Not trying to lecture but alcohol and early pregnancy does have risks!!!

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

https://www.oasas.state.ny.us/fasd/faq.cfm

I have read many similar research reports during a couple of college social work courses and I don?t mean to lecture but the ease of the "drink till its pink" mantra is worrisome because the first few weeks are so critical to the development of the nervous system.

May not be implanted with umbilical chord but toxic chemical can still be shared.

Also, if many of us are taking a while to conceive, wouldn?t you want to increase your odds for the better? Alcohol may interfere with the implantation! I can understand have a few cocktail pre O but during 2WW... it?s just too much to risk. Wouldn't it be worth it to sacrifice those 2 weeks to give the potential life the best start possible?

...just my thoughts on the topic.

irishgirlmd · December 2008

Yay!! Someone else agrees with me. (and medical facts

) ?whoohoo!!

skinnursemandee · December 2008

Im now running to put myself in a bubble for the next god knows how long until I get knocked up and have my baby so this way there is no way to jeapordize my childs health from a bit of alchohol during the weeks when it hasnt even implanted yet, no rollercoasters, no soft cheeses, no grilled meat or sushi...Life is boring as fvck now

XXXXX222 · December 2008

I think the idea behind "drink till it's pink" is not to consume extreme amounts of alcohol. ?I take it to mean it's okay to have a glass of wine a couple times in the two week wait. ?Abstaining from everything that could potentially be harmful became a reminder and a source of stress for me.

skinnursemandee · December 2008

sulfababy:
I think the idea behind "drink till it's pink" is not to consume extreme amounts of alcohol. I take it to mean it's okay to have a glass of wine a couple times in the two week wait. Abstaining from everything that could potentially be harmful became a reminder and a source of stress for me.

exactly and well Many medical professionals feel it is even safe to drink the occassional glass of red wine while pregnant.

nikinikinine · December 2008

I don't think anyone on here is binge drinking while TTC, but it doesn't hurt to live normally throughout the process. People get pregnant all the time with out charting, green tea, preseed, OPK's, and all of the other crap that we've introduced into our lives and they never once stop their normal routines. It's good to take conception seriously, but come on.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

why does it have to be one extreme or another... I wasnt saying that we can't have a life until we conceive. But we can be reasonable especially during the 2WW, right?

MrsBeckO · December 2008

nikinikinine:
I don't think anyone on here is binge drinking while TTC, but it doesn't hurt to live normally throughout the process. People get pregnant all the time with out charting, green tea, preseed, OPK's, and all of the other crap that we've introduced into our lives and they never once stop their normal routines. It's good to take conception seriously, but come on.

My thoughts exactly.

irishgirlmd · December 2008

Even a glass or two has not been proven to be safe. ?And I would say abstaining from alcohol and possibly a few other things is a far cry from putting yourself in a bubble. ?Especially when you are potentially putting your fetus at risk. ?There is no way to know exactly when implantation occurs either - you can estimate - but you can't know exactly.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

Again, we all do what we can... was just putting the info out there.

nikinikinine · December 2008

p.s. I used to work for OASAS, the NY State Department you took those facts from, and OASAS funds and monitors social programs for former crackheads, drunks and some of the worst forms of addiction. The people they evaluate aren't every day people. They are people who have taken vices to an extreme.

Tootermi · December 2008

I think the stress of TTC is enough without worrying about what you're eating and drinking especially if you've been trying for a while....and not to mention if you drinking that much that you need to worry about it...you should be in AA and not trying to make a baby

gidge · December 2008

whew... I was just about to hide in shame because I'm keeping myself from getting pregnant -- my mom already told me that if I think about it too much and don't relax it'll make it harder. Stick out tongue

(although i have to say...didn't really stress that much...the double digit cycles just hurt more)

irishgirlmd · December 2008

That website does base info on people who are not what you would call "average" for sure. But there are "average" people who aren't drunkards who drink before they get BFP who do end up having children with problems. ?Most people don't but some do. ?But 100% of people who don't drink have babies without FAS. ?So, I just don't like to play the odds with the health of my unborn child. ?No one is saying you are drunkards. ?I love a good glass of wine or 3 just not during 2ww. ?I think more concerning is the misinformation I see on here constantly about "not sharing a blood supply with you fetus until 6 weeks." ?Just not true.

gidge · December 2008

irishgirlmd:
Even a glass or two has not been proven to be safe. And I would say abstaining from alcohol and possibly a few other things is a far cry from putting yourself in a bubble. Especially when you are potentially putting your fetus at risk. There is no way to know exactly when implantation occurs either - you can estimate - but you can't know exactly.

I think that's the part that makes it so controversial... there isn't a level that's proven safe or harmful. Plus there is the fear that if a dr says it is ok in moderation someone might interpret that as 4 drinks a day....

skinnursemandee · December 2008

Not to put education out there but in this case I will. I have a masters degree in medical and I think through my 7 years of medical training I would have a firm concept of reality in medical expectations and the difference in quoting states that have been read online. Medically speaking it is okay to continue with normal activities when actively ttc. The reason behind the vitamins and folic acid while ttc is because you want a STORE of the vits to be readily available once conception occurs in order to help with the proper development of the fetus because it can take up to 90 days of a proper vitamin supply to be stored in your body so this way your "fetus" has the proper collection of nutrients when there is conception. It is not because as soon as you concieve your child is feeding off your body.. A drink or two here and there is perfectly acceptable.

Hellooo I do not condone it but how many of our mothers drank while pregnant and smoked and we are all perfectly healthy, the same as our grandmothers with our parents. But according to you, my 8 years of trying I shouldnt have had any alchohol or recreational fun or any of the other potential hazards to a fetus? Im guessing my glass of wine during the 2ww is why I am not pregnant.

Get a grip already, TTC is not a death sentence.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

Oh dear Lord... I wasn't accuse ladies here of being drunks nor was I trying to cast shame on ANYONE! I was just playing devils advocate and putting out some research on the topic. Why does having a differing stance on something need to be taken as an extreme accusation?

That article was just one that I quickly googled. Just wanted to state some medical facts on why we should refrain where we can. Not trying to say anything other than that. Geeze!

skinnursemandee · December 2008

Google sometimes can be your enemy

hjk5000 · December 2008

Sorry, I can't say I agree, I can't stop my whole life just because of what might be. I respect your opinion though.

irishgirlmd · December 2008

Well, not to throw education out there but I am a doctor. ?So, I also think I have a pretty firm grasp on embryology. ?You do need to store vitamins and minerals in your body for your fetus to use to grow. But your fetus also gets those nutrients right from implantation. ?And your fetus also will get the alcohol from you when you drink after implantation. ?There are no studies to show a couple glasses of wine will hurt you fetus but there are no studies to show that it won't hurt your fetus either. ?Obviously, if you are comfortable with it than that's up to you. ?But, my opinion is better safe than sorry.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

It was just a quick lookup for this post... there are plenty of other sources out there for anyone else to read.

I am an educated person too who knows how to discern credible sources thanks!

irishgirlmd · December 2008

PS - I was not trying to say anyone is wrong for their choices. ?Just giving my opinion. ?I also wanted to clear up some of the facts. Like the fact that you do share things with your fetus once implantation occurs ?What you do with that info is, obviously, up to you. ?

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

irishgirlmd:
Well, not to throw education out there but I am a doctor. So, I also think I have a pretty firm grasp on embryology. You do need to store vitamins and minerals in your body for your fetus to use to grow. But your fetus also gets those nutrients right from implantation. And your fetus also will get the alcohol from you when you drink after implantation. There are no studies to show a couple glasses of wine will hurt you fetus but there are no studies to show that it won't hurt your fetus either. Obviously, if you are comfortable with it than that's up to you. But, my opinion is better safe than sorry.

Thank you!

skinnursemandee · December 2008

And that is your opinion and there is no medical FACT either way so why inhibit someones life for a what if? Medicine is an uncertain field and its ever changing, what was acceptable just 2 decades ago is no longer the norm. How do you not know that in a decade this "info" will not be incorrect and indeed it is safe to have a drink or two during the 2ww. We are not talking about excessive alcohol consumption we are talking about a couple drinks. If you want to get medical about then we can talk about the alcohol content in Cough Syrups and Vanilla extract that is used to bake desserts etc. How about the alcohol content in and aerosol in cooking spray? Should we all avoid that too? Or do we all need to consume a strict free range, organic diet inorder to protect our wee little blastocyst in its first few days of life from all the pesticides and chemicals in those foods. Some things are just a little overboard if you ask me dear Doctor.

2006july15bride · December 2008

Oh my....... Indifferent

Mrs.PeachyKeen · December 2008

Nowhere in that article was it mentioned that drinking during the 2ww was dangerous. It specifically states that the risk is with the shared umbilical cord which occurs after you have a +HPT. Also, it mentions that you should get drinking under control(not abstain) prior to pregnancy. That statement alone makes this sound like the information is focused on people who have alcohol related problems - not someone enjoying a nice glass of wine with dinner.

You can have your opinions, but if you cite a reference make sure that it backs up your claim.

beffysky · December 2008

MrsLeslie030405:

Oh dear Lord... I wasn't accuse ladies here of being drunks nor was I trying to cast shame on ANYONE! I was just playing devils advocate and putting out some research on the topic. Why does having a differing stance on something need to be taken as an extreme accusation?

That article was just one that I quickly googled. Just wanted to state some medical facts on why we should refrain where we can. Not trying to say anything other than that. Geeze!

I'm thinking you ought to be telling us that's why YOU refrain where YOU can. I'm thinking most of us here don't need you preaching to us...thanks!

hjk5000 · December 2008

irishgirlmd:
PS - I was not trying to say anyone is wrong for their choices. Just giving my opinion. I also wanted to clear up some of the facts. Like the fact that you do share things with your fetus once implantation occurs What you do with that info is, obviously, up to you.

Here is my only problem with this, the ladies who frequent these boards or those who have been TTC for a while understand how conception works, but how about the rest of the world, women who do not find out until they have missed 1 or 2 periods? Or get pregnant on BC?

If you follow this logic every single woman of child bearing age who is sexually active should abstain from alcohol or they might harm their babies. Sorry, but no.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

Again, we do what we can given what we know now... that's all that's being said here.

Tootermi · December 2008

Mrs.PeachyKeen:

Nowhere in that article was it mentioned that drinking during the 2ww was dangerous. It specifically states that the risk is with the shared umbilical cord which occurs after you have a +HPT. Also, it mentions that you should get drinking under control(not abstain) prior to pregnancy. That statement alone makes this sound like the information is focused on people who have alcohol related problems - not someone enjoying a nice glass of wine with dinner.

You can have your opinions, but if you cite a reference make sure that it backs up your claim.

Amen my sistas!!!

skinnursemandee · December 2008

MrsPeachyKeen...I big fluffy

you!!

2006july15bride · December 2008

I am now REALLY regretting the 1/2 glass of wine and 1/2 glass of sangria I had at my party last night. Should I get my BFP tomorrow it will mean I am already an abusive parent and that my child will be born sick. Oh my what have I done????

(this is what this post is saying about people like me, basically)

How long have you both been TTC?? Maybe the first 2 months I felt this way, but by cycle 6 I pretty much stopped putting my life on hold to be disappointed over and over again!!!!

XXXXX222 · December 2008

So, in the end, the ladies who abstain from all alcohol in the 2ww have not changed their minds. ?The ladies who drink in moderation have not changed their minds. ?It seems to me that (especially being the self-selected group that takes TTC seriously enough to be on this forum in the first place) everyone here has thought through this already, and chosen whether or not to abstain based on their own reasons.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

sorry I know longer have access to research reports from the university i attended 10 years ago...

Mrs.PeachyKeen · December 2008

skinnursemandee:
MrsPeachyKeen...I big fluffy you!!

Awww - Thanks!! It is mutual.

Tootermi · December 2008

Mrs.PeachyKeen:

Nowhere in that article was it mentioned that drinking during the 2ww was dangerous. It specifically states that the risk is with the shared umbilical cord which occurs after you have a +HPT. Also, it mentions that you should get drinking under control(not abstain) prior to pregnancy. That statement alone makes this sound like the information is focused on people who have alcohol related problems - not someone enjoying a nice glass of wine with dinner.

You can have your opinions, but if you cite a reference make sure that it backs up your claim.

Amen my sista!

skinnursemandee · December 2008

MrsLeslie030405:
sorry I know longer have access to research reports from the university i attended 10 years ago...

for the love of god ::head desk::

skinnursemandee · December 2008

sulfababy:
So, in the end, the ladies who abstain from all alcohol in the 2ww have not changed their minds. The ladies who drink in moderation have not changed their minds. It seems to me that (especially being the self-selected group that takes TTC seriously enough to be on this forum in the first place) everyone here has thought through this already, and chosen whether or not to abstain based on their own reasons.

Precisely!!

edimler · December 2008

ohhhhh shit... I guess the 2 very lovely glasses of wine I just consumed while out to dinner must have killed my unborn child. shit lock me up now...

Tootermi · December 2008

I don't know if this is quite the same...but it may be...I take a couple prescription meds that I know I won't be able to take once I am KU. When I talked to my GYN/OB about TTC she told me to continue to take them until I get a BFP. So, I guess I suck, too. She said no sense in stopping before there's a reason to.

MrsLeslie030405 · December 2008

HOLY SH!T are you all kidding me?!? This will be my last post on this... I was not judging or lecturing or accusing. Just putting info out there.

Damn, yeah I suck because I am new to TTC and have a differing take on this. I was not judging on who is a better mother or any crap like that. No one is perfect nor can we live in a bubble... but then again I was not suggesting that either. Please don't read more into the actual words in my OP. Yeah, I am bad too because I don?t eat all organic either! WE DO THE BEST WE CAN

Demonize me all you want for having a differing stance. There was no meanness meant. It?s a free country and I just was saying what was on my mind.

There, done.

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