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What is the reason you don't want your child having premarital sex in your home?
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  • Really? I think that's pretty common. I don't know many parents that are like "yayyyu premarital banging in my house!" Lol
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  • I used to be good friends with a single mom who had a firm policy along the lines of "if I'm not having sex in this house, no one is!"
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  • Conversely I did date a guy and we were out to dinner and his mom texted him not to come home because she had a date. After we broke up we stayed friends and he started doing the same so she didn't come home. Yuck.
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  • CurlyQ284 said:

    Really? I think that's pretty common. I don't know many parents that are like "yayyyu premarital banging in my house!" Lol

    Well I can say I am in the middle here. I don't want my kid having sex in my house but I won't kick them out for making a choice to have sex.
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  • CurlyQ284 said:

    Really? I think that's pretty common. I don't know many parents that are like "yayyyu premarital banging in my house!" Lol

    Well I can say I am in the middle here. I don't want my kid having sex in my house but I won't kick them out for making a choice to have sex.
    Oh well yeah. But just asking why she doesn't want teen sex in her house makes me a little "huh?" I would also not kick anyone out for that.
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  • I consider myself to be fairly liberal in that there aren't too many things that I see as blantantly right or wrong. However, I would not condone or encourage my child having sex in my house. I plan in teaching my DS about safe sex and would never kick him out for having it, but I'm not planning on letting him just go up to his room with his girlfriend to bang either. Having sex comes with serious consequences as most of the people on this board know. I don't think in anyway it should be taken lightly or consider

    If he had graduated from college and has a serious girlfriend I would let her spend the night, but they would have to be in separate rooms until they are engaged or married. I know that most likely they will do it anyway but out of respect for us, I would expect him to at least be discrete.
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  • On this same topic, I often worry about how to manage this when SDs are older. I know DH will want to stick his head in the sand. I don't know what BM would prefer but she might be another "head in the sand". My course of action would be to get SDs on birth control and talk to them about being safe. But DH will NOT want to know (I'm positive on this). So would I be out of line to run with this on my own without bio parents? That feels wrong....but I don't want to do nothing either.
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  • CurlyQ284 said:

    On this same topic, I often worry about how to manage this when SDs are older. I know DH will want to stick his head in the sand. I don't know what BM would prefer but she might be another "head in the sand". My course of action would be to get SDs on birth control and talk to them about being safe. But DH will NOT want to know (I'm positive on this). So would I be out of line to run with this on my own without bio parents? That feels wrong....but I don't want to do nothing either.

    I am in the same boat with SS. DH knows that BM will lose her mind if we talk to him about sex so he is burying his head in the sand and won't do it. BM acts like SS is a little kid and not a preteen. He is 10 and has asked me questions about things already. I want to be open and honest the same way I would with my DS, but I don't want to overstep. Instead SS is not getting any information on sex, except for the misinformation his friends spread.

    SS and DH both had parents who were teenagers and were definitely not ready to become parents. You would think they would be having discussions with him, but they both ignore it. At some point, I won't care what either of them think and will just answer all his questions factually and age appropriately. If she can't handle it and flips out I have no problem taking responsibility. DH and BM are both equally responsible for their actions and aren't doing any sort of prevention or education for SS, which is a damn shame because they are just perpetuating the cycle.
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  • Probably mostly because of what I've seen my SS go through.

    Not sure why this is such an incendiary topic.
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    I'm planning to have extensive discussions about sex with my kids. If after those discussions and warnings about consequences they still decide to make adult decisions that I do not believe benefit them, then yes I will intervene with outside sources.

    For little Jen and others who care so deeply about my parenting style- if you've ever read about systems theory no one lives in a bubble.

    Having sex as a teenager is not usually the ONLY issue a child has.

    Usually children choose to do things like this because they are having issues with their self esteem, friend group, peer pressure, educational problems, anxiety, depression et cetera et cetera.

    The bottom line is their brain is not even developed to the point where they are fully capable of rationalizing and understanding the decisions they make that may negatively impact the rest of their lives- that's why they have parents! With rules!

    I think it is wrong to believe kids just experiment with a little pot or sex and it's no big deal...because then you have a baby or an STD or some other situation a CHILD should not be placed in the situation to deal with.

    Children deserve to be children until they at least reach 18 and rules and structure help to instill that they are WORTHY of discipline and WORTHY of high expectations.
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  • Not wanting him to have sex is not incendiary. We are all just flabbergasted that you said if he has sex before marriage he cannot live with you and would have to do INPATIENT therapy, boarding school or military school before he can be part of the family again. That is the part that no one understands.

    So how old were you when you got married and were you a virgin?
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  • Hit post too soon I'm planning to have extensive discussions about sex with my kids. If after those discussions and warnings about consequences they still decide to make adult decisions that I do not believe benefit them, then yes I will intervene with outside sources. For little Jen and others who care so deeply about my parenting style- if you've ever read about systems theory no one lives in a bubble. Having sex as a teenager is not usually the ONLY issue a child has. Usually children choose to do things like this because they are having issues with their self esteem, friend group, peer pressure, educational problems, anxiety, depression et cetera et cetera. The bottom line is their brain is not even developed to the point where they are fully capable of rationalizing and understanding the decisions they make that may negatively impact the rest of their lives- that's why they have parents! With rules! I think it is wrong to believe kids just experiment with a little pot or sex and it's no big deal...because then you have a baby or an STD or some other situation a CHILD should not be placed in the situation to deal with. Children deserve to be children until they at least reach 18 and rules and structure help to instill that they are WORTHY of discipline and WORTHY of high expectations.
    I was just wondering if it was religious reasons. That was all.
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  • No not religious reasons
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    edited October 2013
    Not wanting him to have sex is not incendiary. We are all just flabbergasted that you said if he has sex before marriage he cannot live with you and would have to do INPATIENT therapy, boarding school or military school before he can be part of the family again. That is the part that no one understands. So how old were you when you got married and were you a virgin?
    I dont think that you can jump from kids having sex to premarital sex. They are not exactly the same thing. You can be 20 years old and not be married but still be an adult and understand the consequences that sex can have. Unless I'm wrong and premarital sex is the issue with Nineoceans, and not just underage sex.
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  • What kid doesn't have self esteem issues, depression, educational struggles, peer pressure, etc? Maybe not all, all at one time, but most go through these things in various ways through out the teen years. It's why teenagers tend to be moody, emo, little twits.

    I just don't get it. Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult or what have you. I don't get it at all. Maybe I am looking at this too much from my own personal experiences aka anecdotes for the win, but I just don't think this is the huge deal you are making it out to be. Then again, I tend to be very sex positive and am very comfortable with my own sexuality. To say that you would send your kid away for doing something completely natural seems bizarre and unhealthy to me


  • Not wanting him to have sex is not incendiary. We are all just flabbergasted that you said if he has sex before marriage he cannot live with you and would have to do INPATIENT therapy, boarding school or military school before he can be part of the family again. That is the part that no one understands. So how old were you when you got married and were you a virgin?
    I dont think that you can jump from kids having sex to premarital sex. They are not exactly the same thing. You can be 20 years old and not be married but still be an adult and understand the consequences that sex can have. Unless I'm wrong and premarital sex is the issue with Nineoceans, and not just underage sex.


    She said they cannot live at home and have premarital sex. It was not just aimed at minors.
    Jen - Mom to two December 12 babies Nathaniel 12/12/06 and Addison 12/12/08
  • Spooko said:

    Her statement was that she has zero tolerance for drugs and premarital sex. 

    No not religious reasons
    If it's not for religious reasons, then why are you 100% against premarital sex?
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  • She said because her DH got his girlfriend PG and she has seen what that did to SS. That makes no sense to me. I also have a hard time believing religion is not involved and that she is not part of a very concern active church.
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  • I'm religious and I am/my religion is against premarital sex. However, I had premarital sex and got PG with DS out of wedlock. I don't want my children to have premarital sex, and DH & I are raising them in our religion. I hope my kids make what we believe to be smart choices. We will not allow premarital sex in our home.

    With that being said, I understand that my children may not make the choices I want them to make, just like I didn't make the choices my parents wanted me to make. If my children choose to follow a different religion, that is their choice, and I will respect it. If they choose to follow the same religion I hold, but still engage in premarital sex, then I will love them and show them grace just like Jesus did for us (according to my beliefs.)

    I can't help but think NineOceans approach is going to backfire on her. DH & I want to have open and honest relationships with our kids. We want them to feel like they can always come to us, and we plan to but on our "poker face" and not get angry or emotional at things we may not like hearing when we open up to them.
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  • The one and only thing that is going to happen if you threaten a kid with military school or sending them away to inpatient therapy, is they are going to take every precaution possible to HIDE what they are doing from you. You will never have an open and honest discussion about sex. They will be afraid to talk to you and will get any info and (bad) advice they need elsewhere.

    My kids will always know they can come to me with anything. They will be taught how to protect and respect themselves, how serious sexual consequences are, and why I would like them to wait. Teaching them to respect their bodies and value their future will hopefully be enough.

    I think the notion of sending a teen (possibly a 17 yo) to inpatient therapy or military camp for having consensual sex is absolutely absurd.
  • Yeah I'm going to have to agree that this will probably backfire. I was sexually active as a teen. I did it all at moms house so dad (my home) never knew. I think my dad had an idea when I was a senior. He made me break of with my bf. I still found ways to see him. Because my dad was so anti bf it only made me want him more. I married him a month after I turned 18. Not all stories will be to my extreme but telling me no sex and no bf did not work out.
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  • Little Jen I do not think you care about the answers to those questions and I actually don't think you care about the content of this discussion-- you just like to stir the pot. Hence why you do call out posts and call people trash.

    Let's agree to disagree and move on from this wholly unproductive discussion.
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  • I have one time used the word trash. And when I say this is the second craziest thing I have ever read on here I did not mention what the other one was because the person still posts on here and it had no bearing.

    I am interested to know if you waited until marriage because I think it is very hypocritical that you would put your SS in a mental hospital if he did exactly what his father did and you likely did. But I also realize that here are some times that people an make horrible mistakes and still want their kids to to get real help if they have a problem. But I just cannot get my head around the extreme punishment you would give. You can call me out all you want for being mean and asking questions but pretty much every single person that responded to these posts said the same thing I did and asked similar questions. New people on this board are often told if everyone is saying the same thing and the poster disagrees they probably need to look long and hard at themself. If you don't want to answer my questions because I am just storing the pot, BTW I did not start the second post, then why not respond to some of the other people like Sunday or any of the othe people? And a really honest question, reading replies like Sunday, does that make you think you were too extreme or that we all do not understand? And I was not the one that asked if you were trying just banish the kid.
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  • @Nineoceans I hope you don't think I'm stirring the pot or thinking you're trashy in this post. I didn't mean for it to be a call out post, I just was genuinely wondering if you had religious beliefs behind your intentions, and I didn't want it to get lost in the other discussion.

    We can agree to disagree, but I really hope you put some careful thought into the teen years with SS. You want SS to come to you and DH with any questions, not his peers where he will get bad and inaccurate information.
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    I definitely understand not wanting your child to have premarital sex, and especially not in your home. However, statistics show that the average male loses his virginity at 16.9, and the average female at 17.4. (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/37853719/ns/health-sexual_health/t/surprising-sex-statistics/#.UlQTYlD_mSo)
    Can you imagine how full inpatient facilities would be if all parents utilized them for their child because they had premarital sex? Everyone here is just concerned for your SS, and wants you to truly make an educated decision. Just because you *think* that may be the solution now, have you really researched it? Do all the posters stories have no impact on your decision? You also mentioned boarding school and military school - do you truly believe that will prevent SS from having sex? I worry that all these extreme rules that you're setting up is going to cause SS to be an expert at NOT getting caught, and to be sneaking around you guys. I don't know about you, but I want to KNOW my child, and I want to have an open and honest relationship with them. 

    Why not educate SS on all the reasons you guys hold your beliefs? While he's a minor, it is your job to parent him, and lay out rules for him. DH and I don't want our kids having premarital sex, but all we can really "control" (and I say control loosely, because if a kid is stubborn and adamant about doing something, they will find a way to do it, whether it be sneaking off or lying and manipulating or what have you.) is what happens during their teen years while they are under our roof. We hope that we instill our religious beliefs in them, and we hope that they practice those beliefs as well. We know that while in our house, they won't be allowed in their room with a boyfriend or girlfriend, and we know that at first we will only allow group dates, and then we'll asses their maturity and go from there. DH and I have a good 10ish years to figure this out, but you guys are fast approaching. Do you guys have a plan of action for how to prevent SS from having premarital sex in his teen years? Is SS in agreement with you guys? I forget how old SS is, I think he's 12? 13?
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  • Not wanting him to have sex is not incendiary. We are all just flabbergasted that you said if he has sex before marriage he cannot live with you and would have to do INPATIENT therapy, boarding school or military school before he can be part of the family again. That is the part that no one understands. So how old were you when you got married and were you a virgin?
    I dont think that you can jump from kids having sex to premarital sex. They are not exactly the same thing. You can be 20 years old and not be married but still be an adult and understand the consequences that sex can have. Unless I'm wrong and premarital sex is the issue with Nineoceans, and not just underage sex.
    She said they cannot live at home and have premarital sex. It was not just aimed at minors.
    OK, I missed the original statement.
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  • CurlyQ284CurlyQ284 member
    edited October 2013
    The banishment comment was me. I'm not trying to stir the pot. I want to know what about these consequences makes you think it will give you the desired behavior (not having sex). Boarding school, mental hospitals and military schools don't serve this purpose. So it doesn't seem like you're really trying to SOLVE the 'problem', you're just saying "get out of my house and don't come back". I don't get it.

    Oh and I also don't think LittleJen is a pot stirrer. I get that you're feeling attacked and ganged up on but everyone is saying the same thing. This punishment is extreme.
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  • I don't see any pot stirring. I see a lot of genuine concern, sharing of personal perspectives, and suggestions.

    Maybe you're feeling attacked, but what you're getting is nothing compared to what would happen to a newbie/random poster who posted something like this. 

    And if this was real life, and I heard something like this about one of my kid's friends, I would assume they were joking. Like one of those "my mom said she'd ground me for 5 years if I failed geometry." 

    FWIW, I think teenagers/young adults wanting to have sex is normal and even healthy. I would not punish my child for having premarital sex. I might punish if I somehow found out my child was having unprotected sex.
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  • She said because her DH got his girlfriend PG and she has seen what that did to SS. That makes no sense to me. I also have a hard time believing religion is not involved and that she is not part of a very concern active church.

    Agreed.

    I don't think one can fairly say that kids who had teenage parents or were born out of wedlock are worse off than kids whose parents had an ugly divorce.  I strongly believe it doesn't matter how the child was brought into the world, but how the parents behave during and after the break-up/divorce plays a much bigger part.  There are plenty of kids who get screwed up (as we've all seen on this board) as a result of a bitter BP after a divorce.
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    HAHAHAHAHHA My DH and I are the "trash". Sorry, I just now read the remaining comments on that particular post.

    :butting out now:

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  • @Pamelacake where were you called trash? I couldn't find it.
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  • On my update that the dog was approved by the landlord to live in the house. I understand that we made some rash decisions and shouldn't have but I don't feel that was necessary.

     I bet she and everyone that agreed will have an effing cow since they can't keep track of how many kids are in my home that DH and I have been taking care of a little boy for 5 months now with no assistance from his parents. and that most of our children are "legally" ours but not "biologically" ours, mine or DH's. If that makes us trash then so be it.

     I was told to call CPS about the little boy, I don't want him in the system, he is already unwanted by his parents and he knows it. We have the means to take care of him so that's what we are doing. He knows he is loved by us. I was thinking of making a post about this but didn't want to get flamed for adding another child to the house but WTH. This is supposed to be a site about children and their best interests.

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  • @Pamelacake I wouldn't worry about it. You do what's best for your family. What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. On this board all we're getting is snippets of each others stories, and it's not like we really KNOW someone.

    Having custody of kids doesn't make you trash, I seriously wouldn't let what other people say get to you.
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  • If you read what Jen said and that entire post, she she never once said you were trash because of how many kids you have custody of that aren't yours. I have no idea where that is coming from. It was a culmination of the stories in your last few posts, and it was the picture you were painting of you and your H with the stories you were telling.
  • Honestly Pamela the comments that were in that post were trashy.  And not that it matters much but after hearing your history I have a whole new respect for you, not that you care what I think.  I think there are definitely aspects of your situation that are screwed up but I also have no doubt that if I went through half of what you went through I would not be functioning anywhere near what you are so my hat is off to you.  And I meant to call what was going on to be trashy but not saying you are trash, either way I apologize.
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  • Pamela, I do not agree with everything you do but I do think you do it because you care.  and like I said above, I now see why you care so much.  I do think some things need to be resolved and am glad the dog situation is better.
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  • FWIW I didn't read the post that you guys are talking about, so I don't know the whole story.
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  • Yeah I don't know what post you're referencing. Or to channel some Anchorman

    I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
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  • Ok, I'm lost.  

    Nineoceans, are you actually stating you would seek out military school and inpatient psychiatric hospitalization for pre-marital sex?  
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