Someone just "yay"ed the verdict on Facebook.Off to commit arson, see y'all later.nbsp;
I've dealt with political posts, posts with differing religious views, abortion posts on fb throughout the years...this may be the thing that causes me to unfriend.
Someone just "yay"ed the verdict on Facebook.Off to commit arson, see y'all later.nbsp;
I've dealt with political posts, posts with differing religious views, abortion posts on fb throughout the years...this may be the thing that causes me to unfriend.
I am with you here. I have several friends who constantly post stuff like this. I am about to go clean out FB now.
I get people's frustrations, but you have to understand how things work. I prosecute drug crimes and I can tell you, at least in my state, that most drug users do NOT get decades. We put them in drug court, treatment or probation. Dealers are another story. Pedophile cases very often do not have good evidence. For example, a 4 year old's allegation of a bad touch (which yields ZERO physical evidence) is going to get torn apart in trial. So as a prosecutor you have to weigh, do we go to trial and likely lose, or get some time with a plea? Fair? No, but not unique to our country. It is not as though prosecutors just "let them off" for no good reason. The crimes against children prosecutors that I work with do EVERYTHING they can to get as much time as they possible. But what can you do? I challenge people to come up with a way to improve the system without risking innocent people going to jail
I know people are looking at this one case with very strong feelings about the system one way or another. But each case is individual, and this one case (or even a few cases) can not truly represent the millions of cases prosecuted each year.
I get this, I really do, but I just can't right now. Maybe next week.
Our country is so FCVKED up. Drug users get decades.
Pedophiles get 5 years. A slap on the wrist.
Plz, someone help us. God, if you're real, save us.
I get people's frustrations, but you have to understand how things work. I prosecute drug crimes and I can tell you, at least in my state, that most drug users do NOT get decades. We put them in drug court, treatment or probation. Dealers are another story. Pedophile cases very often do not have good evidence. For example, a 4 year old's allegation of a bad touch (which yields ZERO physical evidence) is going to get torn apart in trial. So as a prosecutor you have to weigh, do we go to trial and likely lose, or get some time with a plea? Fair? No, but not unique to our country. It is not as though prosecutors just "let them off" for no good reason. The crimes against children prosecutors that I work with do EVERYTHING they can to get as much time as they possible. But what can you do? I challenge people to come up with a way to improve the system without risking innocent people going to jail
I know people are looking at this one case with very strong feelings about the system one way or another. But each case is individual, and this one case (or even a few cases) can not truly represent the millions of cases prosecuted each year.
I have very personal experience with the system. Very personal.
Fcvk the system and its political crap. I have zero faith in it. ZERO.
I don't know which side your frustrations come from (victim's side or defendant's side) but I can say that people are working hard and doing everything they can to do the right thing every day. I see it. What it boils down to is that the justice system is imperfect. It will never make a victim or their family whole. It sometimes does not adequately or appropriately sentence a defendant. I have seen murders get just 20 years, I have seen people who need treatment reject it and opt for prison. I have cried with victim's families after a loss at trial. But I can't (and I have tried) to think of a way to fix it. Other countries do things differently, but usually with equal or worse results. We are people judging other people, plain and simple.
I am very sorry for whatever injustice you have dealt with. Truly.
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Carson Henry, born 39w, 2d, via emergency c/s due to no fetal movement and fetal distress. Seizures, IVH grade 2, brain injury, kidney and liver damage. Complete blood clot in the artery in his right arm. 27 days in the NICU. Now discharged from all specialists, excepts his kidney doctor, who will monitor him indefinitely. My tough little cookie.
I get people's frustrations, but you have to understand how things work. I prosecute drug crimes and I can tell you, at least in my state, that most drug users do NOT get decades. We put them in drug court, treatment or probation. Dealers are another story. Pedophile cases very often do not have good evidence. For example, a 4 year old's allegation of a bad touch (which yields ZERO physical evidence) is going to get torn apart in trial. So as a prosecutor you have to weigh, do we go to trial and likely lose, or get some time with a plea? Fair? No, but not unique to our country. It is not as though prosecutors just "let them off" for no good reason. The crimes against children prosecutors that I work with do EVERYTHING they can to get as much time as they possible. But what can you do? I challenge people to come up with a way to improve the system without risking innocent people going to jail
I know people are looking at this one case with very strong feelings about the system one way or another. But each case is individual, and this one case (or even a few cases) can not truly represent the millions of cases prosecuted each year.
I get this, I really do, but I just can't right now. Maybe next week.
Right now, rage.
Scratch everything I said and go with this.
I just don't get arguing this right now. People are just angry. We're not going to burn down buildings.
Just let us vent.
I am really not trying to stifle anyone venting. My post clearly suffers from bad timing. I didn't mean to upset anyone, really. I just wanted to shine a different light since not ALL cases are miscarriages of justice.
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Carson Henry, born 39w, 2d, via emergency c/s due to no fetal movement and fetal distress. Seizures, IVH grade 2, brain injury, kidney and liver damage. Complete blood clot in the artery in his right arm. 27 days in the NICU. Now discharged from all specialists, excepts his kidney doctor, who will monitor him indefinitely. My tough little cookie.
I'm angry at the person or people who advocated for this law.
I'm angry at the legislator who wrote the bill.
I'm angry at the people who voted the law into existence.
I'm angry that a young man is dead because of a stereotype.
I'm angry that this same young man was put on trial after his death and that kind of trial is still ok. It is the same logic as a woman wearing a short skirt gets raped and her reputation is dragged through the mud during the rape trial instead of the trial focusing on the man who actually raped her.
I'm angry that people are "meh" about this.
I'm angry that, in 2013, it is still ok to murder someone because of their race.
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Our country is so FCVKED up. Drug users get decades.
Pedophiles get 5 years. A slap on the wrist.
Plz, someone help us. God, if you're real, save us.
I get people's frustrations, but you have to understand how things work. I prosecute drug crimes and I can tell you, at least in my state, that most drug users do NOT get decades. We put them in drug court, treatment or probation. Dealers are another story. Pedophile cases very often do not have good evidence. For example, a 4 year old's allegation of a bad touch (which yields ZERO physical evidence) is going to get torn apart in trial. So as a prosecutor you have to weigh, do we go to trial and likely lose, or get some time with a plea? Fair? No, but not unique to our country. It is not as though prosecutors just "let them off" for no good reason. The crimes against children prosecutors that I work with do EVERYTHING they can to get as much time as they possible. But what can you do? I challenge people to come up with a way to improve the system without risking innocent people going to jail
I know people are looking at this one case with very strong feelings about the system one way or another. But each case is individual, and this one case (or even a few cases) can not truly represent the millions of cases prosecuted each year.
I have very personal experience with the system. Very personal.
Fcvk the system and its political crap. I have zero faith in it. ZERO.
I don't know which side your frustrations come from (victim's side or defendant's side) but I can say that people are working hard and doing everything they can to do the right thing every day. I see it. What it boils down to is that the justice system is imperfect. It will never make a victim or their family whole. It sometimes does not adequately or appropriately sentence a defendant. I have seen murders get just 20 years, I have seen people who need treatment reject it and opt for prison. I have cried with victim's families after a loss at trial. But I can't (and I have tried) to think of a way to fix it. Other countries do things differently, but usually with equal or worse results. We are people judging other people, plain and simple.
I am very sorry for whatever injustice you have dealt with. Truly.
I know the basics, but really haven't followed the trial. I keep hearing people (on and off TB) say the prosecution didn't prove their case. Can anybody give me a quick recap of what the prosecution didn't do that they maybe should have? I'm not being snarky at all. I really want to know.
And also, I could maybe understand there being doubt about the exact circumstances that led to not guilty in some charges, but really, not even manslaughter? I would've thought just the bare undisputed facts would get him that much!
I just... GOD, this guy. This stupid fcvking guy decided to play cop and got in over his head (BECAUSE HE IS NOT A COP) and fcvking shot some kid with the gun he was NOT SUPPOSED to be carrying on neighborhood watch.
You know what would have happened if he'd not been carrying that gun? He'd have gotten a bad asswhoopin and no one would be dead.
He wouldn't have gotten out of the car if he hadn't had a gun. That's why I don't want police officer wannabes with delusions of power patrolling neighborhoods with guns.
This case doesn't make me lose faith in the justice system, because I wasn't there for the trial so I assume there was reasonable doubt. It makes me lose faith in our laws and our violent, gun accepting culture. I can't even get into the race factor because it makes me nauseous.
DS is 1DAF
"I realize I say the word fuck a lot, and I'd like to apologize but I don't give a shit." -Lewis Black
This outcome is dangerous in my opinion because there are other Zimmermans out there, wanna be cowboys and cops who might now feel emboldened...
And incentivized to leave no witness behind. If the two has just fought with no gun involved, Trayvon would be around to give his side of the story and hopefully get Zimmerman charged with assault. But, instead, he was killed and Zimmerman got to shape the story of what happened all on his own. And it certainly worked for him, as he wouldn't have even been charged with anything but for Trayvon's parents refusing to give up.
DS is 1DAF
"I realize I say the word fuck a lot, and I'd like to apologize but I don't give a shit." -Lewis Black
This outcome is dangerous in my opinion because there are other Zimmermans out there, wanna be cowboys and cops who might now feel emboldened...
And incentivized to leave no witness behind. If the two has just fought with no gun involved, Trayvon would be around to give his side of the story and hopefully get Zimmerman charged with assault. But, instead, he was killed and Zimmerman got to shape the story of what happened all on his own. And it certainly worked for him, as he wouldn't have even been charged with anything but for Trayvon's parents refusing to give up.
DS is 1DAF
"I realize I say the word fuck a lot, and I'd like to apologize but I don't give a shit." -Lewis Black
The system broke in FL w/r/t this case 8 years ago when Stand Your Ground was enacted there.
Look at the Zimmerman case and then look at the case of the FL mother and tell me which one should've fallen under Stand Your Ground by any reasonable person's logic.
Which person, Zimmerman or the mom, should be sitting in jail right now?
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I hope that Zimmerman felt the full weight of that gun when they gave it back to him.
I am angry, sad, and scared. Self defense and reasonable response have been redefined in Florida to the point of ridiculousness. I feel very badly for that jury - who ruled in the only way they could. I suspect that there were a few holdouts who knew that manslaughter was appropriate, but choked on "Not Guilty" because of Florida's burden of proof - rather than having to prove you acted in self defense, the state is to prove you DIDN'T - which is far too heavy a case because it requires literally climbing inside the defendant's head - and with a defendant who doesn't testify, well, is that possible?
Our deeply embedded cultural race issues, Zimmerman's false machismo strengthened with MMA training and a gun in his hands, and the ready availability of fairly easy coverage (e.g. why take a beating in which you could argue you feared for your life?) led to this. The prosecution's failure to prove the case is a symptom, not the disease.
I'm angry at the person or people who advocated for this law.nbsp; I'm angry at the legislator who wrote the bill. I'm angry at the people who voted the law into existence. I'm angry that a young man is dead because of a stereotype. I'm angry that this same young man was put on trial after his death and that kind of trial is still ok.nbsp; It is the same logic as a woman wearing a short skirt gets raped and her reputation is dragged through the mud during the rape trial instead of the trial focusing on the man who actually raped her.nbsp; I'm angry that people are "meh" about this.nbsp; I'm angry that, in 2013, it is still ok to murder someone because of their race.nbsp; nbsp;
You've summed it up perfectly.
I'm also really side eying the "he wasn't stalking Martin" sentiment. WTF do you call, it then?
He was following someone he thought looked suspicious so he wouldn't get away by the time police arrived. That's not illegal.
No one contends it is illegal.
The fact of the matter is that the kid was "suspicious," at least in part because he was black. Z called the police, no one told him to follow him until they arrived. Even worse, he got out of his car, knowing he was safe from the "thug" because he had a gun. And then, he was somehow surprised when the kid stood up for himself.
Quite frankly, even if the worst thing that happened was the cops came and stopped Trayvon for being suspicious, I'd be angry. Vigilantism is gross enough without being motivated by race, so when race is clearly a factor it's abhorrent regardless of what the self- defense law says.
DS is 1DAF
"I realize I say the word fuck a lot, and I'd like to apologize but I don't give a shit." -Lewis Black
The evidence supported Zimmerman because it was his word as a white man against that of a dead black boy. Again, the analogy of the rape victim works here.
A boy with an amazing way of immediately regenerating skin cells considering he apparently punched the shiit out of Zimmerman and yet only had a single cut on his hand. A cut consistent with falling on concrete, not hitting someone in the face.
Also, in FL, the prosecution has to disprove self-defense claims, instead of defense proving it. Again, logic fails in Florida.
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BlueDevil, he was "following someone who looked suspicious" because he profiled a kid who was doing nothing more than walking.
I call that harassment and stalking, and that is illegal.
But no, dramatics and hyperbole. Totally.
Yesterday we were all on board with the bumpie who called the cops to report the man walking through her neighborhood in broad daylight who was looking at her yard.
But George Zimmerman was way out of line thinking that a guy walking in the rain at night in a neighborhood with unresolved crime issues looked suspicious?
That guy had been walking by her house, multiple times a day, for months. How on earth is that even remotely comparable?
BlueDevil, he was "following someone who looked suspicious" because he profiled a kid who was doing nothing more than walking.
I call that harassment and stalking, and that is illegal.
But no, dramatics and hyperbole. Totally.
Yesterday we were all on board with the bumpie who called the cops to report the man walking through her neighborhood in broad daylight who was looking at her yard.
But George Zimmerman was way out of line thinking that a guy walking in the rain at night in a neighborhood with unresolved crime issues looked suspicious?
Completely different set of facts. Also, nobody suggested that the bumpie strap on her handgun and follow the guy on foot...
DS is 1DAF
"I realize I say the word fuck a lot, and I'd like to apologize but I don't give a shit." -Lewis Black
Also, I doubt anyone advised that Bumpie to get a gun, get in her car, follow the guy, get out of her car with her gun, confront the guy and then shoot him dead.
So that seems a poor analogy. If Zimmerman had stayed in his house and called the police because he was suspicious of a person, fine.
Bingo.
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Being hyper vigilant is not an excuse to continue pursuing someone after being told not to.
You will never convince me this wasn't a racial issue.
One thing that could've prevented this? "Excuse me, can I help you tonight?" instead of "these assholes always get away."
The fact that the law in Florida supports vigilante justice is ridiculous. That law needs to be repealed or, at the very least, amended.
Also, if I was being pursued by a man in a car, then said man gets out of the car and comes at me with a gun, I may run at the risk of getting a bullet in my back or I may defend myself against a potential attacker.
I highly doubt, based on the injuries on Trayvon and the injuries on Zimmerman, that Trayvon just rolled up on Zimmerman and started beating the *** out of him for for funsies.
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Also, I doubt anyone advised that Bumpie to get a gun, get in her car, follow the guy, get out of her car with her gun, confront the guy and then shoot him dead.
So that seems a poor analogy. If Zimmerman had stayed in his house and called the police because he was suspicious of a person, fine.
This didn't originate in his house. He was already in his car, called the police, then it out of his car and followed him on foot. And he was legally carrying that gun.
I would assume both the gun and Zimmerman originated in the house at some point, unless he kept the gun in his car.
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I think TM verbally confronted him, which is not illegal, but then initiated the physical altercation and that's where the problem lies. If GZ is getting his head slammed into the concrete he's in fear for his life. At that point, he's in self defense mode.
So, GZ may have scared TM by following him or just plain old pissed him off..but the second it got physical is when an actual crime was committed, by TM, and GZ had every right to defend himself.
If your version of events is correct, from Martin's perspective, he was being followed by a stranger who was intent on confronting him. Wouldn't you have felt you were in danger in that situation?
The bottom line is that none of this would have happened if Zimmerman had followed the direction of the police and gone the eff home. Once he got the police involved, what Martin was doing was none of his business.
I can't believe you think it's perfectly fine to take the law into your own hands, initiate a confrontation, kill the person YOU were following, and get away with it.
I disagree strongly with pretty much all of that BDL.
I can understand that..we're all coming to this having read and seen different things about the case and the background of each party.
To me, the jury made the right decision based on what they had to work with. I am trying to take the emotional aspect out of this case and base my opinion strictly on the evidence, which IMO, supports what GZ said happened.
taking the emotional out of this isn't going to change a law that is, in essence, broken.
Emotions, not just throwing your hands up and saying "Well, that's the law.", gets shiit done.
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To think this wasn't racially motivated is just completely naive. How long do you think it would have taken Zimmerman to be arrested if this had been a white kid?
To think this wasn't racially motivated is just completely naive.nbsp; How long do you think it would have taken Zimmerman to be arrested if this had been a white kid?
These two things are separate from each other
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But considering what GZ said on the 911 tapes and what the dispatcher told him, you will never convince me that he was not the aggressor in this situation.
Trayvon also had the right to defend himself physically against someone who was actively pursuing him with gun in hand.
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To think this wasn't racially motivated is just completely naive.nbsp; How long do you think it would have taken Zimmerman to be arrested if this had been a white kid?
These two things are separate from each other
Fine.
I don't think Zimmerman would have followed Martin on foot with a gun if he had been white.
If the same thing had happened, I think Zimmerman would have been arrested much sooner if Martin had been white.
Why the f is the burden of proving self defense not on the defense in fla? That makes zero sense. It's virtually impossible to prove a negative ie that someone was not acting in self defense. If defendant doesn't take the stand then it really is impossible. Good on ya, Fla!
As for the factual recount, i disagree. He was walking and he was black. Period. There's no evidence of anything else other than gz's words. What does walking between houses even mean? Was he peering in them? Trying to get in? There's no evidence of that. That's why profiling is so wrong. There was no suspicious behavior here. And suspicious behavior is the only thing that should matter before calling police, not someone's skin color. I posted a link to a video on the pce board that highlights how messed up this is in our country.
As for the previous post two key differences; it was based on repeated, suspicious behavior and no one told her to get personally involved. Call the cops and let them do their job. Gz felt emboldened by his gun and by the law in his state to take matters into his own hands. And now with this verdict, there are other zimmermans who are even more emboldened. Just great.
This is what scares me the most about this verdict.
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I've dealt with political posts, posts with differing religious views, abortion posts on fb throughout the years...this may be the thing that causes me to unfriend.
I am with you here. I have several friends who constantly post stuff like this. I am about to go clean out FB now.
I get this, I really do, but I just can't right now. Maybe next week.
Right now, rage.
I don't know which side your frustrations come from (victim's side or defendant's side) but I can say that people are working hard and doing everything they can to do the right thing every day. I see it. What it boils down to is that the justice system is imperfect. It will never make a victim or their family whole. It sometimes does not adequately or appropriately sentence a defendant. I have seen murders get just 20 years, I have seen people who need treatment reject it and opt for prison. I have cried with victim's families after a loss at trial. But I can't (and I have tried) to think of a way to fix it. Other countries do things differently, but usually with equal or worse results. We are people judging other people, plain and simple.
I am very sorry for whatever injustice you have dealt with. Truly.
So, so messed up. I just can't even.
I am really not trying to stifle anyone venting. My post clearly suffers from bad timing. I didn't mean to upset anyone, really. I just wanted to shine a different light since not ALL cases are miscarriages of justice.
I'm angry at the person or people who advocated for this law.
I'm angry at the legislator who wrote the bill.
I'm angry at the people who voted the law into existence.
I'm angry that a young man is dead because of a stereotype.
I'm angry that this same young man was put on trial after his death and that kind of trial is still ok. It is the same logic as a woman wearing a short skirt gets raped and her reputation is dragged through the mud during the rape trial instead of the trial focusing on the man who actually raped her.
I'm angry that people are "meh" about this.
I'm angry that, in 2013, it is still ok to murder someone because of their race.
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Lurker and sex crimes prosecutor. Very well said.
Ugh. Just another example of why I can't stand this state. Can't wait to leave the south.
And also, I could maybe understand there being doubt about the exact circumstances that led to not guilty in some charges, but really, not even manslaughter? I would've thought just the bare undisputed facts would get him that much!
He wouldn't have gotten out of the car if he hadn't had a gun. That's why I don't want police officer wannabes with delusions of power patrolling neighborhoods with guns.
This case doesn't make me lose faith in the justice system, because I wasn't there for the trial so I assume there was reasonable doubt. It makes me lose faith in our laws and our violent, gun accepting culture. I can't even get into the race factor because it makes me nauseous.
Agreed.
And incentivized to leave no witness behind. If the two has just fought with no gun involved, Trayvon would be around to give his side of the story and hopefully get Zimmerman charged with assault. But, instead, he was killed and Zimmerman got to shape the story of what happened all on his own. And it certainly worked for him, as he wouldn't have even been charged with anything but for Trayvon's parents refusing to give up.
And incentivized to leave no witness behind. If the two has just fought with no gun involved, Trayvon would be around to give his side of the story and hopefully get Zimmerman charged with assault. But, instead, he was killed and Zimmerman got to shape the story of what happened all on his own. And it certainly worked for him, as he wouldn't have even been charged with anything but for Trayvon's parents refusing to give up.
robin, Ella, and RTV,
The system broke in FL w/r/t this case 8 years ago when Stand Your Ground was enacted there.
Look at the Zimmerman case and then look at the case of the FL mother and tell me which one should've fallen under Stand Your Ground by any reasonable person's logic.
Which person, Zimmerman or the mom, should be sitting in jail right now?
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"These assholes always get away."
I hope that Zimmerman felt the full weight of that gun when they gave it back to him.
I am angry, sad, and scared. Self defense and reasonable response have been redefined in Florida to the point of ridiculousness. I feel very badly for that jury - who ruled in the only way they could. I suspect that there were a few holdouts who knew that manslaughter was appropriate, but choked on "Not Guilty" because of Florida's burden of proof - rather than having to prove you acted in self defense, the state is to prove you DIDN'T - which is far too heavy a case because it requires literally climbing inside the defendant's head - and with a defendant who doesn't testify, well, is that possible?
Our deeply embedded cultural race issues, Zimmerman's false machismo strengthened with MMA training and a gun in his hands, and the ready availability of fairly easy coverage (e.g. why take a beating in which you could argue you feared for your life?) led to this. The prosecution's failure to prove the case is a symptom, not the disease.
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No one contends it is illegal.
The fact of the matter is that the kid was "suspicious," at least in part because he was black. Z called the police, no one told him to follow him until they arrived. Even worse, he got out of his car, knowing he was safe from the "thug" because he had a gun. And then, he was somehow surprised when the kid stood up for himself.
Quite frankly, even if the worst thing that happened was the cops came and stopped Trayvon for being suspicious, I'd be angry. Vigilantism is gross enough without being motivated by race, so when race is clearly a factor it's abhorrent regardless of what the self- defense law says.
The evidence supported Zimmerman because it was his word as a white man against that of a dead black boy. Again, the analogy of the rape victim works here.
A boy with an amazing way of immediately regenerating skin cells considering he apparently punched the shiit out of Zimmerman and yet only had a single cut on his hand. A cut consistent with falling on concrete, not hitting someone in the face.
Also, in FL, the prosecution has to disprove self-defense claims, instead of defense proving it. Again, logic fails in Florida.
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That guy had been walking by her house, multiple times a day, for months. How on earth is that even remotely comparable?
Completely different set of facts. Also, nobody suggested that the bumpie strap on her handgun and follow the guy on foot...
Bingo.
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I still maintain Florida is a f'ucked up state.
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Being hyper vigilant is not an excuse to continue pursuing someone after being told not to.
You will never convince me this wasn't a racial issue.
One thing that could've prevented this? "Excuse me, can I help you tonight?" instead of "these assholes always get away."
The fact that the law in Florida supports vigilante justice is ridiculous. That law needs to be repealed or, at the very least, amended.
Also, if I was being pursued by a man in a car, then said man gets out of the car and comes at me with a gun, I may run at the risk of getting a bullet in my back or I may defend myself against a potential attacker.
I highly doubt, based on the injuries on Trayvon and the injuries on Zimmerman, that Trayvon just rolled up on Zimmerman and started beating the *** out of him for for funsies.
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I would assume both the gun and Zimmerman originated in the house at some point, unless he kept the gun in his car.
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If your version of events is correct, from Martin's perspective, he was being followed by a stranger who was intent on confronting him. Wouldn't you have felt you were in danger in that situation?
The bottom line is that none of this would have happened if Zimmerman had followed the direction of the police and gone the eff home. Once he got the police involved, what Martin was doing was none of his business.
I can't believe you think it's perfectly fine to take the law into your own hands, initiate a confrontation, kill the person YOU were following, and get away with it.
taking the emotional out of this isn't going to change a law that is, in essence, broken.
Emotions, not just throwing your hands up and saying "Well, that's the law.", gets shiit done.
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These two things are separate from each other
Nobody knows if that was the case, BDL.
But considering what GZ said on the 911 tapes and what the dispatcher told him, you will never convince me that he was not the aggressor in this situation.
Trayvon also had the right to defend himself physically against someone who was actively pursuing him with gun in hand.
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Fine.
I don't think Zimmerman would have followed Martin on foot with a gun if he had been white.
If the same thing had happened, I think Zimmerman would have been arrested much sooner if Martin had been white.
This is what scares me the most about this verdict.
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