circumcision(not trying to start a debate)

Winnieella · August 2013

PreDempsey said:

peanutmuse said:

PreDempsey said:

peanutmuse said:

@dempseyjosh, you're not married to our @PreDempsey, are you??

Just checking.

That sure is my DH's lurker account. Of course his first real post is on penises, something he actually knows about

@PreDempsey Pardon my language, but that is so fucking funny. I don't think I've ever experienced this type of situation on TB before. I tagged you just in case it actually was your husband, but I didn't know what to expect. I wanted to make sure you saw it. I am quite literally LOLing right now.

He reads things on here all the time because we both don't have the faintest clue on what were doing so I think he found a strong post to debut himself. I mean it's kind of hard to argue that circumcision screw kids up for life when there is an actual penis responding. And since we're both here it's clear that it still works despite being "mutilated"

I love the part of you being here so you know that his penis still works.

peanutmuse · August 2013

benjaminsmommy16 said:

peanutmuse said:

benjaminsmommy16 said:
I didn't give any benefits because I figured if people wanted to, they could look it up on their own. There's absoultely no reason to be rude. I also wanted to keep in short because I wasn't going to get into a 19 page debate with a bunch of people because it's not going to prove anything.

@benjaminsmommy16 --

If you are making a claim here, it's your responsibility to back it up, not our responsibility to find proof for your claim.

This is simply saying that if you're going to say something like "there are many, many benefits to having a foreskin," have the courage and the integrity to back it up with facts.
Everyone was giving their oppinions on circumcision. Nobody (that I saw) was giving facts about how it's the right thing to do. So I didn't either. I don't know why you are upset by me saying "Hey, there are benefits to having a foreskin, look into it if your having a boy because it's not a bad idea."

Because other people were not making factual claims without evidence. They were making personal, emotional, cultural, regional, or religious based assessments, and listed those reasons. Or offering stories of actual procedures. And most of the time said that they didn't care what other people did. You were trying to persuade people that they should not circumcise their sons. You made a claim that there were benefits on several different occasions and never once (until a few minutes ago) even named them. Don't even get me started on the lack of actual evidence of your claims.

ETA: And I never once questioned your opinion on the matter. I only questioned your claim of fact, ie, there are many, many benefits. A million of them.

dempseyjosh · August 2013

benjaminsmommy16 said:

Well a few are, when they are babies, the foreskin protects the penis from pee, poop, and abrasions from diapers. It protects the penis from trauma and without the foreskin, the penis becomes calloused and desensitized from exposure and chafing. Plus, there are thousands of nerve endings in the forskine that enhance sexual pleasure.

Well, that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear stronger reasons that weren't so easily defended.

As far as the foreskin protecting from pee and poop, the argument against this is a simple one. The foreskin can also harbor bacteria, thus requiring extra care/cleaning. It may not be extensive, but it certainly is a reasonable concern when making the decision.

As far as the foreskin protecting from abrasions/trauma and without it causing the penis to become calloused and desensitized. I don't expect anybody is keeping objects in a little ones diaper, so the abrasions/trauma seem a little overstated. I also can say that my penis is not lacking sensitivity. It may not be as sensitive as an uncircumcised penis, but I can't compare personally. I have however looked it up, and have found info that states grown men that were circumcised did not have any complaints about loss of sensitivity. I also found info that stated the opposite, so there again, no obvious choice.

The foreskin having thousands of nerve endings to enhance sexual pleasure..... I don't and won't know, but I love the way it feels .... so I don't think i'm missing out on anything. This lands into the same category as the info found about sensitivity.... you can find info supporting either decision.

peanutmuse · August 2013

dempseyjosh said:

benjaminsmommy16 said:

Well a few are, when they are babies, the foreskin protects the penis from pee, poop, and abrasions from diapers. It protects the penis from trauma and without the foreskin, the penis becomes calloused and desensitized from exposure and chafing. Plus, there are thousands of nerve endings in the forskine that enhance sexual pleasure.

Well, that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear stronger reasons that weren't so easily defended.
As far as the foreskin protecting from pee and poop, the argument against this is a simple one. The foreskin can also harbor bacteria, thus requiring extra care/cleaning. It may not be extensive, but it certainly is a reasonable concern when making the decision.
As far as the foreskin protecting from abrasions/trauma and without it causing the penis to become calloused and desensitized. I don't expect anybody is keeping objects in a little ones diaper, so the abrasions/trauma seem a little overstated. I also can say that my penis is not lacking sensitivity. It may not be as sensitive as an uncircumcised penis, but I can't compare personally. I have however looked it up, and have found info that states grown men that were circumcised did not have any complaints about loss of sensitivity. I also found info that stated the opposite, so there again, no obvious choice.
The foreskin having thousands of nerve endings to enhance sexual pleasure..... I don't and won't know, but I love the way it feels .... so I don't think i'm missing out on anything. This lands into the same category as the info found about sensitivity.... you can find info supporting either decision.

You're ok in my book, Mr.PreDempsey.

gingerbabe · August 2013

Ha! I haven't read everyone's comments, but I have watched several circumcision videos and was just fine with all of them.

My H was very adamant about circ'ing our DS, because he is circ'd. I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I did all the research and watched videos (because if I was going to put my son through a life changing, optional procedure, I wanted to see what I was getting into), and I decided it was ok to circ our DS. I still wonder if we made the right decision, but DH on the other hand never thought twice about it. I was there for the actual procedure, and DS did not cry at all until the very end (long after the cut was done) when he was just tired of laying there naked and cold. I was happy to be in the room, comforting him as the procedure was happening.

nbbride06 · August 2013

I saw all 3 of my nephews circumcisions. 2 in the hospital and one at home (due to religious reasons). None were terrible. All were given some type of anesthetic. In all cases their parents were there watching as well. Sure the babies cried, but they were all crying before a single instrument even touched their body. Babies cry for lots of reasons.

I don't think it's common to watch circumcisions done in the hospital, but my SIL (nephews mom) is a pediatrician and the partner from her office performed the circumcision. She wanted all of us to see it since she writes books for the AAP and wanted us to be educated on the process. I'm glad I've seen it performed and know what to expect if/when I have a son.

DH doesn't remember, or feel traumatized or mutilated by his circumcision, nor do my two brothers. To each their own, but I just wanted to throw out my story of actually having seen a circumcision performed.

demibrooke · August 2013

Wait, so everyone's in a fuss about her posting this in the first place, but there's four pages of people disagreeing with each other and saying their point of view as well. Isn't that just adding fuel to the fire? Just my point of view.. Maybe it should all just be dropped?

peanutmuse · August 2013

@benjaminsmommy16 -- I addressed some of your points. Some of the other BS about me wasn't worth my time. If you want to talk about dumb shit on TB, let's talk about your fake BFP on TTGP. I knew I remembered your name from something that was really stupid. The bolded type below are my responses.

benjaminsmommy16 said:

First off, I figured everyone was smart enough to know the "a million benefits" comment was a slight exaggeration.
And I figured you were smart enough to recognize sarcasm. I guess not.

I wasn't really trying to get anyone to do anything. People were talking about why they did/didn't circ' their son, so I started talking about why I kept my son intact. You are really upset about that for some reason.
I never once made a comment about your decision. Try to find one, please. I dare you. I don't flipping care what you chose for your son. You (once again) have missed the point completely.

If you don't like my oppinion or they way I say it, just move on. There is a ton of stuff on TB that bothers me but I usually just move on when I see it.
Once again (do I really need to repeat this?), I never once made a comment on your opinion. Only on your unsupported statement of fact.
(And from your response to dempseyjosh):

I gave a few reasons off the top of my head that helped us decide if we wanted to keep DS intact or not. Did I go through and find all of the sources that helped us make that decision when I was pregnant with him? No, because I'm not really trying to save a bunch of foreskins. Somebody asked about the benefits of a foreskin, so I gave them a few.

To the last part, it took several times of me asking you for benefits before you actually gave some. You didn't just give them. That was another part of my point. You made a claim without backing it up. And it's not just that, at first you adamantly refused to back it up.

But I totally appreciate you finally admitting that didn't do the research. I could tell that was the case. That was actually my whole point in addressing you directly. You told MindyBadger that you were educated on the subject, when in fact you weren't. (I can quote that one too, if you want.) But I knew you weren't all along. Thank you for FINALLY admitting that.

mommabird77 · August 2013

This is the song that doesn't end. Yes it goes on and on my friend.

peanutmuse · August 2013

@benjaminsmommy16, it has become abundantly clear that your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking. It's almost laughable if it weren't so sad.

peanutmuse · August 2013

Tiffgoddess said:

This is the song that doesn't end. Yes it goes on and on my friend.

I'll never understand why anyone cares if a discussion continues. It's not like you have to be part of it. There are plenty of times when I've pulled myself out of a discussion that I'm not part of and am no longer interested in. But I never care if other people want to continue having the discussion. It's no skin off my back.

bethughknee · August 2013

peanutmuse said:

@benjaminsmommy16 -- I addressed some of your points. Some of the other BS about me wasn't worth my time. If you want to talk about dumb shit on TB, let's talk about your fake BFP on TTGP. I knew I remembered your name from something that was really stupid. The bolded type below are my responses.

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. A faked BFP? Was this like a joke that just went horribly wrong? Or a legit lie? Would you mind clarifying so I know whether or not to skip anything posted by someone who thinks that is acceptable...?

alinafed · August 2013

dhviel said:
In Canada this is not as common though obviously still done a lot... but the majority of guys I've known aren't.

I hope this quote works. I'm on mobile so it may not.

Anyway, @alinafed where in Canada are you? I find it to be very prevalent in Canada and most boys I know are done. My husband doesn't want us to circumcise and after very heated discussions we have agreed to not. I still don't like that but oh well. But at least in my area of Canada it is still a very common procedure.

Your quote didn't tag me so I just saw this. I actually looked it up because my info was anecdotal (2 guys in my class of about 15 were circumsized and one was American living in Canada), but the statistics seem to be that about 32% of Canadian men are circumsized, as low as 6% in some provinces and the highest being 44% in other provinces. So yes fairly common but still a minority unlike the states where it seems to be over 50% but not much higher than 60 if that

peanutmuse · August 2013

benjaminsmommy16 said:

bethughknee said:

peanutmuse said:

@benjaminsmommy16 -- I addressed some of your points. Some of the other BS about me wasn't worth my time. If you want to talk about dumb shit on TB, let's talk about your fake BFP on TTGP. I knew I remembered your name from something that was really stupid. The bolded type below are my responses.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. A faked BFP? Was this like a joke that just went horribly wrong? Or a legit lie? Would you mind clarifying so I know whether or not to skip anything posted by someone who thinks that is acceptable...?

The A12 moms were playing truth or dare. Me and like 2 other moms were dared to all go and make posts about BFPs. We apologized. Everyone moved on. One of the moms that did it posts frequently over there now and everyone seems to be fine with it.

I will honestly concede that it wasn't that big of a deal. Annoying and immature more than anything. Par for the course, I suppose.

shortstuff15 · August 2013

AMK1981 said:

alinafed said:

dhviel said:

Anyway, @alinafed where in Canada are you? I find it to be very prevalent in Canada and most boys I know are done. My husband doesn't want us to circumcise and after very heated discussions we have agreed to not. I still don't like that but oh well. But at least in my area of Canada it is still a very common procedure.

Your quote didn't tag me so I just saw this. I actually looked it up because my info was anecdotal (2 guys in my class of about 15 were circumsized and one was American living in Canada), but the statistics seem to be that about 32% of Canadian men are circumsized, as low as 6% in some provinces and the highest being 44% in other provinces. So yes fairly common but still a minority unlike the states where it seems to be over 50% but not much higher than 60 if that

I am in Canada too so this topic made me look into the actual stats here as I never really considered doing this if I have a son. So I got very curious and looked into the benefits etc. I got the same stats as you... 32% in Canada compared to 61% in the US. So it seems that it is overall less common here, but still perfectly normal. Even though I don't plan on doing it, I think both options are safe and healthy and normal. I have also read that one of the deciding factors for most people in any place is whether or not the DH is... which really seems to make total sense to me. It seems natural for people to go with what they know in most cases. It really comes down to personal choice.
That still seems really low to me. If we have a boy we will be one of the only people in our friend group (which spans about 4 provinces) to not get it done. But that may just be our friends are all pro-circumcision. I just would have thought it would be higher then 35%ish.

yogi1012 · August 2013

Omg, over 2,000 views on this post! Love it!

cpm1223 · August 2013

yogi1012 said:

Omg, over 2,000 views on this post! Love it!

Wow!

I just can't help but wonder why the hell the OP decided to post this and then never reply to the thread. It makes no sense...

alinafed · August 2013

dhviel said:

That still seems really low to me. If we have a boy we will be one of the only people in our friend group (which spans about 4 provinces) to not get it done. But that may just be our friends are all pro-circumcision. I just would have thought it would be higher then 35%ish.

Effin quote boxes! I only know a couple of parents of babies but their boys are circumsized. I have slept with more people than I care to admit and by far the majority weren't. The one who was I remember needing lube to play with it which I have never needed otherwise, but other than that it wouldn't bother me at all one way or the other. I don't care about the issue at all, I let DH pick and he said like him his sons wouldn't be, and that was that. I don't particularly want to pull back foreskin to clean it for a baby(not sure if I have to), but I also don't want to deal with a fresh wound down there either (and the chance of a botched one, though I know it is so rare) so to me makes no diff.

EMT12resq · August 2013

Um i never even replied to this because I didn't have access to internet. I NEVER said people who have it done are wrong. Because I do not feel that way! If i felt that way I would have strongly debated this with my brother when they decided to get their children circumcised. I'm pretty sure in my OP I advised that I did NOT judge ither way that I choose what was best for MY family. I implying that the video I watch I wish I hadn't because it was disturbing.

And to other PP's I DID in fact do my research on this topic and again I chose what I felt was best for me and my family. If you choose or have chosen to have your child circumcised then that is your decision.

Bookshelves said:

"Not trying to start a debate... but here's why anyone who disagrees with me is wrong." :-@

knottie3c0525a8a3c64eaa · August 2013

I'm personally offended by the part that you said "ouch, I'm glad I didn't do it"
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Cewilliams207554 · August 2013

We did it for religious reasons and because dh wanted it done. They numbed ds so he did not feel anything. In fact, the doc said he didn't cry at all and he didn't cry about it any time after because of the gel you put in the diaper to make sure it doesn't stick. To each their own.

AprlShwrs18 · August 2013

Jessiejam said:
The biggest mistake I've made as a parent is having my children baptised. I'm an atheist and I've signed them up to a religion they can never get out of, I despise the Catholic Church and I've added to their numbers because of tradition and family beliefs. I hate it. I don't think I could handle it if I'd altered them in a physical way. That's just my opinion and feelings on the matter, nobody has to agree with me.

Not arguing or debating religion, but if your children haven't been confirmed, they can leave the faith. I used to teach in catholic school. I've debated changing religions multiple times, and I'm confirmed. I haven't, bust that's my personal decision. Your children can choose to leave.

DallasX · August 2013

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