Vaccines? Y or N?

Bethany269

I do follow an alternate schedule, spacing them out, so my children never get/got more than 1-2 at a time.  I skipped the Hep B at birth, didn't see the need, but I am planning on getting them for DS and DD before they enter school.  The only reason I had them get the chicken pox vaccine is because DH has never had the chicken pox, and never shows immunity.  If DS or DD got it then the risk of DH would be too great.  

 

My doctor is completely comfortable with the spaced out schedule.  Daycare has never questioned it.  Will see what happens when school starts.  They also just switched daycares, so hopefully there won't be an issue. 

mjr12

rachelrm87:

If your child hasn't received certain vaccines by the time they start school, public school won't allow your child to start the school year until they are up to date. Check your state's laws before saying no to all vaccines. 

This is NOT TRUE!  Each state has exemptions.  

I encourage you to do your research.  About 80% of kids that are getting pertussis (whooping cough) are VACCINATED. 

https://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323187#ixzz240mYdKZ8

From the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html

ELIZABETH WEISE: Hi, thanks for taking my question. You say the rates of illness are going up. You say they are cyclical. Is this part of the cycle or is it related to efforts by some to encourage peo

ple not to be vaccinated? 

ANNE SCHUCHAT: Yes, thank you for that question. We think there are many things going on. Pertussis is a cyclical disease and the vaccines are not perfect. So even with increasing vaccination coverage, we expect to still have cycles. We think there are some unusual epidemiologic features that have caused us to launch a more detailed investigation in Washington State. Waning of immunity or a weakening of the time or waning of protection over time may be part of the story that we're seeing. On the other hand, we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren't vaccinated. However, we don't think those exemptors are driving this current wave. We think it is a bad thing that people aren't getting vaccinated or exempting, but we cannot blame this wave on that phenomenon. Next question. 

OPERATOR: Next question from Maggie Fox from NBC. Your line is open. 

MAGGIE FOX: Hi, I wonder if you can review for us what the reasons were for going from the whole sale vaccine to the acellular vaccine and what the differences are in the immunity that each provides?

ANNE SCHUCHAT: That is a great question and it will take a fairly long answer. First off, wholecell pertussis vaccines are widely used in many parts of the world. But in the U.S., we have not been using them since 1997. The wholecell pertussis vaccines were also different. Some companies? products performed differently than others. It is difficult to give a precise estimate of how well they worked because they were not all one thing. We know the wholecell pertussis vaccines had a fairly high rate of minor and short-term side effects like fever and pain and swelling at the injection site. Those were fairly common reactions. And the acellular pertussis vaccines have a lower rate of the fever and transient side effects. There were also rare, but serious neurologic adverse reactions, including chronic neurologic problems that occurred among children that recently received wholecell vaccines. Studies have not been consistent about whether the vaccine actually caused those chronic neurologic problems. Yet there was substantial public concern about them and not just in the U.S., but in other countries. That led to a concerted effort to develop a vaccine with an improved safety profile. We know that the acellular pertussis vaccines, much less local reactions than the wholecell vaccines. Question of the neurologic issues is still not so clear. The current acellular pertussis vaccines have a good safety record and they are fairly effective. In young children, we think that within a couple of years of vaccination the Dtap series is 95 percent protection. Five years later after the series, we think it wanes to 70 percent. That going down from 95 percent effectiveness to 70 percent may be why we see this increase in the older children or young teens. Next question.

I am happy to provide more information, but I encourage to read "The Vaccine Book" and visit Dr. Sear's website.  I find the amount of aluminum and mercury in vaccines troubling.

https://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines/vaccine-faqs

If I could sum up the aluminum controversy in three sentences, it would be this. There is good evidence that large amounts of aluminum are harmful to humans. There is no solid evidence that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is harmful to infants and children. No one has actually studied vaccine amounts of aluminum in healthy human infants to make sure it is safe. Should we now stop and research this matter? Or should we just go on and continue to hope that it is safe? -Dr. Sears

Also, here's a list of ingredients.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

My son is not vaccinated.  If he chooses to be vaccinated later in life, he may do so.  Reactions do happen, as do deaths, simply saying there isn't sufficient data to support concern doesn't mean that something is SAFE. Where are the vaccine maker's liability?   

Each and every parent needs to do their OWN research.  Simply doing what your doctor says isn't good enough.  Oftentimes, Doctors can get bonuses for making sure that patients are fully vaccinated. 

One more thing: The CDC even admits that the flu shot is about 60% effective for WELL MATCHED subjects. It is also still one of the vaccinations that do contain thimerosal.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm