I just want to say...

pixy_stix · March 2010

haleyw458:
Just because he's outside doesn't mean he doesn't get as much attention as your inside dog does. He sleeps outside. We go on a 1-2 hour walk every day to the park, he has shelter in our garage with heat/ac, and gets food and water 3 times a day. So please tell me where he doesn't get as much attention as your dog does just because he sleeps outside.

Again, dogs are pack animals and need to den with their pack. Meaning living inside with their humans. I never understood, "They can get to the garage!" Really, then why not just open one extra door and let them into the house.

mrsjohnson706 · March 2010

haleyw458:
mrsjohnson706:

To the OP, I don't really think your post is funny. I think it's really sad that you are proud of the fact that your dog lives outside. Obviously he/she gets minimal attention, affection, care etc. What kind of example are you setting for your child to learn to be compassionate toward living beings?

Just because he's outside doesn't mean he doesn't get as much attention as your inside dog does. He sleeps outside. We go on a 1-2 hour walk every day to the park, he has shelter in our garage with heat/ac, and gets food and water 3 times a day. So please tell me where he doesn't get as much attention as your dog does just because he sleeps outside.

Do you live outside? I would not be surprised if you said yes...

In any case, why is it enjoyable for you to have a dog that stays outside all the time? What's the point?

mrsjohnson706 · March 2010

K then, I'm going home to walk my dogs. Then they'll come inside and snuggle with me on the couch. Nothing better than snuggly pups curled up on the couch with me and DH on a rainy day.

AggieGrl · March 2010

pixy_stix:
haleyw458:
Oh please. Do you believe every animal should be inside? A cow, horse, mice? They're the same thing! Animals have been conditioned to be outdoors. The only reason we think any differently now is because of people like you who make them to be what they aren't.
Domesticated dogs were bred to be human companions, inside. Logic fail. Give me another.

Some dogs are bred to work, and not be cuddly little human companions. Our ranch dogs prefer to be outside. My border collie, for example, chooses to stay outside, often times in our barn, via a doggy door. You have to call her into the living areas of the house, and she only stays for brief periods of time when there is food or a lot of petting/attention. When its cold, she comes in and sleeps in the laundry room, just inside the door.

Our dogs might be occasional companions, but they are primarily working animals. Try to put these dogs inside, and they will be miserable. They live to work.

SeaStar430 · March 2010

*sigh* Why do there have to be so many idiots that give mothers a bad name.

Dani3679 · March 2010

single parents=bad pet owners.

I've stayed out of most of this, but this statement is a really bad generalization. I am a single mom and a pet owner, but I am definitely not a "bad pet owner." I understand if you guys are just looking for things to do, but lets not make such untrue statements.

haleyw458 · March 2010

AggieGrl:
pixy_stix:
haleyw458:

Oh please. Do you believe every animal should be inside? A cow, horse, mice? They're the same thing! Animals have been conditioned to be outdoors. The only reason we think any differently now is because of people like you who make them to be what they aren't.

Domesticated dogs were bred to be human companions, inside. Logic fail. Give me another.

Some dogs are bred to work, and not be cuddly little human companions. Our ranch dogs prefer to be outside. My border collie, for example, chooses to stay outside, often times in our barn, via a doggy door. You have to call her into the living areas of the house, and she only stays for brief periods of time when there is food or a lot of petting/attention. When its cold, she comes in and sleeps in the laundry room, just inside the door.

Our dogs might be occasional companions, but they are primarily working animals. Try to put these dogs inside, and they will be miserable. They live to work.

Thank you. This was my whole point the entire time. Dogs are used for other reasons other than to be companions.

We have two dogs, one inside and one outside. Our inside one is a shih tzu and our outside one we use for hunting.

LuvMyFurbaby · March 2010

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

pixy_stix · March 2010

AggieGrl:
Our dogs might be occasional companions, but they are primarily working animals. Try to put these dogs inside, and they will be miserable. They live to work.

Uh huh, I'll be sure to tell my friends who have inside border collies, and blue heelers that they're torturing their animals keeping them inside while still working with them and keeping them active.

haleyw458 · March 2010

LuvMyFurbaby:

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

Hello captain obvious! Most dogs don't bite people that they know, meaning they had to have been outside in order to have bitten somebody. Inside dogs don't get much outside time so there's less of a chance. Most dogs that bite aren't trained very well either.

Stephiehun · March 2010

haleyw458:
LuvMyFurbaby:

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

Hello captain obvious! Most dogs don't bite people that they know, meaning they had to have been outside in order to have bitten somebody. Inside dogs don't get much outside time so there's less of a chance. Most dogs that bite aren't trained very well either.

No, you moron. Dogs that live outside are poorly socialized, which is why they bite.

LuvMyFurbaby · March 2010

haleyw458:
LuvMyFurbaby:

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

Hello captain obvious! Most dogs don't bite people that they know, meaning they had to have been outside in order to have bitten somebody. Inside dogs don't get much outside time so there's less of a chance. Most dogs that bite aren't trained very well either.

So, the woman in my city who was killed by her mother's dog? How do you explain away that one?

ETA: You are proof of why I feel that people need to take classes and earn licenses in order to have children, and/or own dogs.

pixy_stix · March 2010

haleyw458:
LuvMyFurbaby:

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

Hello captain obvious! Most dogs don't bite people that they know, meaning they had to have been outside in order to have bitten somebody.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Most dog bites are from family dogs that know the people they are biting. Completely wrong, and to believe so is dangerous.

haleyw458 · March 2010

Stephiehun:
haleyw458:
LuvMyFurbaby:

Hmm, what's the #1 common factor in cases of dog bites?

Oh, that's right. In 95% of cases, dogs lived OUTSIDE, AWAY from the family.

Hello captain obvious! Most dogs don't bite people that they know, meaning they had to have been outside in order to have bitten somebody. Inside dogs don't get much outside time so there's less of a chance. Most dogs that bite aren't trained very well either.

No, you moron. Dogs that live outside are poorly socialized, which is why they bite.

You can't bunch them all together. Yes, a lot of dogs that are outside are because people just leave them out there and don't give them any attention. But, at the same time, a lot are the complete opposite. There are plenty of outside dogs that get a lot more attention than inside ones. Just because they're inside doesn't mean you're interacting with them.

SeaStar430 · March 2010

My hunting dogs live in the house, sleep under the covers, and go through the drive-through to get ice cream. They hunt every weekend and my male is currently ranked the #1 hunting dog of his breed in the country. Saying that working/hunting dogs need to live outside is just a crappy excuse for why you're a terrible pet owner.

mommymanda2010 · March 2010

I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc. Maybe it's just that I grew up on a farm, but dogs are outside pets. I don't hold with putting dogs in purses, or keeping a 70-lb dog that needs fresh air and running space cooped up inside all the time. I'm a regular here and I don't even know if AChase had to move to a smaller space when she and her X split up, so I find it really pathetic that a lurker decided to blab on another board that we had drama just to scare up PETA wannabes. Of course, if she (or any of us) kept the dog inside exclusively, we'd be told that we're abusing and neglecting him because he isn't getting enough fresh air and he has to stay cooped up while we're at work.

Regardless, the point was the irrational and illegal behavior of her X and what it could mean for the safety of AChase and her son, and it's a shame that so many seemingly well-educated women couldn't see that. It's also a testament to how different the lives of single and coupled parents are, because the women with the "perfect" home lives are more worried about the safety of the dog than they are the safety of A and her son.

haleyw458 · March 2010

SeaStar430:
My hunting dogs live in the house, sleep under the covers, and go through the drive-through to get ice cream. They hunt every weekend and my male is currently ranked the #1 hunting dog of his breed in the country. Saying that working/hunting dogs need to live outside is just a crappy excuse for why you're a terrible pet owner.

Having an outside dog doesn't mean I'm a terrible pet owner. He gets plenty of attention and affection from me. I never once said working/hunting dogs need to live outside.

LuvMyFurbaby · March 2010

haleyw458:
SeaStar430:
My hunting dogs live in the house, sleep under the covers, and go through the drive-through to get ice cream. They hunt every weekend and my male is currently ranked the #1 hunting dog of his breed in the country. Saying that working/hunting dogs need to live outside is just a crappy excuse for why you're a terrible pet owner.

Having an outside dog doesn't mean I'm a terrible pet owner. He gets plenty of attention and affection from me. I never once said working/hunting dogs need to live outside.

Um, yeah. Yeah, it does. Re-home the dog, and get a lawn ornament shaped like a dog. I promise, you won't notice a difference, except maybe less poop to clean up.

pixy_stix · March 2010

mommymanda2010:
I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc.

It was addressed in the original thread. I told her to report her dog as stolen property and to pursue a restraining order.

haleyw458 · March 2010

LuvMyFurbaby:
haleyw458:

SeaStar430:
My hunting dogs live in the house, sleep under the covers, and go through the drive-through to get ice cream. They hunt every weekend and my male is currently ranked the #1 hunting dog of his breed in the country. Saying that working/hunting dogs need to live outside is just a crappy excuse for why you're a terrible pet owner.

Having an outside dog doesn't mean I'm a terrible pet owner. He gets plenty of attention and affection from me. I never once said working/hunting dogs need to live outside.

Um, yeah. Yeah, it does. Re-home the dog, and get a lawn ornament shaped like a dog. I promise, you won't notice a difference, except maybe less poop to clean up.

Yes, because the time that I do spend with this dog means nothing. Like I said before, this is a hunting a dog. It's not like he's outside just for the hell of it everyday, all day. He gets plenty of attention.

mommymanda2010 · March 2010

pixy_stix:
mommymanda2010:
I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc.
It was addressed in the original thread. I told her to report her dog as stolen property and to pursue a restraining order.

So is the dog property or a human? Because if the dog comes through the drive thru for ice cream, and sleeps on the sofa, and experiences all the lovely little non-dog-like treats you all give your pets, shouldn't she file a missing persons report instead of a theft report?

MsEmilyAnn · March 2010

AggieGrl:
pixy_stix:
haleyw458:
Oh please. Do you believe every animal should be inside? A cow, horse, mice? They're the same thing! Animals have been conditioned to be outdoors. The only reason we think any differently now is because of people like you who make them to be what they aren't.
Domesticated dogs were bred to be human companions, inside. Logic fail. Give me another.
Some dogs are bred to work, and not be cuddly little human companions. Our ranch dogs prefer to be outside. My border collie, for example, chooses to stay outside, often times in our barn, via a doggy door. You have to call her into the living areas of the house, and she only stays for brief periods of time when there is food or a lot of petting/attention. When its cold, she comes in and sleeps in the laundry room, just inside the door.
Our dogs might be occasional companions, but they are primarily working animals. Try to put these dogs inside, and they will be miserable. They live to work.

This is a completely different situation than OP. Her dog isn't a working dog. It's supposedly a hunting dog. And unless that dog hunts 5 days a week, it's not a "working" dog. It's a dog that hunts on occasion, which is more of a hobby than anything else.

Plus, just because it's a "working" dog, doesn't mean it's okay for it to be outside. All the working dogs I know, live inside with their owners. Maybe the dog "doesn't mind" being outside all the time because that is all it is used to and all it knows.

pixy_stix · March 2010

mommymanda2010:
pixy_stix:
mommymanda2010:
I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc.
It was addressed in the original thread. I told her to report her dog as stolen property and to pursue a restraining order.
So is the dog property or a human? Because if the dog comes through the drive thru for ice cream, and sleeps on the sofa, and experiences all the lovely little non-dog-like treats you all give your pets, shouldn't she file a missing persons report instead of a theft report?

It's funny how the only ones comparing dogs to humans are the ones that can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that dogs should be inside.

Dogs in almost all communities are considered, legally, as property. Your little comment exposes you as a complete idiot.

My dogs are dogs. They're not allowed on the couches unless we let them. They eat dog food and are expected to be well behaved. Just because I don't shuck them outside in a dog house doesn't mean I treat them like humans. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

haleyw458 · March 2010

pixy_stix:
mommymanda2010:
pixy_stix:
mommymanda2010:

I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc.

It was addressed in the original thread. I told her to report her dog as stolen property and to pursue a restraining order.

So is the dog property or a human? Because if the dog comes through the drive thru for ice cream, and sleeps on the sofa, and experiences all the lovely little non-dog-like treats you all give your pets, shouldn't she file a missing persons report instead of a theft report?

It's funny how the only ones comparing dogs to humans are the ones that can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that dogs should be inside.

Dogs in almost all communities are considered, legally, as property. Your little comment exposes you as a complete idiot.

My dogs are dogs. They're not allowed on the couches unless we let them. They eat dog food and are expected to be well behaved. Just because I don't shuck them outside in a dog house doesn't mean I treat them like humans. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

In YOUR opinion dogs should be outside. Not everyone feels this way. Just because you think like this does not mean it is right. We have been through this already.

And what she was saying is that you treat them like you would a human.

ARO1018 · March 2010

mommymanda2010:
I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc.? Maybe it's just that I grew up on a farm, but dogs are outside pets. I don't hold with putting dogs in purses, or keeping a 70-lb dog that needs fresh air and running space cooped up inside all the time. I'm a regular here and I don't even know if AChase had to move to a smaller space when she and her X split up, so I find it really pathetic that a lurker decided to blab on another board that we had drama just to scare up PETA wannabes. Of course, if she (or any of us) kept the dog inside exclusively, we'd be told that we're abusing and neglecting him because he isn't getting enough fresh air and he has to stay cooped up while we're at work.
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Regardless, the point was the irrational and illegal behavior of her X and what it could mean for the safety of AChase and her son, and it's a shame that so many seemingly well-educated women couldn't see that. It's also a testament to how different the lives of single and coupled parents are, because the women with the "perfect" home lives are more worried about the safety of the dog than they are the safety of A and her son.

Of all the ridiculous comments on this post, this one is the most stupid. I was raised by a single mother, and she would have said the same thing these "women with perfect home lives" are saying. Dogs should be inside. She didn't use being a single parent as an excuse to be a moron.

haleyw458 · March 2010

ARO1018:
mommymanda2010:

I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc. Maybe it's just that I grew up on a farm, but dogs are outside pets. I don't hold with putting dogs in purses, or keeping a 70-lb dog that needs fresh air and running space cooped up inside all the time. I'm a regular here and I don't even know if AChase had to move to a smaller space when she and her X split up, so I find it really pathetic that a lurker decided to blab on another board that we had drama just to scare up PETA wannabes. Of course, if she (or any of us) kept the dog inside exclusively, we'd be told that we're abusing and neglecting him because he isn't getting enough fresh air and he has to stay cooped up while we're at work.

Regardless, the point was the irrational and illegal behavior of her X and what it could mean for the safety of AChase and her son, and it's a shame that so many seemingly well-educated women couldn't see that. It's also a testament to how different the lives of single and coupled parents are, because the women with the "perfect" home lives are more worried about the safety of the dog than they are the safety of A and her son.

Of all the ridiculous comments on this post, this one is the most stupid. I was raised by a single mother, and she would have said the same thing these "women with perfect home lives" are saying. Dogs should be inside. She didn't use being a single parent as an excuse to be a moron.

I love the fact that to you, having an outside dog makes people morons. Having an outside dog is wrong in your opinion. Not everyone feels this way, and just because you think it is wrong does not mean that it is. That does not make us terrible pet owners. It's just a different way to see it.

LuvMyFurbaby · March 2010

haleyw458:
ARO1018:
mommymanda2010:

I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc. Maybe it's just that I grew up on a farm, but dogs are outside pets. I don't hold with putting dogs in purses, or keeping a 70-lb dog that needs fresh air and running space cooped up inside all the time. I'm a regular here and I don't even know if AChase had to move to a smaller space when she and her X split up, so I find it really pathetic that a lurker decided to blab on another board that we had drama just to scare up PETA wannabes. Of course, if she (or any of us) kept the dog inside exclusively, we'd be told that we're abusing and neglecting him because he isn't getting enough fresh air and he has to stay cooped up while we're at work.

Regardless, the point was the irrational and illegal behavior of her X and what it could mean for the safety of AChase and her son, and it's a shame that so many seemingly well-educated women couldn't see that. It's also a testament to how different the lives of single and coupled parents are, because the women with the "perfect" home lives are more worried about the safety of the dog than they are the safety of A and her son.

Of all the ridiculous comments on this post, this one is the most stupid. I was raised by a single mother, and she would have said the same thing these "women with perfect home lives" are saying. Dogs should be inside. She didn't use being a single parent as an excuse to be a moron.

I love the fact that to you, having an outside dog makes people morons. Having an outside dog is wrong in your opinion. Not everyone feels this way, and just because you think it is wrong does not mean that it is. That does not make us terrible pet owners. It's just a different way to see it.

So, all the dog experts who recommend keeping dogs inside, for both behavioral and safety reasons, are wrong, too?

rumdrinx · March 2010

LuvMyFurbaby:

So, all the dog experts who recommend keeping dogs inside, for both behavioral and safety reasons, are wrong, too?

oh great, so now you have your dog police hat on , ridding the world of idiots. funny, coming from you.

this board is chock of of people who make bad decisions constantly and the people here support them. I hardly think that carrying the torch to burn one woman at the stake after her husband took the dog is really worth your precious energy.

ladyaylena · March 2010

rumdrinx:
LuvMyFurbaby:

So, all the dog experts who recommend keeping dogs inside, for both behavioral and safety reasons, are wrong, too?
oh great, so now you have your dog police hat on , ridding the world of idiots. funny, coming from you.
this board is chock of of people who make bad decisions constantly and the people here support them. I hardly think that carrying the torch to burn one woman at the stake after her husband took the dog is really worth your precious energy.

wow.... are you a saint or something? I'm hoping you are so you can help save my soul and steer me clear of my heinous ways.

That was just a douchey thing to say...

haleyw458 · March 2010

LuvMyFurbaby:
haleyw458:
ARO1018:
mommymanda2010:

I think my favorite part is that everyone completely missed how the crazy addict X is trespassing, stealing, etc. Maybe it's just that I grew up on a farm, but dogs are outside pets. I don't hold with putting dogs in purses, or keeping a 70-lb dog that needs fresh air and running space cooped up inside all the time. I'm a regular here and I don't even know if AChase had to move to a smaller space when she and her X split up, so I find it really pathetic that a lurker decided to blab on another board that we had drama just to scare up PETA wannabes. Of course, if she (or any of us) kept the dog inside exclusively, we'd be told that we're abusing and neglecting him because he isn't getting enough fresh air and he has to stay cooped up while we're at work.

Regardless, the point was the irrational and illegal behavior of her X and what it could mean for the safety of AChase and her son, and it's a shame that so many seemingly well-educated women couldn't see that. It's also a testament to how different the lives of single and coupled parents are, because the women with the "perfect" home lives are more worried about the safety of the dog than they are the safety of A and her son.

Of all the ridiculous comments on this post, this one is the most stupid. I was raised by a single mother, and she would have said the same thing these "women with perfect home lives" are saying. Dogs should be inside. She didn't use being a single parent as an excuse to be a moron.

I love the fact that to you, having an outside dog makes people morons. Having an outside dog is wrong in your opinion. Not everyone feels this way, and just because you think it is wrong does not mean that it is. That does not make us terrible pet owners. It's just a different way to see it.

So, all the dog experts who recommend keeping dogs inside, for both behavioral and safety reasons, are wrong, too?

Not once did I ever say it was wrong. And yes, I'm sure if you looked you would find plenty of experts that don't see anything wrong with it.

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