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article: frequent m/c = superfertility

I'm not sure what to make of this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2192984/Women-suffer-recurrent-miscarriages-actually-super-fertile-experts-claimed.html 

Among the most shocking seemed to be that only 30% of "natural" pregnancies result in a baby.  

It sure would be nice if they could get this connective process figured out. We can send people to the moon, but we can't figure out how our own bodies function. I still don't think it eases the pain for women who have to suffer through continually losing a child. 

(Live in Europe) TTC since 1/2010

Re: article: frequent m/c = superfertility

  • This is interesting, as I've never really thought of "fertility" to be defined primarily as the receptivity of endometrium to allow implantation, but rather the viability of one's embryos (which obviously depends partially and ultimately on the former, unless you are using a GC).  I also hope we make progress on figuring out how all this works, and sooner rather than later...
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    5 REs + 3 surgical hysteroscopies for septum/lap + 3 failed IUIs
    IVF w/ICSI/AH & acu = BFP!, unexplained spontaneous m/c @ 8w2d (our little girl),
    FET w/acu = BFP!, B/G twins!, lost MP @19w, dx w/funneling cervix @20w,
    twins nearly lost to IC @21w, saved by rescue cerclage, 17P & 16w of bedrest
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  • Interesting - I wonder if this is referring more to chemical pregnancies because the article kept saying 'long enough to get a positive pregnancy test' - but what about being visible on u/s, heartbeat, etc. I felt like I wanted more info on what point these embryos would typically stop developing.

    It is interesting because in my 5 transfers I've gotten pregnant 4 times, but always lost my babies. None of them were chemical though - one of them was a normal baby; one was ectopic; one was T21 for one of the embryos (not sure on the twin); one was not tested. So not sure where that leaves me!

    I agree, we need more research on this. I think it's an issue again that because it affects women (not men) directly, it's been ignored for years. 

    Dx: High FSH, stage IV endo, homozygous C677T MTHFR and PAI-1
    Early loss 10/08
    Lap 1/09
    IVF #1 "natural IVF" - 1 egg retrieved, missed m/c
    Tried several mini-stim cycles with no response
    Switched clinics - dx'd as carrier for Fragile X
    IVF #2 MDL protocol Jan/Feb converted to IUI, BFN
    IVF #2 take 2: Antagonist, one embie, BFN
    IVF #3: Antagonist, no fertilization
    One last ditch effort at OE IVF (antagonist with Clomid) cancelled
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    2 frosties but don't know what's next
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  • I've read a bunch of stuff that says between 20-25% actually make it to term once the sperm fertilizes the egg.  So 30% is more encouraging I guess?  3/5 of my embryos transferred have given me BFPs... all ending in m/c of course (my RE is guessing that I have an embryo issue right now)

    TTC #1 Since 4/2010, Cycle 30
    Positive for HLA-B27, I'm a mutant :p
    Testing - Me ok, gluten issue? DH - borderline count, low motility
    4/28/11 IUI#1 = BFP!(5/25), EDD 2/2/12 - m/c 5w3d
    7/3, 7/31, 9/25 - IUI#2-4=BFN
    IVF#1 - 1 blast = BFP!! (12/30), EDD 9/9/12, confirmed c/p 4w2d
    FET#1 3/2/12 - 2 blasts =BFP!! EDD 11/18/12, us#1 = twins! Confirmed m/c 5w6d
    4/20-surprise BFP and another c/p 4w2d
    FET#2 7/16/12 - 2 blasts = BFN
    FET#3 8/20/12 - 1 blast - BFP!! Beta #1-2=177, 354
    1st u/s 5w6d, one beautiful little HB :), 2nd u/s 146bpm
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  • Interesting way of looking at math, on their part. But I see what angle they are coming from.

    I actually wouldn't say that I'm infertile, just AMA and half of an infertile couple. Both time I've transferred a 5day blast, I've gotten pregnant even a poor quality blast, resulting in a mc. No luck w 3dt, but I suspect the embies arrested in my ute before reaching blast.
    TTC 12/2009 Dx Severe MFI/azoo 6/2010


    IVF 1 (long lupron): mc 7w4d, D&C 11/23/10


    IVF 2 (antagonist w co cultures): cancelled 2x due to no sperm


    IVF 2.2: ER 6/9/11 3dt of 2 (1 frostie :), BFN

    IVF 3 (EPP w co cultures): 9/2011 (cancelled, irregular pap) LEEP 9/2011

    IVF 3.1 (11/2011) EPP w co cultures: 3dt of 3- BFN Again

    Natural sFET 1/2012: -ET of the "lone wolf (Wolfie)" 1/29

    Beta 2/8 BFP!! Betas: 119 @14dpo, 388 @16dpo, HB 6w2d 131!!

    dx GD @ 28 wks, insulin dependent






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  • image kthappy76:
    This is interesting, as I've never really thought of "fertility" to benbsp;definednbsp;primarily asnbsp;the receptivity ofnbsp;endometrium to allow implantation, but rather the viability ofnbsp;one's embryosnbsp;which obviously depends partially andnbsp;ultimately on the former, unless you are using a GC.nbsp; I also hope we make progress on figuring out how all this works, and sooner rather than later...
    also consider that the viability of ur embryos, depend on your partner too...which would actually have no impact on ur personal fertility. Some interesting perspectives here.
    TTC 12/2009 Dx Severe MFI/azoo 6/2010


    IVF 1 (long lupron): mc 7w4d, D&C 11/23/10


    IVF 2 (antagonist w co cultures): cancelled 2x due to no sperm


    IVF 2.2: ER 6/9/11 3dt of 2 (1 frostie :), BFN

    IVF 3 (EPP w co cultures): 9/2011 (cancelled, irregular pap) LEEP 9/2011

    IVF 3.1 (11/2011) EPP w co cultures: 3dt of 3- BFN Again

    Natural sFET 1/2012: -ET of the "lone wolf (Wolfie)" 1/29

    Beta 2/8 BFP!! Betas: 119 @14dpo, 388 @16dpo, HB 6w2d 131!!

    dx GD @ 28 wks, insulin dependent






    *s/paif always welcome*



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    Can't wait to meet Wolfie!!!

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