

Thanks thats why i asked. I was lead to believe she was out at a bar... which is ridiculous. (And my uncles really are alcoholics) Thanks for clarification!

TallMomma29 · March 2014

Thanks for the info @ghostof5letters‌! I had already figured out the 2 hour wait part, but I hadn't even thought about the potential effect on milk production if I have more than 1 or 2 per week! I was a glass of wine (or two) virtually every night kind of girl pre pregnancy!

emineminem · March 2014

Ohhh yes I can't wait to indulge in a nice chocolatey stout post pregnancy!

Also, I got the snugamonkey cradle'n'swing back when target was having their crazy clearance sale (scored it for $65!) so again, going for convenience rather than hella research. I did look at the reviews and comparables before I took the plunge, but for 70% off that swing was just gonna be mine haha. Ditto my snugamonkey RNP and my graco jogging stroller lol. Impulse buys, yo!

helloblueeyes · March 2014

OMG you guys, why the hell did I think walking all around downtown San Fran would be a good idea at almost 24 weeks?!?

I am so sore, my pelvis feels like its going to split in two. And my MIL wants to more walking today. Ug.

I am going to need a vacation to rest up from my vacation.

On the plus side, my MIL bought these for the baby. I don't really get the point of baby shoes but they are the tiniest, most adorable baby Toms.

mrscurlygurl · March 2014

Those are adorable @helloblueeyes!

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beff12 · March 2014

@tourqeyes‌, don't you live in Charlotte? I thought I remembered you saying that at one point - I was there this weekend for a conference at the convention center. I respect people that live near a big city and have to deal with all that traffic...I was about to have a meltdown on I-77 near Lake Norman!

zellatrix · March 2014

@LiteraChick, this is the swing I am getting. https://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Power-SpaceSaver-Cradle-Swing/dp/B00F2MQ82K/ref=br_it_dp_o_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2E18L52WFPH26&coliid=I1QBJ2H2PGJ8KC

It is smaller that most, plugs in, swing front and back and side to side, and is movable. It's still really new so there aren't many reviews out there for it.

zellatrix · March 2014

I burned my finger on microwaved pop tart lava, because I am 12 years old apparently. I looked up home remedies, and put honey and gauze on it. It's actually working, but it's a real bitch to type right now.

MonkeyJD · March 2014

Why on earth does my FIL think they need to purchase a car seat for their vehicle??? I mean if you want to throw money away on one I can't stop you but I can almost guarantee that it will never get used.

zellatrix · March 2014

MonkeyJD said:

Why on earth does my FIL think they need to purchase a car seat for their vehicle??? I mean if you want to throw money away on one I can't stop you but I can almost guarantee that it will never get used.

You may be thankful for that later. My son spends time with my grandparents a lot and transferring the car seat is SUCH a pain in the ass.

purpleXdandelion · March 2014

A lady is looking at my car in an hour. I realllly hope it sells because I need a AWD vehicle for our cruddy MN winters AND something bigger for 2 car seats. I'm nervous about the whole buying/selling interaction though. Just cuz I hate dealing with people.

MonkeyJD · March 2014

@zarkarella‌ I'm mostly thinking in the first year when are they going to be taking our son somewhere that I'm not also going? I still don't think they've fully realized how things will be different with this baby than how they were with my niece (BIL is a single dad & was active duty Navy when she was small so they helped raise her).

zellatrix · March 2014

MonkeyJD said:

@zarkarella‌ I'm mostly thinking in the first year when are they going to be taking our son somewhere that I'm not also going? I still don't think they've fully realized how things will be different with this baby than how they were with my niece (BIL is a single dad & was active duty Navy when she was small so they helped raise her).

Yeah, our son is 6 and spends weeks at a time with his grandparents. He was a year old I think before he spent more than a day with them.

tourqeyes · March 2014

MonkeyJD said:
@zarkarella‌ I'm mostly thinking in the first year when are they going to be taking our son somewhere that I'm not also going? I still don't think they've fully realized how things will be different with this baby than how they were with my niece (BIL is a single dad & was active duty Navy when she was small so they helped raise her).

Shoot, id take this as an invitation for lots of free babysitting and them signing up for one overnight weekend a month!!!

I think a base would have been more practical. I wonder why they feel like they need their own car seat.

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MonkeyJD said:

Why on earth does my FIL think they need to purchase a car seat for their vehicle??? I mean if you want to throw money away on one I can't stop you but I can almost guarantee that it will never get used.

Is it an infant seat or the convertible? The convertible you can use for a few years so it may come in handy later on even if you don't plan on them taking the baby for awhile. We even use my mom's spare seat when we travel on planes so that we don't risk our own getting damaged.

jnnfrrose6 · March 2014

I don't ever go to McDonalds. I prefer Wendy's if I'm going that route, but twice in the last 2-3 weeks I have attempted to go to 2 different locations for an Oreo mcflurry. Both times I was told their ice cream machine was down. WTH?!? I gave the first place a pass because it was still the morning and maybe that's the line the run before they get the machine going, but 2 in the afternoon at a totally different location and the same thing? I think that may be the last time I ever attempt to get anything from McDs. Thank goodness for Dairy Queen close to home. Had an Oreo blizzard instead and I'm sure it was 1000x better than what I would have gotten.

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hopalong1015 said:

I'm not sure if any of you guys have heard this, but I was out with a friend today (who has a 3 yr old and another on the way), and she mentioned that eggplant can send you into labor - not that we need that right now. Has anyone heard this before?

I think there's a legend about eggplant parm from a restaurant that put a lot of women in labor but I don't think eggplant itself does. If anything, the spices in it help but I don't think it's something that would send you into labor at any time if your body isn't ready, just like any of the other stuff they suggest (spicy foods, sex, walking, etc). I could be wrong but if eggplant itself was an issue I think it would be on the do not eat list.

dobbyisfree · March 2014

Sorry if I was a douche canoe earlier - i really thought the woman was out at a bar binge drinking. I knew one of you guys would be far better informed on her situation than me haha. That and the fact that all the people on the post were claiming since Grandma drank and smoked while pregnant with them and none of them is obviously messed up, women should do as much of they want of both because obviously their family is conclusive evidence. They make me cranky.

MonkeyJD · March 2014

Didn't mean to appear to post & run...my Sunday afternoon nap was calling :-) My IL's are just really excited about this baby and sometimes get a little too enthusiastic for me. I usually just laugh & shake my head.

emineminem · March 2014

BPaws said:
Fraaaaak
I forgot to register for birth again. Again. I'm really failing at this STM thing. It's supposed to be done between 18 and 20 weeks. Oops. The registration is closed tomorrow.

You whaaaaaaa?! Are those dates standard? Am I really behind? :-/

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