FFFC

katykatykaty · September 2013

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

But it's one thing for the owner to have the views... It's another for them to be donating company money to violent anti-gay groups.

cdnmomma · September 2013

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

iheartbooks · September 2013

Another thing I hate: cryptic dot dot dot post headlines. As in "It's a...", "I want to...", or "Well, now I..." Just tell me in the headline what the damn post is about. If it's worth posting it should be interesting enough that people will still click on it even if they *gasp* know what the post is actually about.

BrideNamedMeg · September 2013

My kid's don't eat McDonald's, but MH and I don't either. I don't think you can hold your kids to a higher standard than you hold yourself! That's one of the few things I said before I was a Mom that I've followed through on, however we hit up the Dunkin' Donuts drive through so often, DS started asking for a bagel the other day when I drove up to the ATM

babylimas · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

But it's one thing for the owner to have the views... It's another for them to be donating company money to violent anti-gay groups.

Sure, I agree with that. But I was saying that her choice to eat there is not a clear indication of support. My own gay brother who is actively involved in the HRC eats at CFA frequently. My whole point was her conclusion lacked merit.

babylimas · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.
I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable' Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Gotcha. Well then I will leave that part up to the OP to explain.

iheartbooks · September 2013

BrideNamedMeg said:
My kid's don't eat McDonald's, but MH and I don't either. I don't think you can hold your kids to a higher standard than you hold yourself! That's one of the few things I said before I was a Mom that I've followed through on, however we hit up the Dunkin' Donuts drive through so often, DS started asking for a bagel the other day when I drove up to the ATM

Hahaha too funny!

clo1982 · September 2013

Just curious...do those who opt not to support institutions that donate to certain anti-cause groups also not donate in church (obviously only applies if you are religious)? Made me think of it cause the Catholic church is pretty much anti-everything except anti-catholic church.. but I know tons of people who actively support the church (much of which does not directly support their actual church facility/operation) but will not eat at Chic Filet and were all up in arms about the whole boyscouts thing a while back.

ellajune2012 · September 2013

One of DH's cousins has am almost 1-year old baby that she will occasionally post pictures of on FB. I feel horrible for saying this, but every time I see her all I can think is "man, that is one ugly baby" Obviously I don't say it out loud, but I'm still thinking it.

katykatykaty · September 2013

clo1982 said:

Just curious...do those who opt not to support institutions that donate to certain anti-cause groups also not donate in church (obviously only applies if you are religious)? Made me think of it cause the Catholic church is pretty much anti-everything except anti-catholic church.. but I know tons of people who actively support the church (much of which does not directly support their actual church facility/operation) but will not eat at Chic Filet and were all up in arms about the whole boyscouts thing a while back.

The fact that most churches are anti-most things is why I'm not religious. I am technically a member of a Unitarian chuch, and I have given money to them, but they are not anti-anything.

cdnmomma · September 2013

MadApple said:
There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

What?! I'm appalled that someone would say that. I must have missed it. Are you feeling bold enough to share who it is? I'd like to know.

msBlackandGold · September 2013

FFFC #2:

I was tired and lazy earlier this week, and decided to go to my grandparent's house after work because my mom always makes them dinner. I wasn't hungry, but DD had to eat....so she ate with them. My mom enjoyed her granddaughter time, my grandparents enjoyed seeing their great granddaughter....and I didn't have to cook or clean. Win win win!

linzerd · September 2013

I hate it when people say things like "you can't claim a name" or "there's no dibs on names". Um, yes you fucking can! If I have a name picked out and have wanted to name my child that name since I was a child myself, and someone I know, and knows I want that name, then tries to use it themselves, I might cut a bitch.

My Aunt did this to my mother. My mother always wanted to name her daughter Amanda Jean and my Aunt had my cousin 10 mos. before I was born and stole the name, so my Mom had to pick a new name and decided to name me Lindsay Jean, which ironically, I like my name better anyway. But still, totally NOT cool to steal a name from someone, IMO.

msBlackandGold · September 2013

I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?

katykatykaty · September 2013

MadApple said:

There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

I must have missed it, too. I can't believe someone would say something like that on a public forum, even if that's how they actually feel.

AKPuffin · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

katykatykaty · September 2013

AKPuffin said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

How does that work exactly? How are you going to "protect" yourselves using your gun without shooting it in a public place (where there might be lots of people around) at someone?

legallyginger · September 2013

I do have one question for those of you tha boycott Chick Fil A- do you also boycott Target? I remember a while back that it came out that their CEO donated money to anti-gay groups as well.

I think the sad truth is that many (probably most) CEOs of large companies support, campaign for, and donate to causes that people don't support. Like CFA and Target, or even Nike and Apple running their (more or less) sweatshops in China. Or Chiquita (I forget what the story was with them- Columbian gangs or something? I'm mobile and too lazy to look it up).

There is obviously nothing wrong with choosing to not shop at these places, but I can't fault anyone else for thinking of it as a futile gesture.

ellajune2012 · September 2013

msBlackandGold said:

I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?

I don't eat at most fast-food places and I'm not sure there is even a Chick-Fil-A anywhere in my area, so the boycott doesn't mean much to me one way or the other, but to answer your other question, yes, I have stopped shopping at certain stores when I learn they don't treat their workers right or do things I am firmly against as a company-wide policy.

The most recent, (and hardest for me to stick to because I shopped at Gap and Old Navy fairly regularly), has been Gap's complete refusal to endorse better safety measures for their garment workers in Bangladesh after the tragic fires that killed people there several months ago. I get that "stuff" happens, but some of the other retailers that had clothes made there, like H&M, got on board with the new rules right away whereas Gap and Walmart's reaction was to ignore it completely, and only after a lot of outcry on their social media sites did they decide they wanted to follow an "alternate" agreement that was basically non-binding.

So I might not go out of my way to dig into a company's policy, I do act on things that I find make me personally uncomfortable. Wondering whether the people making my clothes are safe makes me very uncomfortable.

katykatykaty · September 2013

ellajune2012 said:

msBlackandGold said:

I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?

I don't eat at most fast-food places and I'm not sure there is even a Chick-Fil-A anywhere in my area, so the boycott doesn't mean much to me one way or the other, but to answer your other question, yes, I have stopped shopping at certain stores when I learn they don't treat their workers right or do things I am firmly against as a company-wide policy.

The most recent, (and hardest for me to stick to because I shopped at Gap and Old Navy fairly regularly), has been Gap's complete refusal to endorse better safety measures for their garment workers in Bangladesh after the tragic fires that killed people there several months ago. I get that "stuff" happens, but some of the other retailers that had clothes made there, like H&M, got on board with the new rules right away whereas Gap and Walmart's reaction was to ignore it completely, and only after a lot of outcry on their social media sites did they decide they wanted to follow an "alternate" agreement that was basically non-binding.

So I might not go out of my way to dig into a company's policy, I do act on things that I find make me personally uncomfortable. Wondering whether the people making my clothes are safe makes me very uncomfortable.

Ugh, I hadn't heard that about Gap and Old Navy. And Target has been harder for me to avoid @legallyginger. I just do what I can... I'd like to think that even a little bit makes a difference.

bumpuser9058414 · September 2013

@madapple I think I know who it is but I want to be sure!

ellajune2012 · September 2013

SuheyF1983 said:

clo1982 said:

Just curious...do those who opt not to support institutions that donate to certain anti-cause groups also not donate in church (obviously only applies if you are religious)? Made me think of it cause the Catholic church is pretty much anti-everything except anti-catholic church.. but I know tons of people who actively support the church (much of which does not directly support their actual church facility/operation) but will not eat at Chic Filet and were all up in arms about the whole boyscouts thing a while back.

I was raised Catholic but do not practice or financially support the church anymore precisely because of their anti-gay and anti-woman stances.
I am catholic, born and raised BUT I do NOT hate and I support gay marriage. Oh and I also believe in contraceptives. Call me whatever you want but I have a good heart. I believe in some of the teachings of the Catholic Church but I also believe in what my parents taught me.

I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

HappyWife01 · September 2013

MadApple said:

There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

I remember someone saying that, but I can't remember who. I should start a post-it of posters who are stupid and say shitty things.

iheartbooks · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

ellajune2012 said:

msBlackandGold said:

I don't eat CFA often, but mostly because I ate it almost daily in college and got burnt out! But for those who boycott it for the reason that the owner is anti-gay marriage, do you look into where all the other companies you spend your money with donate their proceeds? The only reason we know about CFA is because it was publicized. What about McDonalds? Walmart? Target? Clothing stores? Cell phone service? Insurance companies? ... and everywhere else we shop and spend our money?

I don't eat at most fast-food places and I'm not sure there is even a Chick-Fil-A anywhere in my area, so the boycott doesn't mean much to me one way or the other, but to answer your other question, yes, I have stopped shopping at certain stores when I learn they don't treat their workers right or do things I am firmly against as a company-wide policy.

The most recent, (and hardest for me to stick to because I shopped at Gap and Old Navy fairly regularly), has been Gap's complete refusal to endorse better safety measures for their garment workers in Bangladesh after the tragic fires that killed people there several months ago. I get that "stuff" happens, but some of the other retailers that had clothes made there, like H&M, got on board with the new rules right away whereas Gap and Walmart's reaction was to ignore it completely, and only after a lot of outcry on their social media sites did they decide they wanted to follow an "alternate" agreement that was basically non-binding.

So I might not go out of my way to dig into a company's policy, I do act on things that I find make me personally uncomfortable. Wondering whether the people making my clothes are safe makes me very uncomfortable.

Ugh, I hadn't heard that about Gap and Old Navy. And Target has been harder for me to avoid @legallyginger. I just do what I can... I'd like to think that even a little bit makes a difference.

I think a little bit does make a difference, because if everyone does a little bit it can make a difference. I hate it when people say their five dollars doesn't matter, because if everyone says that then nothing changes. But if I do my little bit and maybe just maybe some others do too, we can make a difference. Plus, I feel better about myself not putting my money towards causes I don't support, and I think that's a reward in itself too.

legallyginger · September 2013

Hey, more power to you ladies for sticking to your guns. I was just genuinely curious, because so many people (around the country, not here) immediately jumped on the boycott bandwagon when there are SO many companies that do reprehensible things, but the same people let it slide because it's not on the news. I dunno, maybe I'm disillusioned, but I feel like a large majority of companies have some dirty laundry- I had no idea about Gap for instance. If I took a stand on one, I would feel obligated to look into every place a shopped and I feel like that would end with me wanting to go live off the grid in Alaska farming my own food and making my own clothes.

cdnmomma · September 2013

MadApple said:

Kalpa521 said:

MadApple said:
There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.
What?! I'm appalled that someone would say that. I must have missed it. Are you feeling bold enough to share who it is? I'd like to know.

Oh, and I am definitely bold enough - Maddeegal.

The quote is from this thread: https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/comment/76211316/#Comment_76211316

And this is the October 2013 thread she made her original comments in: https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12044770/htt-swallowing/p1

Thanks for sharing. Wow. Just wow.

AriaAmante143 · September 2013

MadApple said:

Kalpa521 said:

MadApple said:
There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.
What?! I'm appalled that someone would say that. I must have missed it. Are you feeling bold enough to share who it is? I'd like to know.

Oh, and I am definitely bold enough - Maddeegal.

The quote is from this thread: https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/comment/76211316/#Comment_76211316

And this is the October 2013 thread she made her original comments in: https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12044770/htt-swallowing/p1

How did I forget about this??? Wow...

ellajune2012 · September 2013

legallyginger said:

Hey, more power to you ladies for sticking to your guns. I was just genuinely curious, because so many people (around the country, not here) immediately jumped on the boycott bandwagon when there are SO many companies that do reprehensible things, but the same people let it slide because it's not on the news. I dunno, maybe I'm disillusioned, but I feel like a large majority of companies have some dirty laundry- I had no idea about Gap for instance. If I took a stand on one, I would feel obligated to look into every place a shopped and I feel like that would end with me wanting to go live off the grid in Alaska farming my own food and making my own clothes.

Believe me, I had those thoughts too. It's frustrating. I really wanted to ignore that one but I was following it all on their FB and Twitter and I feel like they just made such a huge mess of the entire situation that I couldn't in good conscience go back there. In the end we all pick and choose our battles - it might sound bad but I can let something like donating to a cause I don't agree with go a little more easily than blatantly not caring about the safety of your own workers.

Nickiechan · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.
I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable' Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

jwls84 · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

MadApple said:

There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

I must have missed it, too. I can't believe someone would say something like that on a public forum, even if that's how they actually feel.

I don't recall someone saying that. Is it someone who doesn't have a pic in their Avatar? Because I never remember you if you don't have an avatar (mainly because I mobile bump and can't see siggies)

angelsnight · September 2013

SmittyPants said:

Nickiechan said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I don't think it's stupid at all. The owner of the company is very likely using profits from that company, your money, towards groups whose aim is to not allow gay people to marry. I don't want my money going towards supporting something with which I don't agree.

Playing devil's advocate here....but lot's of business owners spend their profits, your money, on a lot of things you probably wouldn't support. I'm not talking polical stuff or illegal stuff, I'm just talking everyday stuff in their lifestyle. Porn? Eating horribly? Bought a TV for every room of his house including closets? The list can go on and on. When you give your money to a business, you are supporting that company owner's lifestyle and there are a plethora of things he may or may not do with his money that you might not agree with.

I say judge a owner/CEO whathaveyou based on how he runs a company and treats you when you visit the establishment. If they give good service, a good product and it's a nice place to work, who cares what they do in their personal life?

cdnmomma · September 2013

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

AKPuffin · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

AKPuffin said:

Kalpa521 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

SamJustice said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.

I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

How does that work exactly? How are you going to "protect" yourselves using your gun without shooting it in a public place (where there might be lots of people around) at someone?

You don't have to have a gun to protect yourself and I didn't say that we own any or carry. It is important to be situationally aware of your surroundings and not burying your head in the sand pretending that bad things don't happen. Often times a feeling of uneasiness in a situation shouldn't be ignored. I do however know plenty of people with permits to carry (and probably more that I don't know of) that would NEVER risk taking a shot at a criminal in a crowded place and possibly injuring an innocent bystander. Just because someone carries a weapon doesn't mean they're a "hot head, gun wielding idiot." I guess it's that part of the statement that upset me the most!

angelsnight · September 2013

MH is a landscaper and he hates his job. He is very knowledgeable about plants, where they survive best, their latin names, how they react in different climates, etc. But with no degree, his current and his past jobs just use him for grunt work.

He constantly talks about quitting and just going to work at a fast food place or something, saying that when he worked at one in high school it was great. He doesn't make amazing money right now, but we do ok and I know he cannot make that much at a fast food place. There are a million reasons why I think it's a horrible idea, but one of the main ones is I would be embarrased if he worked at a fast food place. We're in our 30s, we have a decent house and we have a baby on the way, I don't want him working there.

He is very qualified to work at any number of places, but the economy sucks and without a degree or specific experience doing that specific job, he just doesn't get any bites. However I am the one applying for the good jobs for him, he never even looks. He just expects someone to show up at the front door and offer him a great job. But when he gets really tired of his job he just wants to quit and go get a stupid job that probably won't make the bills.

katykatykaty · September 2013

angelsnight said:

SmittyPants said:

Nickiechan said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I don't think it's stupid at all. The owner of the company is very likely using profits from that company, your money, towards groups whose aim is to not allow gay people to marry. I don't want my money going towards supporting something with which I don't agree.

Playing devil's advocate here....but lot's of business owners spend their profits, your money, on a lot of things you probably wouldn't support. I'm not talking polical stuff or illegal stuff, I'm just talking everyday stuff in their lifestyle. Porn? Eating horribly? Bought a TV for every room of his house including closets? The list can go on and on. When you give your money to a business, you are supporting that company owner's lifestyle and there are a plethora of things he may or may not do with his money that you might not agree with.

I say judge a owner/CEO whathaveyou based on how he runs a company and treats you when you visit the establishment. If they give good service, a good product and it's a nice place to work, who cares what they do in their personal life?

But again, what the CEO does with his personal profits is, at least to me, different than what the corporation does as a whole. The company itself - Chic-Fil-A - was making the donations to ant-gay groups. Not the CEO.

ETA: Although I'm guessing he was making donations with his own money, too.

Nickiechan · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.
I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable' Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...

linzerd · September 2013

MadApple said:

There is a person on this board that I am surprised is still around. She laid low for a while and resurfaced recently. No one seems to notice or care that they she has said really shitty things: An example - "And quite honestly, I don't want my children to be gay, the idea of men doing men sounds gross!"

Maybe the people that are being nice and responding to her posts are new or didn't see her comments that day, but I cannot stand her, and I cringe every time I see her post.

I am so curious and I want to know too!! Spill! Or PM me if you don't want to say publicly! People are ridiculous when they say things like that. It's 2013!!!

Mcsweets · September 2013

We've known the genders for almost 3 weeks and haven't told anyone yet (except you guys!)...

We keep lying saying we don't know yet because I want to do something "special" but don't want to do a full-on gender reveal. *sigh* My indecisiveness is causing extreme procrastination.

katykatykaty · September 2013

AKPuffin said:

AKPuffin said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

The last statement is the reason my H and I agreed that if a situation arose we'd only protect ourselves and each other. That way those who disagree with the training and permit that gives private citizens the right to carry are on their own.

How does that work exactly? How are you going to "protect" yourselves using your gun without shooting it in a public place (where there might be lots of people around) at someone?
You don't have to have a gun to protect yourself and I didn't say that we own any or carry. It is important to be situationally aware of your surroundings and not burying your head in the sand pretending that bad things don't happen. Often times a feeling of uneasiness in a situation shouldn't be ignored. I do however know plenty of people with permits to carry (and probably more that I don't know of) that would NEVER risk taking a shot at a criminal in a crowded place and possibly injuring an innocent bystander. Just because someone carries a weapon doesn't mean they're a "hot head, gun wielding idiot." I guess it's that part of the statement that upset me the most!

I'm very aware that bad things happen and definitely don't bury my head in the sand. I just see more bad things happening BECAUSE of guns (like accidental shootings) and not being prevented because of guns, as so many gun-rights proponents argue.

KTdid81 · September 2013

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.
I'd rather be robbed than risk being shot by some hot head gun wielding idiot.

You must live in a safer place than I do. Here people who rob others are usually the ones that shoot others. People who actually have a permit to carry their weapons aren't the criminals.

Just yesterday a man was robbed at a grocery store parking lot. He handed over his wallet and phone and the criminal still shot him. The man pull his gun, that he had a permit for, and shot the criminal. Both went to the hospital.

I guess I need to move to a safer place than depend on those hot headed gun permit owning "idiots" to save me. - Insert eye-rolling emoticon here -

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