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  • JaymeMacJaymeMac member
    orlaithsheanon16 said:

    JaymeMac said:

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    orlaithsheanon16 said:

    Ok ill go! I think people who smoke weed/ do any drugs as adults are stupid and immature! Particularly those with children.

    I've already said this on a pot debate, but my husband smokes pot. He has a joint most nights. That doesn't make him stupid and immature, unless you think it's stupid and immature to have a glass of wine each night. He's a responsible person and a wonderful father. His smoking pot doesn't change that in the least. You aren't automatically an idiot just b/c you use marijuana. Maybe that's my UO. There are many intelligent, successful and responsible people who smoke pot. 
    I agree...my dh smokes pot...my father will smoke now and then...my boss smokes...my bosses boss smokes. Yes smoking can help calm you down after a long stressful day. And yes I agree I prefer that to popping a prescription pill that is full of chemicals...what you do in the privacy of your own home is no ones business. Legal or not. One day weed will be legal everywhere and this point will be moot. Irresponsible to smoke weed? Hell no not in a safe environment with adults. But to each their own.
    Pot is a chemical too. It is also a crutch if you use it to calm down. There are other ways to relax and unwind. Excersize, yoga a bath. Why do we have to turn to any substance to relax?

    First off we don't have baths in Mexico.. But to me I see it as being exactly the same as coming home after work and cracking open a bottle of wine. What someone does responsibly in their home shouldn't bother anyone. Everything should be done in moderation. Pot...alcohol...who cares. I wont drink if I have to take care of my child...and I know many People that do. Doesn't mean I will judge them for it. Meh.
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    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    BlondieBia21 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Know what's also not legal in many states?  Gay marriage.

    Sooo what are you getting at with that statement?
    Isn't it obvious?  Governments have a long history of infringing upon the rights of individuals to live and do as they choose, so long as their actions do not infringe upon another's right to live and do as THEY choose.  To make it easier: Government makes lots of laws about things that aren't any of its damn business.

    So, to make a judgement about the rightness/wrongness, responsibility/irresponsibility, etc. of an action based on its legality is silly, and shows a need for a longer, more critical thought process.
    Tell it to the judge who will remove your child from your home over illegal activities. 

    I mean, whatever lets you sleep at night right? 
    ^^^  See?  Another "It's illegal so..." statement.  It never gets any further than that.  I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you, but tell me how the government has a right to legislate on these things.

    It's not about justifying or making excuses, it's about principle.  I firmly believe that a government has zero right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do, provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.  Period.  I don't think a government has any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to abortion and in the same vein, it doesn't have any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to the drugs they want to put in it.

    If I were to pick and choose, saying "I don't like that, so I'm ok with that being illegal, but I like THAT, so THAT should be legal" I would be displaying very childish, one-dimensional thinking.
    The government has the right to mandate the USA because it is the USA government, elected by the USA. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Period. Or use your vote as your voice. 

    Ummm... I love lamp?  I have no idea what you mean there.

    And if you think making things illegal is as simple as someone saying, I don't like that, I'd argue that is very childish, one dimensional thinking.

    ^^^  Didn't say that.  At all.  Read again for comprehension.  I've got the numbers for a couple good tutors you could call. ;)

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  • JaymeMacJaymeMac member
    petey1106 said:

    @jaymemac what do you mean you "don't have baths in Mexico"?

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    I would say 80% homes in mexico only have showers. My parents put one in because they built their house themselves. Baths are very uncommon here unless you are wealthy.
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    ohhhhh it's gettin' hot in here!!
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    I don't understand how people live without baths. I was heartbroken when we moved and I lost my clawfoot tub.

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  • CoconutheadCoconuthead member
    @V&G you said "Until you use your right to vote, then don't complain to me". That was where my hypothesis arose.

    You also said "you appear to be VERY anti government - so uh... maybe you should just leave the great U S of A?"

    This implies you feel @rfrazier611 has less of a right to live in the US. (Though if she is anti-government not sure what country you propose as appropriate).

    Sorry. I am not familiar with nyan cat.

    I did re-read what you said. It comes off as an attempt to win your argument by process of devaluation of @rfrazier611 via implication she is anti-government, un-American, and doesn't vote. What she actually said is she doesn't believe in government involvement on personal freedoms that don't infringe on another person's rights.

    If I mistook you, I apologize but really don't see the point of bringing it up at all, otherwise.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
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    Coconuthead said: @V&G you said "Until you use your right to vote, then don't complain to me". That was where my hypothesis arose. You also said "you appear to be VERY anti government - so uh... maybe you should just leave the great U S of A?" This implies you feel @rfrazier611 has less of a right to live in the US. (Though if she is anti-government not sure what country you propose as appropriate). Sorry. I am not familiar with nyan cat. I did re-read what you said. It comes off as an attempt to win your argument by process of devaluation of @rfrazier611 via implication she is anti-government, un-American, and doesn't vote. What she actually said is she doesn't believe in government involvement on personal freedoms that don't infringe on another person's rights. If I mistook you, I apologize but really don't see the point of bringing it up at all, otherwise. ---------------------------------------------------------
     RF went off on a ranting tangent that the government shouldn't be involved in peoples lives and blah blah blah. She implied herself that she is extremely anti government, and if she didn't intend to, maybe     she should respond, instead of having you WK for her. 

    And Whatever, I can think of a shit ton of people who have less of a right to live here. All American doesn't mean "Lets make USA a whore". 
    And RF was also the one to bring the whole governement shinanagains excuse as to why she can smoke pot illegally and not be selfish and irresponsible. 
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    I started reading through this thread on my first pump at work then second and now and am a bit disappointed it's still about pot.. 5 pages later

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    I think sex is a really important part of a relationship. I only think it's a uo here bc so many of you say you still haven't dtd or have only done so a few times since LO was born
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  • CourtJackCourtJack member
    LEMSA said:
    I hate the Olympics. It is just a big boring event that preempts my regularly scheduled programming.
    Blasphemy! I love the Olympics. Winter and Summer. It's awesome! So many countries, the best athletes, hot bodies... Dude, Hope Solo was saying that all the athletes hook up in the Olympic village. I would. Mostly young, hot, foreign athletes in their prime. But I digress. I love the Olympics!
    Same. I friggin LOVE the Olympics, especially the Winter ones. I am PUMPED! Go Canada! ;)
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    rfrazier611 said:

    ^^^  See?  Another "It's illegal so..." statement.  It never gets any further than that.  I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you, but tell me how the government has a right to legislate on these things.

    It's not about justifying or making excuses, it's about principle.  I firmly believe that a government has zero right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do, provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.  Period.  I don't think a government has any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to abortion and in the same vein, it doesn't have any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to the drugs they want to put in it.

    If I were to pick and choose, saying "I don't like that, so I'm ok with that being illegal, but I like THAT, so THAT should be legal" I would be displaying very childish, one-dimensional thinking.
    All of the above bolded comments are negative, and therefore read as Anti- government. These are words out of your own mouth, not mine. 
    This isn't an argument about IF pot should be illegal. Its an argument that since it currently, as of Jan 30th 2014, is illegal, and in the vast majority of states punishable by jail time and worse, it is irresponsible and selfish.
     I argue that doing pretty much anything that is punishable by jail time or worse is irresponsible and selfish. 
     Your only response to that is anti-patriotic garbage that has nothing to do with anything anyone else is talking about. No one here is talking about if the government should be able to decide such things, you are the only one in that debate. 
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    Soleil3 said:
    Coconuthead said:
    @V&G you said "Until you use your right to vote, then don't complain to me". That was where my hypothesis arose. You also said "you appear to be VERY anti government - so uh... maybe you should just leave the great U S of A?" This implies you feel @rfrazier611 has less of a right to live in the US. (Though if she is anti-government not sure what country you propose as appropriate). Sorry. I am not familiar with nyan cat. I did re-read what you said. It comes off as an attempt to win your argument by process of devaluation of @rfrazier611 via implication she is anti-government, un-American, and doesn't vote. What she actually said is she doesn't believe in government involvement on personal freedoms that don't infringe on another person's rights. If I mistook you, I apologize but really don't see the point of bringing it up at all, otherwise.
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    RF went off on a ranting tangent that the government shouldn't be involved in peoples lives and blah blah blah. She implied herself that she is extremely anti government, and if she didn't intend to, maybe she should respond, instead of having you WK for her. 

    And Whatever, I can think of a shit ton of people who have less of a right to live here. All American doesn't mean "Lets make USA a whore". 
    And RF was also the one to bring the whole governement shinanagains excuse as to why she can smoke pot illegally and not be selfish and irresponsible. 
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    I think it's my H who smokes pot illegally - not RF. And I still don't believe he's selfish or irresponsible. But if you do - I'm probably not going to change your mind. 

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    msspeedymarie said:
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    BlondieBia21 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Know what's also not legal in many states?  Gay marriage.

    Sooo what are you getting at with that statement?
    Isn't it obvious?  Governments have a long history of infringing upon the rights of individuals to live and do as they choose, so long as their actions do not infringe upon another's right to live and do as THEY choose.  To make it easier: Government makes lots of laws about things that aren't any of its damn business.

    So, to make a judgement about the rightness/wrongness, responsibility/irresponsibility, etc. of an action based on its legality is silly, and shows a need for a longer, more critical thought process.
    Tell it to the judge who will remove your child from your home over illegal activities. 

    I mean, whatever lets you sleep at night right? 
    ^^^  See?  Another "It's illegal so..." statement.  It never gets any further than that.  I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you, but tell me how the government has a right to legislate on these things.

    It's not about justifying or making excuses, it's about principle.  I firmly believe that a government has zero right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do, provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.  Period.  I don't think a government has any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to abortion and in the same vein, it doesn't have any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to the drugs they want to put in it.

    If I were to pick and choose, saying "I don't like that, so I'm ok with that being illegal, but I like THAT, so THAT should be legal" I would be displaying very childish, one-dimensional thinking.
    The government has the right to mandate the USA because it is the USA government, elected by the USA. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Period. Or use your vote as your voice. 

    And if you think making things illegal is as simple as someone saying, I don't like that, I'd argue that is very childish, one dimensional thinking. 



    So because the government does it, it's okay? That is the most ridiculous argument ever. Governments are not infallible. They are made up of individuals, and those individuals are answerable to the people. Just because they were elected doesn't mean that every law they pass is a good, just law that protects all human rights. if that was the case, we wouldn't have to be fighting for things like gay marriage. We would never have had to fight for civil rights, women would have always had the right to vote, etc. A right to mandate and making laws that do not violate human rights are not the same thing. Ask the women in Saudi Arabia or Iran about that. It is our responsibility as Americans to make sure that our government does not violate our human rights. That's pretty much what the entire Constitution is about - how to protect the people from a government with too much power. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and all the separation of powers. I'm in the middle of teaching my 7th graders about the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution right now, so this is a pretty fresh topic.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
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    msspeedymarie said:



    So because the government does it, it's okay? That is the most ridiculous argument ever. Governments are not infallible. They are made up of individuals, and those individuals are answerable to the people. Just because they were elected doesn't mean that every law they pass is a good, just law that protects all human rights. if that was the case, we wouldn't have to be fighting for things like gay marriage. We would never have had to fight for civil rights, women would have always had the right to vote, etc. A right to mandate and making laws that do not violate human rights are not the same thing. Ask the women in Saudi Arabia or Iran about that. It is our responsibility as Americans to make sure that our government does not violate our human rights. That's pretty much what the entire Constitution is about - how to protect the people from a government with too much power. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and all the separation of powers. I'm in the middle of teaching my 7th graders about the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution right now, so this is a pretty fresh topic.
    So because the government does "it" right NOW, yes, it is ok. (I'm not sure what it you are referring to). I'm not arguing that the government is infallible, I'm arguing that what they say goes until they say otherwise. And currently they say Pot is illegal. 

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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    edited January 2014
    rfrazier611 said:
    msspeedymarie said:
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    BlondieBia21 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    Know what's also not legal in many states?  Gay marriage.

    Sooo what are you getting at with that statement?
    Isn't it obvious?  Governments have a long history of infringing upon the rights of individuals to live and do as they choose, so long as their actions do not infringe upon another's right to live and do as THEY choose.  To make it easier: Government makes lots of laws about things that aren't any of its damn business.

    So, to make a judgement about the rightness/wrongness, responsibility/irresponsibility, etc. of an action based on its legality is silly, and shows a need for a longer, more critical thought process.
    Tell it to the judge who will remove your child from your home over illegal activities. 

    I mean, whatever lets you sleep at night right? 
    ^^^  See?  Another "It's illegal so..." statement.  It never gets any further than that.  I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you, but tell me how the government has a right to legislate on these things.

    It's not about justifying or making excuses, it's about principle.  I firmly believe that a government has zero right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do, provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.  Period.  I don't think a government has any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to abortion and in the same vein, it doesn't have any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to the drugs they want to put in it.

    If I were to pick and choose, saying "I don't like that, so I'm ok with that being illegal, but I like THAT, so THAT should be legal" I would be displaying very childish, one-dimensional thinking.
    The government has the right to mandate the USA because it is the USA government, elected by the USA. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Period. Or use your vote as your voice. 

    And if you think making things illegal is as simple as someone saying, I don't like that, I'd argue that is very childish, one dimensional thinking. 



    So because the government does it, it's okay? That is the most ridiculous argument ever. Governments are not infallible. They are made up of individuals, and those individuals are answerable to the people. Just because they were elected doesn't mean that every law they pass is a good, just law that protects all human rights. if that was the case, we wouldn't have to be fighting for things like gay marriage. We would never have had to fight for civil rights, women would have always had the right to vote, etc. A right to mandate and making laws that do not violate human rights are not the same thing. Ask the women in Saudi Arabia or Iran about that. It is our responsibility as Americans to make sure that our government does not violate our human rights. That's pretty much what the entire Constitution is about - how to protect the people from a government with too much power. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and all the separation of powers. I'm in the middle of teaching my 7th graders about the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution right now, so this is a pretty fresh topic.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    CourtJack said:

    I think it's my H who smokes pot illegally - not RF. And I still don't believe he's selfish or irresponsible. But if you do - I'm probably not going to change your mind. 

    Could your husband get arrested for smoking in your state? Would it possibly negatively impact his livelihood?
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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    Soleil3 said:
    msspeedymarie said:



    So because the government does it, it's okay? That is the most ridiculous argument ever. Governments are not infallible. They are made up of individuals, and those individuals are answerable to the people. Just because they were elected doesn't mean that every law they pass is a good, just law that protects all human rights. if that was the case, we wouldn't have to be fighting for things like gay marriage. We would never have had to fight for civil rights, women would have always had the right to vote, etc. A right to mandate and making laws that do not violate human rights are not the same thing. Ask the women in Saudi Arabia or Iran about that. It is our responsibility as Americans to make sure that our government does not violate our human rights. That's pretty much what the entire Constitution is about - how to protect the people from a government with too much power. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and all the separation of powers. I'm in the middle of teaching my 7th graders about the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution right now, so this is a pretty fresh topic.
    So because the government does "it" right NOW, yes, it is ok. (I'm not sure what it you are referring to). I'm not arguing that the government is infallible, I'm arguing that what they say goes until they say otherwise. And currently they say Pot is illegal. 

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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    So tell me RF, what have you done to change things?
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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    Soleil3 said:
    So tell me RF, what have you done to change things?
    I thought you were going to remind me where I said I'm anti-government and that I smoke pot?  Patience!  One thing at a time!  The ball, my dear, is still in your court.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    rfrazier611 said:
    Soleil3 said:
    So tell me RF, what have you done to change things?
    I thought you were going to remind me where I said I'm anti-government and that I smoke pot?  Patience!  One thing at a time!  The ball, my dear, is still in your court.
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  • CourtJackCourtJack member
    Soleil3 said:
    CourtJack said:

    I think it's my H who smokes pot illegally - not RF. And I still don't believe he's selfish or irresponsible. But if you do - I'm probably not going to change your mind. 

    Could your husband get arrested for smoking in your state? Would it possibly negatively impact his livelihood?
    He could get arrested for smoking pot in my province, yep. However, what would happen would be that he'd get a fine - not jail time. The maximum sentence for possession of marijuana is six months in jail. Maximum sentences aren't struck down on a first time offender. He'd be fined and he'd be let go. I've seen it happen many times. 

    Aside from that, he (and I) honestly believe it should be legal. He believes that he has a right to smoke marijuana in his own home, harming nobody, causing no harm to anyone. And standing up for something you think is your right, is ok by me. Stupid laws don't get overturned by people just sitting around waiting for a politician to decide that something no longer makes sense being illegal. People advocate, protest, stand up for what they think they have a right to do. Again, I am ok with that. 

    It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of money keeping pot illegal costs our law enforcement system. My husband isn't a criminal and using pot in moderation, in his own home, shouldn't be a punishable offense. I get that you think that just b/c it still is illegal here, that he's selfish and irresponsible, but then so is any other woman or man who have ever broke or fought against a law that infringes on their rights. I'm an Aboriginal rights activist. I support activism, protests and demonstrations if that's what it takes to get a point across. I respect people who have the guts to do stuff like that. To some, smoking marijuana may seem like a menial cause to get all riled up about - but to each their own. I feel strongly about things that are legal that need to be illegal (ie/ high capacity fire arms) and some people think that's absolutely insane. 

    I'm rambling. The end. 
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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    C'mon now, don't leave me hanging.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    Court you contradict yourself. Is it just a fine, or is it 6 months in jail? What if the judge had a bad day? Or the cop who caught him? Etc. 
    What if he got a fine, and the next time would be the 6 months jail time? Would it still be selfless and responsible? You'd just stick your head in the sand and hope there wasn't a second time?

    And whether it should be legal isn't this weeks topic. But thinking it should be legal as an excuse for doing it, that doesn't make it any less illegal.
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    edited January 2014
    rfrazier611 said:
    C'mon now, don't leave me hanging.
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    You must've missed my response in your haste to gif party. It was almost an hour ago.
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  • Soleil3Soleil3 member
    edited January 2014
    Your immature attempts at baiting me however, make me realize what level of intelligence I'm dealing with and I'm signing off this debate unless another adult wants to continue it :)
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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:

    ^^^  See?  Another "It's illegal so..." statement.  It never gets any further than that.  I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you, but tell me how the government has a right to legislate on these things.

    It's not about justifying or making excuses, it's about principle.  I firmly believe that a government has zero right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do, provided it doesn't infringe upon the rights of anyone else.  Period.  I don't think a government has any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to abortion and in the same vein, it doesn't have any business telling someone what to do with their body when it comes to the drugs they want to put in it.

    If I were to pick and choose, saying "I don't like that, so I'm ok with that being illegal, but I like THAT, so THAT should be legal" I would be displaying very childish, one-dimensional thinking.
    All of the above bolded comments are negative, and therefore read as Anti- government. These are words out of your own mouth, not mine. 
    This isn't an argument about IF pot should be illegal. Its an argument that since it currently, as of Jan 30th 2014, is illegal, and in the vast majority of states punishable by jail time and worse, it is irresponsible and selfish.
     I argue that doing pretty much anything that is punishable by jail time or worse is irresponsible and selfish. 
     Your only response to that is anti-patriotic garbage that has nothing to do with anything anyone else is talking about. No one here is talking about if the government should be able to decide such things, you are the only one in that debate. 
    Oh, snap!  I missed this.  Nope, negative comments about a thing does not make you anti-thing.  Try again.  Disagreeing with questionable federal policies that are not permitted by the constitution is by no means anti-patriotic.  It's actually very patriotic.  Find me the place in the constitution that gives the federal government license to make laws on this.  I've got my copy right here.  Tell me the page and I'll check it out.
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  • CoconutheadCoconuthead member
    @Soleil3 I was WK for @rfrazier611 not because she can't defend herself but because it was/is a prime example of my UO.

    Not sure what you mean by your "let's make USA a whore" statement. If you mean that all US citizens should blindly follow all laws and never question the government then I have to disagree with you.

    I also disagree that disagreeing and questioning the government is "anti-patriotic garbage." Indeed I think the courage to question and and petition the government for a redress of grievances, shall we say, is about as patriotic as it gets. One thing about loving ones country is that our love should never be blind. We should be proud of the progress we have made and continue to question in order that we may progress.

    I am curious on your stance of responsibility to follow the law. I would argue that sometimes it is our responsibility to not follow the law. Is not an act of civil disobedience sometimes the necessary and right course of action?

    I am not saying this to make the claim that smoking pot is any way comparable to fighting for a civil rights cause. Far from it. Rather I am curious as to whether your view on following the law carries over to any and all laws, regardless of the content.
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  • rfrazier611rfrazier611 member
    Soleil3 said:
    Your immature attempts at baiting me however, make me realize what level of intelligence I'm dealing with and I'm signing off this debate unless another adult wants to continue it :)
    Aw, we almost made it through an UO Thursday without taking cheap personal shots.  Alas.  You probably don't want hard proof of my intelligence, but me insisting on it in an online forum probably won't convince you, either.  If you'd like, I can mail you a hard copy of the peer-reviewed research journal where my work is published.  It's pretty sweet.  It's not on topic because studying the constitution is only my hobby, not my profession.  It's actually on education, which is what I've been trying to do here, but you can't save 'em all.
    ;)
    Good night, and thanks for an UO Thursday that wasn't boring.  Finally!
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    Soleil3 said:
    rfrazier611 said:
    C'mon now, don't leave me hanging.
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    You must've missed my response in your haste to gif party. It was almost an hour ago.
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    edited January 2014

    Soleil3 said:
    Court you contradict yourself. Is it just a fine, or is it 6 months in jail? What if the judge had a bad day? Or the cop who caught him? Etc. 
    What if he got a fine, and the next time would be the 6 months jail time? Would it still be selfless and responsible? You'd just stick your head in the sand and hope there wasn't a second time?

    And whether it should be legal isn't this weeks topic. But thinking it should be legal as an excuse for doing it, that doesn't make it any less illegal.
    My argument has become a mere lame side show to the epic UO battle between you and RK. I'm bowing out. 


    I lack mad debate skillzzzzzzz.

    Edit: I clearly haven't learned how to gif. 
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  • CourtJackCourtJack member
    film (12749) Animated Gif on Giphy
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