S/O the leash post below

KateLouise · July 2012

I'm not a huge fan of leashes, but I'm not completely anti them either. I've never needed to use one, but I'm not ruling out using it at some point in the future.

What I can't quite understand however, is people who are really anti a leash but completely ok with strollers.

I'm not talking about using a stroller in the case of going for a big walk that is too far for little legs. Or having it so LO can get in and out as suits them. I'm talking about using a stroller in the situation where it's easier to have your LO contained either for safety or convenience. You know where they are, they can't get away from you, and you don't need to keep your eyes or hands on them the whole time.

Now I'm ok with stroller use too, but to me using a stroller as above is no better or worse than a leash. Although perhaps with a leash your LO is getting some exercise and movement.

So if you're not ok with a leash, is a stroller better to you? and if so why?

This is in no way intended to be snarky, I just honestly don't see the difference. To my mind if you think a leash is treating your child like an animal, then isn't "caging" them in a stroller just the same?

Thoughts?

phq2011 · July 2012

I think it may have something to do with the fact we use leashes for pets, but strollers for babies. You don't have a "pet stroller". It is the word-likeness I think that starts this mindset. Idk though, I don't judge either.

KateLouise · July 2012

phq2011:
I think it may have something to do with the fact we use leashes for pets, but strollers for babies. You don't have a "pet stroller". It is the word-likeness I think that starts this mindset. Idk though, I don't judge either.

So if we called it a "safety link" people wouldn't immediately make the dog/animal connection? That makes sense.

punkrockabye · July 2012

phq2011:
I think it may have something to do with the fact we use leashes for pets, but strollers for babies. You don't have a "pet stroller". It is the word-likeness I think that starts this mindset. Idk though, I don't judge either.

There are definitely pet strollers! LOL not that I am justifying them in any way, mind you.

I don't like the idea of leashes necessarily, but I'm not too fond of strollers, either. We have one because someone bought us one and it would have been a nightmare to try to return (Graco, but I literally could not find this travel system anywhere). We didn't/don't really plan on using one for a while. We'll carry and wear the baby. We were planning on getting a higher quality umbrella stroller for when she's a toddler and wants up and down more than is convenient for wearing her all the time. I see WAY too many people pushing these Jeep sized strollers with one hand while carrying a child in the other arm because the kid didn't want to be in the stroller. I didn't feel like spending the money. Since we have one, we're going to try to use it... although it's huge, we live on a 3rd floor walkup, and I don't think our lifestyle doesn't really necessitate a big travel system.

I can't imagine using a stroller simply as a child "container" because I would not want to hear my kid throw an absolute fit because she wants out! If the kid is content, then they clearly want to be in it, so I wouldn't be opposed to keeping it that way.

KateLouise · July 2012

punkrockabye:
I can't imagine using a stroller simply as a child "container" because I would not want to hear my kid throw an absolute fit because she wants out! If the kid is content, then they clearly want to be in it, so I wouldn't be opposed to keeping it that way.

i see zombie kids at the mall all the time. completely zoned out in the stroller. now to be fair they may have just run around all morning and simply be in the troller because now they're tired.

i've contained dd1 in a stroller twice. i felt bad for her but i had stuff that i needed to happen. i did let her out to stretch her legs when she got antsy, but i simply didn't have time to walk at her pace and stop and look at everything she wanted to. she zoned out and was generally content, but i didn't consider it excellent parenting.

dreambig527 · July 2012

I never had a leash on my when I was a kid. And I doubt my mother ever used a stroller to "contain" me in one spot. I do remember going to places like Disneyworld and my parents doing things like - *gasp* keeping an eye on me to make sure they knew where I was! We held hands, they never let us leave their side. You know, NORMAL things, rather than treating us like animals, teaching us that it's wrong to run off and that you must stay by mommy's side and where mommy can see you.

And my mother did it with not just 1 but 5 children! The horrors!

Ok sorry. I don't mean to be overly snarky. In all seriousness -people need to do what they need to do to keep their kids safe. Strollers I think are more of a convenience, most have spots to put drinks, snacks, bags...etc. Provide kids with shade when it's hot and sunny...etc. I think they're only considered OK because they are so widely accepted for so many years. Give the "safety links" time and they'll get there.

ADDED: Sorry. I really didn't mean to be overly snarky. I'm cranky and uncomfortable today. I think I'm better off not posting

mest1215 · July 2012

I've never personally used one, but i can see both sides of it. I think while it is important when you child is old enough to teach them that they should hold your hand and listen/learn how to behave in public, but i also get that if you are somewhere that a stroller is inconvenient and its unsafe to jsut "trust" your toddler will not run out in the street or something to put them on one.

tma1685 · July 2012

I've had a stroller for all of my kids. But with Graco strollers you can attach toys to them. I used them more when they were babies. By time they were toddlers they all have became really independent and wanted to walk but they learned very quickly they had to stay with me.

For the twins we bought a stroller that has toy attachment spots plus the front seat turns around so the boys can interact with each other. I've always tried to make sure the stroller didn't feel like prison to them. For the most part its worked.

ks3pink · July 2012

I hate leashes because they look inhumane and I feel like there is more of a chance of the kid getting hurt if the parent gets angry (and most of the parents I've seen using leashes are the irresponsible and full of attitude kind). I also think a lot of parents use strollers for convience, somewhere to but bags and drinks, etc. Also what kid wouldn't prefer being pushed around to being restrained by a leash like a dog? Seems like common sense to me.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

Mama_SAS · July 2012

ks3pink:
I hate leashes because they look inhumane and I feel like there is more of a chance of the kid getting hurt if the parent gets angry (and most of the parents I've seen using leashes are the irresponsible and full of attitude kind). I also think a lot of parents use strollers for convience, somewhere to but bags and drinks, etc. Also what kid wouldn't prefer being pushed around to being restrained by a leash like a dog? Seems like common sense to me.

That?s just judgmental and insulting. How the hell do you know anything about the parents or kids by seeing 10 seconds of their life? You?re not new here judging by your join date. You should already know that you don?t know anyone?s lyfe.

For example -

Due to DS?s auditory sensory issues he flipped out whenever we were in a crowd and it got loud. Due to his ADHD/impulsivity he would bolt, usually toward the road since the road isn't crowded & he loves vehicles. Also due to his auditory sensory issues he can't distinguish one voice from another when there is a lot of noise and can't hear me yelling "Stop!?Due to my illness and chronic pain disorder that was triggered by childbirth, I could not chase him. I could barely walk at the time because I was not on a good pain management plan.Because of this I strapped a monkey backpack on him (with the end around my wrist) every afternoon for months and walked around our neighborhood. He had to hold my hand, but if he twisted out of my grasp and ran he was still attached to me and could only go 2-3 feet away. We practiced walking and practiced staying with me instead of running when upset and practiced telling me when he was upset, when it was too loud, when he felt bad (overstimulated).By the time he was 3 I felt it was safe to bring him out without it despite his special needs and my disability. If it wasn't for that monkey backpack I would have had him strapped screaming in a stroller until he was much older, which doesn't teach a thing except to hate going anywhere. So, yeah, I guess I?m irresponsible and full of attitude.

Mama_SAS · July 2012

LoisLane23:
Seriously, what 3 year old wants to just go along for a ride in a stroller for multiple hours?

No clue. DS hated being in a stroller. He hates anything where his arms are pressed to his sides even lightly - tactile sensory - but other than that a stroller is so passive. So is babywearing. Both are convenient and great and have their place, but I think the monkey backpack was far better than the others between the ages of 18months - 3 years for DS. You can?t teach a kid how to behave in public or walk with you from a stroller or from on your back. A monkey backpack is a great safety device. And as I?ve said before, you can ignore your kid or interact with your kid in any of them - no item is inherently bad. That?s just ridiculous.

ks3pink · July 2012

LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.

ks3pink · July 2012

Mama_SAS:
ks3pink:
I hate leashes because they look inhumane and I feel like there is more of a chance of the kid getting hurt if the parent gets angry (and most of the parents I've seen using leashes are the irresponsible and full of attitude kind). I also think a lot of parents use strollers for convience, somewhere to but bags and drinks, etc. Also what kid wouldn't prefer being pushed around to being restrained by a leash like a dog? Seems like common sense to me.

That?s just judgmental and insulting. How the hell do you know anything about the parents or kids by seeing 10 seconds of their life? You?re not new here judging by your join date. You should already know that you don?t know anyone?s lyfe.

For example -
Due to DS?s auditory sensory issues he flipped out whenever we were in a crowd and it got loud. Due to his ADHD/impulsivity he would bolt, usually toward the road since the road isn't crowded & he loves vehicles. Also due to his auditory sensory issues he can't distinguish one voice from another when there is a lot of noise and can't hear me yelling "Stop!?Due to my illness and chronic pain disorder that was triggered by childbirth, I could not chase him. I could barely walk at the time because I was not on a good pain management plan.Because of this I strapped a monkey backpack on him (with the end around my wrist) every afternoon for months and walked around our neighborhood. He had to hold my hand, but if he twisted out of my grasp and ran he was still attached to me and could only go 2-3 feet away. We practiced walking and practiced staying with me instead of running when upset and practiced telling me when he was upset, when it was too loud, when he felt bad (overstimulated).By the time he was 3 I felt it was safe to bring him out without it despite his special needs and my disability. If it wasn't for that monkey backpack I would have had him strapped screaming in a stroller until he was much older, which doesn't teach a thing except to hate going anywhere. So, yeah, I guess I?m irresponsible and full of attitude.

You got the last part right.

You obviously had a unique situation. I didn't say all parents using leashes were irresponsible and full of attitude, I said most. Yes this can be determined from about 2 minutes in a Walmart,

ks3pink · July 2012

LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
I think the fact that you spank your 18 month old for not understanding your commands is pretty f'ucking ugly.
I absolutely would never trust you anywhere near my child and frankly, I'm pretty disgusted that you are a teacher. There are hundreds of ways to discipline a child that don't involve abuse. I think I'll try those first.

Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.

Mama_SAS · July 2012

ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

You would beat your kid?s ass for letting their emotions show on their face? You need serious help.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

Mama_SAS:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

You would beat your kid?s ass for letting their emotions show on their face? You need serious help.

Hold me. I seriously think I'm having a stroke over here.

Bambina54 · July 2012

These are pretty cool for older kids if you have a smart phone.

https://www.safetyslap.com/

melody921 · July 2012

I have never used a leash (or harness or whatever else you want to call it). I just think that it's easier to have DS in a stroller so that if he's tired, he can rest. If we're running errands, I don't have to worry about what he's touching, and I have my hands free for whatever I need. If he wants to read a book or have a snack, he can do so in comfort. He doesn't mind the stroller, and I see nothing wrong with it. If he were on a leash and got tired, we'd be out of luck. And I've been very few places where strollers weren't convenient.

ks3pink · July 2012

elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.

Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

ks3pink · July 2012

LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.
I'm prepared to light this b!tch up with gifs shortly.
I'm going to teach my child responsible behavior. Ya know, the whole "no hitting/fighting" thing.
There's just something about beating my child to reinforce that hitting is bad that seems... I don't know... off.

When do you plan to start teaching right from wrong? I would think you teach it as situations arise. Again a simple 2 to 3 pops on the butt is not beating. If you really don't like it then take away toys, use time out, whatever, but when my kid does something wrong they are going to get corrected right then and there not when I feel like they are "developmentally ready". If they are ready to do something wrong they are ready to find out its wrong.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.

Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

You realize toddler don't comprehend the word "disrespectful" right? Wait, you don't, do you? They aren't teenagers and can't be treated the same. We shape them and guide them. We don't smack them because they did something natural. Your kid is growing to grow up afraid to do anything, mark my words. Stand up for myself? I'll get hit. Question mom? I'll get hit. Oh and since you think hitting is ok if someone disrepects you, I hope you've never uttered a pissed off word at any other adult because by your standards, that would warrant getting your ass kicked.

mollybloom · July 2012

ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.

Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

Hitting =/= teaching. What you are doing is modeling that violence is the way to handle situations that you are not intelligent enough to handle in any other way.

Good job, teach.

Hopefully, your DD will learn how to handle situations without using violence when she winds up in therapy because her mommy is a monster.

ks3pink · July 2012

Huntsvillemama2012:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
I think the fact that you spank your 18 month old for not understanding your commands is pretty f'ucking ugly.
I absolutely would never trust you anywhere near my child and frankly, I'm pretty disgusted that you are a teacher. There are hundreds of ways to discipline a child that don't involve abuse. I think I'll try those first.
Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.
Bless your heart sweetie. Your even having twins. Please to come back next year and tell us about how you moved from hand, to shoe, to belt, to spoon, to switch because your hand wasn't hurting them enough.

Yep, I'm having twins, even more reason to be strict. And I would never use an object to spank my kid. That would be abuse. Its not about hurting them, its about getting their attention. The same reason you pop a 1 year old's hand and tell them no when they try to pick up breakable objects off a coffee table. It gets their attention.

jkjacq71 · July 2012

ks3pink:
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

FFS, Are you for real? What are you going to do when your kid turns around after you have whipped their "little butt" and says "that didn't hurt". You can discipline and teach without spanking (and I am not against a swat on the behind) but some kids don't learn from having their little butt "reddened". That just sickens me.

Much like Mama SAS, I also had a kid that would bolt. And a harness helped him learn to stop and think prior to taking off. You know what? He was NOT a discipline problem in school, he managed to make it all the way through high school and graduate and is a very polite young man who didn't get run over by a car because he had a HARNESS!

gisa886 · July 2012

ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.
Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

SHE IS A TODDLER!!! She doesn't know that look is disrespectful. Man, you are thick.

morethancottoncandy · July 2012

elmoali:
Mama_SAS:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

You would beat your kid?s ass for letting their emotions show on their face? You need serious help.

Hold me. I seriously think I'm having a stroke over here.

What the actual fuucck. Not to be cliche, but honestly, I feel so sorry for your children. Congratulations on beating your kid into mindless compliance.

ks3pink · July 2012

elmoali:
ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.
Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.
You realize toddler don't comprehend the word "disrespectful" right? Wait, you don't, do you? They aren't teenagers and can't be treated the same. We shape them and guide them. We don't smack them because they did something natural. Your kid is growing to grow up afraid to do anything, mark my words. Stand up for myself? I'll get hit. Question mom? I'll get hit. Oh and since you think hitting is ok if someone disrepects you, I hope you've never uttered a pissed off word at any other adult because by your standards, that would warrant getting your ass kicked.

I don't hit my kid. I spank. Obviously there are some adults here who would have benefited from a few in their younger years. You think a toddler doesn't understand when you tell them something is ugly or not nice? You don't give kids enough credit.

Daniella4 · July 2012

I am totally for the use of a "leash"...I find it ridiculous for parents to be against them. My mother used one for me that went around her wrist and around mine. I have the same kind for my girls. And my girls like it b/c they are able to get out and walk.

For me the leash is good for toddlers that may be too big for a stroller or those who just need a break from riding. The leash is a safety factor for me and it makes it easier for the child to walk beside you rather than trying to hold your hand. Not to mention it keeps your child from running around like their at home instead of a public place. I say kudos to parents who care enough to use them!

RedWingsFan · July 2012

Bless your hear, ks3.

As a mom of 2-year old twins, I would just like to say good luck with your theories and strategies. I wish I could be there to laugh at you when one kid runs one way, and the other goes a different direction, and you have a panic attack because you are in a parking lot.

Or when one kid refuses to hold your hand and makes you drag them while the other one wants to be put down because he doesn't want to be held anymore.

Trust me on this one - all of your parenting theories can go out the window when you have twins. You will be in survival mode the first couple years.

Mama_SAS · July 2012

ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.
It's absolutely no different than a stroller.
ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.
No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."
See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.
Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.
Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

How horrible. First, because your kid is going to be beaten for having feelings. Having feelings isn?t ?trying your parents?. Acting on those feelings is ?trying your parents.? after a certain age. For toddler it?s developmentally normal boundary testing.

Second, you are going to miss so many teaching opportunities, teach. ?I see that you are mad and don?t like what I?m telling you. It?s OK to be mad and you don?t have to like it but you still have to listen to what I?m saying and do what you?re told.? It?s awesome when your kids feel comfortable enough to share their feelings with you without fear of being beaten.

ks3pink · July 2012

LoisLane23:
ks3pink:

Yep, I'm having twins, even more reason to be strict. And I would never use an object to spank my kid. That would be abuse. Its not about hurting them, its about getting their attention. The same reason you pop a 1 year old's hand and tell them no when they try to pick up breakable objects off a coffee table. It gets their attention.
I don't do that either. I baby proof my house so that my child is free to explore her surroundings safely. Your child can't even live safely.

Bahahahahahha. Babyproofing is blocking wall sockets and locking cabinets. I would never put things away just because I had a kid in the house. What do you do when you visit someone who has pictures and what nots sitting around?

MommaG123 · July 2012

ks3pink:

I don't hit my kid. I spank. Obviously there are some adults here who would have benefited from a few in their younger years. You think a toddler doesn't understand when you tell them something is ugly or not nice? You don't give kids enough credit.

ks3pink:

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red.

Yeah no. Hitting them so hard their butt is bright red and they can't run is not just spaking.

gisa886 · July 2012

RedWingsFan:
Bless your hear, ks3.
As a mom of 2-year old twins, I would just like to say good luck with your theories and strategies. I wish I could be there to laugh at you when one kid runs one way, and the other goes a different direction, and you have a panic attack because you are in a parking lot.
Or when one kid refuses to hold your hand and makes you drag them while the other one wants to be put down because he doesn't want to be held anymore.
Trust me on this one - all of your parenting theories can go out the window when you have twins. You will be in survival mode the first couple years.

She'll just whip their azzes. Poor kids.

ks3pink · July 2012

Scout2005:
LoisLane23:
ks3pink:

Yep, I'm having twins, even more reason to be strict. And I would never use an object to spank my kid. That would be abuse. Its not about hurting them, its about getting their attention. The same reason you pop a 1 year old's hand and tell them no when they try to pick up breakable objects off a coffee table. It gets their attention.
I don't do that either. I baby proof my house so that my child is free to explore her surroundings safely. Your child can't even live safely.
Who the FARK pops a 1 year old's hand?! Is this actual life?

Only every parent I know. Some of you really need to visit the South I guess, maybe that's why my style seems so foreign. Its worked for ages.

NotSharknado · July 2012

I'm in the I couldn't give a flying fluck what you do with your kid camp, but spanking a baby,( and yes an 18 month old IS a baby) doesn't sit well with me. I give you the stink eye.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
elmoali:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

Hold the f'ucking phone. You would spank a toddler for a LOOK? If you aren't a troll, I'm going to go balls to the wall and say I feel sorry for your kid. I've never said that on here, ever. But really. If anyone needs to learn something, it's you. Patience, for one, and an understanding of typical toddler behavior.

Yes, that look while she was explaining something that could be life or death is extremely disrespectful. It may be typical behavior but that doesn't make it ok, you have to teach them what's right and wrong. That attitude of trying your parents will blossom into much more if they get away with it at that age.

You realize toddler don't comprehend the word "disrespectful" right? Wait, you don't, do you? They aren't teenagers and can't be treated the same. We shape them and guide them. We don't smack them because they did something natural. Your kid is growing to grow up afraid to do anything, mark my words. Stand up for myself? I'll get hit. Question mom? I'll get hit. Oh and since you think hitting is ok if someone disrepects you, I hope you've never uttered a pissed off word at any other adult because by your standards, that would warrant getting your ass kicked.

I don't hit my kid. I spank. Obviously there are some adults here who would have benefited from a few in their younger years. You think a toddler doesn't understand when you tell them something is ugly or not nice? You don't give kids enough credit.

You're a teacher, huh? Let me work it out for you. Spank, verb - slap * Slap, verb - hit Therefore, spank = hit

mollybloom · July 2012

ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
ks3pink:

Yep, I'm having twins, even more reason to be strict. And I would never use an object to spank my kid. That would be abuse. Its not about hurting them, its about getting their attention. The same reason you pop a 1 year old's hand and tell them no when they try to pick up breakable objects off a coffee table. It gets their attention.

I don't do that either. I baby proof my house so that my child is free to explore her surroundings safely. Your child can't even live safely.

Bahahahahahha. Babyproofing is blocking wall sockets and locking cabinets. I would never put things away just because I had a kid in the house. What do you do when you visit someone who has pictures and what nots sitting around?

Dude, seriously, you are making me want to call CPS in Nashville, NC and have them knock on every damn door until they find your azz.

violaplayer · July 2012

RedWingsFan:
Bless your hear, ks3.
As a mom of 2-year old twins, I would just like to say good luck with your theories and strategies. I wish I could be there to laugh at you when one kid runs one way, and the other goes a different direction, and you have a panic attack because you are in a parking lot.
Or when one kid refuses to hold your hand and makes you drag them while the other one wants to be put down because he doesn't want to be held anymore.
Trust me on this one - all of your parenting theories can go out the window when you have twins. You will be in survival mode the first couple years.

Thanks Red Wings, you beat me to it! I have 1.5 year old twin boys. And they hate the stroller. Yep, we have leashes.

And OMFG, this biatch has just got to be a troll. Nobody is this stupid, right? Right?!?! $hit, someone hold me.....

ks3pink · July 2012

LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
I don't hit my kid. I spank. Obviously there are some adults here who would have benefited from a few in their younger years. You think a toddler doesn't understand when you tell them something is ugly or not nice? You don't give kids enough credit.
...and here comes Antoine to save the day.

Glad you are able to find gifs to describe yourself. Guess you're out of adult reasoning.

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