S/O the leash post below

phq2011 · July 2012

SGC29:
I was staying out of this. But I just can't.
You want to hear a funny story ks3pink?
My parents raised me VERY similarly to how you are raising your kids. I was taught that gay people were going to hell. They followed the whole "spare the rod spoil the child" logic. I was spanked from a young age. I was spanked for just about anything. They were a southern conservative family with strict values and it was a difficult environment to live in to say the least.
You want to know what kind of relationship I have with them now?
I don't.
I cannot stand my parents. I hate everything they stand for and I pretty much disagree with everything they did to myself and my siblings growing up. I speak to them, occassionally, but I keep my emotional distance. Because I feel almost nothing for them. I wish I could say I love my parents, but I don't. I hope they live wonderful lives and I wish nothing but the best for them. But I wish I could have nothing to do with them. I wish I could cut ties. I don't feel a bond with them. I feel embarrassed FOR them.
Simmer on that a bit.

Minus the southern bit, this is my parents' house too.

As to your classroom being silent, what the hell do you do? Tell them that if they don't respect you, you'll send them home to their parents for a "red butt" later?

ks3pink · July 2012

phq2011:
SGC29:
I was staying out of this. But I just can't.
You want to hear a funny story ks3pink?
My parents raised me VERY similarly to how you are raising your kids. I was taught that gay people were going to hell. They followed the whole "spare the rod spoil the child" logic. I was spanked from a young age. I was spanked for just about anything. They were a southern conservative family with strict values and it was a difficult environment to live in to say the least.
You want to know what kind of relationship I have with them now?
I don't.
I cannot stand my parents. I hate everything they stand for and I pretty much disagree with everything they did to myself and my siblings growing up. I speak to them, occassionally, but I keep my emotional distance. Because I feel almost nothing for them. I wish I could say I love my parents, but I don't. I hope they live wonderful lives and I wish nothing but the best for them. But I wish I could have nothing to do with them. I wish I could cut ties. I don't feel a bond with them. I feel embarrassed FOR them.
Simmer on that a bit.
Minus the southern bit, this is my parents' house too.
As to your classroom being silent, what the hell do you do? Tell them that if they don't respect you, you'll send them home to their parents for a "red butt" later?

No, they know that disrespect in the classroom or disrupting instructional time results in out of school suspension if reported by the teacher and they know that I want hesitate to send them out so that their classmates can learn.

kategw · July 2012

ks3pink:
LoisLane23:

ks3pink:
Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.

I'm prepared to light this b!tch up with gifs shortly.

I'm going to teach my child responsible behavior. Ya know, the whole "no hitting/fighting" thing.

There's just something about beating my child to reinforce that hitting is bad that seems... I don't know... off.

When do you plan to start teaching right from wrong? I would think you teach it as situations arise. Again a simple 2 to 3 pops on the butt is not beating. If you really don't like it then take away toys, use time out, whatever, but when my kid does something wrong they are going to get corrected right then and there not when I feel like they are "developmentally ready". If they are ready to do something wrong they are ready to find out its wrong.

You're a moron.

That's all.

SnoopyLuv · July 2012

ks3pink:

I never said I'd hit a baby, or anyone for that matter because yall can't understand the difference in spanking and hitting. I don't think I even spanked DD until she was at least 2. And she doesn't hit others, because I don't hit her.

We have determined 1) Spanking IS hitting. 2) YOU said you spank, but then above you say you don't?

Smacking a hand=hitting=spanking=whatever the hell else you want to call it. So i you smacked her hand while she was a baby, YOU HIT HER.

kcl22 · July 2012

ks3pink:
The more I read, the more amused I am. Wow. I don't even know what else to say. Wait until your kids are school age and teach them right from wrong. Let me know how that works out for you.

You are thick. You've never met anyone, ever that raised respectful, responsible kids without spanking them? Everyone here who says they won't spank is in for it? My parents never laid a hand on me (or any of my three siblings) and I've never been in trouble in my life.

bluecrab1020 · July 2012

This thread has made me so ill I couldn't get past the third page. I find it disgusting and horrifying that you treat your child with the same level of disrespect you are so passionate to eradicate. To spank a child is to instill fear. You are teaching your daughter to fear the one person she should trust most in the world. My heart breaks for her and for your twins.

You can't spank anyone and then expect them to learn an alternative/positive behavior. You are only teaching her to stop something out of fear. The job of a parent is to encourage and support positive experiences. To discount developmentally appropriate behavior and call is "BS" is incomprehensible to me, especially when purported by a teacher. Would you ever expect your 18-month-old to sit in a classroom alongside your HS students?

I would strongly encourage you to look at the research on the psychological impact of spanking and corporal punishment. There is a wonderful book by Philip Greven called Spare the Child. As a special education parent educator, I often recommend it to parents who feel there is no other way to discipline or teach their children. You can even access it through Google. https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZYf8QfXPNWkC&oi=fnd&pg=PT5&dq=psychological+impact+of+spanking&ots=dW9tm6CUA3&sig=1OkhYsjqqEu6wqBh9KiVDEp5-U8#v=onepage&q=psychological%20impact%20of%20spanking&f=false

CinemaGoddess · July 2012

k3pink (or whatever her SN is) is now on the Post-It.

grr_aargh · July 2012

Scout2005:
ks3pink:
nic326:
Ks3pink...thoughts on what you would do if another person/child spanked your kid? It would be ok right? Cause spanking isnt hitting
A complete stranger no. A relative or close friend yes.
My head just exploded.

Because if a stranger did it. . . that would be hitting?

CinemaGoddess · July 2012

grr_aargh:
Scout2005:
ks3pink:

nic326:
Ks3pink...thoughts on what you would do if another person/child spanked your kid? It would be ok right? Cause spanking isnt hitting

A complete stranger no. A relative or close friend yes.

My head just exploded.

Because if a stranger did it. . . that would be hitting?

What if the stranger is Puerto Rican?

mrs.kapow · July 2012

I'm just glad you teach math because you don't know what a metaphor is.

MissFeather · July 2012

Ks3 reminds me of my ex-friend who hit her 9 month old on the hand for playing with the oversized buttons on her sweater after she told her not to.

Sadly, people like this exist in the North as well.

nic326 · July 2012

CinemaGoddess:
grr_aargh:
Scout2005:
ks3pink:

nic326:
Ks3pink...thoughts on what you would do if another person/child spanked your kid? It would be ok right? Cause spanking isnt hitting

A complete stranger no. A relative or close friend yes.

My head just exploded.

Because if a stranger did it. . . that would be hitting?

What if the stranger is Puerto Rican?

Or Haitian, or a BLACK Haitian perhaps?

damabo80 · July 2012

ks3pink:
I don't personally get disrespected a lot. Heck I'm the teacher whose room is silent because they know better (unless they need to be talking of course). I just see enough to know that no discipline was or is being used. Again whether it be spanking, grounding, time out, etc.

I thought everyone in your area beat their kids' asses into compliance?

I live in the south. Georgia, to be specific.

Maybe you're just associating with a low socio-economic crowd? I've found that the majority of people who hit/pop/spank their children I've seen around these parts have minimal education, live below or Close to the poverty line, and are not exactly oozing class.

Do you teach/have knowledge of statistics? If so, I'm surprised to learn that you opt to turn your children's butts red after the vast majority of accredited studies out there show that this method of punishment is non effective at best, and destructive at worse. There's a reason why 30+ first world countries have outlawed spanking.

nic326 · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

WE arent implying anything. Fact is, she hits her kid. Nuff said

CinemaGoddess · July 2012

lol @ chipmunk.

grr_aargh · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

Wah.

If you said that to me in person, I'd smack you for side-eyeing me.

What? Does that seem wrong or unusually violent? Huh.

ETA: To be clear, since some people seem incapable of critical thinking skills: I wouldn't hit you for giving me a funny look or saying that to me. Because hitting is wrong.

grr_aargh · July 2012

chipmunk112511:

She said she spanked her daughter when she was younger & implied in a certain situation she would spank her child...you are implying she hits her kid, the correlation just isn't there.

spank

¹ [spangk] Show IPA

verb (used with object)

1.

to strike (a person, usually a child) with the open hand, aslipper, etc., especially on the buttocks, as in punishment.

hit

[hit] Show IPA verb, hit, hit?ting, noun

verb (used with object)

1.

to deal a blow or stroke to: Hit the nail with the hammer.

Source: Dictionary.com

strike

[strahyk] Show IPA verb, struck or ( Obsolete )strook; struck or, especially for 31?34, strick?en or ( Obsolete )strook; strik?ing; noun, adjective

verb (used with object)

1.

to deal a blow or stroke to (a person or thing), as with thefist, a weapon, or a hammer; hit.

2.

to inflict, deliver, or deal (a blow, stroke, attack, etc.).

grr_aargh · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
grr_aargh:
chipmunk112511:

Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

Wah.

If you said that to me in person, I'd smack you for side-eyeing me.

What? Does that seem wrong or unusually violent? Huh.

Wow.....again crazy people on this board!

I refuse to engage in a war of wits with the unarmed.

Sweetie, it WOULD be wrong and unusually violent to strike a person for side-eyeing or disagreeing, wouldn't it? And it would be further wrong if you were twice that person's size. AND IT WOULD BE EVEN FURTHER WRONG IF YOU WERE FOUR TIMES THEIR SIZE AND AT LEAST TWICE THEIR INTELLECT, WOULDN'T IT?

judahsmommy1 · July 2012

ks3pink:
I hate leashes because they look inhumane and I feel like there is more of a chance of the kid getting hurt if the parent gets angry (and most of the parents I've seen using leashes are the irresponsible and full of attitude kind). I also think a lot of parents use strollers for convience, somewhere to but bags and drinks, etc. Also what kid wouldn't prefer being pushed around to being restrained by a leash like a dog? Seems like common sense to me.

Ummmm.. WTF?! How the heck does it look "inhumane" and generally speaking if someone is abusive, there's more of a chance of their child getting hurt when they're angry. If they're NOT abusive then the child isn't going to be hurt regardless of the parent's emotional state. How do I know that? Oh right! It's in the definitions of "abusive". My son does not make a connection between his harness (that we've used twice) and the leash that he sees dogs on.

Flamingemu · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
grr_aargh:
chipmunk112511:

Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

Wah.

If you said that to me in person, I'd smack you for side-eyeing me.

What? Does that seem wrong or unusually violent? Huh.

Wow.....again crazy people on this board!

Do you feel better now Chipmunk? You waited until the thread was nearly dead to come in and rescue the original poster and scold all the responders. Seriously?

And really, spanking = hitting. They are the same damn thing!

OUKatie · July 2012

ks3pink:
nic326:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
elmoali:
LoisLane23:

It's a harness, not a leash.

It's absolutely no different than a stroller.

ETA: It's cute that a bunch of FTM's to be are judging harnesses. After having a toddler that bolts the minute her feet touch the ground, I'm a fan of harnesses. Try teaching your 18 month old to hold your hand in a parking lot while she tries to play chicken with the pickup behind you.

No kidding. And I think it's naive, pompous and honestly, dangerous, to think your parenting skills are SO amazing that you can keep a small human safe with a look and your "serious voice." Toddlers love nothing more than to make you doubt your abilities and to give you a virtual "f'uck you."

See siggy pic for Tessa's reaction to me reasoning with her about why it's important to stay away from moving cars.

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

I think the fact that you spank your 18 month old for not understanding your commands is pretty f'ucking ugly.

I absolutely would never trust you anywhere near my child and frankly, I'm pretty disgusted that you are a teacher. There are hundreds of ways to discipline a child that don't involve abuse. I think I'll try those first.

Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.

I gather you are a teacher who is disrespected quite a bit, otherwise you wouldnt feel so strongly about this spanking/misbehaving/school connection. If I were you I would look more into why kids disrespect you and not whether they were spanked or not. The teachers I remember getting disrespected were complete pushovers who didnt set boundaries or couldnt stand up for themselves. Had nothing to do with a kid getting spanked

I don't personally get disrespected a lot. Heck I'm the teacher whose room is silent because they know better (unless they need to be talking of course). I just see enough to know that no discipline was or is being used. Again whether it be spanking, grounding, time out, etc.

Interesting. I'm a teacher and my classroom is NOT silent because I don't believe in rote memorization but rather the exploration of concepts so as to develop a deeper and more meaningful understanding of the concept at hand. I do not have discipline issues, even with students that have discipline issues with their own parents. You can back pedal all you want from "I know who isn't being spanked because those kids are terrible" to "I know who isn't being disciplined" but the simple matter is, you are a moron. I have had plenty of lovely students (and I worked in a rough environment) whose parents did not spank as a matter of course.

I would be appalled if my child had you as a teacher.

mommyfied · July 2012

ks3pink:
LoisLane23:
ks3pink:
Spanking is not abuse, and it works. The kid thinks twice before repeating the action. As I said, have fun with the teenage years and god bless the high school teacher that gets disrespected daily by your kid.
I'm prepared to light this b!tch up with gifs shortly.
I'm going to teach my child responsible behavior. Ya know, the whole "no hitting/fighting" thing.
There's just something about beating my child to reinforce that hitting is bad that seems... I don't know... off.
When do you plan to start teaching right from wrong? I would think you teach it as situations arise. Again a simple 2 to 3 pops on the butt is not beating. If you really don't like it then take away toys, use time out, whatever, but when my kid does something wrong they are going to get corrected right then and there not when I feel like they are "developmentally ready". If they are ready to do something wrong they are ready to find out its wrong.

Holy duck! You have got to have a stick burried deep up your ass to think THIS is logic! What do you define as "wrong"? Showing emotion is nowhere near wrong - at least not on a 18 months old! I would much rather have a child that test me out during their teenage years than spank my own son! I am so confident about my authority and I believe that if you are consistent and harsh when you know they are doing things ON PURPOSE (like if they throw toys on the floor repeatly or smacking on things or people) you can reason with your child. Then you can TALK to them (even though they dont understand the words, they understand your harsh tone - not yelling).

Just imageine my sons face if I were the one causing him pain! ME, who are his caretaker and safety! It really makes tears run down my face, and to think that you makes your kid this full trauma... ohh.. it makes me SO SO SO SO! angry! I hope somebody takes a hit at you if you do something they dont like - without explenation - without comfort - and I truly hope it comes from someone you care about, trust (and hopefully someone you are completly depending on). Just so you experience the same feelings!

Nikko Blue · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
Do I need to create a new post, would that make you feel better?

Too late for that... https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/67232551.aspx

grr_aargh · July 2012

LoisLane23:
chipmunk112511:
Uh yes it would when those 2 people are adults and you are striking me for having an opinion. NEVER would I hit my child for having an opinion related to something. A spanking would be involved in order to teach them a BEHAVIOR is wrong.

Let's review. I'll go slow so you can keep up.

She said that if her child gave a look like my DD is giving in my signature, her little butt would be red and she would learn that the behavior is wrong. My child is having an opinion, she has obviously displayed it on her face.

My DD's opinion is that the behavior is ok, my opinion is that it isn't ok.

But see it's OK when one of those two people is a child.

UNLESS the grown up person is a stranger to that child because THAT IS WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE.

I'm having a delightful time following this logic.

grr_aargh · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
LoisLane23:
chipmunk112511:
Uh yes it would when those 2 people are adults and you are striking me for having an opinion. NEVER would I hit my child for having an opinion related to something. A spanking would be involved in order to teach them a BEHAVIOR is wrong.

Let's review. I'll go slow so you can keep up.

She said that if her child gave a look like my DD is giving in my signature, her little butt would be red and she would learn that the behavior is wrong. My child is having an opinion, she has obviously displayed it on her face.

My DD's opinion is that the behavior is ok, my opinion is that it isn't ok.

Ok let me go slower so you all can understand....she was not implying she LITERALLY will turn their butt red, it was a metaphor/expression used and that I understood completely reading that initial post, apparently it was above everyone else's head. I also stated I didnt agree 100% with her opinions on when to spank, that being one of them as a "look" for me does not constitute a spanking when a child is that young and AGAIN I said I wouldnt spank a child that young...so lets get this straight, read my posts before you jump in on me, k thanks!

So saying "Her butt would be red" is NOT saying "her butt would be red." Like spanking is not hitting.

Check.

Flamingemu · July 2012

chipmunk112511:

And to the other poster commenting about me coming in just now, well thats b/c again I dont frequent this board and found this post on a BMB where they were talking about it. After reading through the posts I felt the need to comment, its what these boards are for correct? Am I rescuing her no, I dont agree with her on a few of her points, but to crucify someone for how they raise their child and imply she is abusing them is just ridiculous & something needed said from someone with a different viewpoint other than your own. Do I need to create a new post, would that make you feel better?

This is directed at me - but I think the rest of the ladies since I last posted have taken care of explaining why no one agrees with her actions. Different viewpoints are fine, I don't have a problem with how people parent their own children. Her trying to say that strollers & leashes are abuse, but hitting her child is not is just ridiculous.

grr_aargh · July 2012

Scout2005:
"Turn their butts red" is not a metaphor.
Can we all at least get on the same page on this matter, please?

I teach figurative language on Day 2 in my comp class. I mean really, was everybody hung over on all the days figurative language was taught?

TURN THEIR BUTTS RED might be HYPERBOLE. It's not a metaphor.

MJHershey · July 2012

"Why would you push your children away from you??!!"

grr_aargh · July 2012

LoisLane23:
grr_aargh:
Scout2005:

"Turn their butts red" is not a metaphor.

Can we all at least get on the same page on this matter, please?

I teach figurative language on Day 2 in my comp class. I mean really, was everybody hung over on all the days figurative language was taught?

TURN THEIR BUTTS RED might be HYPERBOLE. It's not a metaphor.

"Her home is a prison" is a metaphor, because her home is not literally in a prison.

"Her butt would be red" is not a metaphor because her butt would literally be red from being spanked.

You pass night 2 of Comp. I give you an A+.

As I said, I might extend the idea that the poster was using hyperbole - but then her sentence would lack logic as "her butt would be too red to walk" would just be a stupid statement - her butt would be too red to walk is an overstatement, thus the kid could still run into traffic.

And let's be honest, she probably would because it'd be a better life than hanging with her mother who left shiny things out then hit her for trying to explore them.

grr_aargh · July 2012

LoisLane23:
grr_aargh:
You pass night 2 of Comp. I give you an A+.
As I said, I might extend the idea that the poster was using hyperbole - but then her sentence would lack logic as "her butt would be too red to walk" would just be a stupid statement - her butt would be too red to walk is an overstatement, thus the kid could still run into traffic.

And let's be honest, she probably would because it'd be a better life than hanging with her mother who left shiny things out then hit her for trying to explore them.

Winner!

Plus, her butt could be too sore to walk, but the color of it wouldn't impair her ability to walk.

Careful. All of this logic is vexing.

Perhaps we're discussing a colloquialism. Ah! And this would be neither metaphor NOR hyperbole, but its own creature.

Flamingemu · July 2012

CTGirl30:
To recap some of the ridiculosity contained in this thread:

Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. [Translation: "My toddler better never have the nerve to look at me with anything but a respectful face."]

a simple 2 to 3 pops on the butt is not beating. If you really don't like it then take away toys, use time out, whatever, but when my kid does something wrong they are going to get corrected right then and there not when I feel like they are "developmentally ready". [read: "They will have no farking clue why I am spanking them but discipline, yo."]

The same reason you pop a 1 year old's hand and tell them no when they try to pick up breakable objects off a coffee table. It gets their attention. [Here it's okay to hit a 1-yr old's hand. Because there is no other way to get their attention / redirect behavior. Mmm kay.]

I don't hit my kid. I spank. [lolwut?]

Babyproofing is blocking wall sockets and locking cabinets. I would never put things away just because I had a kid in the house. [Far easier to just slap their hands away when they try to touch objects. Riiiiiight.]

I love your summation!

LeighPA · July 2012

ks3pink:
Not trying to be ugly but if my kid looked at me like that at any time they wouldn't be able to run because their little butt would be red. Same thing with the toddler playing chicken. You're going to have a lot of fun when your kids are teenaers if you let that behavior slide now. Trust me, I see it in my classroom everyday, I can tell the kids who were disciplined from the ones who were just shielded.

Every single thing you've posted just illustrates how disgusting, repulsive, and abusive you are, you piece of sh!t.

grr_aargh · July 2012

CTGirl30:

a simple 2 to 3 pops on the butt is not beating. If you really don't like it then take away toys, use time out, whatever, but when my kid does something wrong they are going to get corrected right then and there not when I feel like they are "developmentally ready". [read: "They will have no farking clue why I am spanking them but discipline, yo."]

You picked up my favorite part - her disdain for the idea of children being "developmentally ready".

Psychology is stupid, yo. Research that does not agree with my predetermined ideas is WRONG!!

grr_aargh · July 2012

LoisLane23:
grr_aargh:
LoisLane23:
grr_aargh:
You pass night 2 of Comp. I give you an A+.
As I said, I might extend the idea that the poster was using hyperbole - but then her sentence would lack logic as "her butt would be too red to walk" would just be a stupid statement - her butt would be too red to walk is an overstatement, thus the kid could still run into traffic.

And let's be honest, she probably would because it'd be a better life than hanging with her mother who left shiny things out then hit her for trying to explore them.

Winner!

Plus, her butt could be too sore to walk, but the color of it wouldn't impair her ability to walk.

Careful. All of this logic is vexing.

Perhaps we're discussing a colloquialism. Ah! And this would be neither metaphor NOR hyperbole, but its own creature.

Now we're just being fancy.

But still, spanking =/=hitting=/=smacking=/=swatting

Unless you speak English and consult a dictionary.

judahsmommy1 · July 2012

chipmunk112511:
Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

First things first, I understand what you're saying about having been spanked as a child and understanding the difference between hitting and spanking. I had a similar experience as a child and absolutely do not consider myself to have been abused in any way. I think that to imply that I was abused as a child would be to demean others experiences who actually have been abused! Some of those women are in this thread and they were abused in the name of "spanking." You and I have a very different experience and thus a different reaction to someone saying that they "spank" their child. What pink is describing, however, I do consider to be very inappropriate and potentially abusive.

Second, I have one of the most well behaved toddlers I've ever met. He is co-operative and generally obedient. I have people comment on it. That's not to say that he never misbehaves, just that it's somewhat uncommon. If you were to see him misbehave in a store, you wouldn't see me raise my voice. If you were to continue watching, you might see me put him in the cart and you would probably hear me say something along the lines of, "I know you want to walk right now, but you didn't obey. Now you have to sit in the cart. You can try again in a few minutes." If you saw me in the check out, I might have a new outfit or a new toy for him. I don't change what I plan on buying at the store dependent on my son's behavior. If we planned on buying a toy, we do. If we didn't plan on buying one, we don't. By the time we get to the check out, he doesn't remember his misbehavior and he wouldn't connect getting a toy to behavior in any way.

One of the BIG benefits to using the 'sweet" tone of voice almost 100% of the time is that when my loud voice comes out, it really gets his attention. That means that when he starts to do something truly dangerous and i can't get there in time, me YELLING the word "NO" gets his attention and he stops in his tracks. It happened recently when there was a miscommunication on who was watching him and we discovered him reaching for the hot stove. I think I've yelled at him a grand total of 4 times in his life, so it's a shock to him when he hears it.

It's easy to judge other parents based off of what we see in a 3 minute snippit of their life. But I've found that talking calmly to my son in a tone of respect is a lot more effective than an angry or stressed tone. When you have a toddler, it might be worth a try.

Manx4 · July 2012

I thought the teacher would enjoy my research. Do I need to cite my sources?

hit (ht)

v. hit, hit?ting, hits

v.tr.

1.

a. To come into contact with forcefully; strike: The car hit the guardrail.

b. To reach with or as if with a blow: The bullet hit the police officer in the shoulder.

2.

a. To cause to come into contact: She hit her hand against the wall.

b. To deal a blow to.

c. To strike with a missile: fired and hit the target.

spank?ing (sp

ng

k

ng)

adj.

1. Informal Exceptional of its kind; remarkable.

2. Swift and vigorous: a spanking pace.

3. Brisk and fresh: a spanking breeze.

adv.

Used as an intensive: a spanking clean shirt.

n.

A number of slaps on the buttocks delivered in rapid succession, as for punishment.

kris2131 · July 2012

ks3pink:
nic326:

ks3pink:
I hate leashes because they look inhumane and I feel like there is more of a chance of the kid getting hurt if the parent gets angry (and most of the parents I've seen using leashes are the irresponsible and full of attitude kind). I also think a lot of parents use strollers for convience, somewhere to but bags and drinks, etc. Also what kid wouldn't prefer being pushed around to being restrained by a leash like a dog? Seems like common sense to me.

Lol, clearly you have not had a toddler who refuses to sit in a stroller and would rather walk around, to the point where they are climbing out of it. DS1 is an active toddler and I am not about to force him to sit in a stroller for along period of time when its perfectly okay to use a harness and allow him to walk. These are especially helpful at places like the mall, Disneyland and other spots where there is a lot of walking in crowds. They are not "inhumane"as you put it.

Never say never. Chances are you will end up using one too

If I were to have a child that I couldn't reason with to stay in their stroller, and I know that some kids are like that, then I would have to figure out another plan because I really dislike harnesses.

So, another plan...what, like hit them because they wouldn't stay in the stroller like you wanted them to?

I just can't get past the fact that you would hit an 18 month old.

ASmallWonder · July 2012

chipmunk112511:

Wow....this whole post is amazing. The language some of you "wonderful" mothers of the year use against someone else is just sad. I really hope thats not the type of mouth you kiss your child with.

Now with that being said, I think you all need to get off your high horses and stop implying that she is beating her child. I understood right away she didnt mean she literally beat them until they were red (maybe its an NC thing) but its a metaphor just implying that they would know not to do it again. I was spanked as a child (not for every little thing I did wrong) but for major things & I understood completely the difference between a spanking and hitting and knew 100% better than to hit another child.

Just to rectify...Hitting = abuse, Spanking = punishment. Will I spank my own child? Who knows, as a FTM I dont know how they are going to act/react in certain situations. I will say it will not be a form of punishment until at least 2 years old, if I ever do use it & will be a light tap. If it doesn't work then we will move on to something else. You cannot judge one child from another though, one may be very reactive to a light spanking while another may not and a different form of punishment may need to be used.

Stop acting like you are all high and mighty b/c you dont spank when half of you are probably the ones I see at Target with your children running around like crazy people and all I hear you say is "oh honey no dont do that" or "come back here" in your nice little tone, oh yeaa thats going to get their attention (which it never does), then I see you at the register buying them a new toy or outfit...really? and you wonder why they are like that.

Please feel free to flame me, to be honest most of you on this board are crazy anyways, and I normally dont respond but the pure hatred you have put towards this one person was enough for me to step in, not once did she say she beats her child black and blue or beats/hits them at all. Just because she chooses to spank her child has no infuence on you or how you chose to punish/raise your child.

I had to leave for a bit and came back to this gem! Just to be clear, if your husband chooses to hit you, just once, mind you so he doesn't leave a mark, that's a-ok because, well, one "pop" isn't hitting, right?

Getting his by your husband because you were a smart ass to him is abuse. Hitting your kid because s/he was a smart ass to you = superior parenting. Need to make sure I keep those straight!

mben1119 · July 2012

Holy_fucking_hell there are some white trash beeyatches up in here. It must be a NC thing? Slapping 1 year old babies? Hitting is okay as long as it doesn't leave a mark? WTF??

KNemo · July 2012

cruelsound:
I would offer up my oldest to some of you anti-harness ladies for a day so you can understand exactly why some kids DO need them, but I don't want your stupid germs getting on him.

I'll take him!! I'll take him!! Oh wait, I'm not anti-harness or anti-stroller.

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