I am curious about your views on vaccines. We aren't sure what we'll be doing yet. H is leaning towards no vaccines.
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Delaying or skipping vaccines used to just be selfish; instead of contributing to the public good of disease eradication through vaccination campaigns, you were relying on the selflessness of others to create a sort of herd immunity. But with a resurgence of measles cases and pertussis reaching epidemic proportions, signifying a breakdown of herd immunity, it's not just selfish, it's downright stupid.
We do not fully vaccinate but we do vaccinate.
With DD we skipped the flu shot and chicken pox vaccine. We have delayed Hep A and her first MMR.
With this LO we will do the same as well as delay the birth dose of Hep B and skip rotovirus.
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We follow the CDC schedule for DD and will with this one as well. The only one we delayed was Hep B, just so I could get BFing well established. We did it at 2w instead of at birth and will do the same this time.
The main reason we do vaccines without deviation is because the diseases these vaccines prevent are serious ones. I would never take a risk with my child's health for some fear which may or may not have any basis in fact. The secondary reason is I really feel like vaccination is a social responsibility and those who can be vaccinated should be to protect those who can't (herd immunity).
Exactly this!
This. We've never done a flu shot and honestly, I don't consider those under the same category as vaccinating. (Some people on the bump like to say you "don't vaccinate" if you don't get a flu shot.)
We delayed both Hep B and Chicken Pox until DD started school.
And like this poster, we spaced out shots, going every month between ages 2 months and approximately 9 months. Our pedi had absolutely no problem with it and said that the CDC sched encourages so many shots at once to encourage compliance (because people are more likely to miss shots if they have to go every month).
I didn't mind going every month, I live within walking distance of the pedi, and my insurance has zero co-pays for shots-only visits. It was worth it to me when I saw that DD had reactions to some of the shots. I can see the benefits, though, of getting the shots all over with in less visits.
We are delaying Hep B until DS is in either school or daycare (You can not give me a convincing reason why an infant needs the Hep B vaccine at birth if no one in the family has Hep
and are considering delaying Chickenpox until school age as well. We are undecided about whether or not to do an annual Flu shot.
We see a pediatrician who is more on the "natural" side and they actually go by a delayed vaccination schedule as their standard. They start at 6 months and do not give more than 2 vaccines at a visit. Their schedule is approved by the CDC and includes all of the normal vaccines besides Flu and Chickenpox, which we would just get elsewhere if we decide to do them. We considered going elsewhere to start vaccinating earlier because we are very pro-vaccine but ultimately we decided his risk factors are low (not in daycare, no siblings in school or daycare, his father and I are up to date on vaccinations, we baby wear when we are out and about, etc). We are comfortable with our decision.
My SIL does has not vaccinated her 16 mo and has done a lot of research before coming to that decision. They will start when she is 2. Her deciding factor is her child is allergic to so many things that she worries about reactions. While I will not do the same for my child I can respect her decision, even though it would not be the choice I would make.
I think every parent will ultimately do what they think is the best thing for their family and what someone thinks about my decisions doesn't really matter to me. Ultimately it's about doing what I feel is best for my child.
It's really a shame that a few uncredible sources can "muddy the waters" so much. Any relieable, evidence-based source supports vaccination.
For me, googling images of "smallpox" solidified my decision to vaccinate. I personally think that any student who is not vaccinated and becomes sick, should be removed from the classroom until symptom-free, or otherwise cleared by a Dr. I also wouldn't allow my child to play with an unvaccinated child if I knew they weren't vaxed.
We largely vax on the CDC schedule. We delayed Hep B as I don't see a need to start that at birth. We also skipped rotovirus and flu (like someone else said, I don't really put those in the same category as other vax). We also delay chickenpox.
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Both of my kids are fully vaccinated. The only ones we delayed were the Hep B and Vit K at birth, we made up for them soon after at the Dr though. I feel like with the information that I have, it's the best decision for my family. I would rather expose them to whatever chemicals that are in vaccines, then the diseases they protect against.
We will vaccinate also. Here in my town in last year we've had several cases of whooping cough because of the lack of vaccinations. I want to say there has been at least three or four and all of the children died. I have mixed feelings about the hep B vaccine, and I'm researching it more thoroughly at present before we make the decision to accept at birth, delay, avoid completely, etc.
This.
Only exception is the chickenpox. We will delay and hope they get it before they are older. If by 12ish, they have not contracted it naturally, then we will vaccinate because it becomes a more serious condition in older children and adults.
I partially vaccinate my children. After researching (with legitimate sources) I feel that the typical vaccines fall into three categories.
1. Absolutely necessary except under extreme circumstances. - many of these vaccines have been around for forever, they protect against nasty diseases that have very ugly outcomes (polio anyone?), and finding a person who the vaccine is inappropriate for is pretty rare. These vaccines are the ones that pro-vaccine activists turn to when they talk about how necessary vaccines are. And they're right (IMO) about these particular ones.
2. Appropriate and necessary for certain kids. Vaccines like those against Rotovirus and the flu fall under this category for me. By the time my son is old enough be protected against rotovirus, the truly dangerous period has passed for him. I'm a SAHM and I exclusively breastfeed which makes his risk for contracting and/or having complications from this significantly lower. This vaccine seems to be appropriate for some children and not for others.
3. Not appropriate for most kids. Hep B is the shot in this category for me. There are situations where getting the vaccine as an infant makes sense. (Like if mom has it...) But you can't convince me that it's a great idea for my son who has no regular contact with anyone with Hep B, will not be sexually active for many years, and doesn't have access to drug needles.
What frustrates me is that, instead of treating each patient as an individual and recommending medical treatment based off of what is best for that individual, the CDC has recommended all vaccines equally. That means that cutting through the crap can be difficult. Failing to vaccinate against Hep B is not the same thing as failing to vaccinate against pertussis. But doctor's push both with equal vigor.
Ditto all of this, especially the bolded. On one hand I totally understand why they take a hardline approach because they don't really want people piecing together their own schedule from a public health perspective, but my child is an individual. I also feel like there are half truths and scare tactics from BOTH sides that makes me not able to trust either side. It's sad really.
For us we do a delayed/selective approach. I look at each individual vax, what it's for, what the typical course of the illness in question is, what worst case scenario is, what the possible side effects of the vax are, etc. and then make a decision from there. DS receives most vaxs, but there are some that I don't feel the benefits outweigh the risks.
I also feel that vaxs aren't the be all, end all that they're made out to be and the CDC and doctors are doing the public a disservice by not being more transparent. Again, I understand why they don't, but I still don't think people should feel as protected by the vaxs and herd immunity, etc. as they do. In fact, the recent whooping cough outbreak is a perfect example, it's "vaccinated" people that are catching and spreading it, but that's not often discussed. Pertussis is actually something fairly difficult to vaccinate for and it only vaxs for a single strain.
Anyway, point being. I don't love vaccines, but we do most of them and hope for the best all around. I just wish there was more open, truthful dialog about them. It's a touchy subject, but I feel like we'd all benefit from more transparency!
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This is us exactly, except we also split up combo shots and only do one at a time. We go every two weeks until we are caught up.
This isn't accurate. All states have medical exemptions allowing you to opt out of vaccines for public school with doctor's support. All states except West Virginia and Mississippi allow for religious exemptions, and many states also allow for philosophical exemptions as well.
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My son is Vaccinated, with the exception of the flu shot (every single year I got one, I ended up with the worst kind of flu's, compared to when I didn't... so far that has worked for my LO as well) but living in Canada, I think the approach to vaccines here is a little different.
I originally wasn't going to get my LO the Chicken Pox vaccine, but when I discussed it with my doctor and with my mom, I was reminded of just how badly my younger sister got the chicken pox when she was little, and it was bad. We opted to get it.
I'm on the fence. I don't have any problems with families that don't vaccinate, and I wouldn't hesitate for my son to play with a kid that isn't. The families I met that I have a "no vaccine" rule, are actually really healthy people. While in the hospital ER waiting room after my son fell and hit his head really hard as an 18 month old (he was totally fine), I met a father and daughter waiting that had the "no vaccine" rule. The daughter was just there for stitches, and at 17 years old, had never even had a cold in her life and never needed to visit the hospital until needing stitches. While I was impressed with that, I disagree with her not getting a tetanus shot after getting stitches, because tetanitus (sp?) is a scary thing. Here in Canada, you just need a note from your family doctor (or any practicing doctor) for your children to go to school, and there's no further issues.
I think it's an individual choice, that shouldn't be ridiculed or put down by others. While I know it's off topic, I own a horse that I've had for 9 years that I keep boarded at a facility close to my home. Before I had children, I had lots of practice with vaccines because of owning him. It's pretty much the same between horse people, whether or not to vaccinate for certain diseases because the vaccines themselves can cause problems in rare cases. My horse has minor health problems, and getting a disease while he already has those problems would be deadly. I'd hate to make the decision to not vaccinate and then have him (or in this instance, my son) get that disease and have something horrible happen.
That's just the way I look at it, with my LO and my 4 legged not-so-LO. lol.
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This - but our vaccines will be on an extended schedule. This allows us to avoid too many chemicals in baby's body at once (helps decrease a lot of the risk associated with vaccines) and more easily identify what vax he is reacting to if he has a bad reaction. I am planning on using Dr. Sears's vax schedule.
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We vaccinate 100% on schedule.
Why?
Because SCIENCE.
Because children are still dying or becoming disabled in other countries from vaccine preventable diseases like polio.
Because babies are dying right here, in this country, from vaccine preventable diseases like Pertussis which are once again cropping up because people are not getting their vaccinations and boosters.
Because herd immunity.
Because of vast swathes of lives saved by vaccination.
Because every single legitimate scientific study of vaccination/immunization shows them to be both effective and extremely safe.
My daughter will be getting every single vaccination (including the only one I really questioned, chicken pox, because her dad has never had it and as an adult should definitely not catch it) including Gardasil, on schedule.
Because I love her. Because I want her to be safe. But even more importantly, because I want to protect all the other people who she might come in contact with.
I'm curious why you include delaying in with skipping entirely--as many delayed schedules only delay by a couple weeks or months? I can see that this opens additional time to exposure, but is it really fair to say that delaying is just as bad as skipping? Not trying to cause a fight, just curious. I can see the advantages of delaying by spreading vaccines out in order to know what caused allergies or reactions.
Yep.
All vaccinations for #1, we'll do all vaccinations for #2, with the exception of flu shots. No one in our family gets those; they simply don't seem to be worth it.
We delay the Hep B (1st dr appt, not at birth) and decline the prophylactic eye ointment at birth, since both of those are really not needed at the time (the eye goo not at all), but everything else is on schedule.
We have had NO issues and anticipate none, as well. If you are really concerned, a delayed/ more spread out schedule is a safe option.
I was wondering this as well, but then realized it doesn't really matter since my pedi was 100% comfortable with our schedule and the decision can't be unmade at this point. I do find it amusing, however, that I held off on chickenpox until DD started school in New York State (required there for school) and now that we live somewhere else, chickenpox vax aren't required at all. Both the director of her school and her current pediatrician asked me why in the world there was a chickenpox vaccine listed on her record.
Unfortunately this is a very hard decision for me. Most people do not do enough research to to realize the effect of vaccines(beyond autism). As stated in Dr. Sears book about vaccines in the Preface, Drs never take one class on vaccinations, they are extremely knowledgeable in the field of the actual disease, but get all of the their info on vaccines straight from the Big Pharm companies. These companies make billions of dollars annually. My sister has done a huge amount of research on this topic and elected to not vaccinate her son. He is 2 years old and has never been sick, never has even an ear infection. He are a couple articles just so people can see that if you do the research you can find the info.
CDC on the topic of the Pertussis outbreak and heard immunity:
"We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren't vaccinated. However, we don't think those exemptors are driving this current wave. "https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html
Peer reviewed article from PubMed on the use of Aluminum in vaccines .
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21568886/
There is aslo a great documentary called The Greater Good, that interview both sides of the debate.
P.S.- I am currently TTC, and have not made my decision. I have a lot of research to still do. I am not pushing my view, simply putting it out there that there are respected articles that can be found. I do not think any parent should be judged on what they feel is the best decision for their own child. Whether they vaccinate or not.
There is not a single legitimate study that has found any connection whatsoever between vaccinations and autism. Not one. The one study that did attempt to connect them has been shown to have basically been a massive fraud.
Also? The whole 'never been sick' thing is such a non sequiter. Ear infections, colds, etc have absolutely zipdoodle to do with vaccinations. They will neither protect from them nor cause you to have them. That's like saying "I've always driven a car but never got hit on the head with a piano!". I mean sure, driving a car exposes you to physical damage, and a piano falling on your head is physical damage, but they have nothing to do with eachother.
BTW, Tomljenovic and Shaw who wrote the paper you mentioned up there? Are known anti-vaxers who work for an opthalmology department (you know, eyes, vision) and not actually epidemiologists or chemists.
I think what the poster was saying was that there can be serious risks and side effects that have nothing to do with autism. It's very rare, but it can happen, and I think pp is right that many parents are completely unaware of the possibility, and many drs don't mention it because of the fear already surrounding vaccines. I would never choose not to vaccinate because of the immensely tiny chance of, say, permanent disability (yes, it can happen) but it's fair to say that people ought to be informed.
We vaccinate on the CDC schedule, except for Hep B at birth.
We do so b/c the benefits of vaccines far exceed any risks and all scientific evidence strongly suggests that it's what is in the best interest of my children.