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Bradley class timing and doula issues (long)

So, despite my best efforts to explain the role of a doula, DH is having a tough time with it emotionally.  He keeps saying, "we are not letting my parents in the delivery room, why would we let an additional stranger in the room?"  He also is completely convinced that they do the job he should be doing and that it means he is somehow inadequate in supporting me.  Totally not the case.  He is a rock star husband. He is, however beginning to come around to the idea.  This is because we are staying with our current practice, who are really great, however the hospital where they deliver is not known to be the best NB hospital around here.  We had planned to switch to the dr in town who is "they guy" everyone around here seems to go to for NB.  Many of my friends seem to prefer him over the hospital based midwives.  Unfortunately, we found out they don't take my insurance even though I double and triple checked that they did before officially choosing the plan.  DH sees slightly more value in hiring a doula now, since we will be at a place where more advocacy and having the support of a doula might be even more helpful.  He wants to hire whoever our Bradley instructor ends up being.  (I've spoken to two, and both do offer birth doula services) He also wants to wait to make the final decision after we start classes to see how much support he thinks we really need.  This would be fine, but have a couple concerns with waiting too long to hire.

1.) our first choice for the Bradley class is beginning in June and ending first week in September.  I'm due 9/19.  We prefer this class because it is in the summer when DH will be off work (teacher) and it is on Monday nights, and I don't work Mondays or Tuesdays, so it would be less chaotic.  Also, it would be easier to find a babysitter because we could hire a teenager to come to the house and they might be more available in the summers.  It's also very close, about 10-15 minutes away.  

2.) the other Bradley class is starting beginning of April.  It's about 25-30 minutes away and on Tuesday nights, so I would be getting home late and have to work the next morning.  One pro is that I have met this instructor in person already and liked her.  The class would be ending the end of June, leaving me with 2.5 months left.  I also went to a full 42 weeks last time and was induced with hardly any signs of anything starting on its own.  I know every pregnancy is different, but my instinct is that I am prone to long pregnancies like my mom who was 42-43 weeks with all 3 of her kids.  So my guess would be I would be finishing up this class a full 3 months before delivery.  This instructor does, however, allow former students to attend some of the classes in another session if they so choose.  So, we could probably get some refreshers closer to delivery.

My concern is that if we take the June class, it will be late in the game when DH decides finally if he's comfortable with a doula.  I think a Bradley instructor is a good choice for a doula, however, I have met a few other doulas that I think would be great also, and have more experience with my OB practice.  I just want to keep an open mind.  I worry that waiting might limit our options for doulas that would be the best fit simply because they could be booked up.  

I'd really like DH to go to the meet the doulas event coming up because then he could meet some of them and just get a sense for their personalities.  He however, is being a major grinch about that.  He hates meet ups like that and dislikes anything where he feels he is being sold something.  I've been to these things.  There is no pressure, but he has a very broad definition of sales pitches.  It's beyond aggravating!  

So, would you lean towards taking the summer Bradley class knowing that my options for a doula could be slightly more limited and just hope for the best?  Or, would you prefer taking the class on the early side leaving more time to hire a doula and hopefully have a bigger pool to choose from to ensure the best fit.  

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Re: Bradley class timing and doula issues (long)

  • Trying to ask this in a super-neutral way, so please take it that way. How are you sure your DH isn't right? I did a natural birth in a hospital where less than 2% of births are natural. With just my husband, who frankly sucked at being a support person. But my OB was very supportive and shut the (completely unsupportive) nurse down in about 5 words. They were "Don't mention an epidural again." Followed by: She doesn't want one, doesn't need one, and it's her choice. She will let you know if she changes her mind. So maybe your husband is right. If he's a good support person, willing to do Bradley, and you have a supportive OB, maybe he would rather this be an intimate experience the two of you go through together alone. I would give it some thought, at least.
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  • Just a couple of thoughts. Many doulas book up early as they only take 1-2 clients a month. Waiting to pick a doula will severely limit your choices and may leave you stuck. I started asking around at 14-16 weeks and of the 5 doulas I was interested in only 2 were available (2 of the others already had clients and one had a vacation planned). To get the doula you want it is best to pick one earlier than later.
    As for the class options I think #2 is best. Even though you were 42+ and induced last time that is no indication that you will be the same this time. I expected to go to 41w with my first as that is the average for a FTM. I went into labor on my own at 39w4d. I think getting the classes started and having some time at the end is the way I would go.

    My H felt the way yours did in the beginning when I first brought up a doula. He did not like the idea of an unknown person in the room. However, we meet and spoke with 2 of them and they made him see how they were there to help him help me. They were not going to overstep him and would stay in the background until he or I needed them. A good doula will respect your H and work with him to help you.

    In my labor our doula was a life saver. We took the Bradley classes and were prepared for the normal but labor is unpredictable. I felt the urge to push when I was only 8.5 cm. I was terrified and the nurse had me fight the urge to push. My H and no idea what to do. My doula talked me through contractions and helped me not push. She knew what I was feeling and how to breathe/position myself better to resist the pushing. I also freaked out when pushing LO. She had a nuchal hand and I felt like I was being ripped open. I was terrified and frantic. My H zoned out and my doula had to step in and calm me down. My H to this day attributes our birth to her and how important she was. He was really glad we had her there to help. I suggest getting your H to meet with the doulas (as much as he does not want to). Meeting with them really helped get my H on board.
  • MommyAtty said:
    Trying to ask this in a super-neutral way, so please take it that way. How are you sure your DH isn't right? I did a natural birth in a hospital where less than 2% of births are natural. With just my husband, who frankly sucked at being a support person. But my OB was very supportive and shut the (completely unsupportive) nurse down in about 5 words. They were "Don't mention an epidural again." Followed by: She doesn't want one, doesn't need one, and it's her choice. She will let you know if she changes her mind. So maybe your husband is right. If he's a good support person, willing to do Bradley, and you have a supportive OB, maybe he would rather this be an intimate experience the two of you go through together alone. I would give it some thought, at least.

    MommyAtty said:
    Trying to ask this in a super-neutral way, so please take it that way. How are you sure your DH isn't right? I did a natural birth in a hospital where less than 2% of births are natural. With just my husband, who frankly sucked at being a support person. But my OB was very supportive and shut the (completely unsupportive) nurse down in about 5 words. They were "Don't mention an epidural again." Followed by: She doesn't want one, doesn't need one, and it's her choice. She will let you know if she changes her mind. So maybe your husband is right. If he's a good support person, willing to do Bradley, and you have a supportive OB, maybe he would rather this be an intimate experience the two of you go through together alone. I would give it some thought, at least.


    No offense taken! I think a doula would just be a really good additional support and I think DH could use some support too. There's a few other reasons I want one that I didn't mention. DH doesn't drive, so my ideal scenario would be a doula with us during esrly labor to help us decide when it's time to go to the hospital and hopefully drive us. DH wants his parents to drive us. They however, behaved really terribly last time when I went to the hospital and I don't want to deal with that again. It's definitely been a source of stress for us to talk about so we've been tabling the discussion for a bit.  Also, my OB practice says they are supportive and I think they do a lot of things really well, but I don't think they will go out of their way to support it, like yours did!  (Awesome!) I just think a doula would be helpful to talk through potential questions we might have when deciding if an intervention of some sort was necessary.  DH could be right, but we have a lot of good choices around here for doulas and I feel,like it makes sense to take advantage of those resources.  
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  • I would definitely recommend hiring a doula, and looking around as soon as possible to find one who is a good fit for you and DH. The sooner you look, the more likely it will be that you can find someone who DH feels comfortable with. Do have any friends or family who have used a doula? I have yet to find a dad who regrets the decision to have a doula present, so maybe if you could find some "dad testimonials" that would help him see the light. I had a doula at my birth (unmedicated, hospital) and she made all the difference, even though I had a very supportive DH there too. Think of the doula like the "choreographer" and you and DH are the labor dancers - she will help him help you as much as possible. It can be very hard for dads to effectively coach a sport they have never played before :)

    Here are a couple little articles about dads and doulas that might interest you/him:

    For the Bradley class timing, I don't think it is going to make much difference, honestly, but I would probably pick the later one so it will be "fresher" in your mind, and you will be more in "birth mode" by that point. Best of luck!
  • If it would mean keeping my in laws out of the way, I would hire a doula, a security guard, a limo driver, and a linebacker for blocking and tackling. :) And I like my in laws. Lol.
  • I've showed him those same articles! It's driving me nuts. He just really doesn't get it. I'm really going to try to get him to go to the meet the doulas thing. It's right next door to our favorite breakfast place and is an easy walk from our house (just got back actually and managed with a stroller in the snow, its that close!) @mommyatty, I like my inlaws too! I feel the exact same as you! Based on their behavior last time, I could use all of those things you mentioned!
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  • At this point, I would probably play the- "I am having this baby, not you, and this is what's important to me for my birth" -card! GL!
  • You may have mentioned this but I'm assuming this is your first NB. I will tell you what my experience has been and hope it helps in some way. My wonderful husband was totally skeptical of having a doula and even more so When we discussed paying for a class by them. His thought was if they're going to teach us what to do, why do we need them there during the process. He also thought they would take over his role.
    Deep inside I knew that I wanted the classes & our doula group & would do whatever it took to save the money b/c it is a heavety investment out of pocket.

    My husband and I talked a lot about it, some great conversations and other heated debates. He also didn't understand the value of the investment at 1st. It wasn't until after meeting them and hearing what they do and how they do it that he was more convinced and understood why it was so important to me after some less heated discussion. He did enjoy the class with our doulas, which also gave us an opportunity to get to know them better. I was around 27 or 30 weeks when the 6 week class began. It was nice to have it then.

    I had our daughter last TR and we could not have done it without our doula. This was our first birth experience and would not change a thing. My husband reflected on our experience and said , when u think u know something about NB u don't and that's why u get a doula. He also thinks that now that we've done it maybe next time it could just be us. I would still prefer to have them. ; ).
    Our hospital is very NB friendly, however, she was able to advocate for us when it came to monitoring so I could move around. B/C of her experience she was able to anticipate our needs that we didn't event know existed. She was also able to provide relief through non-pharmalogical techniques and continued to keep me focus when the times got tough. B/C she was not a family member she could be objective and our hospital staff knows her doula group well. So she is respected as a birth educator and support for parents, which is also easier to take suggestions from if we're being honest.

    My suggestion to you is discuss this with your H at a time that is not stressful. Consider letting him know u would like to talk about it and set aside some time or a date night. I'm sure ur H wants the best for u and this birth. Tell him that you would like to fully understand his concerns and also why it's so important to u. This will u give u both an opportunity to discuss what is important to u about this birth that is different or the same as ur precious birth. I would also discuss the importance of building your L&D team for the success of your NB. While u can do it with just ur husband, having a doula really enhances the experience that we had. I was able to receive the warmth, touch, and support of my H, while I focusing on the voice of my doula when we didn't know what to do or expect in the process. Having a doula also took pressure off my H. It allowed him to be in the process yet not panic when he didn't know What to do. Maybe even ask to speak to other dads within ur doula practice that would be willing to share with ur H. If he knows how important it is to you, he may be willing to listen more than u think but it's also crucial to share both ur concerns, fears and desires for this birth. Remember to discuss where u feel ur family fits into this process if any before, during and after. where can they be moat helpful? You know what u need to be successful. I do agree that hiring a doula after discussion with ur H is priority as they book quickly.

    Sorry for the long post. I hope this is helpful. Good luck!
  • Very helpful! Thanks @ladyburd! This is my first NB. My first was a planned epidural. He really does want to support me. I think I will try to really tell him it would mean a lot to me if he tried going to this meet the doulas event on the 21st. It will only last an hour or so.

    He is starting to come around d to the idea, I just have a hard time thinking of waiting till the summer to decide for sure.  The June class would just fit sooooo much better in my schedule, that I hate to take it at a time that will just create more chaos for our already busy lives.  

    I do have to giggle at him when he says he won't need a break during my labor.  I'm like "ummmm, you've been falling asleep on the couch by 8pm."  Lol. Today I had to wake him up just to eat dinner.  
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  • Thanks @dearfoam! We are on the same BMB! The one thing that DH is really excited about is Bradley classes. He actually wanted me to find one longer than 12 weeks. Lol. I told him that didnt exist. I think the theory of Bradley with really equipping the partner really resonates with him. I will probably study up on some things like hypnobirthing or birthing from within also. But, DH is a lot less crunchy than I am so I don't think he'd get on board as easily with other stuff.

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  • I've read Ina mays book also! Just the birth stories so far and skimmed other parts. I really like Childbirth the Bradley way (or something like that) too. It's got great info and is an easy read. I've been reading a lot of this since before I even got pregnant, but am sure that I will come back to it frequently. I'm sure a lot of the NB techniques do overlap. Your doula class sounds great!
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