Does anybody regret NOT vaccinating their child?

trudibell · December 2013

AFwifelife said:

I have never commented on anything before but this is something I feel strongly about, I think that it's unfair for anyone to criticize another persons parenting style/choices.

As with anything in life, especially today's world, there are so many choices about anything and everything!

Vaccines have there pros and cons.

Pros are obvious, there is a very good chance you child will not catch any of the diseases they've been vaccinated for but vaccines are also not 100% effective. This helps stop the spread of these diseases to others. BUT think . . . how is it fair to force a parent to put something in their child's body that they are not comfortable with?

Cons . . .
These are some of the ingredients in vaccines that you may have given your child:
Monkey kidney cells (which used to be untested and spread serious diseases from the primates)
Aluminum (in extremely high amounts that has never been tested on the effects of infant or adults kidneys and other essential parts of the body)
Cow fetal blood
Blood/cells of aborted human embryos
formaldehyde (yes it's a very small amount)
other preservatives that are not meant to go into a body, especially a little body like the one's of our babies.

Our personal decision was to only vaccinate for common and serious diseases. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing choice and for certain vaccines (like Hep if it is possible to wait until the child is older and bigger, their body will better handle the ingredients in the vaccine, then they will also have a choice in the matter.

I think it's time we stop fighting about the matter and take time to consider others choices and support others!

God Bless you and your family!
1. You obviously didn't read all the comments 2. I will criticize someone who doesn't vaccinate because they are not only putting their child at risk but also those around them who are medically unable to get vaccinated. They will not receive my support. 3. Just because you deem that a disease is not common doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There is a reason these diseases are making a comeback.

This exactly. I don't criticize other parents for doing things differently than I do when it's something that doesn't potentially cause harm to my own, like NOT VACCINATING.

So here's a little lesson in how math works. Thousands of children are vaccinated EVERY DAY and there are EXTREMELY FEW IF ANY who get "vaccine injured" or whatever aluminum monkey cow kidney fetus disease you're afraid of. Before we had vaccinations, thousands of children DIED and suffered extreme complications from diseases that "aren't common" today. They aren't common today, because really top-notch SCIENTISTS (not evil corporations!) like Jonas Salk invented vaccines. So sure, you may have never met someone who suffered from polio or rubella in your lifetime and those diseases aren't "common" but that's because every person you have ever met got the vaccine.

Don't be an idiot, vaccinate your kids.

trudibell · December 2013

And before someone comes in yelling at me, Jonas Salk, a really super amazing person in history, invented specifically the polio vaccine, not all vaccines.

It's worth repeating: Don't be an idiot, vaccinate your kids.

pantsarella · December 2013

PeanutButterLove said:

Cons . . .
These are some of the ingredients in vaccines that you may have given your child:
Monkey kidney cells (which used to be untested and spread serious diseases from the primates)
Aluminum (in extremely high amounts that has never been tested on the effects of infant or adults kidneys and other essential parts of the body)
Cow fetal blood
Blood/cells of aborted human embryos
formaldehyde (yes it's a very small amount)
other preservatives that are not meant to go into a body, especially a little body like the one's of our babies.

First off, vaccines DO NOT contain monkey kidney cells or aborted fetal tissue. And honestly, if you believe that you should go study genetics and actually learn about what you're spewing uninformed opinions about. The rubella vaccine was originally developed using aborted fetal cells. I can't remember which one was originally grown in monkey kidney cells and I don't even care to look it up because of how stupid this belief is. These vaccines were developed 50-60 years ago. They never contained those cells and they never will. Using a tissue as a medium to grow something and actually containing the tissue are 2 DIFFERENT things. Again, please go take some science classes.

Aluminum is in vaccines, yes. Not in super high amounts like some people would suggest. Less than 1 mg. Aluminum is also in flour. In antiperspirant. On average, you ingest to up to 10mg of aluminum every day (through eating, skin, etc). So 1 mg? Not all that much.

I've never even heard about the cow fetal blood. That must be a new conspiracy theory. And yes, there is formaldehyde in vaccines. A very tiny amount. An amount that has been there for 50-60 years and guess what? We know the long term effect of! .....none.

So I'll take vaccines over polio and all the other horrible diseases that are now coming back because people on the internet think they know better than doctors, the CDC, Mayo Clinic, NIH...

brinmoyer · December 2013

It is known that there are ingredients in the vaccines that do cause cancer, as well as ingredients like the aluminum that are used as preservatives in the vaccines that are causing forms of autism in children. I have been doing research on many of the vaccines, and I find that some of them (in my opinion) aren't necessary. What is the importance of giving your child the HepB vaccine from day 1 in the hospital when it is something only adults can get? My parents only had their kids receive some of the vaccinations required and none of us have ever had any issues. I don't know how we can go from getting a few vaccines as kids in the 80s and having over 20 vaccines they want us to give our kids now. Pharmaceuticals craving money.

pantsarella · December 2013

brinmoyer said:

It is known that there are ingredients in the vaccines that do cause cancer, as well as ingredients like the aluminum that are used as preservatives in the vaccines that are causing forms of autism in children. I have been doing research on many of the vaccines, and I find that some of them (in my opinion) aren't necessary. What is the importance of giving your child the HepB vaccine from day 1 in the hospital when it is something only adults can get? My parents only had their kids receive some of the vaccinations required and none of us have ever had any issues. I don't know how we can go from getting a few vaccines as kids in the 80s and having over 20 vaccines they want us to give our kids now. Pharmaceuticals craving money.

That's funny. Because they've found a difference in visual tracking of autistic vs. non-autistic children as early as 2 MONTHS. https://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2013/classic-sign-of-autism-appears-in-early-infancy-study-says

Here's another link that talks about eye contact in infants between 2 and 6 months: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lack-of-eye-contact-may-be-first-sign-of-autism-in-infants/

If vaccines cause autism, why are they finding significant differences in children at 2 months (waaaaaay before all those 20 vaccines and waaaaay before the MMR vaccine). And no- adults are not the only ones who can get Hepatitis B. It's a lot worse if you get it as an infant- it can lead a chronic infection.

notreal2 · December 2013

Pharmaceuticals craving money.

A pharmaceutical company and a physician stand to make far more money on a sick child who develops a chronic condition from not being vaccinated than they make from vaccines, yet they push vaccines anyway. Curious that. Vaccines aren't a money maker for ANYONE.

dirtyred · December 2013

Just one example:
"Formaldehyde has been classified as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing substance) by the International Agency for Research on Cancer and as a probable human carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."

You know that the foods you eat, when metabolized by your body, make formaldehyde? And much more of it than is found in a vaccine dose. Are you going to stop feeding your kid because food makes formaldehyde?

cortneyloo · December 2013

All the additives can be scary, but working in a hospital I see too many kids admitted for things that could've been prevented. We had a little one die from the flu last year and that was enough to make me a believer in vaccines.

GeraldoRivera · December 2013

PeanutButterLove said:

I have never commented on anything before but this is something I feel strongly about, I think that it's unfair for anyone to criticize another persons parenting style/choices.

As with anything in life, especially today's world, there are so many choices about anything and everything!

Vaccines have there pros and cons.

Pros are obvious, there is a very good chance you child will not catch any of the diseases they've been vaccinated for but vaccines are also not 100% effective. This helps stop the spread of these diseases to others. BUT think . . . how is it fair to force a parent to put something in their child's body that they are not comfortable with?

Cons . . .
These are some of the ingredients in vaccines that you may have given your child:
Monkey kidney cells (which used to be untested and spread serious diseases from the primates)
Aluminum (in extremely high amounts that has never been tested on the effects of infant or adults kidneys and other essential parts of the body)
Cow fetal blood
Blood/cells of aborted human embryos
formaldehyde (yes it's a very small amount)
other preservatives that are not meant to go into a body, especially a little body like the one's of our babies.

Our personal decision was to only vaccinate for common and serious diseases. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing choice and for certain vaccines (like Hep if it is possible to wait until the child is older and bigger, their body will better handle the ingredients in the vaccine, then they will also have a choice in the matter.

I think it's time we stop fighting about the matter and take time to consider others choices and support others!

God Bless you and your family!

I think it is VERY unfair of you to criticize my decision not to put my children in car seats. I have done my research and I believe that my baby is much better off sitting with a regular seatbelt instead of a carseat, or in my arms, and you have no right to criticize MY choice.

hotcocoa07 · December 2013

missyjg said:

Let me just tell a brief story. Once upon a time there was a healthy, vibrant and intelligent woman full of life and spunk. She was 6 months pregnant with her second child. She had never had the chicken pox, herpes simplex virus, bad enough to get an immunity. This beauty started feeling ill. She ended up spiking a fever of 106. Very long story short, this woman, my beloved sister, had herpes simplex encephalitis. Yes, my 33 y/o sister had half of her frontal cortex and all of her temporal lobe taken out. She died on that operating table, not in the physical sense, but she was never the same. This engineer went from complete and total independence to requiring 24/7 care. All from the chicken pox. So the "we survived it as kids" argument is a load of crap. All diseases are dangerous and if I can protect my child from the life my sister now lives, you bet your ass I'll do it !! I miss my sister every day.

Thank you for sharing and reminding me to get my chickpox vaccine and possibly saving my life.

casiecyntel · December 2013

Here let me answer your actual question. No I do not regret NOT vaccinating my son. My sister and I were never vaccinated either and are very rarely ever sick. I think it's a personal choice and HATE when people think they know everything about this. My 2 yr old son is very healthy and was nursed till 19 1/2 months.

pantsarella · December 2013

casiecyntel said:

Here let me answer your actual question. No I do not regret NOT vaccinating my son. My sister and I were never vaccinated either and are very rarely ever sick. I think it's a personal choice and HATE when people think they know everything about this. My 2 yr old son is very healthy and was nursed till 19 1/2 months.

Well sh*t, if you and your sister are rarely sick, I guess we should all take medical advice from you. Congrats, here's your honorary M.D. and medical license!

Now that you're a doctor, I've had bronchitis twice in the last month, what should I do about it? Can you write me a prescription?

trudibell · December 2013

casiecyntel said:

Here let me answer your actual question. No I do not regret NOT vaccinating my son. My sister and I were never vaccinated either and are very rarely ever sick. I think it's a personal choice and HATE when people think they know everything about this. My 2 yr old son is very healthy and was nursed till 19 1/2 months.

It's more than a personal choice, you're choosing to put everyone else at risk and deplete herd immunity by your anecdotal evidence. If you want to make a personal choice to be an idiot, do so in a way that only harms yourself. I don't know "everything about this" but I trust that my pediatrician, who was required to go through eleven years education in order to be a pediatrician, to recommend what's right for my kid. My pediatrician's recommendations are to follow the CDC guidelines for immunizations. The CDC's purpose of existence is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability. By claiming that you, based on your anecdotal evidence and grossly small sample size (3 individuals) know better than doctors and the CDC you are the one claiming to "know everything."

Habs2Hart · December 2013

If you are concerned about the ingredients, talk to your pedi about it. Maybe discuss an alternative schedule or delayed vaccines. You can also look up the brands available. The different types (single shots vs cocktails) and what is in them. Some people (myself included) choose to delay. Others choose to go with an alternative schedule (an example is splitting up the vaccines in different months to spread out the intake of aluminum). Regardless, it is never a bad idea to discuss with a doctor and do research yourself as long as it is unbiased and sticks to the facts. Some of the more common diseases have fewer ingredients in the vaccine than some of the less common ones, but know about it and the concentrations of the ingredients before freaking out.

MagPie 1986 · December 2013

Kasia7 said:

I also did tons of research and in the end I only vaccinated my LO for diseases that are very serious, common and could be lethal. Thinking about what goes into vaccines beside the actual vaccine it scares me knowing my baby will have that inside her little body. Also, in many countries in Europe there is less vaccines, but there isn't more cases of diseases so what is the point?

I know a few people that did not get any vaccines at all and traveled to Africa, Asia etc... and never got sick.
It doesn't mean that I'm not worried my LO will get something, but I just think it's better for her to gain immunity in natural way.

If I were you, OP, I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who doesn't understand how to use commas or basic subject-verb agreement.

Not to mention, this argument is invalid because, as previously stated, a disease that may not be lethal to you could be lethal to someone with a weaker immune system i.e. chicken pox in a chemo patient is a great example.

YOU are not smarter than modern medicine or years of research. Vaccinate your kids, dammit. Don't be a fucking moron.

RoosterMemphis · December 2013

etoille said:
yeah. I'm SUPER worried about speaking kindly to people who have zero regard for the health and welfare of others.

Where did you come from? Because I love you.

PrimRoseMama · December 2013

RoosterMemphis said:

etoille said:
yeah. I'm SUPER worried about speaking kindly to people who have zero regard for the health and welfare of others.

Where did you come from? Because I love you.

@roostermemphis : she is a July13 homie!

@etoille

JenBon727 · December 2013

Shoecrazysarah said:

trudibell said:
I don't regret vaccinating my son. My mother almost died of the measles when she was a child. Polio was devastating. I'm a pretty crunchy, cloth diapering, baby food making, anti-chemical mom too, but there is virtually no legitimate reason confirmed by a scholarly peer-reviewed study that what little harm a vaccine does to a child outweighs the positive of preventing deadly diseases. Don't be an idiot, vaccinate your kid, to forgo a vaccine because of a unsubstantiated belief in a risk of whatever condition later on in life is not just irresponsible to you and yours, but to the rest of us too.
Took the words out of my mouth! To those in favor of not vaccinating, of whom have "done their research", please post your legitimate source. I.e. A published peer reviewed scholarly study.

Internet research is clearly more accurate and reliable! It's great when stupid people fill their heads with internet "research "...

Mrs.AllyH · December 2013

Those who elect not to vaccinate due to non medical reasons and internet "research" deserve to live with each other on an island. I pick Alcatraz. Because it is not a "personal choice" it is a decision that can directly impact others (hence the references to stop signs, etc.) I also think it should be published whose "personal decision" it was not to vaccinate, (like a sex offenders registry) because my "personal decision" would be to keep my kids the hell away from yours.

algalphys · December 2013

Kasia7 said:
Just one example:
"Formaldehyde has been classified as a known human carcinogen
(cancer-causing substance) by the International Agency for Research on
Cancer and as a probable human carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency."

My mother has a formaldehyde allergy...you would not believe what things you touch everyday that have formaldehyde in the. One example, money!

angvanilina · January 2014

We need to vaccine our children because the more people that don't the more likely there will be outbreaks of diseases that can tremendously impair a child for life and can even kill them. There have already been severe outbreaks in areas where people are refusing vaccines. The

mmr vaccine is just a coincidence. I have worked with children with Autism and when a child gets their mmr shots is about the same time they start developing more advanced language skills. So that is about the time parents and drs first start noticing signs of autism. Don't let people that prey on the fears of parents fool you into thinking that vaccines are bad. Women in other countries would give anything to be able to vaccinate their children so they can live to adulthood.

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