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  • Mamazon2014Mamazon2014 member
    edited February 2014
    I guess my UO on the toy gun issue is that I love Nerf guns and can't wait for LO to get old enough to have battles around the house with them, and once he is older, DH will probably get him a paintball gun and take him to the battleground to play with the boys.

    I don't like the realistic looking toy guns (that have the little orange cap on the end), but I also don't mind pellet guns at a certain age if you teach proper gun safety and do not allow them to be pointed at others or animals.

    I think it's all about teaching when things are appropriate and when things aren't.

     








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    Mamazon2014 said:
    I guess my UO on the toy gun issue is that I love Nerf guns and can't wait for LO to get old enough to have battles around the house with them, and once he is older, DH will probably get him a paintball gun and take him to the battleground to play with the boys. I don't like the realistic looking toy guns (that have the little orange cap on the end), but I also don't mind pellet guns at a certain age if you teach proper gun safety and do not allow them to be pointed at others or animals. I think it's all about teaching when things are appropriate and when things aren't.
    I cant wait for that either! Side note though: my grandpa already bought his first great grand child a beebee gun. This kid wont be getting it for a while and will definitely never be left unattended with it nor have access to it. I am not even sure when I will actually give this kid the toy. For now, I am allowing DH to have fun with it and treat it as if it is his own.

    I definitely think that kids will play cops and robbers and all those other games where "weapons" are involved. It just depends on how well their parents explain to them the use of guns in real life and their place in society (or whatever the parent thinks their place is).

    I grew up taking Taekwondo and consider that to need proper discussion on the correct uses of that learned skill and what isn't.

    I wish I had my own UO so I could fully play, but oh well.


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  • lauralou3x3lauralou3x3 member
    My UO. We live in an area with a lot of homeless people on every corner. That makes me sad. But what's worse is when I see them on the corner in the WINTER with dogs asking for money. I love my dog to death and would never want to leave his side, but why make your poor animal suffer. If you can't feed yourself, how are you going to feed your animal. I just don't think it's fair. I understand the companionship but give the poor dog a good home!
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    ykristos said:


    lauralou3x3 said:

    My UO. We live in an area with a lot of homeless people on every corner. That makes me sad. But what's worse is when I see them on the corner in the WINTER with dogs asking for money. I love my dog to death and would never want to leave his side, but why make your poor animal suffer. If you can't feed yourself, how are you going to feed your animal. I just don't think it's fair. I understand the companionship but give the poor dog a good home!


    Look, I have bottomless compassion for animals and my obsession with my own dog is intense, but you know what's worse than a dog on the corner in the WINTER? The person sitting next to them. If you are going to show such compassion for the animal, please at least extend the same level of to its' owner. I see many, many homeless people each day (and even work with a few), and while some are visibly emaciated, their dogs always appear to be well-fed. Why? Because all those homeless people with pets typically feed them before they feed themselves. It's all they have, it's all they care about, it's all that is keeping them connected to the world. We don't have a "homeless peoples' pets" social problem, we have a homeless people problem. Dogs can fend for themselves, and despite how much we've domesticated them, they're more equipped to deal with outdoor living than that human being they're with. It'd be great if every dog could have a home (though I think we can all agree --even in the age of doggie day care-- that a 'good home' is arbitrary), I'm way more concerned with the owner and his or her wellbeing. 


    Oh I completely have compassion for them. My hubby and I have helped many out. That's why I started off saying how sad I am for them. I hate seeing it. I just also hate seeing animals suffer with them. Breaks my heart.
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    Empireceo said:


    lauralou3x3 said:

    My UO. We live in an area with a lot of homeless people on every corner. That makes me sad. But what's worse is when I see them on the corner in the WINTER with dogs asking for money. I love my dog to death and would never want to leave his side, but why make your poor animal suffer. If you can't feed yourself, how are you going to feed your animal. I just don't think it's fair. I understand the companionship but give the poor dog a good home!




    I don't get this. How are they making the dog suffer? I'm pretty sure if they could provide consistent food and shelter for their companion, they would, probably before themselves.

    To me it's suffering when the animal is freezing cold and there are no blankets etc. I am a huge animal lover and it just makes me sad. Again, I have tons of compassion for homeless people, that's why I help them all the time. I completely agree that if they could provide they would. My fear is they can't.
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  • ykristosykristos member
    edited February 2014
    lauralou3x3 said:
    lauralou3x3 said:
    My UO. We live in an area with a lot of homeless people on every corner. That makes me sad. But what's worse is when I see them on the corner in the WINTER with dogs asking for money. I love my dog to death and would never want to leave his side, but why make your poor animal suffer. If you can't feed yourself, how are you going to feed your animal. I just don't think it's fair. I understand the companionship but give the poor dog a good home!

    I don't get this. How are they making the dog suffer? I'm pretty sure if they could provide consistent food and shelter for their companion, they would, probably before themselves.
    To me it's suffering when the animal is freezing cold and there are no blankets etc. I am a huge animal lover and it just makes me sad. Again, I have tons of compassion for homeless people, that's why I help them all the time. I completely agree that if they could provide they would. My fear is they can't.
    But, as kitchen noted above, what is the alternative for these pets? Not every dog gets a good home. If the dog isn't as stray, it either finds itself in a kill shelter or in a no-kill shelter... and then it gets adopted to a family where it primarily spends its' day alone (family is at work) or outside (which is not uncommon). I just think it's crazy to be all pearl-clutchy about the dogs of homeless people, when, in all honesty, is it that terrible of a life for a dog? It's not ideal, but I doubt most dogs have "ideal" lives? And again, I'm more worried about the human freezing (the human also doesn't have fur!). 

    Also, admittedly, I'm a little squicked out about the insinuation that it's really any of our business. The last thing homeless people need if someone telling them what they can and can't have, or taking away what little joy they may have in their life. Idk. I wouldn't go up to a person who had a home and let them know whether I believed they did or did not deserve to have a dog, so I wouldn't do that to a person without a home. 


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  • Mamazon2014Mamazon2014 member
    edited February 2014
    hfooter said:


    Mamazon2014 said:

    I guess my UO on the toy gun issue is that I love Nerf guns and can't wait for LO to get old enough to have battles around the house with them, and once he is older, DH will probably get him a paintball gun and take him to the battleground to play with the boys.

    I don't like the realistic looking toy guns (that have the little orange cap on the end), but I also don't mind pellet guns at a certain age if you teach proper gun safety and do not allow them to be pointed at others or animals.

    I think it's all about teaching when things are appropriate and when things aren't.

    I cant wait for that either! Side note though: my grandpa already bought his first great grand child a beebee gun. This kid wont be getting it for a while and will definitely never be left unattended with it nor have access to it. I am not even sure when I will actually give this kid the toy. For now, I am allowing DH to have fun with it and treat it as if it is his own.

    I definitely think that kids will play cops and robbers and all those other games where "weapons" are involved. It just depends on how well their parents explain to them the use of guns in real life and their place in society (or whatever the parent thinks their place is).

    I grew up taking Taekwondo and consider that to need proper discussion on the correct uses of that learned skill and what isn't.

    I wish I had my own UO so I could fully play, but oh well.



    My dad has a rifle that has been in our family for a few generations and he's already informed me that it's Mason's when he passes hunter's ed.

    My brothers and I all had BB guns when we were younger. They were kept locked with the other guns and we had to have an adult present while we used them. We graduated to .22s and then to our own preferred weapons when we started hunting.

    There was never any stigma about guns. We knew they were dangerous, we knew they weren't toys and we knew not to fool around or ever point one in a person's direction even when not loaded.

    That's awesome that you learned taekwondo! I think when taught properly, the martial arts are a brilliant way to teach control and discipline to children.

    Edited because I have no idea what the hell happened at the end of the post...


     








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  • sisterjanetsisterjanet member
    edited February 2014
    @Mimaloo Thanks for being so candid.  I was trying hard to not be rude in how I asked.  I just feel very not like other girls sometimes, especially with all the body hair talk lately, and was curious how much time would be involved.
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    kitchencolors said:
    @ykristos I figured I was the only heartless one here who was more worried about the human being out in the freezing cold. 

    Call me crazy, but if a random dog is taken to an animal shelter and put up for adoption, it doesn't actually have great odds of being adopted, right?  Admittedly I know nothing about dogs, so maybe I'm wrong.

    According to the humane society:
    "How many animals enter animal shelters each year? And how many are euthanized? The HSUS estimates that animal shelters care for 6-8 million dogs and cats every year in the United States, of whom approximately 3-4 million are euthanized. At this time, there is no central data reporting agency for animal shelters, so these numbers are estimates; however, the Asilomar Accords method is gaining momentum as a standard for more accurately tracking these numbers. Annual statistics for approximately 150 shelters across the country are posted at asilomaraccords.org. You can help us develop a more accurate picture of the problem by encouraging your local shelters to report their data. In the 1970s, American shelters euthanized 12-20 million dogs and cats, at a time when there were 67 million pets in homes. Today, shelters euthanize around 2.7 million animals, while there are more than 135 million dogs and cats in homes. This enormous decline in euthanasia numbers—from around 25 percent of American dogs and cats euthanized every year to about 3 percent—represents substantial progress. We will make still greater progress by working together to strike at the roots of animal overpopulation."
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    I think ALL baby shower related posts should be posted on the baby shower board.

    I would agree with this, except the Baby Shower Board is more like the "Etiquette Board" and those bitches scare me sometimes. I feel like the only posts over there that get any attention are the ones where someone is (a) too involved in their own shower, or (b) doing a diaper raffle, books instead of cards, having guest address their own thank yous, or something else they can flame them for. I don't think there's many people there who just want to discuss how to throw a great shower. 
    Meh.  I don't know about all of that.  I hang out over there, along with some other M14s, a lot- and I don't think I'm a scary etiquette bitch.  Do I tell people if something they're doing/asking/saying is rude? Definitely.  I just happen to love planning showers and jokingly call myself the Katherine Hiegl of baby showers (27 dresses = 27 showers.... not really 27.  You see where I'm going.)  There are a lot of ladies there who help people brainstorm great theme ideas, cute favors, find pins for unique food, etc....

    but it's rare that the people who post there are coming in as hosts to inquire about these things.  They're getting to the BSB via THE BUMP- a pregnancy/parenting website.  So many of them are the MTBs and are often planning their own showers.  They're often told it's tacky.

    Anyway, I guess that's my UO: I like the BSB! :O
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    ykristos said:


    lauralou3x3 said:

    Empireceo said:


    lauralou3x3 said:

    My UO. We live in an area with a lot of homeless people on every corner. That makes me sad. But what's worse is when I see them on the corner in the WINTER with dogs asking for money. I love my dog to death and would never want to leave his side, but why make your poor animal suffer. If you can't feed yourself, how are you going to feed your animal. I just don't think it's fair. I understand the companionship but give the poor dog a good home!




    I don't get this. How are they making the dog suffer? I'm pretty sure if they could provide consistent food and shelter for their companion, they would, probably before themselves.
    To me it's suffering when the animal is freezing cold and there are no blankets etc. I am a huge animal lover and it just makes me sad. Again, I have tons of compassion for homeless people, that's why I help them all the time. I completely agree that if they could provide they would. My fear is they can't.

    But, as kitchen noted above, what is the alternative for these pets? Not every dog gets a good home. If the dog isn't as stray, it either finds itself in a kill shelter or in a no-kill shelter... and then it gets adopted to a family where it primarily spends its' day alone (family is at work) or outside (which is not uncommon). I just think it's crazy to be all pearl-clutchy about the dogs of homeless people, when, in all honesty, is it that terrible of a life for a dog? It's not ideal, but I doubt most dogs have "ideal" lives? And again, I'm more worried about the human freezing (the human also doesn't have fur!). 

    I'll admit, I hadn't thought about alternatives for the dogs. I saw a bad situation today so that's why I brought it up. But if they can provide fully for them, great. I am completely worried about homeless people, if I weren't, I wouldn't help them like I do. Just yesterday I gave a homeless woman money at Costco. My UO wasn't to state that I care more about the dogs. It was simply that I care about the dog's well being.
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    Seriously @lauralou3x3??? I can't believe your mentality, it makes me furious. PP have explained it really well, but I will reiterate that
    a)the dog is better equipped than the person beside him, who
    b) probably takes better care of the dog than themself
    c) this is their companion, often only companion in their suffering,
    d) dogs are killed in shelters all the time.
    So much judgement and naivety.
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    kitchencolors said:
    ykristos said:
    kitchencolors said:
    My dog UO: I pretty much hate all dogs.
    So, when did you find out that you didn't have a soul? 

    P.S. I still think you're the bee's knees (if bees didn't have souls!). 
    When I was 2 my mom found me yelling "toopid dog, go away toopid dog" at a dog in our back yard from the back door.  So I guess I was born this way.

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  • TnpeachTnpeach member
    edited February 2014
    I laughed so hard, I think I peed a little. But then again, these days, it doesn't take much, does it? I just love watching that dog slap that dude. (Edit for spelling)
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    Roufi said:

    Seriously @lauralou3x3??? I can't believe your mentality, it makes me furious. PP have explained it really well, but I will reiterate that
    a)the dog is better equipped than the person beside him, who
    b) probably takes better care of the dog than themself
    c) this is their companion, often only companion in their suffering,
    d) dogs are killed in shelters all the time.
    So much judgement and naivety.

    I understand. But as I stated, I witnessed a bad situation at Walmart today that's why Mentioned this. I wasn't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. I'm not mean and heartless. I mentioned several times how I help homeless people often.
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    My UO, guns are not toys! In my house we don't buy DS toy guns and we don't pretend we are shooting. To me, guns are meant to be taken seriously and it's not ok to teach your kid that guns are a source of fun. Heaven forbid a child who plays with guns finds a real one and "pretends" to shoot someone, I just can't imagine. DH is a marine and is trained extensively on guns and gun safety. We own guns and they are in a locked safe and when the time comes we will teach him proper use and how serious they are. But for the time being, he is not being taught that guns are fun toys.

    My brother is a Marine and has two boys who independently play with each other with pretend guns to eliminate bad monsters and stuff. Also, being a Marine, he and his wife have made sure to keep any live guns locked and put away. They have also decided to teach gun safety (boys are 3 and 5) currently so that the understanding is there.

    Not to be snarky, but your husband being a marine isn't an excuse to keep boys from playing with their imagination. It's hindering. A toy gun, a stick, or fingers isn't going to make your child turn into a serial killer. It doesn't guarantee he/she will hurt someone. The lessons need to be taught and enforced...but let a kid be a kid.

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    1. My husband being a marine has nothing to do with my son's imagination and in no way is it hindering his imagination, that doesn't even make sense. The only reason I mentioned the marine thing was to clarify how he will teach him proper use.
    2. If not letting my kid pretend to shoot things is hindering his imagination, I'm not doing a good job as a mother. I'm quite certain he doesn't need to shoot things to be imaginative.
    3. No one can tell me that a 3 or 5 year old has the mental copacity to know not to play with a real gun when they play with toy guns just because their mom told them "it's only pretend". You can preach to them until your blue in the face, but if they go to a friends house and see one (because not everyone is responsible about storage), they may very well think it's a toy.
    4. My son has a gun already too. We bought it a couple weeks before he was born. He will learn how to use it properly and that it's not a game.
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    ErBear1010 said:

    I volunteer for a No Kill rescue shelter. I am with the cats but I do know that at any given time, there are at least 100 dogs there..and over 300 cats. I'm glad that they are there but they don't have one on one companions all the time. The homeless dogs, while I feel horrible for them AND the human with them, get a lot of love from that human. That is their companion who loves them so much that they want to be with them. And like a PP stated, these people probably take care of the dog first, then themselves. Just because a dog goes to a shelter, it doesn't mean they will be adopted. If they are older, they most likely won't. If they are a breed that people don't like or mixed, it's harder for them to be adopted. And they love their human no matter what. 

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    ErBear1010 said:
    I volunteer for a No Kill rescue shelter. I am with the cats but I do know that at any given time, there are at least 100 dogs there..and over 300 cats. I'm glad that they are there but they don't have one on one companions all the time. The homeless dogs, while I feel horrible for them AND the human with them, get a lot of love from that human. That is their companion who loves them so much that they want to be with them. And like a PP stated, these people probably take care of the dog first, then themselves. Just because a dog goes to a shelter, it doesn't mean they will be adopted. If they are older, they most likely won't. If they are a breed that people don't like or mixed, it's harder for them to be adopted. And they love their human no matter what. 
    Much respect for your volunteer work :)

    I used to work for a shelter like that.  It was a great place, and if I were ever in a situation where I couldn't keep my pets (God forbid) and had no one who could take them, I'd want them to go someplace like that.

    ...That said...

    Those places are unfortunately few and far between, and have limited resources.  Because we didn't put animals down for space, we unfortunately had to turn many away when we were full.  These got taken places like the county (high-kill) "shelter".  I've heard some real horror stories about how many cats and dogs that place put down, simply because they couldn't hold them all.  
    While I certainly feel for dogs living on the streets with homeless people, they're better off than those taken to pounds and killed.  And they're probably also better off than outright strays, in that they do have companionship, love, and a certain amount of protection.

    Anyway, moral of the story... if you want a dog, RESCUE!  Don't buy!
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    edited February 2014
    Since we're on the animal train, I guess my UO is I am pro-horse slaughter. However I think it can be done in a much better, more regulated manor. Tigers gotta eat too. Yo.

    ETA: I also think catch/fix/release programs for feral cats are fantastic.
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    This thread makes me feel better about feeding feral cats. We have a serious feral cat problem in my neighborhood. The homes are on 1 to 2 acres and on a Creek and many are heavily wooded. Everybody gives dh and I shit for feeding them (and sometimes some coons and possums, too) and not just taking them to animal control, but we have tried to take them to no kill shelters or rescues and can't get them in. So what are we supposed to do? Call animal control and let them die? We have even caught a couple and got them neutered or spayed and vaccinated. Of course, they usually end up disappearing (i.e. probably eaten by coyotes) shortly after we invest several hundred dollars in them. Yet another one ran in our house tonight. Luckily, we got him out.
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    Katemr1146 said:

    kitchencolors said:

    My dog UO: I pretty much hate all dogs.


    Me too! Especially big dogs. They're the worst. Sometimes the little ones are cute....but they all usually smell, and are dirty, and obnoxious. It grosses me out to no end when people don't wash their dogs after they come back in from outside. That dog just ran through the dirt and ate its own poop, and you're going to snuggle with it in the couch. Gross.

    Edited to include that I do find my IL's dog adorable about 10% of the time. But then I get a whiff of his breath...
    I love my dog but when he eats dog poop, I def give him the side eye. I don't mind the slobber and dirt, but poop breath?!? Nope! And to top it off, the other day he ate poop, then proceeded to kill a bird in his mouth. I couldn't even look at him the same for a day. Nasty.
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