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February 2012 Moms
UO
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Re: UO
You really think that? Don't you think that if they had done that other people in town would have come out and said something? How would you even begin to cover that up and keep an entire town quiet? As I said, this is a small town where everyone knows everyone else, not some big city where people are anonymous. Heck, I knew some of the people that have been interviewed. One of my friend's parents live across the street from that firehouse and my friend personally knows most of the neighbors interviewed. I'm sorry, but thinking that the government hired actors for this is believing in a conspiracy theory.
I think it's our duty as Americans to constantly question our government and I agree that most politicians aren't trustworthy. But if I believed that our government was capable of orchestrating something like this or 9/11 or even hiring actors to play on our sympathies or try to make it seem worse then it was I would honestly consider moving out of the country. I couldn't imagine living in a country where I believed our leaders manufacture tragedy.
Some of them might need to shower first. Or after. You know what, just shower with a friend
My UO:
1. I don't have time to spend reading about rumors or conspiracy theories to believe them.
2. I do think the gov't is using it to their advantage. And guess what? I agree with them. There need to be stricter standards when our communities are at risk.
3. Finally got Nat to sleep and am off to shower. BUT there were days when I considered taking a nap over showering. Some days you are just too tired to want to get wet.
I agree. Also, some babies really don't make it possible to shower. Logan was SUCH a hard baby, he cried every. single. time. I put him down. If I went to take a 10 min shower that meant he was crying for 10 mins. And like starbuck said, I was so frustrated with my life in shambles that a shower didn't even register as an option. Kellen was so easy to shower with. I could set him in his bouncer on the bathroom floor and he was happy. Every baby is different and people shouldn't throw stones.
Oh, OK, good. I was beginning to think my friends and I were all just rude.
I agree with Hattie that it must be a cultural/ regional thing, because evites are totally the norm for most people I know.
(Also, I think this whole line of discussion is NBD, really)
My UO is that I really hate showering with someone else. I don't know if it's cuz our shower/tub combo is abnormally small, or what, but I find it to be stupid and pointless for me. I'd almost rather the bathroom floor... H would not agree with me, though!
I do too. Our shower at home is too small and DH just ends up in my way. Although when we go on vacation or end up somewhere with a bigger shower, shower sex is pretty awesome.
BFP 3.8.16 EDD 11.20.16
For some odd reason it won't let me bold, so we'll just roll like this.
The population is listed as 27,000. That is not a "small town" to me. I live in a town of 300 people. I don't even know everyone.
And I don't feel that thinking that the government would use this to their advantage is a conspiracy theory. I don't think that they "manufactured tragedy," I think that they are using the tragedy to appeal to the masses in the way that they see fit.
I understand that you are very attached to this situation, and rightly so. I am not accusing the people of Newtown as harboring some kind of government-loving, left wing conspiracy. I am just saying, it could happen, it could have happened and I wouldn't put it past the government.
I don't get it either.
This exactly, Aiden has severe colic the first 6 months of his life, and would scream if you put him down for 10 minutes. Not to mention Id freeze if I didn't dry my hair and I know Aiden wouldn't let that happen. So Id wait until DH got home or someone was over.
Totally agree with this!
Era: I'm not judging anyone for not showering...whether you shower or not, I truly don't care. It's the mentality of I CAN'T do xyz just because I have a baby! That's what gets me. And I totally understand taking care of LO and the house and whatever else before showering. Even though I shower every day, it may not be til late in the day because other things need to be done. Ian was sick 2wks ago, I didn't get a shower til around 6 that evening when he finally laid down for a nap that lasted longer than 30min. I cleaned from one end of the house to the other because I wanted to get rid of the germs in the house...and then I had to get the funk off me. It was an UO, didn't mean to cause a storm over this.
That's really interesting, I didn't know that. I'll definitely start looking at their website when stuff happens.
The media was definitely irresponsible but I'm honestly shocked that real people believe that the government fabricated things here. Do I think that Obama is using this to push gun control? Of course! But isn't that how everything in life works? Someone posted a blog about a child killed by falling furniture and as a result many people went out and bought stuff to secure theirs. When we see bad things happen our instinct is to try to figure out how to prevent it in the future. I'm a Democrat and I like Obama and didn't like Bush but I still don't think Bush and his government made 9/11 happen or fabricated the events of that day (although the WMDs are a different story...). I don't think our government embellished Pearl Harbor to get the country behind us entering into WWII. People in power will always use current events to try to push their agenda, that's just life, not a conspiracy. And like you said, we're used to the 24 hour news cycle and everyone wants answers NOW and the networks don't want to be behind their competitors. So you take a highly emotionally charged situation in an area that is completely unprepared for it and have hundreds of people descending on this little school on back streets that are not able to hold minimal traffic so people really can't get in and everyone wonders how misinformation got out? It's not right that the media reported on unverifiable stories but even a couple of towns away I heard a million different things that day, including that they were two gunmen who went in dressed as nuns and one escaped and that's why schools in surrounding towns were locked down. It was chaos.
I think parents on Ontario Works (Government Assistance) who go on trips and buy all brand new stuff then complain when Child Tax Benfit (Baby Bonus) is late and they cannot buy diapers. I know some people need help for a few months but if you have enough money to have luxuries then take care of your kids! I cannot go out on a date or eat out more than once a month and we have a double income household (student loans)
Also, people that use things like Christmas Care or toy giveaways to their kids since they cannot afford the extras but they have enough money to smoke. According to a site on google you spend on average 165 a month on your dirty habit. That is $1980 you could have spent on Christmas or for your family.
You don't think the government can lie about things? You don't think the government can't manufacture events to push their own agendas? Right. I wish I lived in your world.
ETA: I'm in no way saying I believe the Sandy Hook or 9/11 conspiracy theories, but it baffles me that people think that the government doesn't have that type of power.
I hardly ever have a real UO but I actually have two today:
1. I don't understand plants in the house. Maybe one potted plant or the occasional flowers, but not multiple plants. Make a garden outside. And I hate hate hate fake plants in the house. What is the point besides to collect dust?
2. I judge people that identify/label themself as a specific religion but can't explain things that should be pretty common knowledge about it to me (like a "Catholic" friend of mine, who goes every Sunday, and couldn't tell me the difference between a priest and bishop when I asked). I also judge if you identify as a specific religion and have never educated yourself all about it and critically thought about all the core beliefs of it and decided you agreed with them (same friend- I asked her why she chose to be Catholic- she said she never thought about it, she is because her parents were)- to me that is ignorant.
I think the government/people in power can and do lie about lots of things. I'm sure there have been tons of cover ups by various government agencies. I really don't have much faith in politicians in all honesty and I think this country needs to have our whole political system and two party system overhauled (which likely won't happen). But I think it's a huge leap to think they've manufactured events, especially the types of events that have the conspiracy theorists in a tizzy. That's not to say I don't think they CAN do it, but I don't think they have.
And that's the difference. It's not that I believe they did/or have done those kinds of things, but I do believe they HAVE the power. We are the largest power house in the WORLD, but people don't think the government can manipulate us? That is what baffles me.