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February 2012 Moms
UO
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Re: UO
I like both Lancy and Jen, but I don't see why you guys are jumping on Nates for agreeing with another poster and not saying anything to the person who she agreed with. Lots of people said things seemed odd with the shooting, but you all only pointed Nates out. She said many things aren't "right." She didn't say the people reacting to the situation reacted wrong. Her comment seems to be directed at the reporting of the events overall.
Yeah, we always say things said here don't go in a vacuum, but sometimes I feel like people find reasons to stir sh*t with her from a simple comment.
I guess that's my UO today.
I should elaborate... I don't mind if you privately fb message or email someone asking for their RSVP. I just don't like the blanket fb status asking for them, since obviously nobody invites their whole fb friend list. It's like advertising to everyone who wasn't invited that they didn't make the cut.
This is probably irrational, as there are good reasons why you don't invite everyone on your friend list... It still just rubs me wrong.
I see it similar to sending out invitations to a child's birthday party when they're in school. If you're not going to invite everyone, you keep the invites out of the classroom.
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It may be unpopular, but you're not the only one who thinks it.
I read NL's comment as one of her classic oneliners meant to spiral things into a lot of drama. Nobody can claim she doesn't do this. I also wanted to keep Jen from getting too upset, because I know how hard this subject is for her.
Then again, I'll openly admit to reading all of her posts in a tainted light. I haven't liked her since she told me that my ppd was my own fault. I never will like her. That just cut too deep, in a place where I was already pretty sensitive.
I do laugh when people say that things don't go in a vacuum here. TB never forgets.
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I did respond to Penny and I don't see how my comment can in any way, shape, or form be construed as jumping on Nates. My response to her was that I hoped she never was touched by something like this, but that if she ever was I hoped she said everything perfectly so that people didn't jump on her and not believe her like is happening with this. How is that jumping on her?
My UO is that I'm REALLY over people reading any response to Nates as people "jumping" on her. So if I respond at all and say anything that's not agreeing with her that's stirring sh!t? That's ridiculous. And for the record, I do 100% believe that Nates only conveniently jumps in with controversial stuff with the intent of starting stuff, yet even believing that I still responded to her politely as I would with anyone else.
I'm a SAHM, and have showered literally every single day since Maddy was born. I can't NOT shower. Of course, I try to do it when she's napping but if that's not possible she would either sit in the RnP in the bathroom with me when she was little, or now she goes in the crib. It takes 10 mins, if that.
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My UO is that there seems to be no right way to deal with Nates. If you are critical you are jumping on her. But then Nates asked if she should leave and apparently that was wrong to do too. Then someone had a poll about if Nates is a troll and that was wrong too.
It seems like anything anyone says to or about Nates is the wrong thing to do. She's like the Gaza Strip of 212.
A theory is that it was staged. Actors were involved and the REAL children are in hiding.
There is supposedly a picture of one of the kiddos with Mr. President a few days after the incident.
It's crazy.
Agree to disagree.
Amen! Connor and any future kids can sit in the back seat and play with toys or poke each other or be bored but I will not have a TV in the car. I think its healthy to unplug once in a while.
^^^^ This, exactly^^^^
x2! I really dislike the DVD's in cars. I can see how if you have a special situation it may help, but I think a vast majority of people use them just to keep the kids occupied. Get a book or music (I get carsick and can't read). Play a game...somthing other than TV.
I think this is one of my biggest pet peeves. My niece and nephew can't even go to a restaurant without having something to entertain them. I try really hard to do this with SD but DH keeps giving her his phone or he'll take a portable DVD player. I can't stand it. When she is in the car with me she sings, plays with DD, stares out the window, etc. If DH is in the car we can't even go to Target just down the road without her asking for his phone. And I HATE when we are at dinner and she can't sit there and color the paper they give them she has to play on her DS or his phone. Drives me crazy. I don't want to do this with DD but I also don't think it's fair. I will delay this as long as possible though. I don't think they need to be entertained every minute of every day. SD will come home from school and the first things she ask is "what can I do?". Go play! You wanted toys for Christmas go show me you can play by yourself and don't have to have a TV/DS/Wii/LeapPad to entertain you.
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She agreed that some of the reporting seemed odd or not "right". How was that supposed to make something spiral out of control or cause drama?
I also know your history with her and know that you don't like her. I just didn't get how her comment would stir the pot. And as I said I know that TB doesn't forget, but that comment seemed to be pretty in line with what other posters were saying.
Do you have a party every year? If I'm having a party, which I haven't since I turned 21, then I send and invite. If I'm going out to dinner with >6 people or having less than 10 people over for food and games, I just call em.
Another UO- birthday parties are for kids, unless its a big one, like 21, 30, etc.
3rd-ed or 4th-ed or whatever "ditto" number we're on!
It makes me super sad when I see families eating together and the kids have their faces stuck behind iPhones or portable DVD players. I know little kids get antsy and cranky sometimes, but surely we can find more productive and social ways to entertain them than shoving a screen in their face... coloring or I Spy or perhaps, GASP, actual conversation?! Yes, it's way easier to pull up a cartoon episode to make them happy, but if that's our go-to answer to keep the peace, we're majorly failing in the "teach your kids how to be interact with others / behave in public / use their imaginations" departments.
I'm also love paper invitations and thank you notes. I don't necessarily think evites are tacky for certain events, but I do think ALL electronic thank you notes are tacky.
I don't think everyone that responds to Nates is "jumping" on her. I actually thought she had done pretty good about not jumping into things or saying anything controversial lately and people hadn't been jumping on her in a while. But your comment to her reacting perfectly to a horrible situation had nothing to do with agreeing with the fact that some of the reporting was "not right," she didn't say that the victims did something wrong. (At least IMO)
Yes, I will agree that she makes controversial comments and stirs the pot sometimes. I just didn't see this as being one of those times. But, maybe I just looked at it differently and you may be more sensitive to the subject because it is something that affected a community very close to you and I fully understand that as well.
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Audioboks! Those were my favorite for car trips. They're usually super expensive but most libraries have them.
People don't use libraries enough. They have FREE STUFF, you guys. It's free! You just have to borrow it!
It might just be a cultural thing. I would find it odd if people were always using evites. I don't feel like I see that much around here.
*Thumbs up* I'm having one this year for my 21st, but the last one i had was my 16th.
Aw, I'm sorry you got upset about this, it certainly wasn't my intention if I contributed {{hugs}} I just remember the days when my baby was screaming non-stop all day every day and all I wanted to do was cry. So a 5 minute shower to calm myself was amazing, and I had to just be alone for at least that every day. I certainly don't judge anyone who doesn't take a shower, how would that ever affect me, nor do I think it is a terrible thing.
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My Colton...Growing up so fast!
And Coralee, his baby sister...On the way!
Stay out of it Lindinger!!
Just Kidding- love that show!
As for the showering thing...I think the point was that when someone says the CAN'T shower every day. Implying that they want to. So if you choose not to shower every day, fine, but if you say that you can't do it - that is another issue. If you can't find 15-20 minutes in your day then you need to have a conversation with your DH/SO/DCP even to get an extra few minutes.
God knows there were days I didn't shower because Allison was cranky/fussy/whatever but if I really needed a break I would tell DH, or my mom, once I even left her at daycare an extra hour so I could take a long shower (and shave) without worrying about her. There are ways.
Who the heck is screaming at her?!
Ssimon, Penny said that something is being covered up and NL agreed. My response to Penny explained why I think so much was reported wrong, which is because there was NO information available and people were taking rumors as fact and reporting on them. Those rumors came from people down at the scene or nearby who were waiting to hear something. Hence my response to NL that I hope that if she ever deals with something like this she says everything perfectly because it's the people who didn't who likely caused the inaccurate reporting and the conspiracy theories. That wasn't meant in a mean way, it was meant in a "put yourself in their shoes and think about it" kind of way. In that situation none of us would think straight, that's a natural human reaction. I find it amusing that Lancy's comment drew so much ire since everyone on here has also said that NL likes to just stir the pot which is all Lancy was saying.
I don't know when we turned into a board where disagreeing with someone or pointing out another perspective became a bad thing or construed as "screaming" at someone. It sucks that dissenting opinions are suddenly frowned upon.
I believe the state I live in has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. So, I have to admit that during gun control debates, I have a tendency to forget that many (I guess, most) states do not require background checks, cooling off periods, etc. So, I probably come off as a gun nut, when really I do believe in a type of gun control. I just forget that most states don't have the regulations we have here.
But as far as conspiracy theories go....no way. Maybe Obama is using the tragedy of Sandy Hook as a way to implement change, but there's no way that the goverment orchestrated this. I say that, not because I believe our government is infallible, has too much integrity,etc. Rather, I just don't think the government is organized well enough to be able to pull off this, 9/11, or any other conspiracy theory out there.
My UO is that I think the 90s was the most awesome decade ever. I'm so 90s that I had a dream the other night about making out with Kurt Cobain.
No no no, I meant screaming at Patrice!
But no, I don't think NL said what she said to "stir the sh!t" as it was assumed she did. That's where the comparison came from.
I love all of your posts.
My Colton...Growing up so fast!
And Coralee, his baby sister...On the way!
My UOs:
1. Everyone makes way too big of a deal about showering on this board. I can't believe we're still talking about this. Who cares how often anyone else is showering?
2. I side eye people who have tattoos with no meaning.
3. I also side eye any adult who participates in any sort of eating contest. Eating contests are gross and trashy.
I would have said the same thing pre-baby. Then I had a super high needs, colicky baby that has whined/cried almost every minute since the day he was born. Add in some PPD and my only goal each day is to keep both of us fed and alive. Some days, that is the only thing I accomplish and as soon as H walks in the door, he is on baby duty and I finally get to shower. If my choices are take a shower during the day or clean up puke because my child screams bloody murder until he pukes while I'm in the shower, I would pick no shower. You have a child that is happy and plays independently so you can shower, that's great. I don't have a baby like that. It's sooo easy to judge other moms. I did it ALL THE TIME before I was a mom but you never know what that mom is dealing with or going through.
Oh most definitely. Also dry shampoo is awesome. Most days I don't shower it's because I choose not to, but i like to try and clean up a bit!
Sorry, I missed your response to Penny. I have no problem with us disagreeing, and as I said I took your response differently just as a few other posters did as well. I didn't say, nor do I think you were screaming at her. It just looked like you ignored the original poster and pointed NL out for agreeing with someone else, so I apologize for my oversight. I never said she doesn't try to stir the pot, I just didn't see that comment as being that way; but as I stated earlier our perceptions of the comment may just affect us differently because of personal experience.
I enjoy reading dissenting opinions because they usually spur the most amount of information about a subject.
Also, I have learned that lots of times news reports are different regionally. Stories get twisted and sensationalized as well as downplayed a lot depending on locale. I know when we have a hurricane coming the weather channel reports it like it will be the "be all end all" when here it is being reported as a strong tropical storm. My family then calls me with worry and questions on my evacuation plans. I think this is what happened with SHES and it fuels the conspiracy theories. I know I heard lots of conflicting stories about the shooting and I blame the reporters for not getting more information before releasing certain "facts," I would never blame the victims.
I don't want anyone to feel like they can't disagree with someone else because I really think it is what keeps this board interesting. Yet, sometimes I think people take certain post way too personal or read so much more into a simple comment.
I totally agree. When I was a kid we ALWAYS went to the library. We checked out books, went to story time, did book reading challenges, and I signed up for a pen pal. People don't take advantage of the free entertainment for their kids. Here they have classes, craft time, and movie nights at the library. I can't wait until Skyler gets a little earlier and we can take advantage. Right now story time for babies is on Tuesdays during the day and I work FT. But we will definitely be doing the evening story times when she gets a little older.
Woah, didn't mean to start that business. Sorry to post and run.
I am not a believer in the conspiracy theory part of this at all, and I shouldn't have used the words "covered up." What I really think is kind of along the lines of what someone else said-I think the gov't saw a nice big opportunity to further their agenda through the tradgedy. Could they have hired actors to play grieved parents and neighbors to bring attention to things? Yes. I am not saying that they planned or carried out the shooting, but I do think they are using parts of it to their advantage. I don't trust our government any farther then I can throw them.
And it makes me very sad that people are creating another spectacle out of this, for the people involved. But I do think that everything needs to be questioned and looked at. Kind of like jldubbs said, I don't blindly trust anything.