My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
Well, I agree. That's where my UO came from. You'd be surprised how many people on the boards were posting about how they want to baptize their LO's but they don't even BELIEVE in God or practice any form of religion. That's bazerk.
I suppose if I saw those, I would ask what their motivation is, since it seems to amount to publicly making a promise you know you're not going to keep.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
This made me laugh....loudly!
Do you think you could find a smocked dress with little elephants? Or NRA logos?
I think buying a cheaper, lower quality second car seat for the other car is reckless and borderline negligent. Also, it shows that you failed physics in college.
ITA. It's one thing if you can't afford the most expensive car seat, and you purchase two of a model that you find to be equally safe. But to decide that one is the safest, purchase one, and then buy a second that you believe is not as safe (and therefore not worthy of your other car) seems bizarre to me.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
This made me laugh....loudly!
Do you think you could find a smocked dress with little elephants? Or NRA logos?
Oh we've got smocked elephants! But, we'll pass on the NRA logos! Gun safety will be taught at an early age - but something smocked smocked and NRA in the same sentence seems Klassy to me.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
Well, I agree. That's where my UO came from. You'd be surprised how many people on the boards were posting about how they want to baptize their LO's but they don't even BELIEVE in God or practice any form of religion. That's bazerk.
I suppose if I saw those, I would ask what their motivation is, since it seems to amount to publicly making a promise you know you're not going to keep.
Ding, ding, ding. EXACTLY.
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My UO: I think many parents do their babies a disservice when they don't give them enough time on the floor. I worry for children when I hear their parents say they always want to be held, and so they are always holding them (or wearing them). Sure, when they are tiny, some babies need to be held a lot.
But sometimes, when you put them down on the floor, they fuss or cry because they're bored. Maybe they want a different toy. Maybe they want your attention (i.e., play with them on the floor). Just because they cry or fuss doesn't mean that the only solution is to pick them up.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
I thought baptism was to free the child of "original sin"?
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
I thought baptism was to free the child of "original sin"?
In some religions, like the Catholic religion. Other religions don't believe that a baby needs to be forgiven for "original sin."
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I think that depends on your religion because the religion I was raised in doesn't believe that.
My UO is that I think men who want to be stay at home dads are strange. Not saying they can't do a good job but the fact that they want to do so is very odd to me.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
I understand what baptism is completely. I was born and raised in church. It's a parent's commitment to indoctrinate their child in a set of beliefs before the child has a chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.
I thought baptism was to free the child of "original sin"?
In some religions, like the Catholic religion. Other religions don't believe that a baby needs to be forgiven for "original sin."
Well that makes sense then since I was raised Catholic. As you can tell, I am not a very religious person.
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
Hah. I have my whole name out there for all to see and it doesn't bother me. I think people either think they are more important than they really are or they are paranoid. I'm cool with it.
My UO: Unless you/DH are a member of a church, regularly attend a church or consider yourselves to be somewhat religious, I don't think you should be able to baptize your children in a church.
I'll give a UO along these lines. I don't think a baby should be baptized at all. I think someone should be allowed to make that decision for themselves when they get old enough to understand.
My UO: Some people don't understand what baptism is.
Baptism is a commitment that PARENTS make saying they will raise their child as a Christian. Most Christian religions have another ceremony (Confirmation, Communion, etc.) for individuals when they reach an age of reason (late child or early adulthood) where they make a decision to become a member of that religious community.
So if you don't want to raise your child as a Christian, then don't baptize them. NBD. If the parents "don't consider themselves to be somewhat religious", I'm not sure why they would do a baptism. Also, if you don't baptize in a church, where would you do it??? It's not like marriage, where you can do it secularly in a courthouse or in Vegas.
THANK YOU!!!
You can bless a child outside of the church. You cannot baptize a child outside of the church.
Jack was baptised while he was in the NICU. I assume most people see this as an exception. But I am fairly certain that his soul is secure.
I was baptized in a pond. My then religion believes you have to
completely be submersed in water. We didn't have a baptismal. There are
other reason for being baptized outside of a church.
My UO is that I think men who want to be stay at home dads are strange. Not saying they can't do a good job but the fact that they want to do so is very odd to me.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
Right there. You can't believe that I would baptize my child, raise him in the Church, and also be accepting if he ends up choosing another faith, or atheism? That is what indicates your offense at baptism, and that is why you are close-minded.
Correct that Baptists don't conduct infant baptism. But they do conduct infant dedication - it is the same principle of infant baptism but no water is involved.
Parents stand before the church family and commit to raise their children in the faith teaching them about Christ.
As a Baptist I generally agree with most of your statement, however my Catholic ILs would (and did) vehemently disagree with the highlighted portion. It is most definitely not the same thing to many Christans. I tried the "but I/We would still be standing up before God pledging to raise DD as a Christan, why isn't that enough". They just don't agree and don't see it as enough.
Correct that Baptists don't conduct infant baptism. But they do conduct infant dedication - it is the same principle of infant baptism but no water is involved.
Parents stand before the church family and commit to raise their children in the faith teaching them about Christ.
As a Baptist I generally agree with most of your statement, however my Catholic ILs would (and did) vehemently disagree with the highlighted portion. It is most definitely not the same thing to many Christans. I tried the "but I/We would still be standing up before God pledging to raise DD as a Christan, why isn't that enough". They just don't agree and don't see it as enough.
I can see how Catholics would disagree since they believe that all infants need to be cleansed of original sin.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
Right there. You can't believe that I would baptize my child, raise him in the Church, and also be accepting if he ends up choosing another faith, or atheism? That is what indicates your offense at baptism, and that is why you are close-minded.
Ummm. What? No it doesn't. I'm not offened by anyone else's beliefs. I don't care what other people believe. You have to actually care about something for it to offend you. The fact that you would be upset if your child grows up and doesn't have the same beliefs as you means you are close minded.
I think buying a cheaper, lower quality second car seat for the other car is reckless and borderline negligent. Also, it shows that you failed physics in college.
ITA. It's one thing if you can't afford the most expensive car seat, and you purchase two of a model that you find to be equally safe. But to decide that one is the safest, purchase one, and then buy a second that you believe is not as safe (and therefore not worthy of your other car) seems bizarre to me.
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I hate when people wear sports clothing, like jerseys. The only place they should be worn is at a sporting event. I'm so glad my husband does not follow professional sports, I'd much rather loose him to the garage on the weekends (he restores old cars), then have him parked on the sofa watching sports all day.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
Right there. You can't believe that I would baptize my child, raise him in the Church, and also be accepting if he ends up choosing another faith, or atheism? That is what indicates your offense at baptism, and that is why you are close-minded.
Ummm. What? No it doesn't. I'm not offened by anyone else's beliefs. I don't care what other people believe. You have to actually care about something for it to offend you. The fact that you would be upset if your child grows up and doesn't have the same beliefs as you means you are close minded.
I am saying I wouldn't be upset! How can you not wrap your head around the fact that religious parent =/= religious zealot?!
I hate seeing babies with their ears pierced! And worse when the parent(s) are like "I wanted to do it now so they dont remember the pain". They might not remember it but it will hurt at the time and I 100% think that this is something that the child should decide.
I will pull an old school Bump quote (this totally dates me back to me back to the days of my old banned screen name)...
"babies are not for bedazzling"
Oh I love that quote!!!
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I really hate it when guys and people that shouldn't, wear skinny jeans...they are ugly. They make your legs look gross.
I agree. Take a hot guy and put him in skinny jeans, immediately I am no longer attracted.
Yep! that and if it looks like you have to grease yourself into your pants there's something wrong with that picture.
OK I have another one: I have a friend that I have had since forever who hasn't gotten their GED and wants to home school...I side eye that. I think if you want to home-school thats fine but YOU should have your Diploma or GED. I think that homeschooling is not giving your kid workbooks and telling them to read and expect them to learn.
**~Future Mama to my June "Sprout"~** EDD- 06/13/2017 **Stinkerbelle-8-27-10 * Mr.P's 2nd Mama 7-27-07**
I hate when people wear sports clothing, like jerseys. The only place they should be worn is at a sporting event. I'm so glad my husband does not follow professional sports, I'd much rather loose him to the garage on the weekends (he restores old cars), then have him parked on the sofa watching sports all day.
Your entire post is a mystery to me. Why is it better to be out in the garage than on the sofa? So you can have zero communication? Because cars is... what... more prestigious of a hobby? Because then he might be tempted to wear a cap or shirt or jersey *GASP* outside of a sporting event? And why is sports apparel so offensive to you? The bright colors? The mascots and numbers?
Have to ever watched sports? Have you ever attended a sporting event for a reason other than dressing in team apparel and drinking a white zinfandel, like to actually cheer for a team? If you ever really cheered for something, you would understand why someone would want to wear the apparel outside of the sports arena. If you ever watched sports, you would understand why restoring cars seems like the most boring hobby in the world. Stick me in an energized living room watching a neck-to-neck game on the television, everyone cheering, smiles and high-fives exchanged any day of the week. Love it. It's one of the things that my H and I connect with - we discuss stats, make win-loss predictions, enjoy games together.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
Right there. You can't believe that I would baptize my child, raise him in the Church, and also be accepting if he ends up choosing another faith, or atheism? That is what indicates your offense at baptism, and that is why you are close-minded.
Ummm. What? No it doesn't. I'm not offened by anyone else's beliefs. I don't care what other people believe. You have to actually care about something for it to offend you. The fact that you would be upset if your child grows up and doesn't have the same beliefs as you means you are close minded.
I am saying I wouldn't be upset! How can you not wrap your head around the fact that religious parent =/= religious zealot?!
I can definitely wrap my mind around that. I don't think all religious parents are zealous. As for the other part....I just misread the statement. Sorry. I'm not trying to personally attack anyone, but you must know that a lot of religious parents are not that open minded. Mine included. I'm glad to know some are though. I wish I could be open with my own parents about my beliefs and views.
My UO is that I think men who want to be stay at home dads are strange. Not saying they can't do a good job but the fact that they want to do so is very odd to me.
I think that means you have a DH that isnt the most involved father.
Actually DH is a very involved father when he is home from work. He does at least 50% of the childcare duties when he is home. He would never want to be a SAHD though. I think that men are more inherently drawn to working and making a living as opposed to staying home. I know a lot of men are SAHD but I find it strange when that is what they want to do it (as opposed to being laid off or their wife makes more so it makes more sense).
My UO: I think many parents do their babies a disservice when they don't give them enough time on the floor. I worry for children when I hear their parents say they always want to be held, and so they are always holding them (or wearing them). Sure, when they are tiny, some babies need to be held a lot.
But sometimes, when you put them down on the floor, they fuss or cry because they're bored. Maybe they want a different toy. Maybe they want your attention (i.e., play with them on the floor). Just because they cry or fuss doesn't mean that the only solution is to pick them up.
Agree. I wish my MIL could understand this. She was blown away when I told her yes, Aiden has been sitting up on his own for weeks. You watch him 4 hours a day five days a week woman! If you put him down NOT on your lap for a few minutes at a time you'd be amazed at all the things he can do on his own.
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Correct that Baptists don't conduct infant baptism. But they do conduct infant dedication - it is the same principle of infant baptism but no water is involved.
Parents stand before the church family and commit to raise their children in the faith teaching them about Christ.
As a Baptist I generally agree with most of your statement, however my Catholic ILs would (and did) vehemently disagree with the highlighted portion. It is most definitely not the same thing to many Christans. I tried the "but I/We would still be standing up before God pledging to raise DD as a Christan, why isn't that enough". They just don't agree and don't see it as enough.
I can see how Catholics would disagree since they believe that all infants need to be cleansed of original sin.
No time to read everything, but as a Catholic, this is why I believe in a baby baptism. Although I no longer attend a Catholic church, we are still going to baptism the boys in the Catholic church for this very reason. Our current church is non-denominational and only does dedications. Our boys will be introduced to the Catholic faith, though, when they are old enough to understand.
*shrugs* I feel like debating today, and the baptism issue has been voiced upon by everyone except Jesus. So I picked this one. Probably she is as baffled as to why anyone would like sports and sports apparel as I am the fact that she does not.
I hate when people wear sports clothing, like jerseys. The only place they should be worn is at a sporting event. I'm so glad my husband does not follow professional sports, I'd much rather loose him to the garage on the weekends (he restores old cars), then have him parked on the sofa watching sports all day.
Your entire post is a mystery to me. Why is it better to be out in the garage than on the sofa? So you can have zero communication? Because cars is... what... more prestigious of a hobby? Because then he might be tempted to wear a cap or shirt or jersey *GASP* outside of a sporting event? And why is sports apparel so offensive to you? The bright colors? The mascots and numbers?
Have to ever watched sports? Have you ever attended a sporting event for a reason other than dressing in team apparel and drinking a white zinfandel, like to actually cheer for a team? If you ever really cheered for something, you would understand why someone would want to wear the apparel outside of the sports arena. If you ever watched sports, you would understand why restoring cars seems like the most boring hobby in the world. Stick me in an energized living room watching a neck-to-neck game on the television, everyone cheering, smiles and high-fives exchanged any day of the week. Love it. It's one of the things that my H and I connect with - we discuss stats, make win-loss predictions, enjoy games together.
Yikes, I didn't mean to offend you, I wasn't aware that everyone MUST be into sports and the coordinating team apparel. I just don't get wearing sports jerseys, unless of course you are a member of the team, it's not my thing. Maybe it's the 5 years I spent surrounded by it as a cocktail waitress at a sports bar, or maybe it was my ex, who was obsessed with the Tarheels, and dressed in the full uniform practically everyday. He even had basketball court area rug that you were not allowed to step on.
I'm not surprised that it's a mystery to you, most people, who are very into sports, don't understand why others are not interested in professional sports at all. You should see the looks my husband gets when asked about "his teams" and he responds that he doesn't follow sports.
Why do I prefer him in the garage rather then parked on a couch? The same reason I prefer my daughter outside or playing with her toys instead of in front of a TV. He's out there using his hands and his mind, he's re-building something pretty awesome (currently at '56 t-bird for yours truly) out of a pile of junk. He taught himself how to do it, and I find his intelligence (and grease covered body) very sexy.
*shrugs* I feel like debating today, and the baptism issue has been voiced upon by everyone except Jesus. So I picked this one. Probably she is as baffled as to why anyone would like sports and sports apparel as I am the fact that she does not.
My UO is that I think men who want to be stay at home dads are strange. Not saying they can't do a good job but the fact that they want to do so is very odd to me.
I think that means you have a DH that isnt the most involved father.
Actually DH is a very involved father when he is home from work. He does at least 50% of the childcare duties when he is home. He would never want to be a SAHD though. I think that men are more inherently drawn to working and making a living as opposed to staying home. I know a lot of men are SAHD but I find it strange when that is what they want to do it (as opposed to being laid off or their wife makes more so it makes more sense).
We have a year of Mat/Pat leave here. One parent can take the whole thing, or it can be split any way between the two. SO decided he wanted to take advantage of this great opportunity and will be spending six months off work to be with DD full time. When given the opportunity and you can financially afford to do so, you think it's "strange?" I think it made me fall in love with SO all over again.
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I agree. I've never seen why this show is hugely popular. I've watched once and was like "meh...overrated".
Isn't indoctrination what parenting is all about? Telling a child what is right and wrong? Whether you indoctrinate with religion, political views, or "Don't hit people because it's not nice", that's what parents do. Children naturally assume parents' beliefs and ideals about EVERYTHING, not just religion. And as much as some parents try to prevent it, most eventually children grow up and learn to make their own decisions.
Your suggested offense at people baptizing their children makes as much sense as if I were to get pissed off that LCB is probably going to indoctrinate Kate with Republican values.
This made me laugh....loudly!
I suppose if I saw those, I would ask what their motivation is, since it seems to amount to publicly making a promise you know you're not going to keep.
Do you think you could find a smocked dress with little elephants? Or NRA logos?
ITA. It's one thing if you can't afford the most expensive car seat, and you purchase two of a model that you find to be equally safe. But to decide that one is the safest, purchase one, and then buy a second that you believe is not as safe (and therefore not worthy of your other car) seems bizarre to me.
I'm not offended by other people baptizing there children. Yes, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong. No, it's not a parent's job to teach a child to believe exactly as they believe. I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting another person is wrong. However, telling a child that your religion or your political views are the only "right" opinion is a totally different story. That makes for a close minded adult.
Oh we've got smocked elephants! But, we'll pass on the NRA logos! Gun safety will be taught at an early age - but something smocked smocked and NRA in the same sentence seems Klassy to me.
Ding, ding, ding. EXACTLY.
My UO: I think many parents do their babies a disservice when they don't give them enough time on the floor. I worry for children when I hear their parents say they always want to be held, and so they are always holding them (or wearing them). Sure, when they are tiny, some babies need to be held a lot.
But sometimes, when you put them down on the floor, they fuss or cry because they're bored. Maybe they want a different toy. Maybe they want your attention (i.e., play with them on the floor). Just because they cry or fuss doesn't mean that the only solution is to pick them up.
I thought baptism was to free the child of "original sin"?
In some religions, like the Catholic religion. Other religions don't believe that a baby needs to be forgiven for "original sin."
You seem to be saying two things. Baptism is ok, yet parents who commit to raising their kids in a religion are doing a disservice.
Also, it is close minded to think that what YOU believe is "widely accepted". There are cultures that don't value a passive, non-violent stance and would say you do your kid a disservice if you don't teach them how to throw (and take) a punch. Those moms would say you're raising a sissy who's going to get walked all over for the rest of his life.
EVERYTHING we teach our kids is based on our own experiences and beliefs. We can't avoid it. Sure, I will teach my kid my beliefs. But I will let him know they are only my beliefs, and while I may provide my reasoning, I will tell him what other people believe and allow him to have his own experiences. Not just for religion and politics, but his actions toward other people, his goals, etc. And I bet he'll be far more open minded for it than your kid.
I think that depends on your religion because the religion I was raised in doesn't believe that.
Well that makes sense then since I was raised Catholic. As you can tell, I am not a very religious person.
I'm not saying two things. All I said was that I'm not offended by other people baptizing their children. Why would I be offended by it? Why would I care? That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't get offended by every little thing I don't agree with.
I'm sure your child will be much more open minded than mine. I just hope your open minded child doesn't decide to believe in a different god than you. I'm sure sh!t would hit the fan then.
I was baptized in a pond. My then religion believes you have to completely be submersed in water. We didn't have a baptismal. There are other reason for being baptized outside of a church.
Right there. You can't believe that I would baptize my child, raise him in the Church, and also be accepting if he ends up choosing another faith, or atheism? That is what indicates your offense at baptism, and that is why you are close-minded.
As a Baptist I generally agree with most of your statement, however my Catholic ILs would (and did) vehemently disagree with the highlighted portion. It is most definitely not the same thing to many Christans. I tried the "but I/We would still be standing up before God pledging to raise DD as a Christan, why isn't that enough". They just don't agree and don't see it as enough.
I can see how Catholics would disagree since they believe that all infants need to be cleansed of original sin.
Ummm. What? No it doesn't. I'm not offened by anyone else's beliefs. I don't care what other people believe. You have to actually care about something for it to offend you. The fact that you would be upset if your child grows up and doesn't have the same beliefs as you means you are close minded.
This.
I am saying I wouldn't be upset! How can you not wrap your head around the fact that religious parent =/= religious zealot?!
EDD- 06/13/2017
**Stinkerbelle-8-27-10 * Mr.P's 2nd Mama 7-27-07**
I agree. Take a hot guy and put him in skinny jeans, immediately I am no longer attracted.
Yep! that and if it looks like you have to grease yourself into your pants there's something wrong with that picture.
OK I have another one: I have a friend that I have had since forever who hasn't gotten their GED and wants to home school...I side eye that. I think if you want to home-school thats fine but YOU should have your Diploma or GED. I think that homeschooling is not giving your kid workbooks and telling them to read and expect them to learn.
EDD- 06/13/2017
**Stinkerbelle-8-27-10 * Mr.P's 2nd Mama 7-27-07**
Your entire post is a mystery to me. Why is it better to be out in the garage than on the sofa? So you can have zero communication? Because cars is... what... more prestigious of a hobby? Because then he might be tempted to wear a cap or shirt or jersey *GASP* outside of a sporting event? And why is sports apparel so offensive to you? The bright colors? The mascots and numbers?
Have to ever watched sports? Have you ever attended a sporting event for a reason other than dressing in team apparel and drinking a white zinfandel, like to actually cheer for a team? If you ever really cheered for something, you would understand why someone would want to wear the apparel outside of the sports arena. If you ever watched sports, you would understand why restoring cars seems like the most boring hobby in the world. Stick me in an energized living room watching a neck-to-neck game on the television, everyone cheering, smiles and high-fives exchanged any day of the week. Love it. It's one of the things that my H and I connect with - we discuss stats, make win-loss predictions, enjoy games together.
Big brother and sister are excited to meet the new baby! It's a GIRL!
~ G ~ 10/2008
~ E ~ 7/2010
I can definitely wrap my mind around that. I don't think all religious parents are zealous. As for the other part....I just misread the statement. Sorry. I'm not trying to personally attack anyone, but you must know that a lot of religious parents are not that open minded. Mine included. I'm glad to know some are though. I wish I could be open with my own parents about my beliefs and views.
Actually DH is a very involved father when he is home from work. He does at least 50% of the childcare duties when he is home. He would never want to be a SAHD though. I think that men are more inherently drawn to working and making a living as opposed to staying home. I know a lot of men are SAHD but I find it strange when that is what they want to do it (as opposed to being laid off or their wife makes more so it makes more sense).
Agree. I wish my MIL could understand this. She was blown away when I told her yes, Aiden has been sitting up on his own for weeks. You watch him 4 hours a day five days a week woman! If you put him down NOT on your lap for a few minutes at a time you'd be amazed at all the things he can do on his own.
No time to read everything, but as a Catholic, this is why I believe in a baby baptism. Although I no longer attend a Catholic church, we are still going to baptism the boys in the Catholic church for this very reason. Our current church is non-denominational and only does dedications. Our boys will be introduced to the Catholic faith, though, when they are old enough to understand.
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*shrugs* I feel like debating today, and the baptism issue has been voiced upon by everyone except Jesus. So I picked this one. Probably she is as baffled as to why anyone would like sports and sports apparel as I am the fact that she does not.
Big brother and sister are excited to meet the new baby! It's a GIRL!
~ G ~ 10/2008
~ E ~ 7/2010
Yikes, I didn't mean to offend you, I wasn't aware that everyone MUST be into sports and the coordinating team apparel. I just don't get wearing sports jerseys, unless of course you are a member of the team, it's not my thing. Maybe it's the 5 years I spent surrounded by it as a cocktail waitress at a sports bar, or maybe it was my ex, who was obsessed with the Tarheels, and dressed in the full uniform practically everyday. He even had basketball court area rug that you were not allowed to step on.
I'm not surprised that it's a mystery to you, most people, who are very into sports, don't understand why others are not interested in professional sports at all. You should see the looks my husband gets when asked about "his teams" and he responds that he doesn't follow sports.
Why do I prefer him in the garage rather then parked on a couch? The same reason I prefer my daughter outside or playing with her toys instead of in front of a TV. He's out there using his hands and his mind, he's re-building something pretty awesome (currently at '56 t-bird for yours truly) out of a pile of junk. He taught himself how to do it, and I find his intelligence (and grease covered body) very sexy.
pretty much! Different strokes...
We have a year of Mat/Pat leave here. One parent can take the whole thing, or it can be split any way between the two. SO decided he wanted to take advantage of this great opportunity and will be spending six months off work to be with DD full time. When given the opportunity and you can financially afford to do so, you think it's "strange?" I think it made me fall in love with SO all over again.