August 2012 Moms

I don't care. (Drama infused)

Title: I don't care. (Drama infused)

Want some drama? I'll start because I'm in a snarky mood.

I don't care that YOUR baby won't sleep. I have a good sleeper. DS was a good sleeper, too. But even when she's not a good sleeper...I have no patience for people who say, "What can I do to get my newborn to sleep better?" Umm...wait 5 months.

I don't care that you breast feed. Kudos to you and your baby, it's absolutely great that you can. I wish I had the patience and time for it, but honestly, I seriously don't care.

I don't care that you are exhausted. Seriously. Unless you have two kids or more, and you're still on mat leave, there's no reason why you should feel completely exhausted. Take a darn nap. Newborns sleep like at least 20 hours a day. You could at least be getting a broken 12 hours of sleep. (Though, breastfeeding can be exhausting, so maybe I should include those ladies to my exception, too.) I get through every single day without help (well...every day SO is at work). I have the most obnoxious and naughty two year old who throws the most amazing tantrums and quite a needy newborn WHILE he's throwing them. By the end of the day, I'm flacking tired but I'm not going to complain about it every dang day. Beat that. 

I don't care that you feel fat after you had a baby. If you haven't been fat all your life, especially if you just gained weight from having a baby, cry me a river. I don't give a flying flack. Eat well, and workout like there's no tomorrow. This doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the workout posts and such. I think they are great motivators for all of us. But if you're going to complain that you feel fat, I don't care. (Myself not included because I'm pretty sure I complained yesterday feeling like a blob.)

I can go on...but I'll leave some for you. I told you I'm snarky today. 

Feel free to add yours. 

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Re: I don't care. (Drama infused)

  • How to win friends.
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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  • imageMoFree:
    How to win friends.

    Meh. I don't care. 

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  • Would it be beotchy to say I don't care about your home made diapers that you posted on 2 different boards. ??
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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  • Yes

    Not snarky at all...I started realizing this morning that I've been overly obsessed. I've put a hold on that shiz. Thanks for telling me! 

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    imageMoFree:
    How to win friends.

    Meh. I don't care. 

     

    bahahaha.

     

    All seriousness, Ive been skipping over sleep, and EBF posts. Can we just have one big post where people put their not STTN posts? Because as far as I know, some babies don't even STTN until after a year. 

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  • I love this board because of all the things you don't care to hear. It's nice to know I'm not alone when it's the middle of the night. Comforting to have someone anyone to ask questions to, read what others are going through and give support. Sorry that you don't care.
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    I love this board because of all the things you don't care to hear. It's nice to know I'm not alone when it's the middle of the night. Comforting to have someone anyone to ask questions to, read what others are going through and give support. Sorry that you don't care.

    I love this board because at times it's severely entertaining in my non social life. However, I love this board because I can ask questions and see other people are going through the same exact thing as I am. However............fifty million posts of what can I do to get my baby to sleep through the night? Moving on............ There's just some things that I feel have been said way.too.many.times.

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  • THANK YOU! I have been feeling pretty annoyed lately too.

    Can I add, not all babies are beautiful? Sure, you love your baby but it can still look like an elderly alien. I avoid saying a baby is cute if it isn't.
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  • It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
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    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

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    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.

    I entirely disagree with this....but ok. I. Don't. Care.
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    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
     I've also noticed that you rarely offer support or advice but mostly post to either AW or beotch.  Have a nice day.
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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    imageScout2005:

    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better....

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  • Lol I laugh a little because it reminds me of all the gender reveal, gd test, mp, is this labor posts that happened during pg. Having never had a baby before I am curious what the next wave of posts will be.
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    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
    I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR HUSBAND!
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    imageMoFree:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
     I've also noticed that you rarely offer support or advice but mostly post to either AW or beotch.  Have a nice day.

    Damn, Mo, you beat me to it. 

    . ??Great minds do think alike.  
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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  • imageC_mo:
    imageDemoDoll:
    imageRhomonk:
    imageScout2005:

    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.


    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 


    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 


     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better....

    This is the reason I don't use birth or breastfeeding badges. I know how badly it can suck to see all of the "I went natural" or "EBF" badges when circumstances outside of my control kept me from being able to say the same for myeslf.  



    I don't understand the reason for them anyway. I dunno it's like flashing things like "I am good look at me."
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  • imageC_mo:
    imageDemoDoll:
    imageRhomonk:
    imageScout2005:

    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better....

    This is the reason I don't use birth or breastfeeding badges. I know how badly it can suck to see all of the "I went natural" or "EBF" badges when circumstances outside of my control kept me from being able to say the same for myeslf.  

    Couldn't have said it better myself. And I know that's not their intent. They are proud of their accomplishments and I would be too! When nature goes against you it sucks Crying Self pity party over....

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    imageRhomonk:
    imageScout2005:

    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better....

    I'm going to bite too... how you give birth... eh, I don't think you should have a badge of honor. Feeding, however, I have a different opinion about. Demodoll, you are trying to feed baby your breastmilk... that counts for everything!! Way to go. You should feel proud even though you have to supplement with formula. What gets me are the women who don't even attempt to try. Why not? They always have the most selfish excuses like "I don't have time". REALLY? I am a full time mom, student, and teacher and somehow I STILL find time to give my baby breastmilk.  I even pump in the car between work and class. So, yes, I feel like breastfeeding moms deserve a badge of honor. Now, if you have supply issues (you should still TRY to pump), or medical issues (whether physical or emotional) that prevent you from breastfeeding then I understand but to not try at all... I don't get it.  


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    imageC_mo:

    imageMoFree:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
     I've also noticed that you rarely offer support or advice but mostly post to either AW or beotch.  Have a nice day.

    Damn, Mo, you beat me to it. 

    . ??Great minds do think alike.  


    I am in complete agreement with this.
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    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite.

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better....

    I'm going to bite too... how you give birth... eh, I don't think you should have a badge of honor. Feeding, however, I have a different opinion about. Demodoll, you are trying to feed baby your breastmilk... that counts for everything!! Way to go. You should feel proud even though you have to supplement with formula. What gets me are the women who don't even attempt to try. Why not? They always have the most selfish excuses like "I don't have time". REALLY? I am a full time mom, student, and teacher and somehow I STILL find time to give my baby breastmilk.  I even pump in the car between work and class. So, yes, I feel like breastfeeding moms deserve a badge of honor. Now, if you have supply issues (you should still TRY to pump), or medical issues (whether physical or emotional) that prevent you from breastfeeding then I understand but to not try at all... I don't get it.  

    Because I didn't want to. For a host of emotional reasons that are none of any one else's business.

    So?  How does this affect your life in any way?

    I did specifically say in my post that if you have medical issues (either physical or emotional) then it is understandable.  


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    Lol I laugh a little because it reminds me of all the gender reveal, gd test, mp, is this labor posts that happened during pg. Having never had a baby before I am curious what the next wave of posts will be.

    Ah, remember these subjects?:

    Will you get the NT scan?

    Baby showers and etiquette

    I don't feel sick anymore.  Should I be worried?

    How can I avoid stretchmarks?

    How many ultrasounds did you/will you have?

    Gift b*tching.  (OMG...I can't believe they bought me something that wasn't on my registry.  I can't believe insert family member gave me insert gift here and its just not my style.)

    These subjects can be found on all bump boards in their appropriate times.  Just reminiscing.  Wink

     

     

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  • You said you don't care, yet you took the time to write it all down versus just rolling your eyes and moving onto trolling in another thread.
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    I did specifically say in my post that if you have medical issues either physical or emotional then it is understandable. nbsp;


    Because in all honesty I didn't want to. And the beautiful thing of it is that I as the parent had the choice. My kid is fed. That is what really matters.
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    imageBayleighPaws:
    Seriously though guys... I just lost my MP, do you think I'm in labour?

    Dude, didn't you just post your BFP a few hours ago? Fastest pregnancy ever. 

    Seriously!  Did I miss the gender reveal cake?  Crying

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    imageScout2005:

    imageBayleighPaws:
    Seriously though guys... I just lost my MP, do you think I'm in labour?

    Dude, didn't you just post your BFP a few hours ago? Fastest pregnancy ever.  



    Bahahahah I love where this thread has gone.
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    imageJayandEmm:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
    I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR HUSBAND!

    Hey hey now... what about her daughter? 

     Wow, I didn't realize you all dislike me. Or even recognized me on here for that matter since I don't post that often. But I apologize. I really don't mean to be awful. I guess we all have our share of stress and maybe I've been taking it out on you guys. I'm sorry, and that will change. 

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  • imageC_mo:
    imagerMe6411:
    imageScout2005:
    imagerMe6411:
    imageDemoDoll:
    imageRhomonk:
    imageScout2005:

    I don't know whether to run away or play along...

    Eh. I'll bite. 

    I don't care how you gave birth. At all. I'm not giving you a freaking badge and I'm not expecting one in return. I hope every woman gets the birth experience they wanted, and I reserve my caring for those who had a traumatic experience because that really sucks. If you got the med-free, vaginal birth you were hoping for, or the easy breezy RCS you scheduled, bravo for you.

    If you need validation beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. 

    This.  Especially if you feel you should have a badge of honor for how you gave birth or how you feed your child.  There is no right or wrong so why do you feel you need a "trophy"? 

     

    I agree! Every time I see a badge it makes me sad...like "how nice, I was forced to have a c-section and my supply sucks so I have to supplement formula...I suck at being a mom." Now I know 100% that that's not their intent AT ALL...still doesn't make me feel any better.... 

    I'm going to bite too... how you give birth... eh, I don't think you should have a badge of honor. Feeding, however, I have a different opinion about. Demodoll, you are trying to feed baby your breastmilk... that counts for everything!! Way to go. You should feel proud even though you have to supplement with formula. What gets me are the women who don't even attempt to try. Why not? They always have the most selfish excuses like "I don't have time". REALLY? I am a full time mom, student, and teacher and somehow I STILL find time to give my baby breastmilk.  I even pump in the car between work and class. So, yes, I feel like breastfeeding moms deserve a badge of honor. Now, if you have supply issues (you should still TRY to pump), or medical issues (whether physical or emotional) that prevent you from breastfeeding then I understand but to not try at all... I don't get it.  

    Because I didn't want to. For a host of emotional reasons that are none of any one else's business. 

    So?  How does this affect your life in any way? 

    I did specifically say in my post that if you have medical issues (either physical or emotional) then it is understandable.  

    Ugh... really?

    Who exactly are you to say what is and isn't 'understandable'? It's a personal decision, and it doesn't matter if you understand or not. 

    I didn't say I was someone special to say what is and isn't understandable but I (personally) just don't get it. I have plenty of friends who don't BF... do I give them crap and am judgemental of them or try to pressure them into BF? No, I'm not. What I am saying is I just don't understand why some women don't at least try. Yes, it is a personal decision but it is one that I am proud of doing.  I'm sure there is something your proud of that I don't do so it is the same concept. Same reason why this whole post was started about people not caring about others questions, concerns, and personal accomplishments. Everyone has their opinions.  


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  • imagechefnicole22:
    imageC_mo:

    imageJayandEmm:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
    I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR HUSBAND!

    Hey hey now... what about her daughter? 

     Wow, I didn't realize you all dislike me. Or even recognized me on here for that matter since I don't post that often. But I apologize. I really don't mean to be awful. I guess we all have our share of stress and maybe I've been taking it out on you guys. I'm sorry, and that will change. 

    hey dear.

    i think there might have been a quote mix up and don't think they were talking about you.  i don't think so.

    i recognize you.  i like you.  you don't need to change.

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    THANK YOU! I have been feeling pretty annoyed lately too. Can I add, not all babies are beautiful? Sure, you love your baby but it can still look like an elderly alien. I avoid saying a baby is cute if it isn't.

    still working through this thread but LOL at the bold.  I feel this way about my own little elderly alien sometimes.  But he's still cute as hell.

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  • I only have the "power pumper" badge on my siggy so that it's obvious that I EP when I post things about his feeding issues and it's nice to know who we pumpers are on here.

    I just don't click on posts if I'm sick of hearing about the topic...just do the same, kwim?
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  • imagechefnicole22:
    imageC_mo:

    imageJayandEmm:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
    I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR HUSBAND!

    Hey hey now... what about her daughter? 

     Wow, I didn't realize you all dislike me. Or even recognized me on here for that matter since I don't post that often. But I apologize. I really don't mean to be awful. I guess we all have our share of stress and maybe I've been taking it out on you guys. I'm sorry, and that will change. 


    Dude. They were talking about me. Chill. And good to know where I stand. I thought I put advice and questions up just as often as the rest but I guess not. Oh well.
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    I only have the "power pumper" badge on my siggy so that it's obvious that I EP when I post things about his feeding issues and it's nice to know who we pumpers are on here. I just don't click on posts if I'm sick of hearing about the topic...just do the same, kwim?

    Exactly.  


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    imagehooslisa:
    imagechefnicole22:
    imageC_mo:

    imageJayandEmm:
    imagechefnicole22:
    It's always you who writes these long posts about how irritated you are with the boards...you seem to be one crabby lady. Sorry for that.
    I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR HUSBAND!

    Hey hey now... what about her daughter? 

     Wow, I didn't realize you all dislike me. Or even recognized me on here for that matter since I don't post that often. But I apologize. I really don't mean to be awful. I guess we all have our share of stress and maybe I've been taking it out on you guys. I'm sorry, and that will change. 

    hey dear.

    i think there might have been a quote mix up and don't think they were talking about you.  i don't think so.

    i recognize you.  i like you.  you don't need to change.

    I thought they were referencing OP. You're good, chefnicole!

    Thanks! Sorry for the misunderstanding and overreaction then :) 

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  • I'm loving this post because it turns out other people dislike the OP as much as I do. It happened somewhere between her posts about screaming at someone in a parking lot and complaining about a different family member every other day.

    And OP, referencing the post above, I thought You. Didn't. Care. 

  • I have nothing of significance to add (yet) but would just like to extend my sincere gratitude to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Just the entertainment I was looking for this evening. 
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  • ugh. okay.  this isnt fun anymore.  bemyself, i like you too. 

    can we just go back to gifs and bpaws being pregnant.

    pretty please.

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    ugh. okay.nbsp; this isnt fun anymore.nbsp; bemyself, i like you too.nbsp;
    can we just go back to gifs and bpaws being pregnant.
    pretty please.


    I am with you on this. This turned into something just rude. The op didn't single anyone out but people's responses are getting personal for someone I have enjoyed corresponding with.
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