Trying to Get Pregnant

5 months..and still no baby

My husband and I are currently ttc. We currently have a 5 yr old son together (so I know it's possible for us to get pregnant). I stopped taking my birth control in october 2011 and we started trying right away in November. We just completed our 5th month and just when I thought I was finally pregnant, I got my period:( Not sure if it is normal with ttc but my cycles were 28 days long after going off the bc (pill) but then eventually switched to 29 days and then this month I was at day 30 and still no period...well on day 32 I got my period but it came on in a different way. Usually I start out heavy and then it tapers off, but this time it started very light, almost like implantation bleeding and then on the second day was heavy with worse than normal cramps. I was thinking maybe I was pregant but something was wrong and my body naturally did it thing because it wasnt viable. I had taken 3 preg tests and they were all neg. one each day @ day 28, 29, and 31. Im open to suggestions or thoughts or just encouragement!
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Re: 5 months..and still no baby

  • I'm sorry you are frustrated, many women on this board can relate.  I recommend you read the newbie link on the home page it should be very helpful.  Many women on this board chart and use OPKs and the newbie link will offer you some more helpful info.  Good luck!
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    See "New to TTGP" link at top of page.

    Yeah, this. 

    Sorry, but 5 months is not a long time. I know it might seem like a long time, but it's really not. I wish I had cycles like yours. 

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  • My thought is that you came to the wrong place to complain about trying for 5 months...
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  • Sounds to me like your body is still regulating after coming off the pill. See Newb link for suggestions on charting and getting to know your body. Sorry for the BFN and the period... I'm on 14 months and still no baby, and many girls have been trying a lot longer and are not already blessed with a child. Hang in there, it's a tough road sometimes. 
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  • I know that 5 months can seem like forever, but some of the women here have been waiting a lot longer.  Sorry you're so frustrated, but you may not get much sympathy here.

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    5 months may seem like a long time, but it can take a healthy couple up to a year to conceive.

    I personally find it annoying when people who haven't tried very long start complaining.

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  • The variation in your cycles that you mention is quite common. It is unlikely that you will always have exactly 28 day cycles--unless you are on BC. It is normal for them to vary by a few days.

    Like PP said, read the newbie link and consider charting. That will give you a lot of insight into your body--for example seeing the reasons for your varied cycle length (did you ovulate a different day; is your LP changing, etc.).

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    See "New to TTGP" link at top of page.

    Definitely read the newbie link. And FWIW I have had all kinds of 'new' symptoms since going off the pill 4 months ago.  A lot of them are probably not new but just that I have noticed them for the first time b/c I am paying A LOT more attention to what's happening with my body now that we are TTC.  My cycle length has also varied by a few days and that is normal. 

    Welcome and GL!


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  • Your cycles are pretty regular.  Mine range from 22-33 days and I consider them regular.  Read the newbie link and go to fertilityfriend like the others said.
  • 5 months is nothing. The end.
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  • I went of birth control in June/July 2011 and thought my cycles were all set and regular too, ranging from 28-30 days monthly.  Last cycle was 33 days.  Be prepared to have more unexpected cycles!
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    5 months is nothing. The end.

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    At least she didn't post this on 3T... 

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    5 months is nothing. The end.

    <3 hearted.

    At least she didn't post this on 3T... 

    Lol true true

    I puffy heart you Chancie! 

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    5 months is nothing. The end.

    <3 hearted.

    At least she didn't post this on 3T... 

    Lol true true

    I puffy heart you Chancie! 

    Is it a PPH? Those are my fave! 

    Extra puffy with a little but of whipped cream on top ;) 

    I want in!

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    5 months is nothing. The end.

    <3 hearted.

    At least she didn't post this on 3T... 

    Lol true true

    I puffy heart you Chancie! 

    Is it a PPH? Those are my fave! 

    Extra puffy with a little but of whipped cream on top ;) 

    I want in!

    PIP Fail. 

    Puffy hearts and flowers for cram! No, no, more like kinky f... You know ;) 

    Yes. I DO know.

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  • The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    Have you ever read what the 3T board is for??? Cause it sure sounds like you haven't. I've been trying for 9 months & still no baby, but you don't see me making a post & complaining about it. and I am NO WHERE near having Trouble TTC.


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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    You're an obnoxious PW.. STFU

    Wow, just wow.   

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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    You're an obnoxious PW.. STFU

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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    Have you ever read what the 3T board is for??? Cause it sure sounds like you haven't. I've been trying for 9 months & still no baby, but you don't see me making a post & complaining about it. and I am NO WHERE near having Trouble TTC.

    Yes, I know what 3t is for.  What I meant was I could see her getting some of these responses if the OP had posted this on 3t... But this is ttgp so I would think people would be a little more patient & understanding with newcomers. 

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  • Sorry you're not getting the encouragement your looking for from some of the women here. (on the other hand, it was nice to see some women showing you encouragement) I've been lurking on the site for some time, and here's what I've seen:

    Many of the women are kind and understanding and want to be helpful/supportive, but there are a few from the 3T board that think they own this board and no one should be allowed to be upset if they aren't technically having trouble.These few people feel the need to (not ignore and move on, not kindly tell you it's still really early but rather) do all they can to make anyone feel bad for being anxious before at least a year of trying. Don't feel bad about it. I guarantee they were anxious to some extent at 5 months too, even if they didn't admit it and can't remember it now. Someone pointed this out earlier today and their post got deleted.

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I don't have a child yet, and the 6 months I've been waiting has me worried that maybe we won't be able to have kids. I'm sure that's not the case, but it doesn't stop the thought from popping into my mind every so often. Luckily that's not a big worry for you, but I'm sure it's still upsetting. As lots of people have said, you'll get there.  

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    Sorry you're not getting the encouragement your looking for from some of the women here. (on the other hand, it was nice to see some women showing you encouragement) I've been lurking on the site for some time, and here's what I've seen:

    Many of the women are kind and understanding and want to be helpful/supportive, but there are a few from the 3T board that think they own this board and no one should be allowed to be upset if they aren't technically having trouble.These few people feel the need to (not ignore and move on, not kindly tell you it's still really early but rather) do all they can to make anyone feel bad for being anxious before at least a year of trying. Don't feel bad about it. I guarantee they were anxious to some extent at 5 months too, even if they didn't admit it and can't remember it now. Someone pointed this out earlier today and their post got deleted.

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I don't have a child yet, and the 6 months I've been waiting has me worried that maybe we won't be able to have kids. I'm sure that's not the case, but it doesn't stop the thought from popping into my mind every so often. Luckily that's not a big worry for you, but I'm sure it's still upsetting. As lots of people have said, you'll get there.  

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  • imagePier1girl:
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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    Have you ever read what the 3T board is for??? Cause it sure sounds like you haven't. I've been trying for 9 months & still no baby, but you don't see me making a post & complaining about it. and I am NO WHERE near having Trouble TTC.

    Yes, I know what 3t is for.  What I meant was I could see her getting some of these responses if the OP had posted this on 3t... But this is ttgp so I would think people would be a little more patient & understanding with newcomers. 

    Please tell me what you think TTTC is, exactly. 


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  • Where did this rule come from that someone HAS TO lurk before posting? I get why it might not be a bad idea, but really? If she decided to look for other women in her situation to talk to, she has to watch them talk for (how long?) before she can voice her concerns? There are plenty of women on here who are newcomers or just lurkers and feel the same way as her. If you don't want to be supportive, informative, or useful to these women, why not just ignore those posts? there are plenty of others that you do approve of to get involved with. Maybe there should be a board specifically for people just starting TTC. Not "new to the bump" because a person doesn't even have to be TTC to be new to the bump, but rather Newly TTGP or TTGP less than 6months or less than a year. That way you would expect these types of concerns as well as the questions that many of you already know the answer to because you've been trying for a while.
  • There were a number of people that didn't pat her on the back, but weren't rude to her either. I don't see anything wrong with letting her know that 5 months isn't that long. Up to at least a year is in the normal range, and there are certain places on this site that would be helpful to a newcomer. There were just a few people that I was actually referring to that tend to respond negatively to anyone who hasn't been trying all that long or is feeling something they don't approve of. I'm just saying, her feelings are legitimately her feelings whether or not people like them. As parents, don't you want your children to be kind to others and help them rather than discourage them. (I'm not saying anyone's children wouldn't do that, just that if they would teach their own children kindness they could stand to take their own advice). Why scare off new people who just want a  little encouragement?
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    Sorry you're not getting the encouragement your looking for from some of the women here. (on the other hand, it was nice to see some women showing you encouragement) I've been lurking on the site for some time, and here's what I've seen:

    Many of the women are kind and understanding and want to be helpful/supportive, but there are a few from the 3T board that think they own this board and no one should be allowed to be upset if they aren't technically having trouble.These few people feel the need to (not ignore and move on, not kindly tell you it's still really early but rather) do all they can to make anyone feel bad for being anxious before at least a year of trying. Don't feel bad about it. I guarantee they were anxious to some extent at 5 months too, even if they didn't admit it and can't remember it now. Someone pointed this out earlier today and their post got deleted.

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I don't have a child yet, and the 6 months I've been waiting has me worried that maybe we won't be able to have kids. I'm sure that's not the case, but it doesn't stop the thought from popping into my mind every so often. Luckily that's not a big worry for you, but I'm sure it's still upsetting. As lots of people have said, you'll get there.  

    You're an idiot btw. All of 2-3 people that didn't pat her on the back are having trouble trying to conceive.

     

    What is up with the idiots running rampant on this board?!

    (reposted because I guess I hit reply instead of quote last time)

    There were a number of people that didn't pat her on the back, but weren't rude to her either. I don't see anything wrong with letting her know that 5 months isn't that long. Up to at least a year is in the normal range, and there are certain places on this site that would be helpful to a newcomer. There were just a few people that I was actually referring to that tend to respond negatively to anyone who hasn't been trying all that long or is feeling something they don't approve of. I'm just saying, her feelings are legitimately her feelings whether or not people like them. As parents, don't you want your children to be kind to others and help them rather than discourage them. (I'm not saying anyone's children wouldn't do that, just that if they would teach their own children kindness they could stand to take their own advice). Why scare off new people who just want a  little encouragement?

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    imagejacki5:

    Sorry you're not getting the encouragement your looking for from some of the women here. (on the other hand, it was nice to see some women showing you encouragement) I've been lurking on the site for some time, and here's what I've seen:

    Many of the women are kind and understanding and want to be helpful/supportive, but there are a few from the 3T board that think they own this board and no one should be allowed to be upset if they aren't technically having trouble.These few people feel the need to (not ignore and move on, not kindly tell you it's still really early but rather) do all they can to make anyone feel bad for being anxious before at least a year of trying. Don't feel bad about it. I guarantee they were anxious to some extent at 5 months too, even if they didn't admit it and can't remember it now. Someone pointed this out earlier today and their post got deleted.

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I don't have a child yet, and the 6 months I've been waiting has me worried that maybe we won't be able to have kids. I'm sure that's not the case, but it doesn't stop the thought from popping into my mind every so often. Luckily that's not a big worry for you, but I'm sure it's still upsetting. As lots of people have said, you'll get there.  

    You're an idiot btw. All of 2-3 people that didn't pat her on the back are having trouble trying to conceive.

     

    What is up with the idiots running rampant on this board?!

    (reposted because I guess I hit reply instead of quote last time)

    There were a number of people that didn't pat her on the back, but weren't rude to her either. I don't see anything wrong with letting her know that 5 months isn't that long. Up to at least a year is in the normal range, and there are certain places on this site that would be helpful to a newcomer. There were just a few people that I was actually referring to that tend to respond negatively to anyone who hasn't been trying all that long or is feeling something they don't approve of. I'm just saying, her feelings are legitimately her feelings whether or not people like them. As parents, don't you want your children to be kind to others and help them rather than discourage them. (I'm not saying anyone's children wouldn't do that, just that if they would teach their own children kindness they could stand to take their own advice). Why scare off new people who just want a  little encouragement?

    It isn't my job or mission in life to encourage people that aren't considerate enough to lurk for a few hours. Actually, I don't think any of us signed up for TB to support those that don't support us.

     But who's to say she wouldn't support you? She probably won't if she doesn't get support when she asks for it, but maybe she would have been very helpful to others down the line. I'm just saying, there's no way to know, so why not give her the benefit of the doubt? Plus, if she's not posted on message boards elsewhere and didn't think the lurk first here, maybe she didn't know that lurking was expected. I didn't realize people expected it so much. I simply didn't have much to say so I lurked first and then discovered this apparent rule. So how would she know to do that?

  • Something lurking would've helped with - if you haven't been TTC (actively) for a year you aren't going to get a lot of love - you only have a 20% chance in a healthy body to get pregnant each month so it will likely take a couple "perfect" shots to actually get KU. 

    About coming off BC - I've been off for over a year and my cycles still range anywhere from about 24 to 32 days. It happens, our bodies aren't clocks. 

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    The OP is looking for encouragement and just because many have been trying longer doesn't mean she deserves some of the responses on here.  This is "trying to get pregnant" not 3t... 

    OP, I think I get what you're saying.  We haven't been trying long either but I get impatient and want it to happen fast (as does everyone).  My advice is to read the newbie link up top, maybe lurk for awhile, and you'll probably see some helpful info.

    Welcome and good luck!  FX for you! 

    You're an obnoxious PW.. STFU

    Wow, just wow.   

    I'm just saying what myself and some others are thinking. You should probably lurk some more before posting here. You're typically VERY late to a convo and bump it up after it's been dead for hours, or you post about things that aren't really applicable to this board. Like the bolded above. No one here has this skewed perception of reality that everyone has to TTC for a year before being upset about not getting KU, but we're generally not little brats about it either. TTC (like parenting will be) requires PATIENCE for most people. 5 months is nothing compared to plenty of us on this board. Maybe it isn't the AVERAGE or NORM for every day life... but on this board, the regs/majority of us have been here for a while. It's called knowing your audience.

    I've been on and off the Knot/Nest/Bump for almost 8 years... I think I've lurked plenty.  And as a PP said, where is this rule that someone has to lurk for a certain amount of time before posting?

    If I'm late to a convo it's because I can't be on here while at the office and don't have time to catch up until after DD goes to bed.  It's not like there's a time limit on posts.  

    My point with the 1 sentence you bolded was explained earlier- what I was saying is I could maybe more understand some of the responses if the OP had posted this on a board focused on trouble trying to conceive (when clearly she isn't to that point yet) but she posted this on TTGP looking for support which is the appropriate board for this type of thing IMO.

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    But who's to say she wouldn't support you? She probably won't if she doesn't get support when she asks for it, but maybe she would have been very helpful to others down the line. I'm just saying, there's no way to know, so why not give her the benefit of the doubt? Plus, if she's not posted on message boards elsewhere and didn't think the lurk first here, maybe she didn't know that lurking was expected. I didn't realize people expected it so much. I simply didn't have much to say so I lurked first and then discovered this apparent rule. So how would she know to do that?

    I certainly don't expect most people to lurk first (even though it's good practice).. BUT I know from much experience that people come on here and just ask, ask, ask, without giving any support. Most just come on here and vent and never come back. I am more than happy to support a regular poster here (and I don't mean just posters that have been here months.. I mean those that give support just as much or more than they recieve/ask for support). But I am not obligated to give anyone support and I don't give anyone "the benefit of the doubt" because more often than not, that whiney poster won't return that support EVER. They only come to TB to use us as a personal blog or yahoo answers. Yes, people may come here and ask for support first and then offer loads of support, but that isn't the norm and I'm not going to waste my time blowing smoke/glitter/rainbows up every new poster's asss that doesn't offer someone else some support.

    I'm not saying blow smoke up her ass or even show any form of support. I'm just questioning why people that think it's a dumb question or not worthy of their encouragement don't just ignore it. Why make the person feel bad? Why do some (by all means not everyone) people who've been TTC for a longer time or who would officially put themselves in the TTTC category feel the need to complain when people who've been trying for a shorter period of time have questions/concerns.

  • Serious question. I'm thinking the answer is no since I haven't seen it in my lurking, but is there a board where people can talk about things like the OP early on in their TTC journey and receive the encouragement their looking for or at least not receive so much negativity? I'm not trying to upset people with this question, just really asking. I think there'd be a number of newcomers who would support each other if they didn't get scared off of what by name appears to be the only board for people TTC but not far along in the journey or having TTTC. I understand why people who've been trying longer don't like to see others complain or get anxious so early, but as people often point out, there are a lot of women who DO complain and get anxious early on and it would be nice to know that there are others in the same place as them.
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    5 months is nothing. The end.

    <3 hearted.

    At least she didn't post this on 3T... 

    Lol true true

    I puffy heart you Chancie! 

    Is it a PPH? Those are my fave! 

    Extra puffy with a little but of whipped cream on top ;) 

    I want in!

    PIP Fail. 

    Puffy hearts and flowers for cram! No, no, more like kinky f... You know ;) 

    Yes. I DO know.

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  • imagejessuhmarie:

    imagePier1girl:
    My point with the 1 sentence you bolded was explained earlier- what I was saying is I could maybe more understand some of the responses if the OP had posted this on a board focused on trouble trying to conceive (when clearly she isn't to that point yet) but she posted this on TTGP looking for support which is the appropriate board for this type of thing IMO.

    Like I said, I didn't sign up for TB and I don't participate on TTGP to support anyone that doesn't give others support. Maybe TTGP is appropriate for the time range/lack of infertility problems that OP is experiencing.. but she isn't automatically granted support bc she signed up for a sn on TB, period. I have no sympathy for her. Is that harsh? Perhaps.. but I can't care about someone that hasn't been a member of this board at all. I can't make myself care/pity anyone without knowing them in this situation.

    If that's how you feel and view the boards, then that's cool.  You don't have to support anyone, but why respond at all then?  I don't think the OP was complaining as much as expressing a little frustration, which I think many on here can understand.

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  • imagePier1girl:
    imagejessuhmarie:

    imagePier1girl:
    My point with the 1 sentence you bolded was explained earlier- what I was saying is I could maybe more understand some of the responses if the OP had posted this on a board focused on trouble trying to conceive (when clearly she isn't to that point yet) but she posted this on TTGP looking for support which is the appropriate board for this type of thing IMO.

    Like I said, I didn't sign up for TB and I don't participate on TTGP to support anyone that doesn't give others support. Maybe TTGP is appropriate for the time range/lack of infertility problems that OP is experiencing.. but she isn't automatically granted support bc she signed up for a sn on TB, period. I have no sympathy for her. Is that harsh? Perhaps.. but I can't care about someone that hasn't been a member of this board at all. I can't make myself care/pity anyone without knowing them in this situation.

    If that's how you feel and view the boards, then that's cool.  You don't have to support anyone, but why respond at all then?  I don't think the OP was complaining as much as expressing a little frustration, which I think many on here can understand.

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  • imagejessuhmarie:

    imagejacki5:
    Serious question. I'm thinking the answer is no since I haven't seen it in my lurking, but is there a board where people can talk about things like the OP early on in their TTC journey and receive the encouragement their looking for or at least not receive so much negativity? I'm not trying to upset people with this question, just really asking. I think there'd be a number of newcomers who would support each other if they didn't get scared off of what by name appears to be the only board for people TTC but not far along in the journey or having TTTC. I understand why people who've been trying longer don't like to see others complain or get anxious so early, but as people often point out, there are a lot of women who DO complain and get anxious early on and it would be nice to know that there are others in the same place as them.

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    Thank you, but he second site didn't come up when I copied and pasted and I don't know what it is. I will definitely check them out. But overall I really like the bump and most of the boards.  I don't hate this board I, just not what I'm looking for. I would love to have something on this site that's less snarky. I know some people do enjoy that or at least appreciate it. I suppose I understand, but I still say there should be a separate one (not sure what it would be), not one where people can't say anything negative just where these types of early concerns and questions are deemed appropriate vs. this board where people aren't supposed to express their concerns early on, especially if they haven't had a chance to post much previously.

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