I got into a FB argument about spanking.

ToledoDeux · December 2010

nv40:
ToledoDeux:
nv40:
but I stand by my statement that telling her she is an idiot for living her life based on her religion and degrading her religion makes YOU the moron.

People love to preach tolerance until it gets in the way of their own lives.
Uh, no. She can live her life any way she wants based on her religion, as long as it hurts no one else - what the fwck do I care? People are entitled to be as deluded as they wish to be.

But this clearly would fall in the category of "hurting someone else."

Spanking (not beating) is not child abuse, so whether you agree with her or not...you don't have any right to interfere with her life.

Um.....WHO IS INTERFERING WITH HER LIFE?

Are you under the impression that I am calling CPS over her supposed future actions? lol. Chill out. I disagree with spanking. I negatively judge those who do it. But I am under no delusions that I can do anything about it, besides biitch on a message board.

nv40 · December 2010

Echowysp:
nv40:
mechanicsgirl:
Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
Odd that spanking wasn't taught as a good discipline technique when I was in graduate school. In fact, we were trained how to show parents better methods. Why do you think that is?
Since when do people who attend graduate school, or furthermore, teach in grad school, know more about children than the actual parents of the children?
Again, studies & books will never be able to tell you what works best for your child.

All I'm saying is that if spanking is such a great way to discipline, why isn't it taught to those who work with parents about their children?
My honest answer is fear of a lawsuit. No one in any leadership capacity is able to even mention the possibility of that now, for fear that someone takes it too far.
I don't want to get too far off-track here, but I think that's why schools dropped corporal punishment...not because of the studies. Studies can show anything you want them to.
However, now some school systems are considering bringing back corporal punishment because there is no real deterrent to misbehaving now. This happened in our area recently...the reason they cited if it doesn't get approved? Fear of lawsuits.
Or.... maybe it's because it's not a very healthy way to parent a child?
IN YOUR OPINION.
If your statement was fact, every doctor in the world would tell you not to spank your kids..and we would make it illegal. Until that happens, just except the fact that some people can feel differently...and its not the end of the world. Nobody wants to convince you to change your mind, and you can have your opinion that your ways are better...all I was saying is don't degrade people who don't agree with you. It makes you look like a "my sh#t doesnt stink" type person, and people dont like that.
I'm guessing you're missing my point.
ETA: And to be honest, setting fires and physically attacking people is not the profile of a psychologically sound child. So, you're life really isn't the best example of how to properly discipline the average child. You should've been seen by a professional and received treatment, not struck.

No..I needed my ass spanked, which it was, and I never did that again.
I didn't need pills, I didn't need a doctor, I didn't need some strange voodoo method of hypnotizing me, and I dont hate my parents now. I'm not a criminal, I have no criminal record, I dont enjoy violence now, and I'm not some gutter trash.
I was a bad ass kid, I got punished because my parents refused to let me grow up that way and made sure I was well adjusted for adulthood, I learned my lesson, and it all turned out fine.
Some acts by children are just acts because they are testing boundaries, want to rebel, and don't want to be told what is right and wrong. Those acts don't always need some crazy ass emotional counseling session...they need punishment, and make them understand its not because you don't love them.

I assure you, if it was an acceptable act in your mind as a child to set fire to your house and then attack a family member and was only deterred by being stuck by your parent, then your parents failed you. I mean that without any snark. It should've never been a thought in your mind to do such a thing and think it's normal.
We would be horrified if my 12 year old dss ever acted that way.

I never said I thought it was normal. As a kid I knew it was wrong to play with the candle, they had told me. I did it anyway because I didnt want to be told what to do..and my uncle wasnt by dad and shouldnt be telling me to go to my room.

I never INTENDED to burn my house down, I intended to show the adults that I wasn't going to listen...kind of like a lot of 10 year old boys do.

nv40 · December 2010

ToledoDeux:
nv40:
ToledoDeux:
nv40:
but I stand by my statement that telling her she is an idiot for living her life based on her religion and degrading her religion makes YOU the moron.

People love to preach tolerance until it gets in the way of their own lives.
Uh, no. She can live her life any way she wants based on her religion, as long as it hurts no one else - what the fwck do I care? People are entitled to be as deluded as they wish to be.

But this clearly would fall in the category of "hurting someone else."

Spanking (not beating) is not child abuse, so whether you agree with her or not...you don't have any right to interfere with her life.
Um.....WHO IS INTERFERING WITH HER LIFE?

Are you under the impression that I am calling CPS over her supposed future actions? lol. Chill out. I disagree with spanking. I negatively judge those who do it. But I am under no delusions that I can do anything about it, besides biitch on a message board.

ahh..well...we have actually reached a point where I think this is settled. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Echowysp · December 2010

nv40:
Echowysp:
nv40:
mechanicsgirl:
Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
Odd that spanking wasn't taught as a good discipline technique when I was in graduate school. In fact, we were trained how to show parents better methods. Why do you think that is?
Since when do people who attend graduate school, or furthermore, teach in grad school, know more about children than the actual parents of the children?
Again, studies & books will never be able to tell you what works best for your child.

All I'm saying is that if spanking is such a great way to discipline, why isn't it taught to those who work with parents about their children?
My honest answer is fear of a lawsuit. No one in any leadership capacity is able to even mention the possibility of that now, for fear that someone takes it too far.
I don't want to get too far off-track here, but I think that's why schools dropped corporal punishment...not because of the studies. Studies can show anything you want them to.
However, now some school systems are considering bringing back corporal punishment because there is no real deterrent to misbehaving now. This happened in our area recently...the reason they cited if it doesn't get approved? Fear of lawsuits.
Or.... maybe it's because it's not a very healthy way to parent a child?
IN YOUR OPINION.
If your statement was fact, every doctor in the world would tell you not to spank your kids..and we would make it illegal. Until that happens, just except the fact that some people can feel differently...and its not the end of the world. Nobody wants to convince you to change your mind, and you can have your opinion that your ways are better...all I was saying is don't degrade people who don't agree with you. It makes you look like a "my sh#t doesnt stink" type person, and people dont like that.
I'm guessing you're missing my point.
ETA: And to be honest, setting fires and physically attacking people is not the profile of a psychologically sound child. So, you're life really isn't the best example of how to properly discipline the average child. You should've been seen by a professional and received treatment, not struck.

No..I needed my ass spanked, which it was, and I never did that again.
I didn't need pills, I didn't need a doctor, I didn't need some strange voodoo method of hypnotizing me, and I dont hate my parents now. I'm not a criminal, I have no criminal record, I dont enjoy violence now, and I'm not some gutter trash.
I was a bad ass kid, I got punished because my parents refused to let me grow up that way and made sure I was well adjusted for adulthood, I learned my lesson, and it all turned out fine.
Some acts by children are just acts because they are testing boundaries, want to rebel, and don't want to be told what is right and wrong. Those acts don't always need some crazy ass emotional counseling session...they need punishment, and make them understand its not because you don't love them.

I assure you, if it was an acceptable act in your mind as a child to set fire to your house and then attack a family member and was only deterred by being stuck by your parent, then your parents failed you. I mean that without any snark. It should've never been a thought in your mind to do such a thing and think it's normal.
We would be horrified if my 12 year old dss ever acted that way.
I never said I thought it was normal. As a kid I knew it was wrong to play with the candle, they had told me. I did it anyway because I didnt want to be told what to do..and my uncle wasnt by dad and shouldnt be telling me to go to my room.
I never INTENDED to burn my house down, I intended to show the adults that I wasn't going to listen...kind of like a lot of 10 year old boys do.

What I'm trying to say is that the average child doesn't ever try to set fire to their house. Ever. It's a pretty ingrained thing at that age to know that setting a couch on fire is way wrong socially. To do so because you wanted to send a message and the fact that this wasn't, in your mind, part of a deeper mental issue (fire setting is often times a first sign of anti-social disorder), then it means you were never instilled the value. And then had to be stuck to "learn the lesson" since you claim you never acted that way again. So, it was your parents' failure.

lclark79 · December 2010

OMG this post went from spanking to arson. AMAZING!

Indifferent

nv40 · December 2010

Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
nv40:
mechanicsgirl:
Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
Odd that spanking wasn't taught as a good discipline technique when I was in graduate school. In fact, we were trained how to show parents better methods. Why do you think that is?
Since when do people who attend graduate school, or furthermore, teach in grad school, know more about children than the actual parents of the children?
Again, studies & books will never be able to tell you what works best for your child.

All I'm saying is that if spanking is such a great way to discipline, why isn't it taught to those who work with parents about their children?
My honest answer is fear of a lawsuit. No one in any leadership capacity is able to even mention the possibility of that now, for fear that someone takes it too far.
I don't want to get too far off-track here, but I think that's why schools dropped corporal punishment...not because of the studies. Studies can show anything you want them to.
However, now some school systems are considering bringing back corporal punishment because there is no real deterrent to misbehaving now. This happened in our area recently...the reason they cited if it doesn't get approved? Fear of lawsuits.
Or.... maybe it's because it's not a very healthy way to parent a child?
IN YOUR OPINION.
If your statement was fact, every doctor in the world would tell you not to spank your kids..and we would make it illegal. Until that happens, just except the fact that some people can feel differently...and its not the end of the world. Nobody wants to convince you to change your mind, and you can have your opinion that your ways are better...all I was saying is don't degrade people who don't agree with you. It makes you look like a "my sh#t doesnt stink" type person, and people dont like that.
I'm guessing you're missing my point.
ETA: And to be honest, setting fires and physically attacking people is not the profile of a psychologically sound child. So, you're life really isn't the best example of how to properly discipline the average child. You should've been seen by a professional and received treatment, not struck.

No..I needed my ass spanked, which it was, and I never did that again.
I didn't need pills, I didn't need a doctor, I didn't need some strange voodoo method of hypnotizing me, and I dont hate my parents now. I'm not a criminal, I have no criminal record, I dont enjoy violence now, and I'm not some gutter trash.
I was a bad ass kid, I got punished because my parents refused to let me grow up that way and made sure I was well adjusted for adulthood, I learned my lesson, and it all turned out fine.
Some acts by children are just acts because they are testing boundaries, want to rebel, and don't want to be told what is right and wrong. Those acts don't always need some crazy ass emotional counseling session...they need punishment, and make them understand its not because you don't love them.

I assure you, if it was an acceptable act in your mind as a child to set fire to your house and then attack a family member and was only deterred by being stuck by your parent, then your parents failed you. I mean that without any snark. It should've never been a thought in your mind to do such a thing and think it's normal.
We would be horrified if my 12 year old dss ever acted that way.
I never said I thought it was normal. As a kid I knew it was wrong to play with the candle, they had told me. I did it anyway because I didnt want to be told what to do..and my uncle wasnt by dad and shouldnt be telling me to go to my room.
I never INTENDED to burn my house down, I intended to show the adults that I wasn't going to listen...kind of like a lot of 10 year old boys do.

What I'm trying to say is that the average child doesn't ever try to set fire to their house. Ever. It's a pretty ingrained thing at that age to know that setting a couch on fire is way wrong socially. To do so because you wanted to send a message and the fact that this wasn't, in your mind, part of a deeper mental issue (fire setting is often times a first sign of anti-social disorder), then it means you were never instilled the value. And then had to be stuck to "learn the lesson" since you claim you never acted that way again. So, it was your parents' failure.

I'm done for the day.

But last thing to clarify...i said i played with the candle being a rebel, accidentally lit couch on fire.

Never once did I say I set out to burn the couch, house, etc. Nor did I say I thought it was right at the time. I played with something i was told not to play with because I was 10 and being a jerk, i caused a bad accident. I got spanked, I never did it again...end of story.

TSD · December 2010

nv40:

Until you send your girl outside to push mow the lawn, and take your boy to ballet class, please don't start with that "i'm not in touch with reality because we should all be better than that" crap.

My son is signed up for ballet for the fall. So, goodie, now I feel like my opinion matters most. I win.

ToledoDeux · December 2010

TSD:
nv40:

Until you send your girl outside to push mow the lawn, and take your boy to ballet class, please don't start with that "i'm not in touch with reality because we should all be better than that" crap.

My son is signed up for ballet for the fall. So, goodie, now I feel like my opinion matters most. I win.

Well, then, he's obviously too "sensitive" to spank. lol.

Tomkat8403 · December 2010

Echowysp:
nv40:
mechanicsgirl:
Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:

Odd that spanking wasn't taught as a good discipline technique when I was in graduate school. In fact, we were trained how to show parents better methods. Why do you think that is?

Since when do people who attend graduate school, or furthermore, teach in grad school, know more about children than the actual parents of the children?

Again, studies & books will never be able to tell you what works best for your child.

All I'm saying is that if spanking is such a great way to discipline, why isn't it taught to those who work with parents about their children?

My honest answer is fear of a lawsuit. No one in any leadership capacity is able to even mention the possibility of that now, for fear that someone takes it too far.

I don't want to get too far off-track here, but I think that's why schools dropped corporal punishment...not because of the studies. Studies can show anything you want them to.

However, now some school systems are considering bringing back corporal punishment because there is no real deterrent to misbehaving now. This happened in our area recently...the reason they cited if it doesn't get approved? Fear of lawsuits.

Or.... maybe it's because it's not a very healthy way to parent a child?

IN YOUR OPINION.

If your statement was fact, every doctor in the world would tell you not to spank your kids..and we would make it illegal. Until that happens, just except the fact that some people can feel differently...and its not the end of the world. Nobody wants to convince you to change your mind, and you can have your opinion that your ways are better...all I was saying is don't degrade people who don't agree with you. It makes you look like a "my sh#t doesnt stink" type person, and people dont like that.

I'm guessing you're missing my point.

ETA: And to be honest, setting fires and physically attacking people is not the profile of a psychologically sound child. So, you're life really isn't the best example of how to properly discipline the average child. You should've been seen by a professional and received treatment, not struck.

No..I needed my ass spanked, which it was, and I never did that again.

I didn't need pills, I didn't need a doctor, I didn't need some strange voodoo method of hypnotizing me, and I dont hate my parents now. I'm not a criminal, I have no criminal record, I dont enjoy violence now, and I'm not some gutter trash.

I was a bad ass kid, I got punished because my parents refused to let me grow up that way and made sure I was well adjusted for adulthood, I learned my lesson, and it all turned out fine.

Some acts by children are just acts because they are testing boundaries, want to rebel, and don't want to be told what is right and wrong. Those acts don't always need some crazy ass emotional counseling session...they need punishment, and make them understand its not because you don't love them.

I assure you, if it was an acceptable act in your mind as a child to set fire to your house and then attack a family member and was only deterred by being stuck by your parent, then your parents failed you. I mean that without any snark. It should've never been a thought in your mind to do such a thing and think it's normal.

We would be horrified if my 12 year old dss ever acted that way.

I really just wanted to see what would happen if I quoted this thread one more time.

CalinsBride · December 2010

nv40:
CalinsBride:

Can I just say that I find it utterly disturbing that people would say "Oh, girls don't need to be spanked, but boys do." That honestly just breaks my heart. There are so many things wrong with this that I just don't even know where to start. I just want to cry right now.

Until you send your girl outside to push mow the lawn, and take your boy to ballet class, please don't start with that "i'm not in touch with reality because we should all be better than that" crap.

Every person is different, and there is nothing wrong with treating people differently based on that. I guess you think its wrong that in the animal world males and females perform different roles and get treated differently too?

Myself, I am personally pissed that black widow females eat the males after they mate...i mean seriously, cant we start a movement to get equal mating treatment for these guys. Maybe we can modify black widow schooling so that we can indoctrinate our ideas into them as little widows and they can no longer think for themselves.

EDIT: and can i add that if you read my post, I did not say it so black and white as you put it. I said I'm not sure how I would handle it yet because I am not there, but AS A BOY MYSELF...I can tell you that boys and girls IN GENERAL..are different, think different, and respond different.

What the. . .

DS can take ballet if he wants. There are plenty of male ballet dancers. And I have mowed the lawn, shoveled the driveway, etc. Who do you think did those things when I lived alone before getting married?

And. . .we are not animals, so. . .I just. . .don't even. . .wow. Just wow.

ToledoDeux · December 2010

Tomkat8403:
Echowysp:
nv40:
mechanicsgirl:
Echowysp:
nv40:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:
tigergreen:
Echowysp:

Odd that spanking wasn't taught as a good discipline technique when I was in graduate school. In fact, we were trained how to show parents better methods. Why do you think that is?

Since when do people who attend graduate school, or furthermore, teach in grad school, know more about children than the actual parents of the children?

Again, studies & books will never be able to tell you what works best for your child.

All I'm saying is that if spanking is such a great way to discipline, why isn't it taught to those who work with parents about their children?

My honest answer is fear of a lawsuit. No one in any leadership capacity is able to even mention the possibility of that now, for fear that someone takes it too far.

I don't want to get too far off-track here, but I think that's why schools dropped corporal punishment...not because of the studies. Studies can show anything you want them to.

However, now some school systems are considering bringing back corporal punishment because there is no real deterrent to misbehaving now. This happened in our area recently...the reason they cited if it doesn't get approved? Fear of lawsuits.

Or.... maybe it's because it's not a very healthy way to parent a child?

IN YOUR OPINION.

If your statement was fact, every doctor in the world would tell you not to spank your kids..and we would make it illegal. Until that happens, just except the fact that some people can feel differently...and its not the end of the world. Nobody wants to convince you to change your mind, and you can have your opinion that your ways are better...all I was saying is don't degrade people who don't agree with you. It makes you look like a "my sh#t doesnt stink" type person, and people dont like that.

I'm guessing you're missing my point.

ETA: And to be honest, setting fires and physically attacking people is not the profile of a psychologically sound child. So, you're life really isn't the best example of how to properly discipline the average child. You should've been seen by a professional and received treatment, not struck.

No..I needed my ass spanked, which it was, and I never did that again.

I didn't need pills, I didn't need a doctor, I didn't need some strange voodoo method of hypnotizing me, and I dont hate my parents now. I'm not a criminal, I have no criminal record, I dont enjoy violence now, and I'm not some gutter trash.

I was a bad ass kid, I got punished because my parents refused to let me grow up that way and made sure I was well adjusted for adulthood, I learned my lesson, and it all turned out fine.

Some acts by children are just acts because they are testing boundaries, want to rebel, and don't want to be told what is right and wrong. Those acts don't always need some crazy ass emotional counseling session...they need punishment, and make them understand its not because you don't love them.

I assure you, if it was an acceptable act in your mind as a child to set fire to your house and then attack a family member and was only deterred by being stuck by your parent, then your parents failed you. I mean that without any snark. It should've never been a thought in your mind to do such a thing and think it's normal.

We would be horrified if my 12 year old dss ever acted that way.

I really just wanted to see what would happen if I quoted this thread one more time.

Me, too. Long skinny threads rule!

CalinsBride · December 2010

nv40:

Ivana.Stolichnaya:
Inflicting pain to get a point across to wrong. Justifying it because of a religious belief is insane. There's other methods out there to fix the problem, hitting is a cop-out.

You never had me as a child. I didn't understand anything but painful punishment. even if your methods work for 95% of the kids in the world, dont you think it is a little short sighted to say that MAYBE, just maybe, out of the BILLIONS of kids int he world....5% might not respond to your methods?

But. . .you are the same person who just said that because you are MALE, you know that ALL males will respond to spanking instead of time-outs.

And honestly, time-out isn't the only other method out there. How about making your kid right their wrong? How about making them volunteer all their Saturdays to a no-bullying initiative if they bully another kid? How about making them give their friend one of THEIR toys if they break their friend's toy? How about actually TEACHING THEM right from wrong, rather than just hitting them so that the only thing they learn is that they don't want to get caught?

Honestly, I never say this to people, but you are stupid.

ladysingstheblues · December 2010

TSD:
nv40:

Until you send your girl outside to push mow the lawn, and take your boy to ballet class, please don't start with that "i'm not in touch with reality because we should all be better than that" crap.

My son is signed up for ballet for the fall. So, goodie, now I feel like my opinion matters most. I win.

Bahahahaha! You DO win! The whole bump! teehee Yes

ladysingstheblues · December 2010

nv40:

I'm done for the day.

But last thing to clarify...i said i played with the candle being a rebel, accidentally lit couch on fire.

Never once did I say I set out to burn the couch, house, etc. Nor did I say I thought it was right at the time. I played with something i was told not to play with because I was 10 and being a jerk, i caused a bad accident. I got spanked, I never did it again...end of story.

So if we spank you for playing on the bump and being a jerk, will you learn your lesson and never do it again?

Chrysallys · December 2010

ladysingstheblues:
nv40:

I'm done for the day.

But last thing to clarify...i said i played with the candle being a rebel, accidentally lit couch on fire.

Never once did I say I set out to burn the couch, house, etc. Nor did I say I thought it was right at the time. I played with something i was told not to play with because I was 10 and being a jerk, i caused a bad accident. I got spanked, I never did it again...end of story.

So if we spank you for playing on the bump and being a jerk, will you learn your lesson and never do it again?

LSTB for the win! Seriously, I think you'd have a lot of volunteers.

PDeverit · December 2010

Only suitable for minors?:

Schoolchildrens' "spanking" related injuries (WARNING - These images may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Do not open this page if children are present).
https://www.nospank.net/injuredkids.pdf

Reasonable and moderate? You decide.
(WARNING - This sound recording may be deeply disturbing to some listeners. Do not open this file if children are within listening range).
https://nospank.net/prj-006.wav

People used to think it was necessary to "spank" adult members of the community, college students, military trainees, and prisoners. In some countries they still do. In our country, it is considered sexual battery if a person over the age of 18 is "spanked", but only if over the age of 18.

For one thing, because the buttocks are so close to the anal region, sex organs, and so multiply linked to sexual nerve centers, striking them can trigger powerful and involuntary sexual stimulus in some people. There are numerous physiological ways in which it can be intentionally or unintentionally sexually abusive, but I won't list them all here. One can read the testimony, documentation, and educational resources available from the website of Parents and Teachers Against Violence In Education at www.nospank.net

Child bottom-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:

Child bottom-battering (euphemistically labeled "spanking","swatting","switching","smacking", "paddling",or other cute-sounding names) for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.

Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.

There are several reasons why child bottom-battering isn't a good idea. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:

Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak
https://www.nospank.net/pt2010.pdf

The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson
https://nospank.net/sdsc2.pdf

NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say
by Lesli Taylor MD and Adah Maurer PhD
https://nospank.net/taylor.htm

Just a handful of those helping to raise awareness of why child bottom-battering isn't a good idea:

American Academy of Pediatrics,
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,
American Psychological Association,
Center For Effective Discipline,
Churches' Network For Non-Violence,
Nobel Peace Prize recipient Archbishop Desmond Tutu,
Parenting In Jesus' Footsteps,
Global Initiative To End All Corporal Punishment of Children,
United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child.

In 31 nations, child corporal punishment is prohibited by law (with more in process). In fact, the US was the only UN member that did not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The US also has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

The US states with the highest crime rates and the poorest academic performance are also the ones with the highest rates of child corporal punishment.

There is simply no evidence to suggest that child bottom-battering instills virtue.

Princess_Lily · December 2010

alybookgirl:
Echowysp:
alybookgirl:
Y'all all crack me up! No hard feelings on my end. We disagree. That's okay with me. I'm a Christian and I think that makes me a target for teasing and whatnot. I can handle it. Can we talk about something else now?
You're not being teased. You're having your beliefs challenged in a pretty respectful way.
Oh, is that what TSD did when she told me I was from another planet or when Toledo said that I was a crappy parent for using the Bible as a guide to raise my child? Challenged respectfully?? Because it felt like teasing.

Alybookgirl,

I can only speak for myself when I say that I was not teasing you, but challenging your thought process.

I myself, like many reading and writing in this discussion are Christians Jewish, Muslim, Budist, etc. You need to try to understand, that your need to follow the bible to a "T" although commendable is flawed, because its impossible to do, the only pure person was Jesus, the son of God.

By simply being on the internet your commiting a sin, by not forgiving those who "tease you," your commiting a sin.

I met someone like you, and to be honest, I have no clue who they are, except a recorded word of the bible. Almost every word out of his mouth is a bible verse. Maybe you won't let anyone in to really know who you are because they are afraid they won't like you, so you cover yourself in the Word. To know that everyone (including yourself) is a sinner, and to forgive yourself first...you will enjoy what life has to offer.

alybookgirl · December 2010

Princess_Lily:
alybookgirl:
Echowysp:
alybookgirl:
Y'all all crack me up! No hard feelings on my end. We disagree. That's okay with me. I'm a Christian and I think that makes me a target for teasing and whatnot. I can handle it. Can we talk about something else now?
You're not being teased. You're having your beliefs challenged in a pretty respectful way.
Oh, is that what TSD did when she told me I was from another planet or when Toledo said that I was a crappy parent for using the Bible as a guide to raise my child? Challenged respectfully?? Because it felt like teasing.

Alybookgirl,
I can only speak for myself when I say that I was not teasing you, but challenging your thought process.
I myself, like many reading and writing in this discussion are Christians Jewish, Muslim, Budist, etc. You need to try to understand, that your need to follow the bible to a "T" although commendable is flawed, because its impossible to do, the only pure person was Jesus, the son of God.

By simply being on the internet your commiting a sin, by not forgiving those who "tease you," your commiting a sin.
I met someone like you, and to be honest, I have no clue who they are, except a recorded word of the bible. Almost every word out of his mouth is a bible verse. Maybe you won't let anyone in to really know who you are because they are afraid they won't like you, so you cover yourself in the Word. To know that everyone (including yourself) is a sinner, and to forgive yourself first...you will enjoy what life has to offer.

Dude, I'm not mad at anyone. I'm not holding any grudges against any bumpies. I've been around long enough not to get my feathers too ruffled at what is said 'round these parts! I was simply pointing out that not everyone was respectfully challenging my beliefs. Some were making fun, and that's fine. I can handle it. I never said that I was perfect or not a sinner, sheesh, far from it. But I strive to live in a way that honors God and obeying His Word is a big part of it. Why is being on the internet a sin???

And I don't know what you mean about knowing "people like me?" I'm a Christian who digs in deep into the Word of God and lives it. My family, friends, and church of 10,000 are all the same. So you're saying that we don't know who we are and are hiding behind the Bible? I know exactly who I am in Christ. My eyes are looking to the horizon for His return, THAT'S what I'm living for. Not enjoying what life has to offer.

TSD · December 2010

alybookgirl:
My eyes are looking to the horizon for His return, THAT'S what I'm living for. Not enjoying what life has to offer.

Oh, I certainly was teasing. Or more plain telling you that your whole explanations of all of this sound completely cuckoo to me. But, to ME. I'm WELL aware that there are 10's of thousands of people who *I* think are on the religion cuckoo-train. And when i said "on a different planet", I said "on a different planet from ME". It always comes back to me. But who cares what I think. You've got lots of people on your side. Maybe just not here.

BUT, I will say I thought your eyes were closed and you were praying them open. Now they're looking to the horizon. Which is it?

I *AM* enjoying what life has to offer today. I feel pretty darn lucky to have that mentality.

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