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Want to hear something horribly racist?

My BF and I were chatting today and talking about another couple we know.  They have been TTC for over 4 years now and have spent the last year going through the steps to do the foster-to-adoption thing.  I asked her how long it will take for them to get a child and she said they have had opportunities, but it is going to take longer because they only want white babies.  Sad

I guess their reasoning is that they have some racist extended family members that they know would give the children a hard time.  But I think deep down they just want the kids to look like them (I shouldn't even say that because it's just specualtion and judgement on my part).

DH's cousin is fostering three black children right now and is planning on adopting them if everything falls through with the mother. 

I guess I don't see what their big deal is unless you are trying to pass the kids off as your own biological kids.  That's sad that they have had the opportunity to foster children and have turned them down because they weren't the right race.

Thoughts?

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Re: Want to hear something horribly racist?

  • thoughts?  yes, that's pretty fvcking racist.
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  • That is really too bad!
  • That's sad. There are so many children out there who need loving homes.
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  • This is one of the only things you've ever said that I agree with you on. lol.

    It is really sad.  All babies need loving homes and families.  And the "extended family" thing is a crock and an excuse, IMHO.

  • That's sad.

    The excuse about the extended family members giving the kids a hard time is kind of weak, IMO. If you have family members that would do something like that to a child, would you really want them around your kid anyway, regardless of their race/color? Having family members of a different race could actually give those racist family members some perspective.

  • That isn't an abnormal request for adoptions. I think its natural for people to want to avoid as many questions or judgements as possible for their family.
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  • For some, adoption is a selfless act - for some, it's to fill a void of needing a family to care for. I may sound ODD, but it's their family to build. And if they're willing to wait and jump through hurdles to get them - then who cares?
  • htomeohtomeo member
    It is extremely disturbing that their love is limited by the color of skin. Perhaps they should not be fostering at all.
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  • I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

  • JAWMINJAWMIN member
    That is sad. Especially because they are going the foster care route. Those children need homes regardless. They could at least be their foster parents and not adopt... but then they'd fall in love (if not I would judge them).  

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  • I am going to play the devil's advocate here.  Would people still get up in arms about the racism issue if they were black parents only wanting black babies and having passed the opportunity to adopt white ones?

     

  • That is really just sad. They can raise any baby like their own doesn't matter what race they are. The baby may not look like them but they will have the same values as them.
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  • imagekipper1128:
    For some, adoption is a selfless act - for some, it's to fill a void of needing a family to care for. I may sound ODD, but it's their family to build. And if they're willing to wait and jump through hurdles to get them - then who cares?

    I guess they don't want a child that badly.  This just sort of changed how I look at these people.

  • Follow up.

    PLUS - think of all the dumb questions we're asked about our own kids.  I would imagine it's 10 times worse if you have a child that clearly appears to be adopted.  People feel like everything is their business - what happened to the mother?  Where are they from?  How long have you had them?

    I don't fault them for wanting to avoid some of the discomfort that may come from that - chances are, because they ARE adopting, they'll have enough questions and obstacles to cross.

  • imageMike_Hunt:

    I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

    This woman is in my small group at church.  We have spent countless hours praying for them - all they want is a child to love.

    It seems like God is giving them opportunities to love a child......

  • I've had this same convo with my BFF too. Her SIL and BIL are adopting as well and paying a large sum of money to get a child that "looks like them". I don't think its a race thing for them. I think for some reason they are ashamed to have IF issues (which I know is their reason for adoption). If I were to adopt, I'd want A BABY. Any baby.
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  • imageMrsJuneHawk:

    I am going to play the devil's advocate here.  Would people still get up in arms about the racism issue if they were black parents only wanting black babies and having passed the opportunity to adopt white ones?

     

    I would.

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  • imageMrsJuneHawk:

    I am going to play the devil's advocate here.  Would people still get up in arms about the racism issue if they were black parents only wanting black babies and having passed the opportunity to adopt white ones?

     

    Yes I would.

  • imageadamwife:

    imagekipper1128:
    For some, adoption is a selfless act - for some, it's to fill a void of needing a family to care for. I may sound ODD, but it's their family to build. And if they're willing to wait and jump through hurdles to get them - then who cares?

    I guess they don't want a child that badly.  This just sort of changed how I look at these people.

    I disagree - I think if they're willing to go through the screenings, time and money for adoption, that shows some interest and investment in wanting a baby.  You were fortunate to have your own kids.  YOUR OWN.  Don't be too quick to judge the intensions of others, especially when it comes to a topic and reality that you will most likely never face.

  • imageadamwife:

    imagekipper1128:
    For some, adoption is a selfless act - for some, it's to fill a void of needing a family to care for. I may sound ODD, but it's their family to build. And if they're willing to wait and jump through hurdles to get them - then who cares?

    I guess they don't want a child that badly.  This just sort of changed how I look at these people.

    This is total bs coming from someone who can obviously gestate her own children. You have no idea of the thought processes of these people, as you have clearly not put yourself in their shoes.

    If all you wanted was a baby to love, why didn't you adopt one of the thousands already available and homeless?

    Oh right, because you wanted a baby that looked like you, and was an infant. Why do YOU have the right to those ideals and an adoptive parent does not? Because you won the biologic ability lottery? I don't think so.

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  • imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:

    I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

    This woman is in my small group at church.  We have spent countless hours praying for them - all they want is a child to love.

    It seems like God is giving them opportunities to love a child......

     

    I didn't realize you knew the will of the Almighty.  Judgemental much?

  • imageStellasmom:
    That isn't an abnormal request for adoptions. I think its natural for people to want to avoid as many questions or judgements as possible for their family.

    Confused

  • Children who happen to be adopted are their parent's own.  Not biologically related to them, but still very much their own.
  • I probably wouldn't judge someone for this. My DH and I would love to adopt children one day and don't care what they look like, but I can see why someone would care- especially if their reasons for adopting is because they are unable to have biological children. I think it's a different mind set than if you are adopting simply because you want to add to your family and make life better for a child.
  • imageMike_Hunt:
    imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:

    I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

    This woman is in my small group at church.  We have spent countless hours praying for them - all they want is a child to love.

    It seems like God is giving them opportunities to love a child......

     

    I didn't realize you knew the will of the Almighty.  Judgemental much?

    I don't know the will - which is why I said it SEEMS.  Confused

  • imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:
    imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:

    I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

    This woman is in my small group at church.  We have spent countless hours praying for them - all they want is a child to love.

    It seems like God is giving them opportunities to love a child......

     

    I didn't realize you knew the will of the Almighty.  Judgemental much?

    I don't know the will - which is why I said it SEEMS.  Confused

     

    you pontificate about the most absurd things.  Judgemental gasbag. 

  • We have close friends of our that are going through the adoption process. The agency that evaluated them said they should only adopt children within their race.
  • imageMike_Hunt:
    imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:
    imageadamwife:
    imageMike_Hunt:

    I think you all don't know too much about adoption.  There are plenty of people both black and white against transracial adoption.  It doesn't make them racist.

     

    There are plenty of issues that go along with adoption.  Some people could be infertile and embarrassed or upset by that.  Adopting a child of the same ethnicity would cut down on the the "oh, where did you adopt that kid from?" questions from strangers.   They wouldn't necessarily be passing the children off as biological, rather just not making it  as obvious as some adoptive families are.

    There are many issues regarding adoption and to peg someone as racist from one sentiment in one conversation is oversimplifying and ignorant.

    This woman is in my small group at church.  We have spent countless hours praying for them - all they want is a child to love.

    It seems like God is giving them opportunities to love a child......

     

    I didn't realize you knew the will of the Almighty.  Judgemental much?

    I don't know the will - which is why I said it SEEMS.  Confused

     

    you pontificate about the most absurd things.  Judgemental gasbag. 

    Sooooooo funny you said this.  I had 2 bean burritos for lunch and have been farting up a storm.  How did you know I was gassy?

    Also, I prefaced this by saying it was judgemental - so oh well.....

  • imageStellasmom:

    Oh right, because you wanted a baby that looked like you, and was an infant. Why do YOU have the right to those ideals and an adoptive parent does not? Because you won the biologic ability lottery? I don't think so.

    That wasn't my thought process behind having a baby. Was it yours?

  • imagejenerally:
    imageStellasmom:

    Oh right, because you wanted a baby that looked like you, and was an infant. Why do YOU have the right to those ideals and an adoptive parent does not? Because you won the biologic ability lottery? I don't think so.

    That wasn't my thought process behind having a baby. Was it yours?

    Yes, i'm sure your "lets have a baby!" decision tree was chock full of selfless reasons. Confused

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  • imageStellasmom:
    imagejenerally:
    imageStellasmom:

    Oh right, because you wanted a baby that looked like you, and was an infant. Why do YOU have the right to those ideals and an adoptive parent does not? Because you won the biologic ability lottery? I don't think so.

    That wasn't my thought process behind having a baby. Was it yours?

    Yes, i'm sure your "lets have a baby!" decision tree was chock full of selfless reasons. Confused

    Mine was to overpopulate the Earth with more judgemental gasbags like meeeeeeeeeee Devil

  • cheers to stellas, june, and mike_hunt.

     

  • imagekipper1128:
    imageadamwife:

    imagekipper1128:
    For some, adoption is a selfless act - for some, it's to fill a void of needing a family to care for. I may sound ODD, but it's their family to build. And if they're willing to wait and jump through hurdles to get them - then who cares?

    I guess they don't want a child that badly.  This just sort of changed how I look at these people.

    I disagree - I think if they're willing to go through the screenings, time and money for adoption, that shows some interest and investment in wanting a baby.  You were fortunate to have your own kids.  YOUR OWN.  Don't be too quick to judge the intensions of others, especially when it comes to a topic and reality that you will most likely never face.

    Ditto.  This post is really irritatingly presumptuous and self-righteous.

  • imageCEO1197:

    cheers to stellas, june, and mike_hunt.

     

    Yeah, I don't find this couple's request strange or racist.

  • That is very racists. I have a problem, though, with people who foster with the sole intention of adopting because I have seen first hand how it affects who those people will accept into their home. I see no problem adopting a child if it comes to it, but foster care is about caring for a child and helping a broken family heal (if possible).

    My mom and dad have done foster care for nearly 10 years and have cared for children of all races. They have adopted 4 and are a guardian of 1. 4 of the 5 are Alaskan Native. Race never played a part in how much love they were willing to pour out on the children in their home. When they are living there (whether permentantly or not), they are all family.  That is the way it should be. 

     

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  • imagemooregatemommy:
    We have close friends of our that are going through the adoption process. The agency that evaluated them said they should only adopt children within their race.

    I have heard this too.  Some agencies don't believe that white parents are prepared to instill an African American baby with the historical and cultural lessons they will need while growing up "different" from their parents.

    I don't agree with this; but I have known social workers who feel very strongly this way. 

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  • imageStellasmom:
    imagejenerally:
    imageStellasmom:

    Oh right, because you wanted a baby that looked like you, and was an infant. Why do YOU have the right to those ideals and an adoptive parent does not? Because you won the biologic ability lottery? I don't think so.

    That wasn't my thought process behind having a baby. Was it yours?

    Yes, i'm sure your "lets have a baby!" decision tree was chock full of selfless reasons. Confused

    Actually, my decision tree was: "I want a baby. The end."

     I thought your post was quite insightful, actually. Why does anyone want a baby? Your reasoning really made me stop and think for a second.

    But in this particular reply, you are just coming off as biitchy. Perhaps my comment hit a nerve?

  • So would this make you horribly?judgmental??

    Why does it matter how they are going about adoption or what they are looking for. Just because you choose to adopt does not mean you should not get what you are looking for or hoping for or wanting. A child in need is a child in need and as long as a child is being adopted that should be the important thing, not how they are going about it.?



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  • It's sad. Its a fact that white babies are adopted more quickly than minority babies.
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