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Rrrrrachel · September 2013

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

katieharpiceland · September 2013

maelic said:

What I've learned from this thread:

1) European men are either collectively unmanly or walking around with festering penises.
2) Metrosexual men are bad because they shower twice a day.
3) Women who have an opinion are hormonal.
4) Women should defer to penis-bearers for any decisions about circumcision, despite the fact that said penis-bearers never apparently learned how to wash their junk once in a while.

Hmmm.

Brilliant!!

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Rrrrrachel said:

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

I have to say I have been a parent for seven years and been on the bump that long and the whole only sissy men shower and keep clean pretty much turned this into the most ridiculous circ debate I have seen around these parts.

Kristy774 · September 2013

What does XP'd mean?

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

Yeah but most of it was pretty decent. That whole side trip we definitely weird, though. No one even brought up nazis.

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

Except several people did bring up some actual facts, etc. I know everybody likes to pick on April for being crazy, but looking at the worst ten percent and acting like that describes the whole thing is getting oooooold.

fiendelle · September 2013

Scarlett&Gatsby said:

fiendelle said:

Scarlett&Gatsby said:

fiendelle said:

Well, we did the research, and after, I turned to hubby and said- 'I feel bad you were cut'. We did not circ and to me it seems pointless. It is in fact genital mutilation- it was started by the church to decrease sensitivity in a guy's penis so he'll masturbate less- i'm not joking- look it up- and that's almost the most sane reason- others included decreasing lunacy and blindness. When I learned this, I was horrified and opted out (up until doing any research I just figured we would circ- why? cuz all the dudes of my generation have it done and I was ignorant and had never had a reason to look in to it.) Of course it's a personal choice and I don't think any less of friends etc. that choose to do it, but I never would.

Duuuude, circumcision is Levitical law. We're talking a good 1500 years before the church even came into existence! I'm not interested in debating circ'ing with anybody, but your research is hella off.
I mean, you know Jews practice circumcision as a religious rite, don't you?
It's certainly possible that circumcision became popular among Christians for that reason, but claiming that the Church invented circumcision is just plain ignorant.

It's cool if you don't agree- again, i'm not making up what I researched. If you choose, you can look it up for yourself. I was shocked at what I learned and opted out. As I already stated, it is a personal choice and yours to make and what you choose doesn't affect me and I would never judge it. I'm sure it won't be hard to find the info I presented- it was easy enough for me. Almost all of my info was given to me by my MW- research for and against. The 'for' just didn't make sense to me, so I made my choice. It's all good. My claim is not ignorant, it's well researched. You do know that levitical law is of the church?- I don't quite understand your argument, but it's cool. Nothing against the church either, but they got this one wrong. Happy researching! Time for sleep. Maybe i'll catch ya again tomorrow. Peace!

This is so extremely disrespectful to Jewish people and the Jewish faith, I seriously have no words.
ETA: I'm not talking about your claims about circ'ing. I didn't even discuss my views on circ'ing, and I won't. I'm talking about an extremely ignorant claim that the Church----the Christian Church---invented a practice that's been a religious custom in the Jewish faith for thousands of years.
You can believe whatever you want to believe about circ'ing, but FFS, know the actual history. Judaism predates Christianity by about 2,000 years. They were practicing circ'ing loooong before there was a "church."
Circumcision is a very important Jewish religious custom. Claiming that the Christian Church invented it is extremely ignorant, and extremely disrespectful to people of the Jewish faith. Do. Your. Research.

Heeeyyyyy you're back. Please read my original post- no where does it claim the 'Christian' church invented circs. Not sure where you picked up this ball to roll with, but just so everyone knows, of course I am in no way disrespecting the Jewish religion or any other- I would never do that. Plus, I never claimed any church invented circs, just that the church had invented the aforementioned crazy reasons that circs should be done, not the circ itself. Please re-read my post- you will see that I am not saying that anywhere in anything I wrote. I don't even remember which church my research said was promoting circs for the reasons I already stated- I did not specify that, or imply otherwise. Please READ and respond to what you READ, not what you make up to respond to. READ. the. posts. Thank you.
ps- to the rest, i'm sure all that went without saying- really, I'm just trying to get another post in to this insano-thread

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Kristy774 · September 2013

Ok, can someone tell me what XP'd means? I'm new here, still learning.

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

I don't even know what that means.

katieharpiceland · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

Except several people did bring up some actual facts, etc. I know everybody likes to pick on April for being crazy, but looking at the worst ten percent and acting like that describes the whole thing is getting oooooold.
Ok, and your constant interjections don't add to the gawk factor? You ladies make the board. And I'm an equal opportunity xp'er. In march we love October for their gif's, and you guys for the ridiculous.

Fine with me! :-) I am proud of my crazy. Always have been, even before A14.

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

I know what that means, that's not what I was talking about.

Mandyw75 · September 2013

Again my son is 10 and is not cut. His dad is. In no way do they compare penis's EVER.
I do hope this baby gets my bf's eyes.

Also how can it be so important to a dad? I don't understand that logic.

His dad used to joke around with me and call DS a snuffleupagus. Lol.

Serenla · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Rrrrrachel said:

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

I have to say I have been a parent for seven years and been on the bump that long and the whole only sissy men shower and keep clean pretty much turned this into the most ridiculous circ debate I have seen around these parts.

) Sissy men, omg I still laugh at it. If you shower you are a sissy man, I should tell my husband to quit his metro-sexual ways and hop out of that shower.

katieharpiceland · September 2013

LOL, is someone actually trying to shame us and then follow that up with a little patronization? Way to stoke the fire! LOL.

Serenla · September 2013

Why hello again fellow minecrafter @farmboyswife

edit wording

deidremaria · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

Oh yes, so sorry. This could be the worst debate I've seen on the bump. Babycenter and baby gaga makes me want to rip out my eyeballs. Just not my style. You get 5 stars for entertainemnt (as always) but 0 for educational value. But it's ok, this won't be your last- you may get better with time

fireflygirl12 · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

Rrrrrachel said:

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

I have to say I have been a parent for seven years and been on the bump that long and the whole only sissy men shower and keep clean pretty much turned this into the most ridiculous circ debate I have seen around these parts.
Oh yes, so sorry. This could be the worst debate I've seen on the bump. Babycenter and baby gaga makes me want to rip out my eyeballs. Just not my style. You get 5 stars for entertainemnt (as always) but 0 for educational value. But it's ok, this won't be your last- you may get better with time

Maybe because it wasn't a typical you should/shouldn't circumcise your kid because of xyz? The initial intention of the thread was on how to decide what to do if you and your SO disagree. I wouldn't really call this a circ debate as much as a debate as to whether manly men hunt and shower and if people with penises should make all penis-related decisions.

fireflygirl12 · September 2013

Just incase @lilmama412 comes back:

mom2twin · September 2013

I don't know how it is in the states, but in Canada circumcision is now referred to by all medical personnel as genital mutilation.

My twins are 4 & not genitally mutilated. If this one is a boy I would absolutely not mutilate my son.... Thankfully my bf agrees. If he didn't I would leave him over having my son experience that.... I feel so strongly about this issue.

Do the research, it is so important!
And it doesn't lie. The stats from four years ago show that there were more boys were not genitally mutilated vs multilated.

There are huge benefits to not mutilate sons. Sexual experiences are better for them when they're older (some men are going back for reconstructive surgery!), cleanliness (infection) is not an issue at all- really! They are so easy to care for unmutilated.

When my second youngest brother was born, the lady sharing the room with my mom had her son multilated. I will never never never forget that little boy's screams & cries of absolute torment. This was after his mutilation- during the healing stage.

mom2twin · September 2013

It sure is....!

mom2twin · September 2013

I should state the doctors that do it & obviously charge for it don't refer to it as mutilation in front of the paying patients. Just us behind the scenes it is always always referred to as genital mutilation.

mom2twin · September 2013

Just an FYI:

https://www.canadiancrc.com/Circumcision_Genital_Mutilation_Male-Female_Children.aspx

fireflygirl12 · September 2013

mom2twin said:

I don't know how it is in the states, but in Canada circumcision is now referred to by all medical personnel as genital mutilation. My twins are 4 & not genitally mutilated. If this one is a boy I would absolutely not mutilate my son.... Thankfully my bf agrees. If he didn't I would leave him over having my son experience that.... I feel so strongly about this issue. Do the research, it is so important! And it doesn't lie. The stats from four years ago show that there were more boys were not genitally mutilated vs multilated. There are huge benefits to not mutilate sons. Sexual experiences are better for them when they're older (some men are going back for reconstructive surgery!), cleanliness (infection) is not an issue at all- really! They are so easy to care for unmutilated. When my second youngest brother was born, the lady sharing the room with my mom had her son multilated. I will never never never forget that little boy's screams & cries of absolute torment. This was after his mutilation- during the healing stage.

Eh, I was there for DS's circumcision and he didn't make a peep.

Sisimama10 · September 2013

dani+california said:
LOL and just an FYI for you:

The Canadian Children's Rights Council Inc. (French: Conseil canadien des droits des enfants inc.) is a non-governmental organization that is based in Toronto, Canada and was founded in 1991. It describes itself as a nonprofit educational and advocacy organization dedicated to supporting the rights and responsibilities of Canadian children and providing critical analysis of governments' policies at all levels of government in Canada.[1][2] Despite portraying itself as an organization that works for children's rights, some scholars have described it as more concerned with men's and father's rights.

(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Children's_Rights_Council)

Nice try though. Next you're going to quote the Westboro Baptist Church I suppose?

There is a lot of misinformation in that article from the Canadian children's rights council as well. I just read the whole thing and was shocked by some of what it said. Specifically that the USA has a high rate of circumcision because Medicaid pays the doctors well to perform the surgery. Idk where they got that info because I know Medicaid doesn't even cover circumcision in a lot of states. I'm on Medicaid and I'll be paying out of pocket. So, I definitely don't think that the USA has some secret Medicaid deal with doctors to pay them tons of money if they perform circumcisions. Seems embellished or exaggerated.

mrscrcalli · September 2013

The Internet is full of facts! 8-}

Sisimama10 · September 2013

^ I just read too about the president of the organization he believes "women that abandon their children should be charged with attempted murder". So, this includes giving children up for adoption or what?! After reading about him he seems pretty whacked to me. I wouldn't support what his organization had to say without some extreme research into other organizations/differing opinions.

mom2twin · September 2013

I'm not getting into a debate. It's really pointless. Isn't the point of these boards to state our opinions and facts that we know? To share our personal wealth of knowledge? To not attempt to belittle others?

Perhaps it would clear confusion if I was a little more precise in what I've stated. My fellow colleagues and I (I'm referring to us OB/GYNs, but I could also include the rest of the medical staff I work with) always refer to circumcision as genital mutilation. Always. I have yet to hear another dr I meet refer to it as any differently.
This is my experience and facts as I've had in the field...

fireflygirl12 · September 2013

mom2twin said:

I'm not getting into a debate. It's really pointless. Isn't the point of these boards to state our opinions and facts that we know? To share our personal wealth of knowledge? To not attempt to belittle others? Perhaps it would clear confusion if I was a little more precise in what I've stated. My fellow colleagues and I (I'm referring to us OB/GYNs, but I could also include the rest of the medical staff I work with) always refer to circumcision as genital mutilation. Always. I have yet to hear another dr I meet refer to it as any differently. This is my experience and facts as I've had in the field...

My OB has 2 sons who are both circumcised. I doubt she's ever referred to it as genital mutilation.

Sisimama10 · September 2013

I truly think referring to circs as genital mutilation is a scare tactic. To each their own, I have never had a baby boy and have not had to make this choice yet, but it makes me mad when people take it to such extremes.

Amandastrea · September 2013

I generally lurk but an actually from BC march2013 and you should know what happens in some situations. My beautiful son is uncirc and in June he was hospitalized by a UTI, bladder and testicular infection. It was the scariest thing I've ever been through and after seeing him poked and prodded, given catheters, going through multiple ultrasounds that were followed with tests from specialists and doctors I wish we would have had the circumcision. Now the process includes being put under so its much scarier than need be but I never want any baby to go through that

Marusika · September 2013

Nobody is circumcised in our family so we don`t even consider that.

Serenla · September 2013

@mom2twins huh, I can't wait to tell DH that he has been mutilated by his parents. Jeeze and I thought the use of the word "intact" was irksome.

RondackHiker · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Rrrrrachel said:

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

I have to say I have been a parent for seven years and been on the bump that long and the whole only sissy men shower and keep clean pretty much turned this into the most ridiculous circ debate I have seen around these parts.

@AndrewsGal

There was one on a strange board... Like the baby shower board, I think, that got much worse.

A woman insisted that doctors and hospitals only circ'ed and pushed circ'ing because they then sold the foreskin to Oprah's make up company for a special wrinkle cream. Each foreskin reportedly sold for about one hundred grand. That was an amazing thread. I hit bronze talking about foreskins.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

RondackHiker said:

Rrrrrachel said:

Seriously? The worst circ debate you've ever seen? If it were anyone else is question how much time you spend on the Internet.

I have to say I have been a parent for seven years and been on the bump that long and the whole only sissy men shower and keep clean pretty much turned this into the most ridiculous circ debate I have seen around these parts.
@AndrewsGal There was one on a strange board... Like the baby shower board, I think, that got much worse. A woman insisted that doctors and hospitals only circ'ed and pushed circ'ing because they then sold the foreskin to Oprah's make up company for a special wrinkle cream. Each foreskin reportedly sold for about one hundred grand. That was an amazing thread. I hit bronze talking about foreskins.

Damn I am sorry I missed that one, I take it back this is the second weirdest one. I still can't get over the whole men who shower are prissy and they are MEN how can they be expected to stay clean followed but the PTSD vet card that had nothing to do with the situation. I love that when others started pointing out her crazy she bailed but not really as she was still lurking and liking post. I was hopeful that by now the crazy would be gone at least there is still hope for the second tri to weed them out.

snowclouds · September 2013

Please bear in mind that I did not read the comments. Often comments on this specific debate really get to me.

I will support your decision no matter what it is because it is your right as a parent even if it differs from mine IF you tell me you researched both sides of the issue. Daddy is so his son will be is not a valid reason to do a surgical procedure.

You're in your 1st tri OP and you don't know if it's a boy so wait on that...you have plenty of time. Also, insist he reads up on the subject. Talking to his buddies about it is not researching. It is difficult when you're not on the same page on a major thing like this, but you have time to work it out.

2010weddinggal · September 2013

@mom2twin, so I guess any parent who chooses to cir mutilates their child if you really are a medical professional then you know that it is up to the parent. You also know that it does not hurt them that bad, seriously that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard....

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

How much it hurts is very disputed.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

2010weddinggal said:
@mom2twin, so I guess any parent who chooses to cir mutilates their child if you really are a medical professional then you know that it is up to the parent. You also know that it does not hurt them that bad, seriously that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard....

How do you know? Grown men say it hurts like hell and babies can't talk.

Rrrrrachel · September 2013

Your tearing half the skin off their penis. Something around half the time without anesthesia. How could it NOT hurt?

2010weddinggal · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

@mom2twin, so I guess any parent who chooses to cir mutilates their child if you really are a medical professional then you know that it is up to the parent. You also know that it does not hurt them that bad, seriously that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard....
How do you know? Grown men say it hurts like hell and babies can't talk.

That is just it is a grown man, a newborn while it may hurt everyone I have talked to that had their baby circ said baby barley reacted after. And they do not even remember it happening seriously....

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