For those that are choosing not to vaccinate AT ALL....

Aliliv · October 2009

Another thing to consider: The type of mercury in vaccines is NOT the type of mercury associated with health problems. Reason being: methylmerucry (health problem mercury) builds up in our bodies and causing problems. Ethylmercury (thimerosol) does not build up and actually is disposed of from our bodies at a much faster rate, thus making the instance of health problems even more less likely. Furthermore, there is literally more mercury in a tuna sandwhich than in a shot.

For whatever reason you decide not to do certain vaccinations, don't make mercury one of them.

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/thiomersal/statement_jul2006/en/index.html

I think we need a Vaccine Myth Busting board.....

bridgeybride · October 2009

Ditto! - Your child will never be able to travel anywhere else in the world... b/c he/she will be sure to catch mumps/measels or rubella... rampant in other places.. and easily picked up...

ClaireBennett · October 2009

On the tangent about Autism and vaccines- the book Autism's False Prophets is very good. It covers the one study done that linked vaccines (particularly MMR) to autism and why it wasn't reliable. I recommend it, because I know I was afraid of the vaccines too (lots of media attention to it with little information), but researching it made me feel much better. GL with your decision.

Temp785382312506150 · October 2009

Mrs.tlcS:

This is a trainwreck.

There is so much bad information in this thread, I cannot even begin...

Good.Effing.Grief.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not even going to bother typing out an intelligent response to any of the replies - it's not worth it.

FLVintageBride · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
mom2binKC:
ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:
Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

Again, no reputable studies showing a link between autism and any vaccines. (Jenny McCarthy's personal crusade does not count as a research study.)

I have never read "Jenny's" book...But I worked in this field for years. I'm not arguing with you about this though, I know that when people think they are right, there's nothing you can say. So continue to believe what you do and I'll continue to believe the truth

I think she's just saying that working with autistic children doesn't automatically qualify one as an expert on the causes of autism. As a matter of fact, you'd probably be pretty darn famous if you had data that conclusively demonstrated any link between the two. That's not meant to be an insult on your work, I'm sure you have really helped those kids and their families, but I don't see how your experience is anymore of an opinion than anyone elses. Unless you have worked on scientific studies that we haven't read.

norunawaybride · October 2009

frustrated and ttc:

norunawaybride:
Choosing not to vaccinnate is irresponsible because you're putting your child and the rest of the population at risk. Instead of not vaccinating, you can choose to selectively vaccinate, which is much better than not vaccinating at all. I suggest reading Dr. Sears' book: The Vaccine Book. I just finished it, and it is a wealth of information! The book will describe in great detail all the vaccines that are recommended, side effects, fatality, etc.

This is what I've been reading and it's what got me thinking. It's a great book with lots of information. I'm leaning toward this then not vaccinating my twins at all. I'd rather have information that is backed up with data then peoples opinions on the matter, but I still wouldn't judge someone for what they choose to do with their children(not saying you did, but as you can see many have)

Maybe you can check out the journals listed in the resource section that is in the back of the book. There are a lot listed, and I'm sure you can get more concrete data and info than what you are finding here! Stick out tongue

StephNJer · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
mom2binKC:
ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:
Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

Again, no reputable studies showing a link between autism and any vaccines. (Jenny McCarthy's personal crusade does not count as a research study.)

I have never read "Jenny's" book...But I worked in this field for years. I'm not arguing with you about this though, I know that when people think they are right, there's nothing you can say. So continue to believe what you do and I'll continue to believe the truth

Confused

mom2binKC · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
mom2binKC:
ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:
Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

Again, no reputable studies showing a link between autism and any vaccines. (Jenny McCarthy's personal crusade does not count as a research study.)

I have never read "Jenny's" book...But I worked in this field for years. I'm not arguing with you about this though, I know that when people think they are right, there's nothing you can say. So continue to believe what you do and I'll continue to believe the truth

I also work in this field, so I guess in your mind that would qualify me as just as much an "expert" as you. But I don't claim that my experiences make me an expert. I'm just saying there are no research studies, which is the truth. I'm not sure what other "truth" you're referring to.

StephNJer · October 2009

mom2binKC:
ilovemyprince:
mom2binKC:
ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:
Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

Again, no reputable studies showing a link between autism and any vaccines. (Jenny McCarthy's personal crusade does not count as a research study.)

I have never read "Jenny's" book...But I worked in this field for years. I'm not arguing with you about this though, I know that when people think they are right, there's nothing you can say. So continue to believe what you do and I'll continue to believe the truth

I also work in this field, so I guess in your mind that would qualify me as just as much an "expert" as you. But I don't claim that my experiences make me an expert. I'm just saying there are no research studies, which is the truth. I'm not sure what other "truth" you're referring to.

I thought the same thing. Her post was one of the most smug and obnoxious things I've read on here recently.

tnpjuly04 · October 2009

mom2binKC:
Let me be the first to say that I wholeheartedly judge those who do not vaccinate their children. They are putting everyone else at risk and relying on "herd protection" to keep their children safe. Vaccines are a good thing. Polio is not.

Yes

ToledoDeux · October 2009

YaraC:
MamaKct:
Do you think that homeschooling is a requirement when you don't vaccinate,
Most school systems require vaccinations so home schooling or private schooling is kind of a requirement.

Reason not to vaccinate:
You enjoy watching your child suffer from preventable diseases.

Yes

realisticdreams · October 2009

The pedi we chose is pro-vaccine but they are willing to space them out and not give them all at once, which is what we will probably end up doing.

Vaccines are scary to me, in general.

However, in relation to the autism, my cousins' husband's little sister was a happy, healthy normal 2 year old. She had developed normally and met all of her milestones on time. She had a vaccine (not 100% sure which, they don't talk about it) and she became pretty much autistic. She never developed new skills after that...and she regressed.

Aliliv · October 2009

realisticdreams:

The pedi we chose is pro-vaccine but they are willing to space them out and not give them all at once, which is what we will probably end up doing.

Vaccines are scary to me, in general.

However, in relation to the autism, my cousins' husband's little sister was a happy, healthy normal 2 year old. She had developed normally and met all of her milestones on time. She had a vaccine (not 100% sure which, they don't talk about it) and she became pretty much autistic. She never developed new skills after that...and she regressed.

Did it happen the same day? These anecdotal stories mean nothing in the way of autism and vaccine link, because autism (with or without vaccines) is often diagnosed around that age.

ToledoDeux · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:

Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

You "learned" nonsense.

Lariah14 · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:

Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

So you must not be aware then that ALL children's vaccines are thimerosal (ethylmercury)-free (ex. flu, which IS available preservative-free in limited quanities) and have been since 2001? The Hib vaccine does not have ETHYL or METHYL mercury. in it. Also, you must have missed the newsflash that autism rates are still increasing despite the fact that thimerosal hasn't been present in pediatric vaccines since 2001? Also- did you know that there's a difference between ethylmercury (in some ped. flu vaccines and in some adult vaccines) and methylmercury? If you refuse to drink methanol (because it is severely toxic to humans) do you refuse to drink ethanol (drinking alcohol) because they sound/look the same? Please, educate yourself.

I'm not saying there is zero-risk for vaccines- but please take a look at the infection and mortality rates from 1901 vs. 2003 vs. today and how vaccines have significantly reduced childhood mortality, disability, and disfigurement. (CDC Pink Book) To the poster whose sister was never vaccinated and was never sick- good for her- she relied on herd immunity from everyone around her who was vaccinated. Today, there's a major resurgence in diseases that were previously considered "eradicated" from the US b/c of vaccination- pertussis and measles especially. If you think these are mild/not life-threatening, please go read a medical textbook and go to a third-world country to see what these diseases do to less fortunate children who do not have the resources for widespread vaccination.

I don't judge people for making educated choices. I judge people who make UNeducated choices.

StephNJer · October 2009

Aliliv:
realisticdreams:

The pedi we chose is pro-vaccine but they are willing to space them out and not give them all at once, which is what we will probably end up doing.

Vaccines are scary to me, in general.

However, in relation to the autism, my cousins' husband's little sister was a happy, healthy normal 2 year old. She had developed normally and met all of her milestones on time. She had a vaccine (not 100% sure which, they don't talk about it) and she became pretty much autistic. She never developed new skills after that...and she regressed.

Did it happen the same day? These anecdotal stories mean nothing in the way of autism and vaccine link, because autism (with or without vaccines) is often diagnosed around that age.

Ditto. I'm sorry, but Autism is generally diagnosed around this age. I think people in these situations are so overwhelmed with an Autism diagnosis, that they have to look for something to blame (in this case, vaccines).

realisticdreams · October 2009

StephNJer:
Aliliv:
realisticdreams:

The pedi we chose is pro-vaccine but they are willing to space them out and not give them all at once, which is what we will probably end up doing.

Vaccines are scary to me, in general.

However, in relation to the autism, my cousins' husband's little sister was a happy, healthy normal 2 year old. She had developed normally and met all of her milestones on time. She had a vaccine (not 100% sure which, they don't talk about it) and she became pretty much autistic. She never developed new skills after that...and she regressed.

Did it happen the same day? These anecdotal stories mean nothing in the way of autism and vaccine link, because autism (with or without vaccines) is often diagnosed around that age.

Ditto. I'm sorry, but Autism is generally diagnosed around this age. I think people in these situations are so overwhelmed with an Autism diagnosis, that they have to look for something to blame (in this case, vaccines).

From what I know (which is all second hand, honestly I feel better NOT thinking their is al link) she became very listless within hours after the vaccine and was taken back to the doctor and sent to the hospital and she was just never the same again.

Alyssajoy87 · October 2009

mom2binKC:
MamaKct:

biochemgirl:
For those that are choosing not to vaccinate AT ALL....I hope you are not plannign to enroll your kids in daycare, take them to playgroups, places like gymboree, music and me, etc. Not looking to argue but that's how I feel about this topic.

As long as you choose to vaccinate then your children would be protected anyway. Do you think that homeschooling is a requirement when you don't vaccinate, because it's not and eventually all the kids will be playing together. I am pro-vaccine for the simple reason so many others choose not to for whatever reasons they might have.

This is not entirely true. Unvaccinated children can develop slightly altered disease strains and expose vaccinated children to risk. And there are rare instances where the vaccines don't work. So your child is best protected when he/she is vaccinated and surrounded by other vaccinated people.

Finally, someone who actually has their facts straight! Thank you for pointing this out- I was just about to!

And for those of you planning not to vaccinate your babies because of the thimerosol/mercury, you seriously need to do more research:

Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts. -CDC Website

When I first got pregnant, I looked into the decision as to whether or not to vaccinate and decided that it is best not only for my child but for everyone else as well to make sure that these preventable diseases do not return. HERD IMMUNITY people.

darlawoods · October 2009

This is highly controversial. I feel that you need to educate yourself on each vaccination given to children and evaluate what you feel works. We will not be getting certain ones due to the mercury level. We haven't made a solid decision on others but we have Dr. Sears Vaccine book (just received it) and will be weighing out which ones.

I do feel you need to be extra cautious with whichever route you do take, but that's my personal opinion.

Be prepared to be rejected or frowned upon in either situation by someone.

Also be ready to get some vaccinations because of school/daycare regulations.

I hope you make a decision that is right for you and your little one.

Again education is key in any situation

Good luck

Tinkx123x · October 2009

i would suggest selective vaccinating instead of NOT vaccinating at all. I don't want YOUR kid infecting MY kid just because you didn't protect yours and I did (and then your kid developed some abnormal form of a disease)

biochemgirl · October 2009

MamaKct:

biochemgirl:
For those that are choosing not to vaccinate AT ALL....I hope you are not plannign to enroll your kids in daycare, take them to playgroups, places like gymboree, music and me, etc. Not looking to argue but that's how I feel about this topic.

As long as you choose to vaccinate then your children would be protected anyway. Do you think that homeschooling is a requirement when you don't vaccinate, because it's not and eventually all the kids will be playing together. I am pro-vaccine for the simple reason so many others choose not to for whatever reasons they might have.

Not true.

Aliliv · October 2009

d2woods:

This is highly controversial. I feel that you need to educate yourself on each vaccination given to children and evaluate what you feel works. We will not be getting certain ones due to the mercury level. We haven't made a solid decision on others but we have Dr. Sears Vaccine book (just received it) and will be weighing out which ones.

I do feel you need to be extra cautious with whichever route you do take, but that's my personal opinion.

Be prepared to be rejected or frowned upon in either situation by someone.

Also be ready to get some vaccinations because of school/daycare regulations.

I hope you make a decision that is right for you and your little one.

Again education is key in any situation

Good luck

I totally agree that you need to educate yourself. And, I suggest you do a little more research about mercury.

heyitsme · October 2009

I've seen others recommend Dr. Sears' Vaccine book, and it is a great one when it comes to learning about vaccinations and selectively vaccinating (which we do), but I also wanted to recommend Stephanie Cave's book. The title is a bit of a turnoff to many, but it has a whole host of excellent information about vaccinations, what they contain, when a child would require them, etc. I found that reading this AND Dr. Sears' book gave me the best information to decide what I felt was right for my child.

Hope that helps!

CBL · October 2009

ilovemyprince:
norunawaybride:
ilovemyprince:

Ok (flame away) I do plan on Vaccinating my LO, but there are certain shots he will NOT be getting, due to the mercury in them. I did the same thing for my 5 year old son and there's no changing my mind on this. But I don't judge anyone for what they plan to do with THEIR babies

This! Thank goodness that there are only two types of vaccines that use mercury that my child will not be getting: one type of the HIB vaccine and flu shots.

Yesss!! Me to, I totally agree with you. I worked with kids with autism and I learned a lot about the mercury and the dangers of it. But it's also very important to get the other vaccines! Glad we're on the same page

Oh good god, are you serious?? There was ONE, yes ONE study that showed a correlation. The sample size was TWELVE children and since then, the study has been discredited.

Angelzkisses · October 2009

Get the Vaccine Book by Dr. Robert Sears. It's not pro it's not con when it comes to vaccines. It gives you the straight out facts about the vaccines, and helps you decide for yourself.

Chuppathingy · October 2009

We are not vaccinating "at all" contingent on allergy testing. I have an allergic reaction to eggs, as well as a variety of other foods and have been to the ER 12 times in the last 10 years due to anaphylaxic shock. This is despite ALWAYS having an epi-pen on me. We can not have the LO tested for food allergies until at least 6 months. Hopefully he/she won't have them, but it is very possible according to the pediatric allergist we consulted.

ETA: Just to clarify, I WILL vaccinate my baby provided he/she tests negative for the relevant food allergies. I am really against people who don't vaccinate for not medical or personal religious reasons. If my baby does have my allergies, it would be very dangerous to vaccinate him or her, and potentially fatal. So in that scenario, I would basically be counting on herd immunity and that everyone who can be is vaccinated, to protect my child.

I don't think the OP should be considering the beliefs of her in laws here.

nightingayle · November 2009

Oh honey...this turned into a disaster! I haven't been on here in a long time because it's always so negative, but I saw the vaccine topic and decided to see what little percentage of people actually decided to give you an answer. Sadly, not many.

I'm choosing not to vaccinate. It's an informed decision between myself, my partner, family, midwives and God. I read everyday and try to stay educated, but the conclusion I continue to come to is that, there is no solid answer for anything, and no way to fathom the human body and it's reaction to anything. It is a creation that is beyond anyone's comprehension: including scientists, CDC professionals, and experienced mothers, and I just personally refuse to challenge it.

So, to answer your question, my main reason for not vaccinating is because of my personal beliefs, based on my upbringing and ongoing studies. The women in my family have homebirthed, minimally vaccinated, maintained their health by seeing a chiropractor, preparing healthy foods and, providing consistent teachings in nutrition and personal hygiene, along with practicing homeopathic medicine and strong Faith.

I'm no wise woman, but the one's I know that have dealt with the judgements and comments, just as we are today, have always reminded me..."whether you decide to vaccinate or not, you are taking a risk. You need to be prepared for the consequences, no matter what you choose. Miracles happen everyday, and just because something is consistent does not mean it cannot be changed. The sick can be healed and the healthy can become sick. Forces beyond our comprehension are what drive this world, and we have virtually no control, no matter what we do."

I belong to a support group that helps families make informed choices by providing information, exemption wavers for school/daycare/even employment, and further readings to keep you current. My decision could change, but for now, I'm not convinced that one way is any better than the other...not even "my way".

Congratulations, and good luck! I'm due the same week you are so I look forward to seeing pics of your little one

Big hug, and keep doing your reasearch!!

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