s/o of cost of food

pitterpatter129 · September 2013

My friend had this on fb the other day. Over half a million people in my state eat on around $4 per day per person, including my family. (Our monthly grocery bill this month was a little under $250.) Internet is our one monthly splurge - no cable, no fast food, no putting things on credit cards, no buying something just because. We had a few extras when I was working, but not many. My 50+ hrs per week salaried career, which I have a college degree for, didn't cover daycare costs, so I'm home for awhile. I work part-time from home. My DH put in 88 hrs last week so we could buy beef in a tube. The point of the recent ad here was to ask people to live for two days like the 600,000 other people in their state do. I hope some people took the challenge. Yeah, it's fun to judge strangers on the internet, but please hold your tongue and looks when the mom in the store puts her meat tube in her basket.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

It has been pretty well established that the posters on here are far from lower or even lower middle class. I would never judge someone in real life, but the poster on here who make a huge deal of having big money but only spending $45 a weeks sure. We don't need a reminder I see poverty everyday, but like I said most on this board are far from it. I also will never understand the whole my job wouldnt cover daycare. Is this not sometching you thought about before you got pregnant? This post comes off very woe is me to me too. Also I have no idea what yo were going for in your post? Should I feel sorry for you? I do. I also think you need to reevaluate your life if your husband is working 88 hours a week and you are not and you still can't afford food in one of the LCOL states.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

The thing is I truly believe we are all one step away and one bad circumstance from poverty. That being said. I think people fall into the woe is me mindset when there are choices they have. OP what kind of career in OK did not pay for two in daycare. I have a friend who is a teacher there and she earns crap but the daycare is also significantly cheaper there too. Even with her not earning $30k she can afford daycare for two and come out on top,

kcisthebombdotcom · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

It has been pretty well established that the posters on here are far from lower or even lower middle class. I would never judge someone in real life, but the poster on here who make a huge deal of having big money but only spending $45 a weeks sure. We don't need a reminder I see poverty everyday, but like I said most on this board are far from it. I also will never understand the whole my job wouldnt cover daycare. Is this not sometching you thought about before you got pregnant? This post comes off very woe is me to me too. Also I have no idea what yo were going for in your post? Should I feel sorry for you? I do. I also think you need to reevaluate your life if your husband is working 88 hours a week and you are not and you still can't afford food in one of the LCOL states.

Kind of unrelated, but do you know that statistically the majority of coupon users are upper middle class? It's not just the poor who want to manage their grocery spending. https://consumerist.com/2009/09/03/who-uses-coupons-the-most-affluent-suburbanites

Andrewsgal · September 2013

KC_13 said:

Andrewsgal said:

It has been pretty well established that the posters on here are far from lower or even lower middle class. I would never judge someone in real life, but the poster on here who make a huge deal of having big money but only spending $45 a weeks sure. We don't need a reminder I see poverty everyday, but like I said most on this board are far from it. I also will never understand the whole my job wouldnt cover daycare. Is this not sometching you thought about before you got pregnant? This post comes off very woe is me to me too. Also I have no idea what yo were going for in your post? Should I feel sorry for you? I do. I also think you need to reevaluate your life if your husband is working 88 hours a week and you are not and you still can't afford food in one of the LCOL states.

Kind of unrelated, but do you know that statistically the majority of coupon users are upper middle class? It's not just the poor who want to manage their grocery spending. https://consumerist.com/2009/09/03/who-uses-coupons-the-most-affluent-suburbanites

Yes KC I did know that. I think you can be a good steward of your money without serving your family horse meat.

kcisthebombdotcom · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

KC_13 said:

Andrewsgal said:

It has been pretty well established that the posters on here are far from lower or even lower middle class. I would never judge someone in real life, but the poster on here who make a huge deal of having big money but only spending $45 a weeks sure. We don't need a reminder I see poverty everyday, but like I said most on this board are far from it. I also will never understand the whole my job wouldnt cover daycare. Is this not sometching you thought about before you got pregnant? This post comes off very woe is me to me too. Also I have no idea what yo were going for in your post? Should I feel sorry for you? I do. I also think you need to reevaluate your life if your husband is working 88 hours a week and you are not and you still can't afford food in one of the LCOL states.

Kind of unrelated, but do you know that statistically the majority of coupon users are upper middle class? It's not just the poor who want to manage their grocery spending. https://consumerist.com/2009/09/03/who-uses-coupons-the-most-affluent-suburbanites

Yes KC I did know that. I think you can be a good steward of your money without serving your family horse meat.

Yep, I am living proof of that!

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Yes and so am I just because I choose to spend my money on quality food for my family does not mean I can't manage my money.

dmartin726 · September 2013

FWIW, we don't know the OP's entire financial history. Therefore I don't think it's fair to judge whether or not she thought about daycare costs before getting pregnant. Unexpected things can happen and throw financials in a complete tizzy. When I was pregnant with DD I was 25, we were doing ok financially. Then my pregnancy ended up costing us 13K out of pocket. If I had needed daycare (which I didn't thanks to grandparents), It would have been very hard that year to pay for it, being as we had to spend an extra $1000 monthly to pay for medical bills. We are doing ok financially now, but not fantastic. I still have to work full time (from home luckily) and husband works like a dog, but for a lot of people that's what it is. We have a nice life, nice home, nice cars, yet I coupon my butt off to save money because I know how fast financial situations can change.

penguingrrl · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

The thing is I truly believe we are all one step away and one bad circumstance from poverty. That being said. I think people fall into the woe is me mindset when there are choices they have. OP what kind of career in OK did not pay for two in daycare. I have a friend who is a teacher there and she earns crap but the daycare is also significantly cheaper there too. Even with her not earning $30k she can afford daycare for two and come out on top,

Actually, it's not uncommon for someone with a degree to be unable to command the cost of daycare for even 1 or 2 kids. That was the situation I was in. I spent 7 years cultivating a career in museums, so definitely a career track position. I was taking home $1650 a month (income of $30K) and daycare for one kid was $1700+ in Manhattan (and the places on lower end of the scale had long wait lists). DH and my incomes combined were well above the threshold for daycare assistance (income needed to be under $40K for a family of 3, under $44K for a family of 4) at $55K between us, but there was absolutely no way we could afford $25K a year in childcare since that meant that after taxes neither of our incomes alone would cover childcare.

That said, DH works tons of hours. 85 hour weeks aren't uncommon for him at all despite not being paid hourly. That wouldn't change if I were working, though. He is a postdoc trying to get a tenure track teaching position. Once he gets that he'll be building towards tenure. Once he gets tenure (4-5 years from now) he'll be able to relax a little bit.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

penguingrrl said:

Andrewsgal said:

The thing is I truly believe we are all one step away and one bad circumstance from poverty. That being said. I think people fall into the woe is me mindset when there are choices they have.

OP what kind of career in OK did not pay for two in daycare. I have a friend who is a teacher there and she earns crap but the daycare is also significantly cheaper there too. Even with her not earning $30k she can afford daycare for two and come out on top,

Actually, it's not uncommon for someone with a degree to be unable to command the cost of daycare for even 1 or 2 kids. That was the situation I was in. I spent 7 years cultivating a career in museums, so definitely a career track position. I was taking home $1650 a month (income of $30K) and daycare for one kid was $1700+ in Manhattan (and the places on lower end of the scale had long wait lists). DH and my incomes combined were well above the threshold for daycare assistance (income needed to be under $40K for a family of 3, under $44K for a family of 4) at $55K between us, but there was absolutely no way we could afford $25K a year in childcare since that meant that after taxes neither of our incomes alone would cover childcare.

That said, DH works tons of hours. 85 hour weeks aren't uncommon for him at all despite not being paid hourly. That wouldn't change if I were working, though. He is a postdoc trying to get a tenure track teaching position. Once he gets that he'll be building towards tenure. Once he gets tenure (4-5 years from now) he'll be able to relax a little bit.

Yes but I assume she likes in OK since that is where her post is from. You can't even compare the COL in OK and Manhattan, like not even on the same map. OK is probably one of the cheapest places to live in the country. Daycare for two is probably not even what you pay for one.

I think a lot of times people use the daycare excuse when it is not true!

Andrewsgal · September 2013

dmartin726 said:
FWIW, we don't know the OP's entire financial history. Therefore I don't think it's fair to judge whether or not she thought about daycare costs before getting pregnant. Unexpected things can happen and throw financials in a complete tizzy. When I was pregnant with DD I was 25, we were doing ok financially. Then my pregnancy ended up costing us 13K out of pocket. If I had needed daycare (which I didn't thanks to grandparents), It would have been very hard that year to pay for it, being as we had to spend an extra $1000 monthly to pay for medical bills. We are doing ok financially now, but not fantastic. I still have to work full time (from home luckily) and husband works like a dog, but for a lot of people that's what it is. We have a nice life, nice home, nice cars, yet I coupon my butt off to save money because I know how fast financial situations can change.

See bu medical expenses are not a suprise like ever if you have insurance. For example our family max out of pocket is 5K. Guess what we have saved to pay for this pregnancy? Yep 5K. If it costs less great, we save money, but we won't be surprised or put in a bad situation.

penguingrrl · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Andrewsgal said:

The thing is I truly believe we are all one step away and one bad circumstance from poverty. That being said. I think people fall into the woe is me mindset when there are choices they have. OP what kind of career in OK did not pay for two in daycare. I have a friend who is a teacher there and she earns crap but the daycare is also significantly cheaper there too. Even with her not earning $30k she can afford daycare for two and come out on top,

Actually, it's not uncommon for someone with a degree to be unable to command the cost of daycare for even 1 or 2 kids. That was the situation I was in. I spent 7 years cultivating a career in museums, so definitely a career track position. I was taking home $1650 a month (income of $30K) and daycare for one kid was $1700+ in Manhattan (and the places on lower end of the scale had long wait lists). DH and my incomes combined were well above the threshold for daycare assistance (income needed to be under $40K for a family of 3, under $44K for a family of 4) at $55K between us, but there was absolutely no way we could afford $25K a year in childcare since that meant that after taxes neither of our incomes alone would cover childcare.

That said, DH works tons of hours. 85 hour weeks aren't uncommon for him at all despite not being paid hourly. That wouldn't change if I were working, though. He is a postdoc trying to get a tenure track teaching position. Once he gets that he'll be building towards tenure. Once he gets tenure (4-5 years from now) he'll be able to relax a little bit.
Yes but I assume she likes in OK since that is where her post is from. You can't even compare the COL in OK and Manhattan, like not even on the same map. OK is probably one of the cheapest places to live in the country. Daycare for two is probably not even what you pay for one. I think a lot of times people use the daycare excuse when it is not true!

That makes sense. Missed that she's in OK. One of my biggest frustrations in Manhattan was that things like WIC and daycare assistance followed federal eligibility numbers when the costs of things (particularly daycare) were so far above national average. I remember realizing that a single parent of two could be working f/t and bringing in less than the cost of childcare and still not qualify for assistance. So no rent, food, metrocard, clothing or anything else. It was so backwards.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Yes she frwaking lives in Oaklahoma it doesn't get much cheaper!

joyfullyfound · September 2013

I'm inclined to agree with CJ on this one, at least until OP clarifies further....

Andrewsgal · September 2013

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

dmartin726 · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

FWIW, we don't know the OP's entire financial history. Therefore I don't think it's fair to judge whether or not she thought about daycare costs before getting pregnant. Unexpected things can happen and throw financials in a complete tizzy. When I was pregnant with DD I was 25, we were doing ok financially. Then my pregnancy ended up costing us 13K out of pocket. If I had needed daycare (which I didn't thanks to grandparents), It would have been very hard that year to pay for it, being as we had to spend an extra $1000 monthly to pay for medical bills. We are doing ok financially now, but not fantastic. I still have to work full time (from home luckily) and husband works like a dog, but for a lot of people that's what it is. We have a nice life, nice home, nice cars, yet I coupon my butt off to save money because I know how fast financial situations can change.
See bu medical expenses are not a suprise like ever if you have insurance. For example our family max out of pocket is 5K. Guess what we have saved to pay for this pregnancy? Yep 5K. If it costs less great, we save money, but we won't be surprised or put in a bad situation.

I see what your saying. However, at 25 I did have insurance, and the max OOP was 13K. My pregnancy cost 26K, I paid 13K. A few years older now, I do know better. Hence my savings, and much better insurance plan. My point is, we just don't know the OP's whole story. But it doesn't look like we are going to so we can all just draw our own conclusions.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.

Every insurrance has a max OOP. If you plan on paying that the only surprise you will get is not paying the max.

penguingrrl · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

$100 a week? Man, I'd be living large there! Here it's $100 a DAY. In that case, yeah, she should be working!

Andrewsgal · September 2013

penguingrrl said:

Andrewsgal said:

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

$100 a week? Man, I'd be living large there! Here it's $100 a DAY. In that case, yeah, she should be working!

That's my point the state she lives in has an extremely LCOL. I have several friends that live all over the state. I don't buy the college education professional job not paying for daycare.

penguingrrl · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

$100 a week? Man, I'd be living large there! Here it's $100 a DAY. In that case, yeah, she should be working!

Andrewsgal said:

I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
Every insurrance has a max OOP. If you plan on paying that the only surprise you will get is not paying the max.

Okay, again, no it doesn't. DHs insurance at Columbia U got rid of our OOP max his last year there to save money. I ended up hospitalized for one night, had doctors assigned to me who weren't in network (I was unconscious at the time and aetna told me I should have asked the doctors before letting them treat me!) and that's how we discovered that after Emma was born our OOP max of 42k had been taken away. We were on the hook for $7K for that visit.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

penguingrrl said:

Andrewsgal said:

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

$100 a week? Man, I'd be living large there! Here it's $100 a DAY. In that case, yeah, she should be working!

Andrewsgal said:

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
Every insurrance has a max OOP. If you plan on paying that the only surprise you will get is not paying the max.

Okay, again, no it doesn't. DHs insurance at Columbia U got rid of our OOP max his last year there to save money. I ended up hospitalized for one night, had doctors assigned to me who weren't in network (I was unconscious at the time and aetna told me I should have asked the doctors before letting them treat me!) and that's how we discovered that after Emma was born our OOP max of 42k had been taken away. We were on the hook for $7K for that visit.

I appoligize I really did think every insurrance had a max OOP I was wrong. Then yes I can see how medical bills could set you back.

rockyrollgirl · September 2013

OP: I appreciate the sentiment, but you said you work from home part-time and your DH worked 88 hrs yet you can't afford ground beef? I think you really need to look into in home daycare. I live in California and just recently found one that is $150 a week so I can't use that excuse anymore, now I just want to stay home with my kid. It is not an issue for us because we can afford it. If it came to the point that my DH had to work that much AND we were still struggling, then I would go back to work. I would even look into working overnights and weekends at an emergency clinic.

I am not judging you, just trying to help since your post came off like you are really hurting. Sorry if I am off base.

pitterpatter129 · September 2013

My DH doesn't usually work this much. He's currently on 7 days a week because his plant is short people who can do his job. Hopefully that will end soon. We do miss him. He usually does 3's and 4's (12.5 hr shifts) and we get to see him for 3 or 4 days at a time! Since he has so much overtime, we will have lots of money to add to savings! He would be working this much regardless of if I was at work or not this past couple of weeks. No, we didn't quite think daycare through. Totally our mistake. Quite honestly, we didn't expect to get pregnant so soon. And yes, there are lots of home daycares that cost a little less, although a $100 a week?? Most are around $9 an hour. I make around $13 an hour...so, yeah, not bringing home much after taxes. The few cheaper places we found flat out weren't safe. It just wasn't worth it to us in the end. Like I said, I do work part time from home and bring in some money. It was a choice to stay home, but daycare did come out to about equal to what I'd have brought home. I totally wasn't going for "woe is me". I'm sorry if it came off that way. We live in a nice home and my kids are well cared for. Our grocery budget means they get plenty of vegetables because we aren't buying sugary snacky type foods. I simply wanted to point out that while it's fun to question people's food choices on the internet, I hope you see that some families out there are doing their best to make ends meet. Yes, I live in a very low cost of living state, but most of the families here have jobs that pay lower too. When my big guy is in preschool, I'll go back to work. This is a temporary solution for us and has an end. If it doesn't go well at all, I can always go back to work too. My district is currently still searching for 45 teachers that still aren't hired for the school year, that started over a month ago...if that tells you anything about the pay. I could walk into today with my choice of placements. Both my DH and I are college educated too. Teaching isn't a lucrative career and he has a degree in zoology, which there are few jobs related to zoology around here. Just pointing out that although I know the Bump is a mainly a certain subset of people, not everyone you see in the grocery store will fall into your income category, so although it is fun to talk about your food choices online, please tell me you aren't this judgy in real life.

kcisthebombdotcom · September 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Andrewsgal said:

I just looked it up. OK is the second cheapest state to live in. I know people that pay $100 week for in home child care. So the OP is basically saying she doesn't clear 800-1000 a month working a full time professional job? Teachers are one of OKs lowest paired professionals and they earn more than that.

$100 a week? Man, I'd be living large there! Here it's $100 a DAY. In that case, yeah, she should be working!

Andrewsgal said:

I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
Every insurrance has a max OOP. If you plan on paying that the only surprise you will get is not paying the max.

Okay, again, no it doesn't. DHs insurance at Columbia U got rid of our OOP max his last year there to save money. I ended up hospitalized for one night, had doctors assigned to me who weren't in network (I was unconscious at the time and aetna told me I should have asked the doctors before letting them treat me!) and that's how we discovered that after Emma was born our OOP max of 42k had been taken away. We were on the hook for $7K for that visit.
I appoligize I really did think every insurrance had a max OOP I was wrong. Then yes I can see how medical bills could set you back.

You're correct that there is an oop max written in most plans but there's a difference between your in network vs out of network. I'm currently fighting my insurance company because they won't cover my DDs EEG. They cover all the specialists she sees at said hospital but they don't cover EEGs done there. Except I had prior authorization it was medically necessary and no other hospital will touch a 2 year old. Insurance blows.

rockyrollgirl · September 2013

pitterpatter129 said:
My DH doesn't usually work this much. He's currently on 7 days a week because his plant is short people who can do his job. Hopefully that will end soon. We do miss him. He usually does 3's and 4's (12.5 hr shifts) and we get to see him for 3 or 4 days at a time! Since he has so much overtime, we will have lots of money to add to savings! He would be working this much regardless of if I was at work or not this past couple of weeks. No, we didn't quite think daycare through. Totally our mistake. Quite honestly, we didn't expect to get pregnant so soon. And yes, there are lots of home daycares that cost a little less, although a $100 a week?? Most are around $9 an hour. I make around $13 an hour...so, yeah, not bringing home much after taxes. The few cheaper places we found flat out weren't safe. It just wasn't worth it to us in the end. Like I said, I do work part time from home and bring in some money. It was a choice to stay home, but daycare did come out to about equal to what I'd have brought home. I totally wasn't going for "woe is me". I'm sorry if it came off that way. We live in a nice home and my kids are well cared for. Our grocery budget means they get plenty of vegetables because we aren't buying sugary snacky type foods. I simply wanted to point out that while it's fun to question people's food choices on the internet, I hope you see that some families out there are doing their best to make ends meet. Yes, I live in a very low cost of living state, but most of the families here have jobs that pay lower too. When my big guy is in preschool, I'll go back to work. This is a temporary solution for us and has an end. If it doesn't go well at all, I can always go back to work too. My district is currently still searching for 45 teachers that still aren't hired for the school year, that started over a month ago...if that tells you anything about the pay. I could walk into today with my choice of placements. Both my DH and I are college educated too. Teaching isn't a lucrative career and he has a degree in zoology, which there are few jobs related to zoology around here. Just pointing out that although I know the Bump is a mainly a certain subset of people, not everyone you see in the grocery store will fall into your income category, so although it is fun to talk about your food choices online, please tell me you aren't this judgy in real life.

Oh okay! Thanks for the clarification. I havn't had enough coffee yet and the OP just seemed really bad to me.

kcisthebombdotcom · September 2013

Hav=Fath said:

I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.
This may be the snarkiest thing I've ever seen you say, hav. ::sobig::
it's true though, happens all the time on here. I happen to make a very decent living for where we live, but... I will never forget that everyone isn't as blessed, and to make people feel bad for not having as much, even if it does have to do with their life choices, whether intentional or not stinks.

I mean I get calling someone out while they're in the midst of consciously making a bad choice to tell them they're doing something harmful but this seems like a whole lot of kicking someone when they're down. Not cool.

notkateanymore · September 2013

amy052006 said:

Yes she frwaking lives in Oaklahoma it doesn't get much cheaper!
Also, I have no idea with "meat in a tube" even is. I seriously have never seen it. And I do shop in conventional supermarket in addition to Whole Foods.

I know polenta comes in a tide, not meat.

Hav=Fath said:

I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.

Oh please Hav.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Hav=Fath said:

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.

**EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU** It has nothing to do with people measuring up I has to do with people making excuses. Like I said we are all one tragedy away from poverty. But I still stand behind the fact that life is part what happens to you and the other half choices you make.

notkateanymore · September 2013

Good Lord you guys. This place has been awfully judgmental lately, and not even in the fun way.

Everyone unclench.

The judging goes two ways. It's apparently always been OK to judge people choices who "have money" but for fucks sake, if you dare question somebody who lives on a budget, you're an uppity bitch.

notkateanymore · September 2013

It's like when it's apparently OK to call out a skinny chick and tell her to eat a sandwich, but who would dare tell a fat chick not to have seconds?

notkateanymore · September 2013

scatteredtrees said:

KateMW said:

Good Lord you guys. This place has been awfully judgmental lately, and not even in the fun way.

Everyone unclench.
The judging goes two ways. It's apparently always been OK to judge people choices who "have money" but for fucks sake, if you dare question somebody who lives on a budget, you're an uppity bitch.

No, I'm lumping all judgers together. I find the indignation at the people with money just as irritating as the finger wagging at the people who eat meat tubes.

Well you are sane and level headed...not everybody here is the same,

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Yes dead horse.

rockyrollgirl · September 2013

CnAmom said:
Is it just me or is this seriously the third post about the same topic?

Scattered. Horse pic?

notkateanymore · September 2013

New!

rockyrollgirl · September 2013

aggiecyd said:

Andrewsgal said:
Yes dead horse.
Since the horse is dead, can we use it for nuggets?

Bazinga!

kcisthebombdotcom · September 2013

aggiecyd said:

Yes dead horse.
Since the horse is dead, can we use it for nuggets?

The winner of the Internet today.

pastalady · September 2013

I get what you are saying, 4 a day is impossible. I do think its possible to teach people how to cook from scratch and buy better ingredients with the money available. I have heard the argument fast food is cheaper. No, it is not. I can go to McDonald's with DH, I and dd and spend average of 18 dollars. I can buy a good loaf of whole wheat bread, eggs, butter and about 6 apples, 6 bananas and maybe even a pack of strawberries for that. That could be dinner for 2 or 3 nights, no empty calories. DH and I made each 9 an hour when we got married. We were saving for a 150,000 first house. We saved 14,000 in one year. Our rent was 800 a month. We literally would get down to one can of beans to eat. We had money I savings but we wouldn't spend it. We would gather our change, walk to the store and buy a red pepper. We would eat a black bean salad with red pepper, no dressing, no nothing but salt and did that a few times. I wouldn't have thought oh our 1.25 could buy one cheeseburger at mcdicks. No way. Or a frozen dinner. I get it, I'm weird with food but teaching people to cook and shop is the best thing for the issue.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

Hav=Fath said:

Andrewsgal said:

Hav=Fath said:

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.
**EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU** It has nothing to do with people measuring up I has to do with people making excuses. Like I said we are all one tragedy away from poverty. But I still stand behind the fact that life is part what happens to you and the other half choices you make.

Maybe I am. If there is one thing that gets to me more than anything else is when people (either here or IRL) say things to others that will have them walk away feeling worse about themselves. I get it, people need to rethink the way they eat/buy food but you guys talk about it in a condescending way without even realizing you are doing it.

And weren't you being bitchy yesterday? Just saying...

:-? OMG you are pissed about me calling out you spoiling Haldey. Lol an eye for an eye Huh? How very Christian of you literally.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

gwapes said:

Hav=Fath said:

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.
**EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU** It has nothing to do with people measuring up I has to do with people making excuses. Like I said we are all one tragedy away from poverty. But I still stand behind the fact that life is part what happens to you and the other half choices you make.

Wow.

Just... wow.

Wow because I believe in personal responsibility? **EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU**

Andrewsgal · September 2013

gwapes said:

Andrewsgal said:

gwapes said:

Hav=Fath said:

auroraloo said:
I don't think it's fair to say medical expenses are never a surprise if you have insurance. Unexpected things, complications, etc can cause surprise expenses.
but remember Rora, some people here want to make sure everyone knows how inferior others are compared to their perfectly laid plans and lives. it's very important to some to make sure others realize they don't measure up.
**EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU**! It has nothing to do with people measuring up I has to do with people making excuses. Like I said we are all one tragedy away from poverty. But I still stand behind the fact that life is part what happens to you and the other half choices you make.

Wow.

Just... wow.

Wow because I believe in personal responsibility? **EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU**

Wow because of the irony of you calling hav that. And the fact that you can't seem to draw out your point without using personal attacks.

I wasn't aware that calling someone a B = believing in personal responsibility.

Well I take full responsibility for calling Have a **EDITED BY MOD. NAME-CALLING IS AGAINST TOU**and before you get on your high horse white knighting for have read the part where she admits being a bitch because she is still mad about yesterday.

Andrewsgal · September 2013

And @gwapes I don't think you understand what personal responsibility means.

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