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Circumcision
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Re: Circumcision
for those who want places to do some research, this is one I've seen passed around quite a bit: https://oknocirc.blogspot.com/
Well, I had never heard of places not numbing, but I haven't worked at a lot of other places. I can't imagine them doing it without numbing! I guess this is something to ask if you are going to have it done. I am delivering where I work so that isn't an issue for me. My concern is finding out who the on-call doc is since some don't do as good of a job.
we won't circ if baby is a boy. hubby is not and he has never had a problem with cleanliness, stds or smegma (which i never even knew about til my friend said the word in a different context and then told me the real definition, i have never seen it on my husband since he showers daily)
i think the reason you hear about all these problems in the us is because its not as common so men don't know how to teach their sons how to properly clean themselves and all that. i think if it was more common you wouldn't hear all of this. i think the reason my husband didn't have any of these issues is because he's european and he learned from a young age how to clean his penis.
also as far as the std argument goes... id hope my son is smart enough to wrap it up before sticking it in.
So if someone said a clitoris is a "large skin tag" and it's just trimming extra skin you'd be fine with that too?
We did not b/c we didn't find any medical reason to do so. The social aspect was a bigger concern, but after researching the numbers (DH wanted him circ'd at first b/c he is), we realized it won't be that big of a deal by the time DS is older. So we took the route of less intervention as we do when we feel the medical pros don't outweight the cons.
I really don't care what other people do with their DS, but I would be lying if I said it wasn't frustrating to have so many old myths flying around like truth, you know? I don't like red-headed men either, but I don't call them gross for not dying their hair!
If little bear is a boy, he will be circ'ed. Not because it's any cleaner (it isn't) or healthier, or for any religious reasons, but for purely social reasons.
ETA: took the time to read through everything. We haven't done a ton of research since not circ'ing was never really on our list of possibilities, but it does seem to me that you can google up info to support whichever side you're on.
I don't care if your little boy is cut or uncut, as long as the "omg your little boy will be so DIRTY" and "how could you MUTILATE him?!" crap is kept down. It's a personal decision that people make for a ton of different reasons. Just try to do some decent research, talk to your doctors, and don't believe everything you read on a messageboard.
~EDD Nov 18, 2017 with my IUI success story~
[spoiler]
DS was the day after birth and ended up not getting enough skin removed and had to have it done again at 12 mos. I was devastated about the 2nd time, but DS was perfectly fine each time.
My main reasoning for it was hygiene and infections. You can teach a boy to clean himself all you want, but I'm not taking chances when he is 12-13 to be an expert at cleaning, adolescent boys are gross. The bigger reason behind that is my grandfather had prostate cancer and was uncirc and needed to be circ'd very late in his life b/c of complications from infections that arose from the cancer. We thought we'd just nip it earlier, along with him looking like his dad.
Here's my take on it. I don't care if you circ or not, I'm still undecided.
But DO YOUR RESEARCH. Please. Make a decision based on weighing the pros and cons, just as you would for any other minor medical procedure. Make your decision based on actual facts, not old wife's tales, fears of being teased (in many states, circing is heading to be the minority), myths or just because. Of course, a religious belief is a separate issue.
Over my years on these boards, I've seen so many mothers and fathers decide to circ/not circ without doing any research. Yet, these same parents will spend months researching which car seat, crib or bedding set they should get. Shouldn't your son's medical procedures at least get the same research considerations as his car seat?
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
are you kidding me? i've never heard of a place that DOESN'T numb.
do you have someone that you have watched e circumcised?!
i watched my son's entire procedure. i watched them numb my son. i watched the needle with the medication go into his penis. it was like watching a shot to his crotch.
trust me, he was numb. he was happy as a clam throughout the entire thing. the only time you saw discomfort was after it wore off, at home. and like i said, we gave him tylenol, i nursed him, he fell asleep. he woke up good as new.
i don't know where some people get their information.
I am laughing at this only because I would do something like that... make a three line addendum rather than re-type the original statement. Even though retyping would have been shorter than the addendum! lol
To add my $0.02, both of my sons are circumcised. For one, I don't like the way they look when they aren't, and I don't want my kid to grow up different than his friends when they shower in PE, or whatever. The first time I saw one uncircumcised, I thought there was something wrong with it. So, when my sons were born, I was ready to get them done no questions asked.
Plus, sure you can teach a kid to clean it, but how many toddler's and preschoolers are diligent enough when it comes to hygiene? I have seen lots of kids come in for circ's later because of infections, phimosis, etc... Not worth the hassle. Get it done while they are tiny and it won't effect them much. Not only do they numb it with a shot, some places use Emla cream to numb the place the shot goes. They are fine.
Now, OP... on to the important stuff... Rice and butter?? :-D
They look like weird little anteaters uncut. And your hubby is snipped so qwitcherbitchin. Obviously you chose to marry him with his "mutilated" magic stick, so it can't be that bad.
LMAO!
Awesome description.
BTW to the poster that said circumcision was equivalent to cutting out a clitoris on a female I disagree...I think it would be more like snipping off the hood.
I also don't see why, as an atheist, that religion is any more valid than any of the other reasons in this post since they are all personal beliefs.
i totally forgot to respond to the clitoris post...that had to have been one of the most out there statements of this entire debate...
the clitoris IS a part of our body, it is part of the vagina. it is used, it is there for a reason, it serves a purpose. a little bit of extra skin on the penis is not a body part and serves no purpose and there is no reason for it. comparing the two is completely ridiculous.
someone needs to crack open a biology/anatomy book.
The foreskin is not a skin tag.
and i never said it was, i was JOKING when i said to think of it as such...trying to calm down the hormonal women who are getting their panties in a bunch over this little debate...hence the wink face I made after writing that.
looks like we will all have to agree to disagree. i am not going to sit here and try to convince people what is the right or wrong thing to do with their baby. it is your baby, do what you think is best for your baby and i will do that i feel is best for mine.
for us, it was the healthiest, best choice for our son and for his future health and emotional well being.
and just for kicks... my aunt, who is a pediatrician, read this thread and is laughing at the fact that you guys are comparing the foreskin of a penis to the clitoris.
i think she may know a bit more about anatomy than all of us...considering she spent 7 years of her life studying it and all.
if everything you say is true, then why is it such a common practice to trim the male foreskin, but it is not common practice to do the same to the clitoris?! there's a reason why for women it is called mutilation when some parts of the world do that and why it isn't looked at twice when the man is circumcised.
and if it did serve a sexual and sensory function, i would love to know what that was. since men are able to achieve orgasm perfectly fine without it.
looks like we will have to agree to disagree.
You know that anatomy is a very small portion of med school, right?
I know plenty of pedis who will not circumcise because they realize that the foreskin has valid sexual purposes.
No, I was simply pointing out that she didn't study anatomy for 7 years. There is a heck of a lot more to their curriculum than anatomy.
And really, while I'd side eye any doctor who can't acknowledge the purpose of the foreskin, I'd rather listen to a urologist...since that is their area of expertise. And every urologist I've worked with realizes that the foreskin does indeed have a purpose.
Sigh... while we are all women, and we all appreciate the clitoris for being the magic-button, it is NOT part of the vagina, and it serves one purpose only... pleasure.
Where in the name of all things holy did you learn it's part of the vagina? I mean... really???
You better ask your aunt what she thinks of the fact that you think the clitoris is part of the vagina... you know seeing how she knows so much about anatomy.
You see... the vagina is an internal part, part of the reproductive organs A.K.A. the birth canal. The clitoris sits outside, and sits above not just the vaginal opening, but also above the urethral opening.
So... could you ask Aunt Bea to help us out on that one?
The US has the highest rate of non-religious circumcision of any Western country, so no, outside of the US it is not 'common practice', in fact it is quite the opposite. It is also declining drastically in the US, in some areas it is down to less than 50%.
You clearly feel strongly about this, but your reasoning would never, ever sway me to go for this procedure which is not necessary. Then again I am the one making the decisions about my son, not everyone else, thank God.
regarding the whole clitoris and vagina comment...i think you're being a bit too nit picky. the clitoris is external to the vagina, yes. but in the grand scheme of things, we are all talking about the down south region. just like debating whether the foreskin is part of the actual penile organ.
good lord people, i am going to leave this alone from now on.
it is getting completely ridiculous and immature.
if you want to do it great, if not, that's great too.
to each their own!
You mean you're leaving because you feel dumb since you've proven repeatedly that you don't know what you're talking about? Okay! Bye bye!
lol, not quite, but thanks for playing!
my intention was stopping it now, so it doesn't get any more escalated than it already has. you might enjoy sitting on the computer all day beating a dead horse on topics YOU know nothing about (i think i see you have a daughter?! so you've never gone through a circumcision with a son, correct? you've never had in depth discussions with your pedi about it? correct me if i am wrong...), but i choose to enjoy other topics and conversations from here on out.
Too nit picky??? After your know it all statement about anatomy, courtesy of your aunt, you asked for it. I'm a nurse and I was able to derail you both.
As for your "it's all down south" excuse - - my ass is down south but it's not part of the vagina. So don't try to use that as your excuse. You made a very clear statement about what you believed the clitoris to be, and that it is part of it, has a function, etc. You also said your pedi-aunt was sitting there laughing, but she never corrected your asinine post. Thank her for her help.
You are leaving the post because you feel stupid now. It's a real shame your don't know where your clitoris is, or what it's function is. Tell your husband to do a better job at the foreplay, maybe? Or find it yourself... you'll know it when you find it.
OMG. You know what I just realized? You're absolutely right. You're a MUCH better mother than I am. Would you like custody of my son now? ... or can I get him packed up and shipped off to your house this weekend? Do you want my unborn fetus too? Maybe not if it's a girl ...
FFS get a life and get off your high horse.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
what i was saying was that it would surprise me if someone did not have a son, did extensive research on circumcision for their personal knowledge (why would you?!).
when i found out my son was a boy i spent hours on end going back and forth, doing research online. i spoke with the three pedis in my practice about it. it is something that other than vaccines, took up a lot of my time researching.
someone who doesn't have any kids yet, or has a daughter, i wouldn't think would have put in as many hours into researching the subject (again, why would you?), but yet can come on these boards and flame away as if being an expert on the subject. its annoying.
lol, how old are you?! you act like you're in high school. i pity the man that has to live with you.
Wow- the skin tag comment REALLY threw me. That's is so incredibly SEXIST and disrespectful I can't even believe you said that!!
Is there a part of YOUR genital area you would like to be considered a skin tag?
Here is a VERY graphic page/slideshow depicting the gradual change in appearance of an intact man's erection. This link is NOT safe for work.
Points to consider:
1. A major sexual function of the foreskin is to provide skin to cover the additional size of an erection- while allowing the skin of the penis to remain movable (not taught) this also helps couples avoid dependence on artificial lubricants because female lubrication does not need to compensate for the lack of skin mobility of the circumcised penis. Maybe you have heard someone say something about lubrication- It's not that intact penises are slimy- (they aren't) it's that the skin is a functional buffer in intercourse- Immobilize that and the female wetness is drawn out of the vagina and the rubbing surfaces of both partners can get raw.
2. This man's foreskin does not look like a skin tag to me... it actually looks surprisingly like male sexual anatomy (doh!) - look at the veins in it!!... and tell me you can see a line where his penis skin changes over from being sexy important masculine stuff- into worthless junk. I can't see a place where that happens... it all looks like the same stuff to me! ... HIS penis.
3. Click through all the pictures... at the end his penis looks pretty much like a circumcised penis (without the scar of course) A lot of people say- "They all look the same when they are aroused anyway!" to counter arguments from women who say they like the look of a circumcised penis better. Well, I object to that reasoning- you know why? It's not that a intact penis looks circumcised (therefore it's OK) when it's erect... the way I see it... a circumcised penis looks (stylistically) aroused when it's flaccid. The normal human design is for a penis to have distinct looks for an aroused adult state- and a non-aroused or a sexually immature state. The fact is- infant circumcision strips the natural modest privacy from a male's organ- and imposes a stylistic "look" of arousal onto a little baby that he has to then keep the rest of his life. To me that is a pretty vulgar imposition on a child from an adult. (and deny it all you want- making it look a certain way is the major motivator... just look at the number of posts here by moms of circumcised boys who have no problem with their circumcision other than they don't look circumcised!)
ADULT CONTENT WARNING:
https://secretpenis.com/erection.swf
More circumcised boys get circumcised twice- than intact boys ever need to be circumcised a first time.
Every infant who is circumcised has a mother who has just given birth to him. If women can heal from childbirth, adult men can heal from a necessary circumcision. That is no reason to circumcise all babies because of a few rare cases of men who have problems later in life... and men who would elect to do a radical sexual body mod- certainly have the right to take on the responsibility of that personal adult decision and the ensuing pain.
Speaking of pain- and the nurse who said she didn't know how or why anyone would do it without pain relief- actually the majority of circumcisions are done without pain relief:
Survey published by AAP Journal "Pediatrics" (just text and charts)
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/101/6/e5
Please open the charts- you'll be shocked to learn- (if you choose a OB to do the circumcision) only 25% of circumcising OBs use pain relief of any kind.
God you suck. All I hear is the teacher from Charlie Brown. Wawh wawh wa wa wa WAHHHHHHHHH.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
I take it you're a loud mouth knowitall whose posts are always 3847934572345789425678437562945 x too long and almost ALWAYS written in a condescending tone and slanted to whatever your opinion on the topic is. I can't wait until you have your baby and don't have anymore time to post.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
Whoah. How did you take this as rude to you? You said the same thing, didn't you? That you would make the decisions about your son? That is all I am saying, that I am glad the decisions are left up to us and not someone else. You really read that the wrong way and completely overreacted.