Troy davis was executed

Fiasco77 · September 2011

Another victim of government sanctioned murder.

Erina1004 · September 2011

A victim? Please, lets call him what he really was, a cop killer.

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

Erina1004:
A victim? Please, lets call him what he really was, a cop killer.

Not according to the guy who confessed to the crime, aka the prosecution's star witness against Troy Davis.

KJmashup · September 2011

My thoughts are with his loved ones.

Erina1004 · September 2011

I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

Heather R · September 2011

so much for reasonable doubt. Hey Erin, were you in the audience cheering when Perry bragged about all the executions that happened on his watch?

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

What? If someone confesses to a crime they frequently are a star witness against someone else? That makes no sense.

And Troy Davis was convicted based on eye-witness accounts and 7 of the 9 witnesses have since recanted.

I do not believe for one second that being a "cop killer" is justification for the death penalty. There is NO justification for the death penalty ever.

And my thoughts are also with the family of Troy Davis today.

LadyExtravaganza · September 2011

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

Huh? Do you mean the defense's star witness? Because he was the prosecution's star witness, but he has recanted (and confessed). As have other witness. And he was found guilty based on witness testimony as there was scant other evidence against him. Oh, and let's not forget the multiple jurors who said he never should have been found guilty.

Heather R · September 2011

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

lol, she cheers on the dp and doesn't know who's who in court. Erin, please provide sources on the many people who confess to crimes to help another guy out, which is what you apparently think happened. Except that you don't know who the prosecution is.

SparkleTart · September 2011

This makes me incredibly sad. I don't know enough about the case to say if I feel he is guilty or not guilty, but there should have at least been a stay of execution granted while they worked that sh!t out. I feel for his family and those around him.

brizee8485 · September 2011

sockmonkey109:
This is very sad.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. -Ghandi

This exactly. and I agree with CG. There is no reason ever for the death penalty.

tartaruga · September 2011

Erina1004:
A victim? Please, lets call him what he really was, a cop killer.

Maybe he was. In fact, he probably was. But "probably" should not be enough to impose the very most serious and grave of penalties in our justice system. If we are going to execute someone, we need to be SURE that this person is guilty. And in this case, there were just too many doubts. there is nothing to be gained from executing him rather than having him serve life in prison in this case.

I am in favor of the death penalty. I have zero qualms with this man's execution or these men's execution. zero. There is no doubt as to their guilt. They committed unspeakable crimes against innocents, let them die as painfully as possible, IMO. But I cannot condone the execution of someone who is only "probably" guilty.

daiquirri · September 2011

Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

tartaruga · September 2011

daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

If this were true, then Texas would have the lowest crime rate in the nation. Which it doesn't.

J+MS · September 2011

I'm not against the death penalty totally but it is most certainly flawed and I believe an innocent man was a victim of injustice this week.

KJmashup · September 2011

daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

A bit behind the times, are we? It has pretty much been determined that the death penalty is not a deterrent to murder.

https://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty

Mt2G1012 · September 2011

tartaruga:
Erina1004:
A victim? Please, lets call him what he really was, a cop killer.
Maybe he was. In fact, he probably was. But "probably" should not be enough to impose the very most serious and grave of penalties in our justice system. If we are going to execute someone, we need to be SURE that this person is guilty. And in this case, there were just too many doubts. there is nothing to be gained from executing him rather than having him serve life in prison in this case.

I am in favor of the death penalty. I have zero qualms with this man's execution or these men's execution. zero. There is no doubt as to their guilt. They committed unspeakable crimes against innocents, let them die as painfully as possible, IMO. But I cannot condone the execution of someone who is only "probably" guilty.

I agree with this. I am in favor of the death penalty for certain crimes and for those who are unequivocally guilty. But this guy was "probably" guilty as in witnesses recanted and there was crap evidence. I actually think he wasn't guilty. I feel terrible for his family.

And to the person who thinks the death penalty is a deterrent. Not true. Studies actually show that is is not a deterrent at all.

TobleroneBar · September 2011

What a truely scary thing to have done to you...if you didn't do it. Can you imagine being lead to your death? All while pleading that you didn't do it, and no one believing you. *shiver*

If he didn't do it, I hope the person who did recieves their just reward.

Rach21 · September 2011

CinemaGoddess:
Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.
There is NO justification for the death penalty ever.

Really? No justification EVER for the death penalty?

New evidence points to the strong conclusion that Tom Davis was an innocent man, Erina. If reasonable doubt is found, the person should be exonerated. If the prosecutors' star witness from 20 years ago is the guy who committed the murder and he confesses, shouldn't HE be the one facing the punishment and not an innocent man?

brizee8485 · September 2011

Unpossible:
daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

Oh goody, I was waiting for one of these! Daiquirri - have you actually ever been to a prison? They are certainly not warm. And I wouldn't say the inmates are well fed either, though they are fed. At most they get the bare minimum. The clothing is very thin and poorly made; doesn't keep you warm at all. As for healthy, they are provided health care but the ratio of health care employees to inmates is very disproportionate making for very long wait times and it's pretty tricky to get any meds.

Well said Unpossible! Most people come out of prison sicker (health wise) than they were when they went in. The clothes are not comfortable, they are lucky to get a bologna sandwich - for dinner - and some water. They have to keep them fed, yes - but they don't have to give them anything else. Prison is not meant to be fun, or comfortable. It's prison!

Rach21 · September 2011

brizee8485:
Unpossible:
daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!
Oh goody, I was waiting for one of these! Daiquirri - have you actually ever been to a prison? They are certainly not warm. And I wouldn't say the inmates are well fed either, though they are fed. At most they get the bare minimum. The clothing is very thin and poorly made; doesn't keep you warm at all. As for healthy, they are provided health care but the ratio of health care employees to inmates is very disproportionate making for very long wait times and it's pretty tricky to get any meds.
Well said Unpossible! Most people come out of prison sicker (health wise) than they were when they went in. The clothes are not comfortable, they are lucky to get a bologna sandwich - for dinner - and some water. They have to keep them fed, yes - but they don't have to give them anything else. Prison is not meant to be fun, or comfortable. It's prison!

What prison are you talking about where they only get bologna sandwiches and water?

FWIW, my cousin has been in prison for 21 years for murder (killed his best friend when he was drunk. Since he confessed, he got life without possibility of parole) and it's no freakin' picnic, but it's not bologna and water either. He says you get used to the rules/regulations. It's the other inmates who make it hellish because you know the other people in there with you are capable of anything under the sun.

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

Rach21:
CinemaGoddess:

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

There is NO justification for the death penalty ever.

Really? No justification EVER for the death penalty?

New evidence points to the strong conclusion that Tom Davis was an innocent man, Erina. If reasonable doubt is found, the person should be exonerated. If the prosecutors' star witness from 20 years ago is the guy who committed the murder and he confesses, shouldn't HE be the one facing the punishment and not an innocent man?

No. Never.

It costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, not to mention the whole government sanctioned murder thing. And the we're a civilized nation and shouldn't have government sanctioned murder like Saudi Arabia thing.

You cannot bring back a life that is lost. You can't.

Now, if the prisoner wants to be executed, like Wesley Alan Dodd, then they should have that option, but they shouldn't be forced into it.

hopkins5 · September 2011

daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

Do you know anything about "tough on crime" legislation? Mandatory minimum sentences? Crime rates in places with the death penalty versus those without? Harsher punishments do not work. This has been proven time and time again.

You also make prisons sound like hotels. Have you ever been in a prison? Seen one in person, not just on tv? They're not exactly luxurious.

Chelle112 · September 2011

tartaruga:
Erina1004:
A victim? Please, lets call him what he really was, a cop killer.
Maybe he was. In fact, he probably was. But "probably" should not be enough to impose the very most serious and grave of penalties in our justice system. If we are going to execute someone, we need to be SURE that this person is guilty. And in this case, there were just too many doubts. there is nothing to be gained from executing him rather than having him serve life in prison in this case.

I am in favor of the death penalty. I have zero qualms with this man's execution or these men's execution. zero. There is no doubt as to their guilt. They committed unspeakable crimes against innocents, let them die as painfully as possible, IMO. But I cannot condone the execution of someone who is only "probably" guilty.

Completely agree.

tartaruga · September 2011

The death penalty is not murder. Murder is by definition illegal, while the death penalty obviously is not. Not all killing is murder. And I dnt really get the cost argument either. It costs more to put someone in prison than not, but that's not a good argument for just letting people go free. Trials cost money, but we don't say, oh its too expensive, lets not bother.

and you can't get a life back by putting someone in prison either, so is there no point in that? Should we just say, well nothing will bring the victim back, lets just let it go and forget about it?

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

tartaruga:
The death penalty is not murder. Murder is by definition illegal, while the death penalty obviously is not. Not all killing is murder.

Agree to disagree.

hopkins5 · September 2011

CinemaGoddess:
It costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, not to mention the whole government sanctioned murder thing.

Trials also cost more when the death penalty is at stake. Counsel gets paid more. It's also really expensive to pay for each appeal.

ETA: It also costs more to house death row inmates I know you know this stuff, CG. I'm just breaking it down for the people who really do think it's cheaper to put someone on death row and kill them than it is to keep them locked up for life.

Rach21 · September 2011

CinemaGoddess:
Rach21:
CinemaGoddess:

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.
There is NO justification for the death penalty ever.
Really? No justification EVER for the death penalty?
New evidence points to the strong conclusion that Tom Davis was an innocent man, Erina. If reasonable doubt is found, the person should be exonerated. If the prosecutors' star witness from 20 years ago is the guy who committed the murder and he confesses, shouldn't HE be the one facing the punishment and not an innocent man?
No. Never.
It costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, not to mention the whole government sanctioned murder thing. And the we're a civilized nation and shouldn't have government sanctioned murder like Saudi Arabia thing.
You cannot bring back a life that is lost. You can't.
Now, if the prisoner wants to be executed, like Wesley Alan Dodd, then they should have that option, but they shouldn't be forced into it.

No, you can't bring back a life that is lost (even with a life sentence). But I just personally believe that when someone commits a truly heinous crime, they should face the ultimate punishment.

tartaruga · September 2011

hopkins5:
CinemaGoddess:
It costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, not to mention the whole government sanctioned murder thing.
Trials also cost more when the death penalty is at stake. Counsel gets paid more. It's also really expensive to pay for each appeal.

Thats the reason that the DP costs more. It doesn't actually cost more to execute someone - if you could execute them without all the appeals, it would be much much cheaper than life in prison. Its the appeals that cost so much. NT that I'm arguing against appeals, obviously, but just pointing out that's not *a* reason it's more expensive, it's the only reason.

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

Rach21:
CinemaGoddess:
Rach21:
CinemaGoddess:

Erina1004:
I am sure you are aware that people confess to notorious crimes they didn't commit quite frequently and of course any one that does would be any prosecutions star witness.

There is NO justification for the death penalty ever.

Really? No justification EVER for the death penalty?

New evidence points to the strong conclusion that Tom Davis was an innocent man, Erina. If reasonable doubt is found, the person should be exonerated. If the prosecutors' star witness from 20 years ago is the guy who committed the murder and he confesses, shouldn't HE be the one facing the punishment and not an innocent man?

No. Never.

It costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, not to mention the whole government sanctioned murder thing. And the we're a civilized nation and shouldn't have government sanctioned murder like Saudi Arabia thing.

You cannot bring back a life that is lost. You can't.

Now, if the prisoner wants to be executed, like Wesley Alan Dodd, then they should have that option, but they shouldn't be forced into it.

No, you can't bring back a life that is lost (even with a life sentence). But I just personally believe that when someone commits a truly heinous crime, they should face the ultimate punishment.

Our ideas of ultimate punishment are different.

tartaruga · September 2011

CinemaGoddess:
tartaruga:
The death penalty is not murder. Murder is by definition illegal, while the death penalty obviously is not. Not all killing is murder.

Agree to disagree.

Its not my opinion, its the law. Legally speaking, the death penalty is not murder. Neither is manslaughter or justifiable homicide. Murder isn't just a generic term for killing someone, it has a specific legal definition.

CinemaGoddess · September 2011

tartaruga:
CinemaGoddess:

tartaruga:
The death penalty is not murder. Murder is by definition illegal, while the death penalty obviously is not. Not all killing is murder.

Agree to disagree.

Its not my opinion, its the law. Legally speaking, the death penalty is not murder. Neither is manslaughter or justifiable homicide. Murder isn't just a generic term for killing someone, it has a specific legal definition.

Ok. Then what is the legal definition of the death penalty?

hopkins5 · September 2011

tartaruga:
The death penalty is not murder. Murder is by definition illegal, while the death penalty obviously is not.

It is here

hopkins5 · September 2011

I just keep getting more and more upset as I learn more about this case. It's just awful.

Heather R · September 2011

daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

It costs more to execute someone than to imprison him for life. Snopes that shiz.

zeptattoo · September 2011

BostonKisses2:

jesseandjen:
This makes me incredibly sad. I don't know enough about the case to say if I feel he is guilty or not guilty, but there should have at least been a stay of execution granted while they worked that sh!t out. I feel for his family and those around him.

ITA. To me, this just proves how broken the justice system is, especially when high courts are denying appeals without any comment as to why.

Most appellate courts only get involved if there is an issue with the original trial, or new evidence, etc. When they reject a case, it means they found no discrepency.

And this guy was sentenced to death in 1987. They went through many appeals and no one took it (whether they should have or not). A last-minute stay would just be postponing the inevitable, IMHO.

Heather R · September 2011

Heather R:

daiquirri:
Maybe if the death penalty was used more criminals would consider the consequences of their actions. I think we need harsher punishments. Keeping people well fed, clothed, warm, and healthy in prison costs the innocent way too much!!

It costs more to execute someone than to imprison him for life. Snopes that shiz.

https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

daiquirri · September 2011

Maybe not luxurious as they shouldn't be, but yes they make it a comfortable adult day care. With meals like tacos, turkey dinners, some even make their own apple sauce. As for being warm, an extra blanket isn't a difficult request.

Someone like this:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/06/28/md-baby-needs-surgery-after-alleged-sex-assault/

Doesn't deserve the right to live.

And this persons comment is dead on.

jhayes

We (you and me) condone the rape of children in this country. Now, while we are all outraged and venting here (on this site) how many of you have written a judge who rewarded a child rapist with a few years in jail. How many of you have written your criminal politician?s to demand stiffer sentences?

Do you realize that in Maryland (this country) the two crimes that are condoned and embraced by law enforcement are: crimes while driving a motor vehicle and under the influcence AND crimes against children.

You STILL have people who will want to give this predator counselling and no death penalty. These crimes cry out for the death penalty. They are that severe.

If the judge rewards this human wih less than life, they I expect ALL of you to be calling and faxing, writing and emailing him YOUR EXTREME ANGER!!!!!!! and your elected politicians as well.
That is how you channel your anger; for change and for sentences that fit the crimes

hopkins5 · September 2011

I knew I should've had my Post-its handy

daiquirri · September 2011

Unpossible:
Boo. Daiquirri's too chicken to come back

LOL Really?

Heather R · September 2011

daiquirri:

Maybe not luxurious as they shouldn't be, but yes they make it a comfortable adult day care. With meals like tacos, turkey dinners, some even make their own apple sauce. As for being warm, an extra blanket isn't a difficult request.

let's respond to this first.

Here is prison: https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/07/03/20110703tent-city-temperatures-rise-145.html

https://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles_2004/us_prison_conditions_darkside.html (copies NY Times article there)

I am not saying conditions are too harsh; I'm just saying they're not the bed and breakfast you say they are.

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