FYI

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

just want to make sure all the "pregnancy is 40 weeks, suck it up" posters see this.

Pregnancy is NOT 40 weeks. A full term pregnancy is 37 weeks, 40 is given as your due date not because baby will magically be ripe THAT VERY DAY but because on average a baby will be in the womb for 40 weeks. Some arrive early, many arrive late.

i would LOVE to see the "pregnancy is 40 weeks, suck it up, quit whing" people turn down an induction at 41-42 weeks.

brandx725 · May 2011

so very true. thanks for posting this ive been thinking the same thing all along lol.

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

Really, if you're going to act like an a$$hole-know-it-all to people that MAY be having a more uncomfortable pregnancy than you, you'd better really know it all.

KYBABY2011 · May 2011

Ok I'm curious, not whining or saying you are wrong. I completely agree with you.

Where did the 40 weeks even come from? Do most babies come close to 40 weeks so they said 40? I don't know if this has an answer, but I just started thinking about it when I read your FFFC.

pregarella · May 2011

I have no issues with the whiners......or the whiners about whiners. But it seems like the APA really considers "full term" to be 38 weeks, since they say you are at full term at the end of your 37th week (why they wouldn't just say 38 weeks is beyond me).

https://www.americanpregnancy.org/weekbyweek/week37.htm

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pregnancy+full+term+37+weeks&entrypoint=IE-SearchBox&FORM=LENIE

I can't remember where I heard it first, but google 37 weeks full term pregnancy and those are the results.

Gwyneddlesliegrace · May 2011

I love you.

cvl105 · May 2011

I don't think anyone is saying the 40 weeks is when you're full term. At least that's not any intention I had when commenting that I don't understand why people get so frustrated when baby isn't out early, when most first time pregnancies go over 40 weeks.

gymnst1013 · May 2011

cvl105:
I don't think anyone is saying the 40 weeks is when you're full term. At least that's not any intention I had when commenting that I don't understand why people get so frustrated when baby isn't out early, when most first time pregnancies go over 40 weeks.

Yep, this is also my view. And for the record, what is full term depends on who you ask. I posted asking this very question a day or 2 ago and got a completely split vote. Some people's docs say 37, some say 38. And I read something recently about the ACOG considering changing the "official" definition of full term to 39 weeks.

The point, for me at least, isn't what is considered "full term". That's just an arbitrary number especially considering the vast majority of people don't know when, exactly, they conceived. The point for me is when is it safest/best for baby to be born? Obviously your doctors need to look at the risks in each case (risk of baby staying in longer vs. being born early), but in general, the evidence is that it is best for baby to stay in for at least 39 weeks which, I'm assuming, is why the ACOG is considering changing the definition of full term to 39 weeks.

I dunno, just my opinion.

AshleyPT · May 2011

samfish2bcrab:
i would LOVE to see the "pregnancy is 40 weeks, suck it up, quit whing" people turn down an induction at 41-42 weeks.

Ok, I'll shake on that. I'll be turning down any induction that is based off an old arbitrary time frame and not medical necessity.

Also, I don't really see people attacking them. Just confusion about why they are so surprised with a lack of "progress" .

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

This was in response to these two:

LoveOfMikesLife:

Here it goes..... I think a lot of the women on this board are whiney self centered brats! First we have a progression check in twice a week for a reason, USE IT!!! Why you think that you/ your situation makes it anymore of a reason to AW yourself I will never know. Second, we are ALL excited to meet our LO's. With that being said, don't wish for your LO to come early for your own selfish reasons. Did you think bring pregnant was going to be a walk in the park?! We have all had ups and downs in our pregnancies, some worse than others, but growing a little person isn't easy or fun all the time! Maybe if you take the time to stop b!tching and complaining so much you might actually enjoy some of it.

This this this! It is ok to complain about discomfort, but why the hell would anyone actually want their LO to be born prior to their EDD without medical concerns that would warrant early induction? There is a HUGE difference in development between 36 weeks and 40. Pregnancy isn't supposed to be easy.

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

and this one:

To be clear, I told you no response was needed yet you PM'd again. In fact, you started PMing me when it wasn't necessary so I wasn't "still at it" - I merely replied. I'm sorry you were offended that I mentioned that pregnancy is 40 weeks for a reason and not 36 because the baby is still developing and maturing, but hey - this is the internet. People have different opinions. It's not worth getting so upset about.

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

Ok well I didn't even put a time frame into my comment, I didn't say 37 weeks or 41 weeks! I just said don't wish for your LO to come early for selfish reasons! Maybe I should highlight that!

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

or maybe you can just focus on the fact that every pregnancy is different.

SarahP15 · May 2011

samfish2bcrab:

and this one:

To be clear, I told you no response was needed yet you PM'd again. In fact, you started PMing me when it wasn't necessary so I wasn't "still at it" - I merely replied. I'm sorry you were offended that I mentioned that pregnancy is 40 weeks for a reason and not 36 because the baby is still developing and maturing, but hey - this is the internet. People have different opinions. It's not worth getting so upset about.

I stand by what I say. If pregnancy was meant to be around 36 weeks, then it would be, give or take. But it's not; it's 40 weeks give or take. Like Gym posted, they're even considering changing the very definition of full-term to 39 weeks because of the development that continues into the 39th week. The person I was replying to was about 36 weeks and claimed to be full term, which is not true even by current standards of 37-38 weeks, depending on the source.

I would hope that most people on here wish for nothing more than a healthy pregnancy and baby, and if their babies come at 37 weeks and have no complications, that is GREAT. I have friends who delivered in their 36th week and had babies with trouble breathing and had to stay in the NICU until they were fully developed. Those women would have given anything to keep their babies in longer to finish developing.

You're right - I will not turn down an induction at 41 weeks because there are risks involved by going too far post-term, including placental insufficiency, higher level of cesarean, decreased levels of amniotic fluid which can lead to umbilical cord compression, and meconium aspiration. That is why it is the standard practice of many OB's to induce at 41 weeks.

lizz00344 · May 2011

samfish2bcrab:
or maybe you can just focus on the fact that every pregnancy is different.

Drinks That deserves a round. Yet another reason why I love you on this board.

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

I know that every pregnancy is different, but if you're going to call me out for something I think that you should at least make sure that I fit into exactly what you're complaining about. I know that some babies come early and some come later. I know that some people have had a harder pregnancy than I have. Also from paying attention to peoples post I know that some people complaining have had an easier pregnancy than me. I am just trying to say that the power of positive thinking can be a GREAT thing and if you sit around a dwell on the bad things, chances are you're going to feel pretty crappy and "over it". If you look at the positive things chances are you will overall feel better!

caruso_60 · May 2011

samfish2bcrab:
just want to make sure all the "pregnancy is 40 weeks, suck it up" posters see this.

Pregnancy is NOT 40 weeks. A full term pregnancy is 37 weeks, 40 is given as your due date not because baby will magically be ripe THAT VERY DAY but because on average a baby will be in the womb for 40 weeks. Some arrive early, many arrive late.

i would LOVE to see the "pregnancy is 40 weeks, suck it up, quit whing" people turn down an induction at 41-42 weeks.

While I agree with you that full term is 37 weeks, I did turn down an induction with my DS at 41 weeks. I finally had one at 42 for the safety of my baby.

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

And you keep focusing on 37 weeks, what about the girls complaining that are only 35 weeks? Or even the ones that started complaining at 30 weeks? There are several ladies on this board that have had their LO early, some were fine, some are still fighting! I just think that we should keep that in mind! I WISH for my LO to come out when she is ready!

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

LoveOfMikesLife:
And you keep focusing on 37 weeks, what about the girls complaining that are only 35 weeks? Or even the ones that started complaining at 30 weeks? There are several ladies on this board that have had their LO early, some were fine, some are still fighting! I just think that we should keep that in mind! I WISH for my LO to come out when she is ready!

i was focusing on 37 weeks because people were pointing out that pregnancy is 40 weeks for a reason. No. It's not.

Look, if you really think these people are wishing their babies out early regardless of whether it would hurt them or not you're reading way too far into it.

First of all no one can wish a baby into being born, if wishing were that powerful they'd screw up their eyes, cross their fingers, tap the heels of their ruby red slippers together and say "I wish for my baby to be full term right now and be born healthy" Wait, that's wrong. if wishing were THAT strong, most would probably wish to fast forward right through the labour/delivery process and just be holding their full term healthy baby.

Secondly, NO ONE WANTS AN UNHEALTHY BABY. They're just venting, for christ's sake.

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

" i was focusing on 37 weeks because people were pointing out that pregnancy is 40 weeks for a reason.? No.?? It's not." And all I said was I didnt put a time frame on my FFFC yet you choice to try and call me out for it. And then told me to realize all pregnancies were different. You also stated that both sides of this argument were irrational yet you choice to start a spin off thread! Are you just in the mood to argue today?

gymnst1013 · May 2011

I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

scarlette+noir · May 2011

gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

You're eeeeeevil! We have a snack bar in my office on the next aisle over from my cubicle... I totally just waddled over and got one!

samfish2bcrab · May 2011

LOL. Are you kidding me? this is not a one sided argument, you keep responding as well.

I said both sides of the argument are annoying, not irrational.

I said to YOU specifically that all pregnancies are different because you are biotching about how other people are complaining about pregnancy and you HAVE NO IDEA how they feel or how their pregnancy has been.

SarahP15 · May 2011

gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

mmm now I do too. chocolate always makes everything better

kbel424 · May 2011

gymnst1013:
cvl105:
I don't think anyone is saying the 40 weeks is when you're full term. At least that's not any intention I had when commenting that I don't understand why people get so frustrated when baby isn't out early, when most first time pregnancies go over 40 weeks.

Yep, this is also my view. And for the record, what is full term depends on who you ask. I posted asking this very question a day or 2 ago and got a completely split vote. Some people's docs say 37, some say 38. And I read something recently about the ACOG considering changing the "official" definition of full term to 39 weeks.

The point, for me at least, isn't what is considered "full term". That's just an arbitrary number especially considering the vast majority of people don't know when, exactly, they conceived. The point for me is when is it safest/best for baby to be born? Obviously your doctors need to look at the risks in each case (risk of baby staying in longer vs. being born early), but in general, the evidence is that it is best for baby to stay in for at least 39 weeks which, I'm assuming, is why the ACOG is considering changing the definition of full term to 39 weeks.

I dunno, just my opinion.

Agreed. There is a poster in my Dr office that shows the difference between a baby's brain at 37 weeks and 39 weeks, and the difference is INCREDIBLE. There is still so much development happening in those last couple of weeks!

EMLYNNLERETTE · May 2011

samfish2bcrab:

i was focusing on 37 weeks because people were pointing out that pregnancy is 40 weeks for a reason. No.   It's not.

Look, if you really think these people are wishing their babies out early regardless of whether it would hurt them or not you're reading way too far into it.

First of all no one can wish a baby into being born, if wishing were that powerful they'd screw up their eyes, cross their fingers, tap the heels of their ruby red slippers together and say "I wish for my baby to be full term right now and be born healthy" Wait, that's wrong.   if wishing were THAT strong, most would probably wish to fast forward right through the labour/delivery process and just be holding their full term healthy baby.

Secondly, NO ONE WANTS AN UNHEALTHY BABY.   They're just venting, for christ's sake.

I wasn't planning on coming on here again today just because there is way to much tension around these parts, but I'm glad I did. You are dead on with all of it.

JayElleJayCee · May 2011

gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

I'm eating twizzlers if you want some **hands one over**

MammaBear81 · May 2011

kbel424:
gymnst1013:
cvl105:
I don't think anyone is saying the 40 weeks is when you're full term. At least that's not any intention I had when commenting that I don't understand why people get so frustrated when baby isn't out early, when most first time pregnancies go over 40 weeks.

Yep, this is also my view. And for the record, what is full term depends on who you ask. I posted asking this very question a day or 2 ago and got a completely split vote. Some people's docs say 37, some say 38. And I read something recently about the ACOG considering changing the "official" definition of full term to 39 weeks.

The point, for me at least, isn't what is considered "full term". That's just an arbitrary number especially considering the vast majority of people don't know when, exactly, they conceived. The point for me is when is it safest/best for baby to be born? Obviously your doctors need to look at the risks in each case (risk of baby staying in longer vs. being born early), but in general, the evidence is that it is best for baby to stay in for at least 39 weeks which, I'm assuming, is why the ACOG is considering changing the definition of full term to 39 weeks.

I dunno, just my opinion.
Agreed. There is a poster in my Dr office that shows the difference between a baby's brain at 37 weeks and 39 weeks, and the difference is INCREDIBLE. There is still so much development happening in those last couple of weeks!

I'm honestly curios NOT STARTING A FIGHT, if you do give birth early will that development in the baby's brain NOT happen because it is born two weeks early, or will it just happen outside rather than inside?

JayElleJayCee · May 2011

MammaBear81:
kbel424:
gymnst1013:

cvl105:
I don't think anyone is saying the 40 weeks is when you're full term. At least that's not any intention I had when commenting that I don't understand why people get so frustrated when baby isn't out early, when most first time pregnancies go over 40 weeks.

Yep, this is also my view. And for the record, what is full term depends on who you ask. I posted asking this very question a day or 2 ago and got a completely split vote. Some people's docs say 37, some say 38. And I read something recently about the ACOG considering changing the "official" definition of full term to 39 weeks.

The point, for me at least, isn't what is considered "full term". That's just an arbitrary number especially considering the vast majority of people don't know when, exactly, they conceived. The point for me is when is it safest/best for baby to be born? Obviously your doctors need to look at the risks in each case (risk of baby staying in longer vs. being born early), but in general, the evidence is that it is best for baby to stay in for at least 39 weeks which, I'm assuming, is why the ACOG is considering changing the definition of full term to 39 weeks.

I dunno, just my opinion.

Agreed. There is a poster in my Dr office that shows the difference between a baby's brain at 37 weeks and 39 weeks, and the difference is INCREDIBLE. There is still so much development happening in those last couple of weeks!

I'm honestly curios NOT STARTING A FIGHT, if you do give birth early will that development in the baby's brain NOT happen because it is born two weeks early, or will it just happen outside rather than inside?

Ooooh. Good question!

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

I have gummy bears!

I don't think that anyone wants an unhealthy baby. I just want people to look on the bright side and understand that they are creating a miracle. It sucks, we are all uncomfortable and it's getting hot out causing A LOT of unwanted swelling, I get it ! But some people need to get that their baby will come when it's ready! That's all!

And to EMNLNNYN(?) (sorry I can't remember her s/n ) please don't think that I was saying or focusing on you. It was a general statement NOT pointed at any one person

oh and thanks again to GYM who taught me how to do different paragraphs on my phone!

MommaG123 · May 2011

I think that the entire point the OP is trying to make is that every person and every pregnancy, and every baby for that matter, is different. Two different babies could be gestated for the exact same number of days and still be at different developmental levels when they came out.

Unless you had IVF your due date was most likely predicted off your LMP which is often off. Mine for example, was June 4th off my LMP and then an early u/s pushed it back 9 days to June 13th. The 40 week mark comes from the average length of pregnancies over a long period of time... usually from a while ago when the due date was only based off of LMP not early u/s (which is supposed to be much more accurate - as in within 2-3 days).

Therefore, to me, this entire argument is based off of something that is completely arbitrary in the first place. Most EDDs are not the actual date a baby is viable, and some babies can be developed much earlier than others in utero. There is NO WAY of knowing when your baby is safe for delivery. And in my opinion, there is a range of weeks that a baby could be born and be perfectly healthy and developed. Your baby could be estimated 36 weeks and score 10 on the APGARs and be fine, or it could go to the estimated 42 weeks and be fine. An EDD is just a guess.

nursebecca79 · May 2011

JayElleJayCee:
gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

I'm eating twizzlers if you want some **hands one over**

OMG...twizzlers! May I? **reaches for one**

SarahP15 · May 2011

Let's all agree to disagree since arguing over the internet won't do any good anyhow, and share our virtual candy and have a virtual drink. Cheers! Drinks

JayElleJayCee · May 2011

nursebecca79:
JayElleJayCee:

gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

I'm eating twizzlers if you want some **hands one over**

OMG...twizzlers! May I? **reaches for one**

HAHA. Hands you two...

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

Don't look at it as arguing! Think healthy internet debate!

but seriously I'm done now, I just don't like having words put in my mouth. I say enough stupid sh!t on my own without people "helping" me

Turtle143 · May 2011

gymnst1013:
I really want a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup right now.

hahahahhahahah

Popcorn?

nicsigni · May 2011

I've wanted this baby out since about week 18 when I was still puking every day. And I've had a pretty easy pregnancy compared to a lot of people- no complications or issues really. Turns out, I just DO NOT enjoy being pregnant.

Does that mean I really want my baby to be born too early and have to be in the NICU or that I don't feel horrible for the parents whose babies do have to spend time there? (No.) Just means I'm tired of being pregnant. That's it. Pretty simple. (As for the "you should have thought about that before you got pregnant" argument... how asinine is that one? No one knows how they will react to being pregnant, as every single pregnancy- and person- is different. My mom apparently had an amazing pregnancy and sincerely loved every second she was pregnant. Obviously, I do not feel the same, but how would I know that before hand? My magic 8 ball?)

I generally don't chime in on this wacky debates, but I'm feeling snarky today. And I want candy now! Crying

SarahP15 · May 2011

LoveOfMikesLife:

Don't look at it as arguing! Think healthy internet debate!

but seriously I'm done now, I just don't like having words put in my mouth. I say enough stupid sh!t on my own without people "helping" me

haha, i'm also done with the debate. i have more important things to think about...like this DELICIOUS virtual martini i'm sipping on Drinks

nicsigni · May 2011

Also, crap, this is why I don't spend time writing out replies! Hahah, by the time I posted the debate was apparently over!

Agree to disagree- I'm on board. Drinks

LoveOfMikesLife · May 2011

SarahP15:
LoveOfMikesLife:

Don't look at it as arguing! Think healthy internet debate!

but seriously I'm done now, I just don't like having words put in my mouth. I say enough stupid sh!t on my own without people "helping" me

haha, i'm also done with the debate. i have more important things to think about...like this DELICIOUS virtual martini i'm sipping on

I think I just might join you!

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