HOLY SH!T are you all kidding me?!? This will be my last post on this... I was not judging or lecturing or accusing. Just putting info out there.
Damn, yeah I suck because I am new to TTC and have a differing take on this. I was not judging on who is a better mother or any crap like that. No one is perfect nor can we live in a bubble... but then again I was not suggesting that either. Please don't read more into the actual words in my OP. Yeah, I am bad too because I don?t eat all organic either! WE DO THE BEST WE CAN
Demonize me all you want for having a differing stance. There was no meanness meant. It?s a free country and I just was saying what was on my mind.
There, done.
No one is demonizing you. You are the one who started a whole new thread on this subject. This is a discussion board, and you will get opinions that differ from yours.
HOLY SH!T are you all kidding me?!? This will be my last post on this... I was not judging or lecturing or accusing. Just putting info out there.
Damn, yeah I suck because I am new to TTC and have a differing take on this. I was not judging on who is a better mother or any crap like that. No one is perfect nor can we live in a bubble... but then again I was not suggesting that either. Please don't read more into the actual words in my OP. Yeah, I am bad too because I don?t eat all organic either! WE DO THE BEST WE CAN
Demonize me all you want for having a differing stance. There was no meanness meant. It?s a free country and I just was saying what was on my mind.
There, done.
don't get all uptight now. Your post title basically implies that you were lecturing and you started a whole new post to share your views. Be okay with hearing different opinions
Come talk to me after your first year of trying then maybe you'll change your tune. I didn't do anything even potentially harmful my first 6 months of TTC and look where that got me, same place I am today. Live your life and I'll live mine.
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don't get all uptight now. Your post title basically implies that you were lecturing and you started a whole new post to share your views. Be okay with hearing different opinions
I"m really late on this and can't believe I'm actually saying it, but I agree with skinnursemandee and julybride. You started this thread. You can't expect everyone to agree 100% with everything you have to say. Welcome to America. I think freely, biitch. I've seen people drinking tons of caffeine and occasional booze and smoking like its going out of style. Don't tell me that I have to put the bottle away because I'm in 2ww! I've seen MANY ladies on here get drunk one night and their BFP a few days later. I suppose next you will be saying we shouldn't eat deli meat, soft cheese, or certain fishes in 2ww. I think we are all grown up enough to know what we want to do with ourselves.
Now, instead of attacking (yes, attacking) a group of smart women with your medical bible thumping and go preach to the people on the streets having sex for money and drunks and drinking like fish daily. Going out and gettin DUIs and crashing their cars. I can deal when people don't agree with me, but you are out of line. I hope you don't come back.
And cycle 1 huh? Try living in your bubble for the next 8 or 9 cycles (heaven forbid, I don't wish it on ANYONE) and tell me how you feel then not being able to drink on holidays or special occasions just because your phantom fetus might get drunk too.
PS - I was not trying to say anyone is wrong for their choices. ?Just giving my opinion. ?I also wanted to clear up some of the facts. Like the fact that you do share things with your fetus once implantation occurs ?What you do with that info is, obviously, up to you.
Here is my only problem with this, the ladies who frequent these boards or those who have been TTC for a while understand how conception works, but how about the rest of the world, women who do not find out until they have missed 1 or 2 periods?? Or get pregnant on BC??
If you follow this logic every single woman of child bearing age who is sexually active should abstain from alcohol or they might harm their babies. Sorry, but no.
Well, not to throw education out there but I am a doctor. So, I also think I have a pretty firm grasp on embryology. You do need to store vitamins and minerals in your body for your fetus to use to grow. But your fetus also gets those nutrients right from implantation. And your fetus also will get the alcohol from you when you drink after implantation. There are no studies to show a couple glasses of wine will hurt you fetus but there are no studies to show that it won't hurt your fetus either. Obviously, if you are comfortable with it than that's up to you. But, my opinion is better safe than sorry.
Do have any idea how many things we do in everyday life, how many chemicals in the air we breathe, the food we eat, and on and on have not been proven safe? What about medications women take for certain chronic illnesses during pregnancy? Many of those have not been proven safe either--but nor have they been proven unsafe. The threshhold for exposure to toxic chemicals, like lead, is always changing. Each of us has to make our own decisions and do what we feel comfortable with, and to argue against doing something because it has not been proven safe seems pretty weak to me. If you followed that through in all facets of your life, you would be living in a bubble, as would your children. If you're a doctor, then surely you know that much of medicine rests on shaky ground, evidence-wise.
I know the OP says she's just putting an alternate point of view out there, but consider how this sounds to people who have been TTC for a long time. If drinking a few glasses of wine a week brings someone pleasure, and there is 0 evidence that doing so will harm a still imaginary embryo, then I think it's up to her whether to abstain.
Re: Not trying to lecture but alcohol and early pregnancy does have risks!!!
No one is demonizing you. You are the one who started a whole new thread on this subject. This is a discussion board, and you will get opinions that differ from yours.
don't get all uptight now. Your post title basically implies that you were lecturing and you started a whole new post to share your views. Be okay with hearing different opinions
Let all the European women know this as well especially since their doctors only ask them to cut back on their wine consumption.
I'm willing to bet you'll be one of those helicopter parents who also douses her kid in antibacterial gel.... you know, just to be safe.
I felt this way too!
I"m really late on this and can't believe I'm actually saying it, but I agree with skinnursemandee and julybride. You started this thread. You can't expect everyone to agree 100% with everything you have to say. Welcome to America. I think freely, biitch. I've seen people drinking tons of caffeine and occasional booze and smoking like its going out of style. Don't tell me that I have to put the bottle away because I'm in 2ww! I've seen MANY ladies on here get drunk one night and their BFP a few days later. I suppose next you will be saying we shouldn't eat deli meat, soft cheese, or certain fishes in 2ww. I think we are all grown up enough to know what we want to do with ourselves.
Now, instead of attacking (yes, attacking) a group of smart women with your medical bible thumping and go preach to the people on the streets having sex for money and drunks and drinking like fish daily. Going out and gettin DUIs and crashing their cars. I can deal when people don't agree with me, but you are out of line. I hope you don't come back.
And cycle 1 huh? Try living in your bubble for the next 8 or 9 cycles (heaven forbid, I don't wish it on ANYONE) and tell me how you feel then not being able to drink on holidays or special occasions just because your phantom fetus might get drunk too.
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Ditto.?
Do have any idea how many things we do in everyday life, how many chemicals in the air we breathe, the food we eat, and on and on have not been proven safe? What about medications women take for certain chronic illnesses during pregnancy? Many of those have not been proven safe either--but nor have they been proven unsafe. The threshhold for exposure to toxic chemicals, like lead, is always changing. Each of us has to make our own decisions and do what we feel comfortable with, and to argue against doing something because it has not been proven safe seems pretty weak to me. If you followed that through in all facets of your life, you would be living in a bubble, as would your children. If you're a doctor, then surely you know that much of medicine rests on shaky ground, evidence-wise.
I know the OP says she's just putting an alternate point of view out there, but consider how this sounds to people who have been TTC for a long time. If drinking a few glasses of wine a week brings someone pleasure, and there is 0 evidence that doing so will harm a still imaginary embryo, then I think it's up to her whether to abstain.
Dont you think that we know this info already..come on we all have google.:)