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cdnmomma · September 2013

AKPuffin said:

katykatykaty said:

AKPuffin said:

Kalpa521 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

SamJustice said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.

I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

How does that work exactly? How are you going to "protect" yourselves using your gun without shooting it in a public place (where there might be lots of people around) at someone?

You don't have to have a gun to protect yourself and I didn't say that we own any or carry. It is important to be situationally aware of your surroundings and not burying your head in the sand pretending that bad things don't happen. Often times a feeling of uneasiness in a situation shouldn't be ignored. I do however know plenty of people with permits to carry (and probably more that I don't know of) that would NEVER risk taking a shot at a criminal in a crowded place and possibly injuring an innocent bystander. Just because someone carries a weapon doesn't mean they're a "hot head, gun wielding idiot." I guess it's that part of the statement that upset me the most!

I didn't say that EVERYONE carrying a gun is a hot headed gun wielding idiot BUT that I would rather be robbed and hand over my purse or jewelry than risk being shot. And ya I think that many who do carry guns are probably hot headed. In a moment of panic few people react as they would plan. And if a person is holding a gun I would not want that kind of unpredictability.

Geez ladies I'm never gonna get any work done today!!

kstar83 · September 2013

SO I would think that most people that go to/belong to a church don't blanketly believe in every single thing a church institution stands for. I never have, and have gone to different churches of different denominations my entire life. When we tithe to our church we are actually involved in voting to where certain monies go (other than general lease, salaries etc.) Much of the churches money goes to charitable ventures.

I am fine with people carrying guns, and most of you have probably been around a ton of people carrying and would never know it, and you didn't get shot by a hot head gun carrying redneck in the process. I don't carry because I feel like I have not taken the time to properly educated and train myself to feel safe doing so. Their are morons who carry guns and dangerous morons who don't.

I guess I spend less time judging others on their choices, and more time trying to make my life everything that I want it to be.

OH PS: Barilla pasta said they would never put a non-traditional family in their commercials because they don't support gay marriage. And cheerios got TONS of backlash for their multi race family commercial. This world is stupid, if we all just focused on being better people we wouldn't have time for all this crap. That little girl was the cutest thing ever.

iheartbooks · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

AKPuffin said:

katykatykaty said:

AKPuffin said:

Kalpa521 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

SamJustice said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.

I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

How does that work exactly? How are you going to "protect" yourselves using your gun without shooting it in a public place (where there might be lots of people around) at someone?

You don't have to have a gun to protect yourself and I didn't say that we own any or carry. It is important to be situationally aware of your surroundings and not burying your head in the sand pretending that bad things don't happen. Often times a feeling of uneasiness in a situation shouldn't be ignored. I do however know plenty of people with permits to carry (and probably more that I don't know of) that would NEVER risk taking a shot at a criminal in a crowded place and possibly injuring an innocent bystander. Just because someone carries a weapon doesn't mean they're a "hot head, gun wielding idiot." I guess it's that part of the statement that upset me the most!

I'm very aware that bad things happen and definitely don't bury my head in the sand. I just see more bad things happening BECAUSE of guns (like accidental shootings) and not being prevented because of guns, as so many gun-rights proponents argue.

This.

Also, several people that I know who have gun permits, I would not be comfortable with in an emergency situation where you might need protection. I don't think they truly respect how dangerous a gun can be if used irresponsibly, which then makes me wonder how many others out there are similarly disrespectful of the seriousness of a gun and yet own one for "protection".

KTdid81 · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.

You're right. It is gross. I don't carry a gun, but my husband wants me to. Especially now that I am pregnant. It's sad that I live where I need a gun to protect myself. Criminals are getting more brazen everyday. Those who think that banning guns will solve that problem.....good luck with that.

linzerd · September 2013

nikkys2008 said:

MadApple said:

There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

I am so curious and I want to know too!! Spill! Or PM me if you don't want to say publicly! People are ridiculous when they say things like that. It's 2013!!!
She posted it and the links to what she said.

Oopsie, I missed it while I was reading. Sorry! Going to eat some deli meat now for lunch!

cdnmomma · September 2013

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...

Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

katykatykaty · September 2013

KTdid81 said:

katykatykaty said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.

You're right. It is gross. I don't carry a gun, but my husband wants me to. Especially now that I am pregnant. It's sad that I live where I need a gun to protect myself. Criminals are getting more brazen everyday. Those who think that banning guns will solve that problem.....good luck with that.

Where do you live? I never get the location argument either. I lived in New Orleans for years (during Katrina) and never felt like I needed a gun to protect myself.

Mcsweets · September 2013

OH and PS I love my gun, and I especially love having it when my husband is out of town for work...

clo1982 · September 2013

SuheyF1983 said:

SuheyF1983 said:

clo1982 said:

Just curious...do those who opt not to support institutions that donate to certain anti-cause groups also not donate in church (obviously only applies if you are religious)? Made me think of it cause the Catholic church is pretty much anti-everything except anti-catholic church.. but I know tons of people who actively support the church (much of which does not directly support their actual church facility/operation) but will not eat at Chic Filet and were all up in arms about the whole boyscouts thing a while back.
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?
Right!

Same here. I went to a Catholic school most of my life but now that I am older and can understand some of their stances, I am a bit disillusioned by the whole thing. My MIL said it well, I thought, when she said "I am a big supporter of MY definition of religion...not the religion the church is now forcing down our throat that has nothing to do with actual faith." Not trying to start a religious uproar here, I was just curious because it seems there is a tie between supporting businesses who agree/fund things and supporting the church that also agrees/funds the same causes.

And yes, totally agree on the contraceptives!! There was one family growing up that had 8 kids and proudly told everyone how they followed the bible and didn't believe in contraception. It was like well holy hell people, maybe you better start believing in it!!

iheartbooks · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...

Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage.

babylimas · September 2013

I choose to support my local Chick-fil-a franchise because the owner is actively involved in the community and supports my local community organizations, including my child's school. She provides fair paying jobs to local people with benefits. Provides scholarships to local kids, and even provides a clean place for us to eat. (All of which are unlike other fast food places.) That is the basis for my decision to eat CFA. An argument inferring opinions based on that decision is contrived.

If you feel like your decision not to eat a chicken sandwich is doing some greater good, go for it. I, instead, choose to eat the sandwich, and donate my time and energy to actually volunteering and participating in the gay rights movements. We all have our own scales.

cdnmomma · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...

Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage.

I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

jwls84 · September 2013

I live in Canada, we don't own guns (for the most part) and we don't have chickfila.
Sometimes when these posts turn into American political debates I shut off because I have nothing to contribute (for the most part)

iheartbooks · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...

Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage.

I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

Except that I know gay people who think that exact thing, and it would be ridiculous to say that they don't understand or are not an ally to the gay community. Like I said, I don't think the issue is that black and white.

cdnmomma · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...
Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage.

I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

Except that I know gay people who think that exact thing, and it would be ridiculous to say that they don't understand or are not an ally to the gay community. Like I said, I don't think the issue is that black and white.

Two words: internalized oppression.

avigailandcharlie · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:
It drives me bananas when someone posts a question on Facebook that a two second google search could have answered.

I get what you're saying but I have the opposite complaint: I hate when you ask a question on social media (or directly to someone) because you want an opinion and a recommendation, and people return with something like "look on yelp" or Pinterest or whatever. Duh, I'm not an idiot, but sometimes I like starting with trusted sources.

iheartbooks · September 2013

avigailandcharlie said:

Minnow1984 said:
It drives me bananas when someone posts a question on Facebook that a two second google search could have answered.
I get what you're saying but I have the opposite complaint: I hate when you ask a question on social media (or directly to someone) because you want an opinion and a recommendation, and people return with something like "look on yelp" or Pinterest or whatever. Duh, I'm not an idiot, but sometimes I like starting with trusted sources.

Haha fair enough. I think asking for opinions is a little different. I'm talking more about questions like, "which mcdonalds is closest to Main Street & 3rd," or things like that. By the time you put that on Facebook and wait for and view responses, you could have just found the answer yourself.

avigailandcharlie · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

clo1982 said:

Just curious...do those who opt not to support institutions that donate to certain anti-cause groups also not donate in church (obviously only applies if you are religious)? Made me think of it cause the Catholic church is pretty much anti-everything except anti-catholic church.. but I know tons of people who actively support the church (much of which does not directly support their actual church facility/operation) but will not eat at Chic Filet and were all up in arms about the whole boyscouts thing a while back.

The fact that most churches are anti-most things is why I'm not religious. I am technically a member of a Unitarian chuch, and I have given money to them, but they are not anti-anything.

Reform Judaism (through the union for Reform Judaism or URJ), is very open and accepting. They allow gay clergy etc, and I am to our to support my synagogue and movement :-)

AlwaysSunny08 · September 2013

msBlackandGold said:
I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?

I couldn't agree more. I support gay marriage and love chickfila's food!

cdnmomma · September 2013

AlwaysSunny08 said:

msBlackandGold said:
I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?
I couldn't agree more. I support gay marriage and love chickfila's food!

Seriously? I don't get it. At all. If a man opened up a restaurant and it was public knowledge that the organizations money was funding groups that support violence against women and I not only chose to eat there but said things like 'People who boycott them are stupid', I could not in good conscious call myself a feminist.

Nickiechan · September 2013

But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!

avigailandcharlie · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:

avigailandcharlie said:

Minnow1984 said:
It drives me bananas when someone posts a question on Facebook that a two second google search could have answered.
I get what you're saying but I have the opposite complaint: I hate when you ask a question on social media (or directly to someone) because you want an opinion and a recommendation, and people return with something like "look on yelp" or Pinterest or whatever. Duh, I'm not an idiot, but sometimes I like starting with trusted sources.
Haha fair enough. I think asking for opinions is a little different. I'm talking more about questions like, "which mcdonalds is closest to Main Street & 3rd," or things like that. By the time you put that on Facebook and wait for and view responses, you could have just found the answer yourself.

Yes, totally agree! I guess you're made me think of a similar one, but they're not the same. Ugh I hate when people do that though. Oh my god google it??? Why didn't I think of that?

cdnmomma · September 2013

Nickiechan said:
But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex
marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in
an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!

Omg!! A person who says 'just because someone is opposed to same sex marriage doesn't equal hate' cannot possibly be a supporter of gay marriage!!!!! I don't want to dislike you personally but you are making it very hard. Honestly that's like saying just because you're opposed to interracial marriage doesn't mean you're racist. Pick up a book. Stop being so ignorant.

AKPuffin · September 2013

Mcsweets said:

OH and PS I love my gun, and I especially love having it when my husband is out of town for work...

@Mcsweets I bet your gun would have a quicker response time in a crisis than the police could give you! Pepper spray makes me feel safe when I'm out and about running my errands alone. That might be something to consider if you're opposed to owning/carrying a gun.

Nickiechan · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!
Omg!! A person who says 'just because someone is opposed to same sex marriage doesn't equal hate' cannot possibly be a supporter of gay marriage!!!!! I don't want to dislike you personally but you are making it very hard. Honestly that's like saying just because you're opposed to interracial marriage doesn't mean you're racist. Pick up a book. Stop being so ignorant.

Sigh... I can see myself being totally misinterpreted in this thread... This is flame free confession Friday right??

springbaby03 · September 2013

I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding maniac.

@kalpa521

What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO!
If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force.
God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

katykatykaty · September 2013

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!
Omg!! A person who says 'just because someone is opposed to same sex marriage doesn't equal hate' cannot possibly be a supporter of gay marriage!!!!! I don't want to dislike you personally but you are making it very hard. Honestly that's like saying just because you're opposed to interracial marriage doesn't mean you're racist. Pick up a book. Stop being so ignorant.

Sigh... I am can see myself being totally misinterpreted in this thread... This is flame free confession Friday right??

It's never flame-free. And I too disagree with your statement that opposing gay marriage doesn't equal hate. I don't see how it could equal anything else.

But I agree on the sigh part, too... I've had this argument so many times, and it's tiring. We're always going to disagree.

katykatykaty · September 2013

springbaby03 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.
@kalpa521 What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO! If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force. God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

@springbaby03

Liz would be sad that you used her picture for that rant.

ETA: But on a serious note, no I've never been in that situation. But I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't want some random person "defending" me in that situation by pointing a gun at the criminal who was pointing a gun at me. Who knows what that would cause him to do... Likely freak out and shoot everyone. I'd rather hand over whatever he's asking for and hope that he doesn't shoot me anyway.

cdnmomma · September 2013

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex
marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in
an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!
Omg!! A person who says 'just because someone is opposed to same sex marriage doesn't equal hate' cannot possibly be a supporter of gay marriage!!!!! I don't want to dislike you personally but you are making it very hard. Honestly that's like saying just because you're opposed to interracial marriage doesn't mean you're racist. Pick up a book. Stop being so ignorant.

Sigh... I am can see myself being totally misinterpreted in this thread... This is flame free confession Friday right??

There's been lots of opportunity to clarify if you feel you have been misinterpreted. I did. My problem with your post is that you claim to support gay marriage. How? How do you do that? By excusing and minimizing the hatred of the president of cfa? By calling those who choose to take a stand and boycott the establishment on principal stupid? Or by saying that just because you don't agree with gay marriage doesn't equal hate? None of that shows your support for gay marriage and in fact shows the opposite. Has little to do with whether or not you eat there. More about the comments that are contradictory.

lalaith50 · September 2013

ellajune2012 said:
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

katykatykaty · September 2013

lalaith50 said:

ellajune2012 said:
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

@lalaith50 Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how is practicing FAM any different than using contraceptives? They're both preventing getting pregnant. Wouldn't Jesus be against both of them?

Nickiechan · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

But...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/chick-fil-says-it-will-stop-funding-anti-gay-groups-1B5984550

"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," Chick-fil-A wrote in an emailed statement to NBC News.

Just because someone is 'opposed to same-sex marriage' doesn't equal hate... It is a personal opinion!!
Omg!! A person who says 'just because someone is opposed to same sex marriage doesn't equal hate' cannot possibly be a supporter of gay marriage!!!!! I don't want to dislike you personally but you are making it very hard. Honestly that's like saying just because you're opposed to interracial marriage doesn't mean you're racist. Pick up a book. Stop being so ignorant.

Sigh... I am can see myself being totally misinterpreted in this thread... This is flame free confession Friday right??

It's never flame-free. And I too disagree with your statement that opposing gay marriage doesn't equal hate. I don't see how it could equal anything else.
But I agree on the sigh part, too... I've had this argument so many times, and it's tiring. We're always going to disagree.

Agree... never flame free :P
Well I apologize for my 'hate' comment and I am do not want to defend anyone who is hateful towards anyone... I guess everyone who is opposed of gay marriage is hateful... but I would LOVE to let this one die, so this will be my last comment on the subject... I hate drama.

cdnmomma · September 2013

springbaby03 said:

katykatykaty said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

SamJustice said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.

I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.

@kalpa521
What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO!
If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force.
God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

Here's to hoping! Keeping my fingers crossed! And btw - you have no idea what I have and have not faced when it comes to violence so back the F off.

YankeePeach08 · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.
I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable' Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...
Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.
I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage. I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

Except that I know gay people who think that exact thing, and it would be ridiculous to say that they don't understand or are not an ally to the gay community. Like I said, I don't think the issue is that black and white.

Oh great...now we are going to bring race into this...I'm off to get some popcorn :P

bumpuser9058414 · September 2013

My confession is that I'm glad there is no Chick-fil-A anywhere near me so I don't have to decide between my love for delicious chicken and my love for gay people's rights.

springbaby03 · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

springbaby03 said:

katykatykaty said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

SamJustice said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.

I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.

@kalpa521
What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO!
If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force.
God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

Here's to hoping! Keeping my fingers crossed! And btw - you have no idea what I have and have not faced when it comes to violence so back the F off.

Or what? Nothing.
Your more transparent than you'd like to be. Shut the hell up with your ignorant never been there comments then ill back off.

cdnmomma · September 2013

springbaby03 said:
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding maniac.

@kalpa521

What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO!
If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force.
God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

Also I'm curious what specifically I said that has you so angered?

katykatykaty · September 2013

springbaby03 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.
@kalpa521 What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO! If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force. God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid. Here's to hoping! Keeping my fingers crossed! And btw - you have no idea what I have and have not faced when it comes to violence so back the F off.

Or what? Nothing. Your more transparent than you'd like to be. Shut the hell up with your ignorant never been there comments then ill back off.

Yikes. Maybe it's time for a Bump break.

cdnmomma · September 2013

@springbaby03 seriously I would like you to quote what it is I said that angered you so much.

ellajune2012 · September 2013

lalaith50 said:

ellajune2012 said:
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

Clearly you know nothing about me, or I would laugh in your face. Yeah, I'm well aware of women's cycle and how fertility works - I know more than I would ever want to know. Years of TTC, charting, opks etc. will do that to a person. That being said I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that most Catholics I know are using that to avoid getting pregnant. And even if they were, they would still be violating the "purpose" of sex according to the Catholic church, so they would still be going against "official" teachings. Unless these teachings have changed since my 20+ years of listening to priests and other Catholics going on about them, that is.

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