UO Thursday

OldGlory · November 2012

Raquellyo:
I give a side eye to the folks who make a post to say "Sorry I have been MIA!" when I have no clue who they are.

Or "It's a boy" and it's their 6th post ever. Can't wait for the birth announcements from people who have posted 4 times.

Just saying, it's nice to be genuinely happy for people that you actually interact with on the boards. I don't make the effort to offer up a congrats otherwise. On the same note, I don't give T&P to the random people who just pop in, or for your uncle's cousin's sister.

You talkin' to me? Wink

PumpkinAndThePeanut · November 2012

HoolahZinger:
I just don't see the draw with Toms shoes...

They are sooo comfy. And you can wear them with shorts. I have a hard time finding comfortable shoes that can be worn with shorts. Ballerina flats are cute, but not very comfortable if you're walking. Same with sandals. But Toms, they work. Smile

Raquellyo · November 2012

OldGlory:
Raquellyo:

I give a side eye to the folks who make a post to say "Sorry I have been MIA!" when I have no clue who they are.

Or "It's a boy" and it's their 6th post ever. Can't wait for the birth announcements from people who have posted 4 times.

Just saying, it's nice to be genuinely happy for people that you actually interact with on the boards. I don't make the effort to offer up a congrats otherwise. On the same note, I don't give T&P to the random people who just pop in, or for your uncle's cousin's sister.

You talkin' to me?

LOL no, I had to look back a few pages, but the one that came to mind was from annarussell05. I just though the creation of the thread to apologize to the group for being MIA was just strange!

Raquellyo · November 2012

HoolahZinger:
I just don't see the draw with Toms shoes...

If you HAD to wear a shoe, and it could only be Toms or Crocs...which one would you pick?

kasabby · November 2012

mndyhywrd:
I'm usually all for GTKY's and like participating, but the 10 question ones are overwhelming. I see a GTYK thread, open it, and if I see a list of questions, I immediately close it. Too much to think about.

I feel the same way. I was just in the one from today and I had to get out of it. It was too much for me.

OldGlory · November 2012

Raquellyo:
OldGlory:
You talkin' to me?

LOL no, I had to look back a few pages, but the one that came to mind was from annarussell05. I just though the creation of the thread to apologize to the group for being MIA was just strange!

Yeah, there are a lot of names that I don't recognize (and I try to at least lurk everyday, even if I'm too busy to actually post), and being MIA if you haven't been somewhat active on the board doesn't make much sense, to me.

OldGlory · November 2012

nola78:
Raquellyo:

LOL no, I had to look back a few pages, but the one that came to mind was from annarussell05. I just though the creation of the thread to apologize to the group for being MIA was just strange!
In anna's defense, she was very active on TTCAL with a bunch of the May ladies before moving over to PgAL and this board. I was wondering what had happened to her.

This makes sense to me.

HoolahZinger · November 2012

Raquellyo:
HoolahZinger:
I just don't see the draw with Toms shoes...

If you HAD to wear a shoe, and it could only be Toms or Crocs...which one would you pick?

Haha, Toms, hands down. Crocs are an abomination! I hear Toms are comfy...I just don't see why it's an obsession in my area!

OldGlory · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
HoolahZinger:
Raquellyo:
HoolahZinger:
I just don't see the draw with Toms shoes...

If you HAD to wear a shoe, and it could only be Toms or Crocs...which one would you pick?
Haha, Toms, hands down. Crocs are an abomination! I hear Toms are comfy...I just don't see why it's an obsession in my area!
Dude, this! I've never even seen Toms before, so I have no idea what they look like, but they have got to be better than Crocs. Myself, I'm more of a Chakos girl.

Petra, I have a girl crush on you! I'm waiting on DH to buy me a pair, I know they will come in handy this spring!

caitlandrenee · November 2012

I hate when women say that they are going to have a baby without an epidural because women have been doing it for hundreds of years without it. We also went without regular vaccines and medications for hundreds of years as well and people died. That is NOT to say I think people who elect not to have an epidural or crazy or that I judge them. I'm just saying, modern medicine is here for a reason. And to me, that includes epidurals. WOO HOO!

Joyfullnoise · November 2012

doribeth851:
pnutg:
I think its rude when ppl invite a bunch of ppl to their kids bday party and dont send thank yous for gifts and for attending. If youre child is too young to write thank yous, you should.
ITA!
I also got a thank you card from a wedding I attended recently, and it was a picture of the bride and groom holding up signs that read, "Thank You" and then beside that it said, "Thanks for your gift and attending our wedding." So, everyone got the.exact.same thank you card. It kind of irked me. I spent a lot of time picking a gift from their registry I thought they'd really appreciate and the fact that they didn't even acknowledge my gift was a bit annoying, and rude, IMO.

This would get to me, too.

I don't want to buy my husband's family Christmas gifts because they don't write thank you notes. I think it is soo important to be grateful for our excess and for the kind thoughts of others. I can't believe no thank yous!

yeliza h · November 2012

Here is my UO. I HATE thank you notes! I'm happy with a simple thank you in person, over the phone or email. I read thank you notes and then trash them. I think its a waste of paper. I don't need a note saying "Thank you for this microwave, its going to come in handy." I think its silly. Let's save a tree!!

MotherMayEye · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.
WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change.
When you come to a public message board populated by people of all sizes and equate being 'fat' with being a slob or being lazy just because you are pissed that your clothes don't fit, you are doing the exact same thing as people who use words like 'retarded' or 'gay' because they don't like it. If you do this, you suck. If you stand by and ignore it, you may not suck as bad, but you are still on my sh!t list.

Before anyone dealing with body dismorphic disorder gets upset and thinks I'm talking about you, I ask that you remember that I have been very supportive of your struggles. It isn't people's body sizes or insecurities and fears I'm talking about. I'm talking about thoughtlessly rude and flippant comments made by someone who is flipping their sh!t over having a blump. It is totally possible to have a reasonable discussion about weight issues without telling the heavier ladies in the room that they must be disgusting and lazy because they are fat.
::steps off soapbox::

I can honestly say I've never seen one. But, if I did, I would probably just roll my eyes and close the window knowing that the poster(s) is just an @sshole who knows better -- and I can't help them with that. Confused

[EDIT: Ah. Now I see what you are talking about further down the list, and I don't even want to know what she going on about. Sounds like she has a personal problem to me.]

LN1024 · November 2012

My UO is that I cannot stand buffets. I know they are cost effective. I know a lot of people think the quality of the food is still good. I know that quite a few people cannot get enough of Golden Corral. I hate it. I think the money you save does not make up for the fact that most of the menu is lukewarm and unappetizing.

trlricha · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
lindsay.n.harman:
My UO is that I cannot stand buffets. I know they are cost effective. I know a lot of people think the quality of the food is still good. I know that quite a few people cannot get enough of Golden Corral. I hate it. I think the money you save does not make up for the fact that most of the menu is lukewarm and unappetizing. 
Holy cow! I completely agree! I would much rather go to a restaurant and order a simple $15 entree and have it freshly prepared for me, than spend $12 and go to a buffet where I get the privilege of choosing from a dozen lukewarm and mediocre dishes.

I agree, too!!! My sister and I refuse to eat at buffets. There is an ick factor to them as well....for me anyways.

KtrynReu · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:

Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.

WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change::

Just wanted to second your opinion and reassure you that it isn't unpopular. At least, not with me. I actually saw the thread that you are referring to (I am sure there have been others that I have missed...) and refused to even open it. I know that doesn't address the behavior, but if I would have responded it wouldn't have been nice or informative. And then I would have been the b!tch...

Ctweito · November 2012

mytinc:

And the worst -Huge Inflatable Anything in your yard for any holiday/reason. They're a huge waste of money, quite tacky and look horrible deflated laying in your yard during the day. Ugh. I really can't believe people buy those things.

THIS!!!!!!!!!! I want to take a pair scissors or some razor blades and destroy every one I see!

senoritaemily · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:

Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.

WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change.

When you come to a public message board populated by people of all sizes and equate being 'fat' with being a slob or being lazy just because you are pissed that your clothes don't fit, you are doing the exact same thing as people who use words like 'retarded' or 'gay' because they don't like it. If you do this, you suck. If you stand by and ignore it, you may not suck as bad, but you are still on my sh!t list.

Before anyone dealing with body dismorphic disorder gets upset and thinks I'm talking about you, I ask that you remember that I have been very supportive of your struggles. It isn't people's body sizes or insecurities and fears I'm talking about. I'm talking about thoughtlessly rude and flippant comments made by someone who is flipping their sh!t over having a blump. It is totally possible to have a reasonable discussion about weight issues without telling the heavier ladies in the room that they must be disgusting and lazy because they are fat.

::steps off soapbox::

Really? Pretty sure you are talking about my post, so perhaps you should go back and read it again. In no way do I equate being fat with being lazy, slobbish or disgusting. In fact, I'm pretty sure I qualify all of those feelings with reasons like, I already look way more pregant than I am, I am totally unmotivated to get any work done and I have freaking hemmorhoids...yeah, kinda disgusting.

I've dealt with weight issues my whole life, and I am certainly not discriminating against overweight people. Nor do I use uneduated vernacular like "retarded" or "gay" to describe things I don't like. Please don't try to read between the lines of my post to project your own issues onto me.

Blueyed228 · November 2012

I honestly have a hard time with this board sometimes because there isnt much happening here. Most posts I just want to reply with a link to "Let me Google that for you".

That being said, Im used to message boards with much more drama so that m ay be why.

I also hold back because I dont want to be the board jerk who points out stupid stuff. I was tempted to comment in that military post because I read her OP on military families before she deleted it and it really was not as bad as she made it out to be and I thought it was a huge over-reaction, but I wasnt about to get into it.

c-elizabethf · November 2012

KtrynReu:
PetraStonegirl:

Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.

WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change::

Just wanted to second your opinion and reassure you that it isn't unpopular. At least, not with me. I actually saw the thread that you are referring to (I am sure there have been others that I have missed...) and refused to even open it. I know that doesn't address the behavior, but if I would have responded it wouldn't have been nice or informative. And then I would have been the b!tch...

This. I'm just tired of seeing them. You knew you would gain weight when you got pregnant and yeah it sucks but I'm just thankful about having a healthy baby. I can lose the pounds after the baby is born.

HoolahZinger · November 2012

nola78:
PetraStonegirl:

Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.

WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change::

I too am guilty of skipping past the weight gain posts. I saw one today and sighed to myself (in annoyance) and didn't open it. I figured it was just some stupid whiny crap about weight gain and I really didn't want to deal with that when I'm dealing with real pregnancy issues (like spending part of the weekend in L&D). I am so incredibly thankful to be pregnant; I don't even care what I look like. I'm just not in a good place to constructively reply to a lot of those posts right now, but I do 100% agree that the correlation of lazy/slobby and fat is not okay.

Most of the time I see them but am just too irritated at the ignorance that I just skip by it. I don't even want to read that garbage. People who think that way are most likely not going to understand reason anyhow so it will only just get me all worked up for nothing.

MotherMayEye · November 2012

beaubecca:
I'm way late to the party here on this thread but I had to comment. I'm a little confused as to what PP's want this board to be. I thought the point of a baby centered message board was to share the experience with others in similar circumstances. So if the warm and fuzzy anatomy scan found out the sex posts get side eyed and the people remarking on how they feel fat or uncomfortable get side eyed and people who ask repeated questions get side eyed and people who ask about baby names get side eyed I'm not sure what else that leaves. The drama on other boards doesnt make sense to me most of the time for these reasons too. So I stick to this board. I went through a lot of trouble TTC but I still relate when others complain or worry OR when they are excited for small milestones like finding out the sex. It's not all sunshine and rainbows for anyone but that doesnt mean people dont feel blessed every day. I think people are often looking for someone to identify with where others in your life cant. Thats my UO for today I guess! I don't want the board to be boring either but I think other boards have posts blow up just because everyone jumps on the mean girls bandwagon out of their own boredom. Eta fix stupid typos from posting from my phone!

Don't worry about it. This is an unpopular opinions thread. The popular opinion is that the things people are complaining about are A-Ok.

Kashy · November 2012

I also agree about the 'fat' posts. I skip them.

My uo is all of the FB posts. Ahhhh its FB, people will post stupid things. If your feelings get hurt by a FB comment or whatever maybe its time to deactivate you account. If you have to block or delete everyone because they annoy you maybe its time to deactivate your account.

There are plenty of other ways to stay in touch with people.

Oh and also mobile bump is incredibly annoying. Why can't they just fix it so you can see the whole thread title?

c-elizabethf · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
senoritaemily:
PetraStonegirl:

Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.

WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change.

When you come to a public message board populated by people of all sizes and equate being 'fat' with being a slob or being lazy just because you are pissed that your clothes don't fit, you are doing the exact same thing as people who use words like 'retarded' or 'gay' because they don't like it. If you do this, you suck. If you stand by and ignore it, you may not suck as bad, but you are still on my sh!t list.

Before anyone dealing with body dismorphic disorder gets upset and thinks I'm talking about you, I ask that you remember that I have been very supportive of your struggles. It isn't people's body sizes or insecurities and fears I'm talking about. I'm talking about thoughtlessly rude and flippant comments made by someone who is flipping their sh!t over having a blump. It is totally possible to have a reasonable discussion about weight issues without telling the heavier ladies in the room that they must be disgusting and lazy because they are fat.

::steps off soapbox::

Really? Pretty sure you are talking about my post, so perhaps you should go back and read it again. In no way do I equate being fat with being lazy, slobbish or disgusting. In fact, I'm pretty sure I qualify all of those feelings with reasons like, I already look way more pregant than I am, I am totally unmotivated to get any work done and I have freaking hemmorhoids...yeah, kinda disgusting.

I've dealt with weight issues my whole life, and I am certainly not discriminating against overweight people. Nor do I use uneduated vernacular like "retarded" or "gay" to describe things I don't like. Please don't try to read between the lines of my post to project your own issues onto me.
I didn't read between the lines on anything. Point of fact, yours is the 4th post that used the phrase 'fatty', 'fat slob', 'fat lazy slob' in just about as many days. Regardless of how you justify it, you still chose the phrase 'fat lazy pregnant slob' as your post title. In fact, in your thread, someone else came in to say how they also felt like a 'fat slob'.
I'm not the only person here sick of it. You can see that people are certainly agreeing with my UO.(I actually didn't think anyone would, because they would be afraid people would get mad at them for calling a spade a spade.) When you choose to tie negative characteristics to a body type, you are being cruel to people with that body type whether you mean to or not. It's no different than tying negative traits to someone's race or religion. Just because you feel awful, doesn't mean it's okay to be cruel.
Frankly, if you had entitled your post 'bad day' or 'feeling awful', and then outlined that you felt fat because of bloat, and felt disgusting because of hemorrhoids, and lazy because of exhaustion, not only would have you not hurt anyone, but you would have received a hell of a lot more support. Look how many people said they won't even open 'fat' posts?
Now, was I specifically referring to your post? No. Actually I was still pissed about the "I feel like a fatty" post from a few days ago. She felt like a fatty because m/s was compelling her to actually eat. ZOMG, the horror!!! I didn't even see your post until after I posted my UO.

Im really sorry I wasn't meaning it to come off like that, Im sorry that it came off that way. I really am, I didn't mean to make you pissed.

MrsJ723 · November 2012

LaSorella:

I think if you have to ask what HDBD, UO or FFFC is every week, then you should consider participating on this board more, lol.

My other UO is....it's not a freakin Holiday tree, it's a Christmas Tree. And if I want to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" then I will.

Yes to both! Every week someone asks what UO stands for...quite annoying!

c-elizabethf · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
cgiles120812:
::truncated multiple quote for space::
Im really sorry I wasn't meaning it to come off like that, Im sorry that it came off that way. I really am, I didn't mean to make you pissed.
I truly appreciate the apology. I just want to you (and others) to know that it isn't about 'making Petra mad', it's about using words that hurt others. Not all the women on this board are thin. Many of us started this pregnancy far heavier than we care for, and for some, they face very real discrimination based on their weight (both in day-to-day life and in terms of appropriate medical care). So, thoughtless comments like a thinner girl calling herself a fatty are just a slap in the face to ladies who are struggling. I really appreciate you saying something to me though. I really do.
Just for the record though, I am actually ok with my weight, this really is about protecting ladies who won't speak up. Of course I'd prefer it to be a smaller number, but after a spinal cord injury, crushing my ankle/leg/pelvis, and a year of injectable IF treatments, I'll take it. Now, call my ute 'dried up' because I'm AMA and prepare for a beat down.

i understand completely, I'm on the overweight side also. Again I'm sorry.

wishuponastar1 · November 2012

I agree with the UO that the board isn't very interesting. It doesn't keep me coming back posting. I don't want drama, but I want something more interesting. Similarly, I kinda don't like that we have so many may moms. It makes it really hard for me to keep people straight and to actually feel like I 'know' any of you.

bananers · November 2012

beaubecca:
I'm way late to the party here on this thread but I had to comment. I'm a little confused as to what PP's want this board to be. I thought the point of a baby centered message board was to share the experience with others in similar circumstances.
So if the warm and fuzzy anatomy scan found out the sex posts get side eyed and the people remarking on how they feel fat or uncomfortable get side eyed and people who ask repeated questions get side eyed and people who ask about baby names get side eyed I'm not sure what else that leaves.
The drama on other boards doesnt make sense to me most of the time for these reasons too. So I stick to this board.
I went through a lot of trouble TTC but I still relate when others complain or worry OR when they are excited for small milestones like finding out the sex. It's not all sunshine and rainbows for anyone but that doesnt mean people dont feel blessed every day. I think people are often looking for someone to identify with where others in your life cant.
Thats my UO for today I guess! I don't want the board to be boring either but I think other boards have posts blow up just because everyone jumps on the mean girls bandwagon out of their own boredom.

Eta fix stupid typos from posting from my phone!

I have no problem with people getting excited to find out the sex of the baby. I can't wait to find out in a week and a half! What makes me stabby is specifically calling it the gender ultrasound, because it's so much more than that. Just call it the anatomy scan or 20 week ultrasound. I feel like people seem to think it's specifically for finding out the sex, and to me that's both naive and disrespectful to the ladies who have gotten bad news at theirs.

KtrynReu · November 2012

beaubecca:
I'm way late to the party here on this thread but I had to comment. I'm a little confused as to what PP's want this board to be. I thought the point of a baby centered message board was to share the experience with others in similar circumstances. So if the warm and fuzzy anatomy scan found out the sex posts get side eyed and the people remarking on how they feel fat or uncomfortable get side eyed and people who ask repeated questions get side eyed and people who ask about baby names get side eyed I'm not sure what else that leaves. The drama on other boards doesnt make sense to me most of the time for these reasons too. So I stick to this board. I went through a lot of trouble TTC but I still relate when others complain or worry OR when they are excited for small milestones like finding out the sex. It's not all sunshine and rainbows for anyone but that doesnt mean people dont feel blessed every day. I think people are often looking for someone to identify with where others in your life cant. Thats my UO for today I guess! I don't want the board to be boring either but I think other boards have posts blow up just because everyone jumps on the mean girls bandwagon out of their own boredom. Eta fix stupid typos from posting from my phone!

It's not that I think people shouldn't be excited about finding out the sex of their baby... I was thrilled when I found out I was having a girl! However, if every single participant on this board makes a thread to announce what sex their baby is, that is all we will have to read all day. Each person does not need to make a seperate post. That's what weekly check-ins and siggy's are for. The first few are exciting - but trust me in the next two months it's going to get really old...

And, I will totally side-eye anyone who comes on here making a post about gaining a few pounds... or that they actually weigh X lbs and are horrified. If it is news to you that you were going to gain weight during pregnancy, then you live under a rock.

HoolahZinger · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
I truly appreciate the apology. I just want to you (and others) to know that it isn't about 'making Petra mad', it's about using words that hurt others. Not all the women on this board are thin. Many of us started this pregnancy far heavier than we care for, and for some, they face very real discrimination based on their weight (both in day-to-day life and in terms of appropriate medical care). So, thoughtless comments like a thinner girl calling herself a fatty are just a slap in the face to ladies who are struggling. I really appreciate you saying something to me though. I really do.
Just for the record though, I am actually ok with my weight, this really is about protecting ladies who won't speak up. Of course I'd prefer it to be a smaller number, but after a spinal cord injury, crushing my ankle/leg/pelvis, and a year of injectable IF treatments, I'll take it. Now, call my ute 'dried up' because I'm AMA and prepare for a beat down.

Smack down on Deethebee!

LadyDelilah · November 2012

My UO is that I cant stand women who think they know EVERYTHING about having babies. I know a lot but not everything. "Ive never circed but I know its bad, Ive never had a complicated pregnancy but I have an opinion on what youre doing wrong, I only nursed but youre using the wrong formula!"

SHUT.THE.HELL.UP. Be constructive and or funny if not just lurk.

ps no one here...

lumosmaxima · November 2012

I can't/don't check TB at work, so I log on at night and skim the posts for the day. First ones that I skip? Name posts, boy/girl updates, GTKY...I actually only read this one because of all the replies...thought maybe there was some internet-style beatdown action.

My UO is that I see absolutely no point in going to birthing classes. I know that some people may not be as knowledgeable about the process, and I most definitely am not a doctor or nurse, but I'm well educated and don't see why I need to sit in a room with a bunch of other pregnant women and pay someone to explain how my vagina will MIRACULOUSLY squeeze out this little wonder. I think its a fool's errand to try and plan anything for the birth beyond registering at the hospital in advance, packing a bag, and arranging childcare...maybe just because I have seen just about every friend's "birth plan" go flying out the window when things happen unexpectedly (breech baby, heartrate issues, induction complications, the list goes on and on...)

gradmommy13 · November 2012

PetraStonegirl:
Here's my UO. It must be unpopular because no one else ever seems to stand up and say something.
WTF is it with people turning a blind eye to all the 'disgusting lazy fatty' comments on this board? It's being pregnant people. Your waistline is going to change.
When you come to a public message board populated by people of all sizes and equate being 'fat' with being a slob or being lazy just because you are pissed that your clothes don't fit, you are doing the exact same thing as people who use words like 'retarded' or 'gay' because they don't like it. If you do this, you suck. If you stand by and ignore it, you may not suck as bad, but you are still on my sh!t list.

Before anyone dealing with body dismorphic disorder gets upset and thinks I'm talking about you, I ask that you remember that I have been very supportive of your struggles. It isn't people's body sizes or insecurities and fears I'm talking about. I'm talking about thoughtlessly rude and flippant comments made by someone who is flipping their sh!t over having a blump. It is totally possible to have a reasonable discussion about weight issues without telling the heavier ladies in the room that they must be disgusting and lazy because they are fat.
::steps off soapbox::

Ugh! I'm so with you on this one! As someone who has struggled with weight my whole life, and especially during this pregnancy, there's nothing more frustrating or annoying than reading a comment about someone who used to weigh 110 pounds and now weighs 120 because of the pregnancy complain about how fat, lazy, and gross they feel! According to their "standards," I should be hating life and having weight-loss surgeries at my 185 lbs.

ETA: I'm totally OK with supporting women who are having real emotional problems with accepting/handling the physical changes because of long-term weight struggles. Heck, I posted 2 posts about that myself and the support I got on this board has helped me tremendously. I'm actually finally beginning to feel comfortable in my own skin, pretty much for the first time in my life. But like Petra pointed out so eloquently, it's the wording that bothers me. Calling yourself a "lazy slob" because you've gained a few pounds is just insulting to so many women here who are already in a fragile state because of the whole weight issue.

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