~~~~UO Thursday~~~~

blue+skies · February 2014

@wrightpalomo - I know...I thought about wording it differently to get more action going, but I don't feel like I'm "known" well enough around here to get away with it! Honestly, I really keep my nose out of others people's business and don't care what they do as long as it keeps them happy (or in some cases, just sane).

Is it just me or does the board seem kinda quiet lately??

bear1215 · February 2014

zoeygirl1105 said:
I think couples should live together before getting married.

Couldn't agree more. It would probably solve a lot of the divorce rates we have.

Pearl1982 · February 2014

Ziongirl77 said:

Pearl1982 said:

I have a hard time believing you're not homophobic if you believe homosexuality is a sin.

I'll bite on this one. I believe homosexuality is a sin but I'm not homophobic. I'm not afraid of homosexuals - I don't have a phobia against them. But I believe it is a sin like many others - lying, cheating, stealing, murder, adultery, etc., etc. I don't know why it gets blown up so much more than anything else. I had sex before marriage - that's a sin too. It's called fornication. And I support people having views that are different than mine. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. But just because I think homosexuality is a sin doesn't make me a crazed lunatic trying to rob people of their lifestyle or beat them over the head with the Bible. Just because I don't agree with someone's lifestyle, I can still love them. Just like I'd hope that if someone didn't agree with my lifestyle, they could still love me. I just ask that people respect how I feel, I'll respect how you feel, and we can have a great dialogue.

You are lumping in gay people with murderers. You don't see how that is hateful and exactly the opposite of respectful?

Pearl1982 · February 2014

Ziongirl77 said:

@Pearl1982 - What the hell?? I'm lumping in gay people with murderers? OK. Wow. If that's what you read. That's crazy. I guess I'm lumping myself in with murderers because I lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate. Cmon...stop. I know we all want the board to spice up. But...not cool. I'm not hateful and I don't believe gay people are linked in any way to murder.

I don't know why it has to be portrayed that because I am a Christian I am in some way hateful or disrespectful.

DIdn't you say you believe homosexuality is a sin, like murder, cheating, adultery, etc? And, I don't make the blanket statements that Christians are hateful. I am an Athiest who was raised Catholic. While the church clearly was not for me, I do not believe that all Christians hate gay people. But, if you call it a sin, that sounds pretty hateful to me.

trebekastan · February 2014

Pearl1982 said:

Ziongirl77 said:

@Pearl1982 - What the hell?? I'm lumping in gay people with murderers? OK. Wow. If that's what you read. That's crazy. I guess I'm lumping myself in with murderers because I lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate. Cmon...stop. I know we all want the board to spice up. But...not cool. I'm not hateful and I don't believe gay people are linked in any way to murder.

I don't know why it has to be portrayed that because I am a Christian I am in some way hateful or disrespectful.

DIdn't you say you believe homosexuality is a sin, like murder, cheating, adultery, etc? And, I don't make the blanket statements that Christians are hateful. I am an Athiest who was raised Catholic. While the church clearly was not for me, I do not believe that all Christians hate gay people. But, if you call it a sin, that sounds pretty hateful to me.

I really hate this. To say that something is a sin is not hateful. It is a fact of the religion that many people follow. It is one of MANY sins. If I say that not covering your head is a sin, am I being hateful towards everyone that doesn't. No. It's just that when I look at my own life, I would choose not to do certain things because I consider them to be against my beliefs. I do not project any of those beliefs outward. I do believe homosexuality is a sin, for myself. It is not my job to push that belief onto anyone else when I think of them as a person. I do believe they should be able to marry, because we have separation of church and state. However, on the long list of things in my life whether people are gay or not is not on my radar. I would rather do good in the world than preach hate. I have actually pulled over at Planned Parenthood to yell at the protesters, not because I agree with abortion, because I don't. But to tell them that they should be ashamed that this is how they spend their time, instead of volunteering at a women's shelter or helping the disadvantaged.

edited for spelling

dal2aus · February 2014

kateitho said:

MermaidsMagic said:

Love You Forever is a creepy fucking book. His mom drive across town in the middle of the night, climbs a ladder into his room and rocks his grown ass??? Can you imagine your horror if you woke up to you MIL rocking you DH? I bet this dude has such bad mommy issues and no one will ever be able to compare to her. Love You Forever is a prequel to the Bates Hotel.
This book is actually in honor of the author's and his wife's two still births. When you look at it in that light, it is a lot less creepy, and a whole lot more gut wrenching.

Edit to include reference link: https://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/09192013-the-sad-story-behind-i-love-you-forever/

Dammit, why, why, why did I click on that link? Hopefully, none of my coworkers heard me sniffle. (

JulyMomma2U2 · February 2014

shimmer475 said:

Well just because this UO thread is kinda lame today...I'll try to spice it up a little... In regards to having kids out of wedlock. I understand "oops" babies happen (I had sex before marriage so it could've happened to me), and I also fully agree with parents not staying together if it is an unhealthy, unhappy, and/or loveless relationship (not good for the kids or parents). Call me old school, but I don't understand why people chose to have children out of wedlock. I know there are a million situations out there that probably make sense, but I just feel like kids are much more binding then a marriage. SIL just had this conversation with her parents and I, that her and her BF would like kids soon but don't feel like marriage is important, and none of us understood her theory. I do think marriage is important. And not even for religious reasons. I just think it is an important commitment to one another. And everyone says it doesn't change a thing, but really it does. DH and I owned a house together and lived together before we were married, but our first year was actually still tough, I can't imagine having kids thrown in the mix. Now just to clarify, I don't judge people for it, I guess I really just don't understand why marriage isn't seen as important to some people, religious or not. To each their own!
DH and I were living together less then a year after we started dating. We were together almost 6 years before getting married. For us marriage didn't change a thing except we wear some rings and I have a new last name. We love each other just as much before we got married as we do now, for us life went on exactly the same. I like being married but it didn't change anything and I totally understand why some people choose to not get married.

I was in the same boat.. DH and I lived together for 3 years before getting married.. when I found out I was pregnant with my 2nd loss baby, we decided to go ahead and get married so our families weren't upset by us having kids out of wedlock.. we knew we were going to marry anyway, eventually, we just hadn't done it yet.. I can totally see why some people don't get married, though.. nothing changed for us.. except my last name, and the drastic reduction in the amount I get back for my income taxes!! Aside from that, because we had been living together already, there really was nothing different.. now, adding children to the mix.. that's a whole new level of complexity!

blue+skies · February 2014

Saying if you think homosexuality is a sin then you must be homophobic is a little extreme. My personal religious views are more or less agnostic - so I just try to be a good person in general and if there is a judge someday, then they can judge. No need for me to judge.

However, my dad was raised in a large, very catholic family, and most of his siblings are still very catholic (very, as in some don't like the new pope because he's not conservative enough). One of his siblings came out as gay many years ago, and that hasn't phased any of his siblings. They are all very accepting of her, and welcoming to the partners she has had over the years. And most of them still believe it is a sin. I don't know how they rationalize it in their heads, but none of them are remotely homophobic, nor judgmental.

LovelyLou23 · February 2014

yurizaba said:

Ziongirl77 said:

Pearl1982 said:

I have a hard time believing you're not homophobic if you believe homosexuality is a sin.

I'll bite on this one. I believe homosexuality is a sin but I'm not homophobic. I'm not afraid of homosexuals - I don't have a phobia against them. But I believe it is a sin like many others - lying, cheating, stealing, murder, adultery, etc., etc. I don't know why it gets blown up so much more than anything else. I had sex before marriage - that's a sin too. It's called fornication. And I support people having views that are different than mine. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. But just because I think homosexuality is a sin doesn't make me a crazed lunatic trying to rob people of their lifestyle or beat them over the head with the Bible. Just because I don't agree with someone's lifestyle, I can still love them. Just like I'd hope that if someone didn't agree with my lifestyle, they could still love me. I just ask that people respect how I feel, I'll respect how you feel, and we can have a great dialogue.

I'm sorry, but I believe that tagging someone as "sinful" for what people don't agree is wrong. The Bible says that homosexuality it's an abomination, and it says the same for eating shrimp, using polyester and combining dairy products with meat!

Why do we pick and chose? I would like to see christians kicking off as much for the people that eat pepperoni pizza as for the people who's gay!

The main reason for spirituality, is not to judge who is right or wrong, is to find what bind us together and what makes you grow as a human being. Is to find the love that we all share.

First bold: It's called reading in context. So many people are so quick to take one verse and run with it, but it's incredibly important to read the Bible not only in context of what the other verses around it say, but the time period of when it was written and how society was back then.

Second bold: Those might be your reasons for your spirituality, but those are not reasons/building blocks of Christianity.

@ziongirl77- I'm totally with you and practically everything you said was going to be my response had you not written it.

@Pearl1982 - Calling something a sin is not hateful. At least that should never be the intent of anyone saying it. Because the Bible makes it loud and clear that ALL people are sinners. Noone is discluded from that. That is why Jesus and what He did on the cross is the foundation of our faith.

trebekastan · February 2014

bear1215 said:

I think couples should live together before getting married.
Couldn't agree more. It would probably solve a lot of the divorce rates we have.

It's actually the opposite. People who live together before marriage with no commitment have a 15% (give or take) high divorce rate than those that waited to get married or were engaged when they moved in together.

JSS1002 · February 2014

bear1215 said:

I think couples should live together before getting married.
Couldn't agree more. It would probably solve a lot of the divorce rates we have.

I don't actually think it matters either way... I was with my ex for 5 years and we lived togehter for 4 and I hate him and hope I never see him again as long as I live (we never got engaged or married), and because of my experience in "building a life" with somebody before marriage, only to be totally devastated, I vowed that i was never living wih anybody again unless I had a ring on my finger. Wasn't interested in changing my life up that much for somebody without a commitment.

So the day that DH and I got home from our honeymoon, at ages 34 and 35 respectively, we started packing up my little house and I moved into his.

We also each owned our own houses, which made it more complicated to move in together outside of engagement / marriage. Then we found a renter for mine, I moved into his; ultimately we sold both and built our current home together, but living together before was totally a non-issue and not something we needed to do.

AccioPizza · February 2014

My take on the marriage thing -- I don't necessarily understand why couples who are deeply committed to each other and decide intentionally to have a family don't get married, just from a practical viewpoint. There's a lot of automatic rights that come from being married -- inheritance, ability to make medical decisions, social security, etc. That's one reason why same-sex couples are fighting so hard for those rights. Obviously some of this can be solved by estate planning and such, but that makes not being married more of a hassle, it seems like.

Obviously I don't think every oops baby should lead to a wedding, and I'm not trying to judge anyone who chooses not to get married because they just don't want to. Doesn't affect me at all. I just don't get it when a couple is clearly committed, since children are a WAY bigger commitment than a piece of paper. And it costs next to nothing to run down to the courthouse one day ... Though obviously the same can't be said of having a big wedding!

trebekastan · February 2014

AccioPizza said:

My take on the marriage thing -- I don't necessarily understand why couples who are deeply committed to each other and decide intentionally to have a family don't get married, just from a practical viewpoint. There's a lot of automatic rights that come from being married -- inheritance, ability to make medical decisions, social security, etc. That's one reason why same-sex couples are fighting so hard for those rights. Obviously some of this can be solved by estate planning and such, but that makes not being married more of a hassle, it seems like. Obviously I don't think every oops baby should lead to a wedding, and I'm not trying to judge anyone who chooses not to get married because they just don't want to. Doesn't affect me at all. I just don't get it when a couple is clearly committed, since children are a WAY bigger commitment than a piece of paper. And it costs next to nothing to run down to the courthouse one day ... Though obviously the same can't be said of having a big wedding!

This, exactly.

mrsdanielleM2010 · February 2014

steelersgirl83 said:

Was lurking over at A14 and wow, just wow...
https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12273672/need-your-thoughts-on-telling-a-friend-about-the-baby/p1

A14 has a reputation as being... Trashy. I don't lurk there so I'm not sure why, but it's been said on the 1st Tri board a bunch. I wonder what our reputation is. Probably boring.

trebekastan · February 2014

steelersgirl83 said:

Was lurking over at A14 and wow, just wow...
https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12273672/need-your-thoughts-on-telling-a-friend-about-the-baby/p1

Barf!

kirstynikole · February 2014

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Just change the I'm to we're* for all of us S14 ... but yes, some days are a bit more boring than others. I can't for the life of me brainstorm a good UO today. damn.

bumpuser10199668 · February 2014

katieb32611 said:

MrsLaLaBug said:

Discrimination against people with tattoos is basically just as bad as racism. You treat a person unfairly based on looks, what’s the difference?
(And this is coming from a person who has no tattoos LOL!)

One is a choice... I don't get how they are comparable.

Because both are based on appearance and not a person's personality? I don't get how they AREN'T comparable?

Dying your hair, plucking your eyebrows, waxing, ear piercing, and shaving are all forms of body modification that are done by choice. Why not judge them?

seacatch · February 2014

carmstr4 said:

katieb32611 said:

MrsLaLaBug said:

Discrimination against people with tattoos is basically just as bad as racism. You treat a person unfairly based on looks, what’s the difference?
(And this is coming from a person who has no tattoos LOL!)

One is a choice... I don't get how they are comparable.

Because both are based on appearance and not a person's personality? I don't get how they AREN'T comparable?

Dying your hair, plucking your eyebrows, waxing, ear piercing, and shaving are all forms of body modification that are done by choice. Why not judge them?

Benign tattoos, no problem. I think it is harsh to judge someone about those. But I have seen people with gang tattoos, swastika, heil Hitler, and so on and sometimes in prominent places like the neck, face, arms, hands. Those i cant help but judge. I know people can change and maybe they are from a stupid time in their youth, but those are ugly symbols and words to have tattoos of.

And if someone shaved their head in one of these words or symbols, or had a piercing with it or whatever I would judge too.

bumpuser10199668 · February 2014

seacatch said:

carmstr4 said:

katieb32611 said:

MrsLaLaBug said:

Discrimination against people with tattoos is basically just as bad as racism. You treat a person unfairly based on looks, what’s the difference?
(And this is coming from a person who has no tattoos LOL!)

One is a choice... I don't get how they are comparable.

Because both are based on appearance and not a person's personality? I don't get how they AREN'T comparable?

Dying your hair, plucking your eyebrows, waxing, ear piercing, and shaving are all forms of body modification that are done by choice. Why not judge them?

Benign tattoos, no problem. I think it is harsh to judge someone about those. But I have seen people with gang tattoos, swastika, heil Hitler, and so on and sometimes in prominent places like the neck, face, arms, hands. Those i cant help but judge. I know people can change and maybe they are from a stupid time in their youth, but those are ugly symbols and words to have tattoos of.

And if someone shaved their head in one of these words or symbols, or had a piercing with it or whatever I would judge too.

I'm hesitant to say that that is totally different....but that's totally different lol. I would definitely judge. BUT it wouldn't be for the tattoos it would be for the mindset. I think lala was originially referring to the judgement of a person with tattoos period...like a butterfly on their wrist or a moonpie on their ass.

bumpuser10199668 · February 2014

crystalangel79 said:

carmstr4 said:

seacatch said:

carmstr4 said:

katieb32611 said:

MrsLaLaBug said:

Discrimination against people with tattoos is basically just
as bad as racism. You treat a person unfairly based on looks, what’s
the difference?
(And this is coming from a person who has no tattoos LOL!)

One is a choice... I don't get how they are comparable.

Because both are based on appearance and not a person's personality? I don't get how they AREN'T comparable?

Dying your hair, plucking your eyebrows, waxing, ear piercing, and shaving are all forms of body modification that are done by choice. Why not judge them?

Benign tattoos, no problem. I think it is harsh to judge someone about those. But I have seen people with gang tattoos, swastika, heil Hitler, and so on and sometimes in prominent places like the neck, face, arms, hands. Those i cant help but judge. I know people can change and maybe they are from a stupid time in their youth, but those are ugly symbols and words to have tattoos of.

And if someone shaved their head in one of these words or symbols, or had a piercing with it or whatever I would judge too.

I'm hesitant to say that that is totally different....but that's totally different lol. I would definitely judge. BUT it wouldn't be for the tattoos it would be for the mindset. I think lala was originially referring to the judgement of a person with tattoos period...like a butterfly on their wrist or a moonpie on their ass.

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(Wont quote right)

People judge on looks... Clothes, hygiene, tattoos, piercings, etc. It is just reality. Though One of the kindest, gentlest, most generous men I have ever known was tatted out. Former biker gang guy, gave his life to God and gave every spare moment to the church's homeless/hungry/outreach program. So no the stereotype even of rough tats is not always true but people judge based on looks. Is what it is.

I wouldn't put "tatted out" in the sane category as a swastika . My forearms both have large visible tattoos and I don't feel i am judged even at work in an elementary school in rural TN and I definitely don't think they think I'm rough.

LovelyLou23 · February 2014

MrsSparklebottom said:

yurizaba said:

The second bold, I'm not a christian, but my understanding is that Jesus said that the two golden rules were to "Love G-d above all things" and "Love your neighbour as you do yourself". It also says
"Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back." (Luke 6:36-38 RSV)

But maybe I've been reading it all wrong...

This is exactly what Jesus said. He also said that we must know Him in order to be with God. So yes, loving God and loving your neighbor are the building blocks for being a Christian, but you also have to accept that Jesus died for your sins and gave himself as a sacrifice so that you might live. You can profess to love God and do all the good works in the world and be an honestly wonderful person, but you won't be a Christian unless you are down with Jesus.

As far as my thoughts on homosexuality and the Christian faith (keep in mind that my thoughts on this are evolving very rapidly, and I've recently made some decisions about my own beliefs on this topic), regardless of what my beliefs are about what is a sin and what is not, ultimately a sin is something that is keeping us being with God. So for me, judging others is a sin because I am really, really bad about it. Jesus never once told me to make others follow the rules. He told me to love them. That means I need to love everyone. It's freaking hard, because it's pushing against a lot of things I grew up thinking were true, even through my adult years.

I want homosexuals (and everyone) to learn who Jesus really is and feel His love and the love of Christians. People can work their own sins with themselves and God. It's none of my business what sins others commit, because I have enough of my own to worry about.

Sorry, last night got really busy. But this is exactly what I was going to say. (Sparkle-you probably said it way better though!) Jesus and the work He did on the cross is the most basic building block of Christianity. His love for us, and therefore the love we extend to others, is built on top of that crucial point.

edit: to fix quote

salsy2012 · February 2014

MrsSparklebottom said:

cruelsound said:

mrsdanielleM2010 said:

steelersgirl83 said:

Was lurking over at A14 and wow, just wow...

https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12273672/need-your-thoughts-on-telling-a-friend-about-the-baby/p1
A14 has a reputation as being... Trashy. I don't lurk there so I'm not sure why, but it's been said on the 1st Tri board a bunch. I wonder what our reputation is. Probably boring.

Ok, I'll bite.

I'd like to know where this "trashy" reputation comes from, considering our board is like 90% unicorns and 10% nap time.

I think it was that one poster, ladyabigail? Was that you guys? She tarnished you forever.
L-)

Oh god...fucking ladyabagail.

bumpuser10199668 · February 2014

@cruelsound I didn't know boards had reputations. But now I'm cursing all you A14 for bumping UO on a Friday....THE HORRRRRROOOORRRR! (to which I am now contributing)

But seriously, I don't know where trashy came from, but I like to lurk ya'll every once in awhile.

mrsdanielleM2010 · February 2014

MrsSparklebottom said:

cruelsound said:

mrsdanielleM2010 said:

steelersgirl83 said:

Was lurking over at A14 and wow, just wow...

https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12273672/need-your-thoughts-on-telling-a-friend-about-the-baby/p1
A14 has a reputation as being... Trashy. I don't lurk there so I'm not sure why, but it's been said on the 1st Tri board a bunch. I wonder what our reputation is. Probably boring.

Ok, I'll bite.

I'd like to know where this "trashy" reputation comes from, considering our board is like 90% unicorns and 10% nap time.

I think it was that one poster, ladyabigail? Was that you guys? She tarnished you forever.
L-)

Oh god...fucking ladyabagail.

yup, she's who I remember as the cause of the rep. But like I said, I haven't lurked, so I make no judgments. I like when you all come play with us

Ncurry0428 · March 2014

Ziongirl77 said:

Pearl1982 said:

Ziongirl77 said:

@Pearl1982 - What the hell?? I'm lumping in gay people with murderers? OK. Wow. If that's what you read. That's crazy. I guess I'm lumping myself in with murderers because I lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate. Cmon...stop. I know we all want the board to spice up. But...not cool. I'm not hateful and I don't believe gay people are linked in any way to murder.

I don't know why it has to be portrayed that because I am a Christian I am in some way hateful or disrespectful.
DIdn't you say you believe homosexuality is a sin, like murder, cheating, adultery, etc? And, I don't make the blanket statements that Christians are hateful. I am an Athiest who was raised Catholic. While the church clearly was not for me, I do not believe that all Christians hate gay people. But, if you call it a sin, that sounds pretty hateful to me.

I didn't call it a sin. The Bible called it a sin. I believe in the Bible. Again, I apologize if that was how my statement was portrayed. That was not my intent.

Where does the bible call it a sin? Please don't say Sodom and Gomorrah because it is very controversial and not enough to support that statement.

LovelyLou23 · March 2014

yurizaba said:

MrsSparklebottom said:

yurizaba said:

The second bold, I'm not a christian, but my understanding is that Jesus said that the two golden rules were to "Love G-d above all things" and "Love your neighbour as you do yourself". It also says
"Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back." (Luke 6:36-38 RSV)

But maybe I've been reading it all wrong...

This is exactly what Jesus said. He also said that we must know Him in order to be with God. So yes, loving God and loving your neighbor are the building blocks for being a Christian, but you also have to accept that Jesus died for your sins and gave himself as a sacrifice so that you might live. You can profess to love God and do all the good works in the world and be an honestly wonderful person, but you won't be a Christian unless you are down with Jesus.

As far as my thoughts on homosexuality and the Christian faith (keep in mind that my thoughts on this are evolving very rapidly, and I've recently made some decisions about my own beliefs on this topic), regardless of what my beliefs are about what is a sin and what is not, ultimately a sin is something that is keeping us being with God. So for me, judging others is a sin because I am really, really bad about it. Jesus never once told me to make others follow the rules. He told me to love them. That means I need to love everyone. It's freaking hard, because it's pushing against a lot of things I grew up thinking were true, even through my adult years.

I want homosexuals (and everyone) to learn who Jesus really is and feel His love and the love of Christians. People can work their own sins with themselves and God. It's none of my business what sins others commit, because I have enough of my own to worry about.

Sorry, last night got really busy. But this is exactly what I was going to say. (Sparkle-you probably said it way better though!) Jesus and the work He did on the cross is the most basic building block of Christianity. His love for us, and therefore the love we extend to others, is built on top of that crucial point.
edit: to fix quote
-------------------------------------------------- I don't doubt any of this, and I am happy you are using your faith to become a better person/closer to G-d. My main question is why should you label homosexuality a sin? Nowhere in the bible says it is, and it carries a label for loving people who just chose a different lifestyle . A label that many use as an excuse for hate and discrimination, and that puts you very far away from the behavior that Jesus tried to show on earth.

Many may use that as an excuse for hate, you are right. I am not one that falls into that category. I think you may be mis-understanding the ministry of Jesus. He did show love, yes. But his love was rooted in wanting people to live the right way and follow Him so that they would eventually live in heaven with Him someday. He loved, healed, and hung out with the lowliest of lows, but He also taught them.

I honestly hate throwing Scripture around to prove a point. But since you point blank asked, here is where I see that the Bible talks about homosexuality as something that separates man from God (i.e. SIN), (fyi, I'm reading the NIV)

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (so important to note here is verse 11--we don't have to live in wickedness/sin--if we are washed, aka believe Jesus died for our sins and commit our lives to HIm, then we will be able to go to Heaven)

Romans 1:18-32 (specific to homosexuality in vs 27, but reading it as a whole, you will see that it's talking about wickedness and separation from God, which again, is better known as sin.)

Ok, one more thing and then I'll be done.

What's such a shame about this homosexuality debate is that so many "Christians" see this is as such a "worse" sin than others. I just want to make it clear that that is completely unbiblical. All sin separates us from God, and all sin must be forgiven before a person can enter Heaven. And that is the root of Christians that say that homosexuality is a sin, but that they still LOVE them as a person.

Follow me on this, if you will. Let's say you caught your child stealing (pretty sure that's a universal wrong, am I right?). Of course you love your child. That love will never stop. BUT, out of your love for them and your desire for them to do good and stay out of jail, you discipline them when you find out they stole, because that was wrong. You want to teach them right, even if that might be a little painful for them in the present moment.

So many people want to only focus on God's love, but they leave out the part that sometimes love includes discipline, and some short-lived unpleasantness (is that a word? haha) so that in the long run, we might live in eternity with Him.

bumpuser10199668 · March 2014

@LovelyLou23

While I appreciate you acknowledging all sins being equal, the idea that all sins must be forgiven before entering heaven is where my mind sticks.

Will you pray for forgiveness each time you wear a polyester blend? Will your husband repent each morning he shaves? If you truly believe each of these things are equal sins, isn't continuing to do them something you should be working on?

Yes all sins are equal but how can you repent if you don't believe it is wrong? Isn't that lying to god? So if we eat our pig and wear our mixed materials and shave and live in our house while on our periods, and we never give it a second thought , why ask homosexuals to repent for their "sin"?

LovelyLou23 · March 2014

carmstr4 said:

@LovelyLou23 While I appreciate you acknowledging all sins being equal, the idea that all sins must be forgiven before entering heaven is where my mind sticks. Will you pray for forgiveness each time you wear a polyester blend? Will your husband repent each morning he shaves? If you truly believe each of these things are equal sins, isn't continuing to do them something you should be working on? Yes all sins are equal but how can you repent if you don't believe it is wrong? Isn't that lying to god? So if we eat our pig and wear our mixed materials and shave and live in our house while on our periods, and we never give it a second thought , why ask homosexuals to repent for their "sin"?

@carmstr4 - All that you mentioned were sins under old testament law, which we are no longer bound to. Homosexuality, while mentioned in the OT, is also a sin categorized under new testament law as something God is not ok with.

bumpuser10199668 · March 2014

LovelyLou23 said:

carmstr4 said:

@LovelyLou23

While I appreciate you acknowledging all sins being equal, the idea that all sins must be forgiven before entering heaven is where my mind sticks.

Will you pray for forgiveness each time you wear a polyester blend? Will your husband repent each morning he shaves? If you truly believe each of these things are equal sins, isn't continuing to do them something you should be working on?

Yes all sins are equal but how can you repent if you don't believe it is wrong? Isn't that lying to god? So if we eat our pig and wear our mixed materials and shave and live in our house while on our periods, and we never give it a second thought , why ask homosexuals to repent for their "sin"?

@carmstr4 - All that you mentioned were sins under old testament law, which we are no longer bound to. Homosexuality, while mentioned in the OT, is also a sin categorized under new testament law as something God is not ok with.

First of all, the term Old Testament is offensive to some. Second of all, if you want to throw in New Testament sins I'll include:

Debate (hope you're repenting for uo)
Complaining (great for all is pregnant ladies)
Defiling the body (tattoos and ears pierced anyone?)
Frustrating your children
Enjoying the company of someone who is a sinner
Saying things just to make others laugh
Annnnd women cutting their hair

bumpuser10199668 · March 2014

crystalangel79 said:

carmstr4 said:

LovelyLou23 said:

carmstr4 said:

@LovelyLou23

While I appreciate you acknowledging all sins being equal, the idea that all sins must be forgiven before entering heaven is where my mind sticks.

Will you pray for forgiveness each time you wear a polyester blend? Will your husband repent each morning he shaves? If you truly believe each of these things are equal sins, isn't continuing to do them something you should be working on?

Yes all sins are equal but how can you repent if you don't believe it is wrong? Isn't that lying to god? So if we eat our pig and wear our mixed materials and shave and live in our house while on our periods, and we never give it a second thought , why ask homosexuals to repent for their "sin"?

@carmstr4 - All that you mentioned were sins under old testament law, which we are no longer bound to. Homosexuality, while mentioned in the OT, is also a sin categorized under new testament law as something God is not ok with.

First of all, the term Old Testament is offensive to some. Second of all, if you want to throw in New Testament sins I'll include:

Debate (hope you're repenting for uo)
Complaining (great for all is pregnant ladies)
Defiling the body (tattoos and ears pierced anyone?)
Frustrating your children
Enjoying the company of someone who is a sinner
Saying things just to make others laugh
Annnnd women cutting their hair

To Christians it is the Old Testament... Not offensive. It is our belief. It is a testament of the old Or former ways. The New testament is Christ's new laws. For The Jewish it is called the Torah which is slightly different. I reapect their faith by calling their text what they call it.

I said to some, not to you. Old Testament implies there is a newer testament which some faiths do not believe is the case

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