So what do you really think about vaccinations?

bigbear

Let's have this be a nice discussion

I don't want to flame anybody or disrespect anybody's opinion. We are all parents who want and do what's best for their kids.

I personally do believe that it's important to get the kids vaccinated. So things for whooping cough and all the typical vaccines babies get at their checkups. Will all of them always work? Well there are always unfortunate/tragic exceptions. There are also bad reactions that can come from vaccines. But the potenital outcome of not getting the vaccine is a lot scarier to me. I believe in medicine and my doctor so I try to follow (although we do our own research as well and don't blindly follow everything the doc says).

Vaccines such as flu shots etc are another story for me and I'm really torn whether I will have DD get those or not...

I've never gotten a flu shot in my life and I never get the flu! Yes I'll get a cold here and there but that's about it.... But I know of so many people (including my ILs who religiously get flu shots ever year but it also never fails and they get the flu every year as well.... You can get the flu shot that covers certain strains and then a new one comes out and bam, you are not covered either way....

I feel like these days there is just two extremes people/doctors who either push ALL vaccines and just want to pump us full of everything and than the other end of things where all vaccinations  are considered bad.

IMHO there is a middle to this. I just wish people would do a better research (referring to my previous post re DHs distant relative who doesn't reasearch properly and makes decisions based on completely false information)

 

 

shortstuff15

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

bigbear

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

I agree with this, too! What bothers me too is that some doc offices don't even really explain to you what it all is, they just do it as a routine now and give the kids coctails without even really discussing it all with the parents. I like my doc because he at least tells you what it all is and leaves it up to you even though he will still try to be as convincing as possible for you to get them all....

bpwife&mama

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

kmm2150

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

michnthecity

bigbear:

Let's have this be a nice discussion

 

 

Good luck with that

CharlieTheUnicorn

lilnightmusic:

We don't vaccinate.  I see it as a risk either way- but after researching what's in the vaccines there is no way I will vaccinate, for religious reasons (I'm not putting aborted fetus cells into my kid) and for health reasons.  My pediatrician is on board with my decision and we will be bfing as long as we can for additional protection.
https://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Ultimately the choice to vax or not vax is up to the parent. I'm sick and tired of being demonized because we choose not to. Really, if you're vaccinated and your child is vaccinated why should you care what's up with my kid? 

I didn't realize you guys didn't vax. This highlights another reason why some people don't vax, I do get tired of vax-ers assuming people who don't only made that choice because of autism or Jenny Mcarthy. Gag.

Anyway, I know it's an UO, but I don't think the issue is as black and white as some people make it, there is definitely gray area. Parents need to be informed.  

namara5532

CharlieTheUnicorn:

Anyway, I know it's an UO, but I don't think the issue is as black and white as some people make it, there is definitely gray area. Parents need to be informed.  

This.  Everyone has their own reasons for vaccinating (or not).  As long as it was an informed choice, you have the right to make it.  I disagree with those who don't vaccinate, but I won't crucify them for it.

I chose to vaccinate because our sterile society is lacking normal exposures to milder versions of deadly diseases.  There's a reason why polio became a big deal when people started cleaning their homes (and themselves) more.  Infants used to contract a milder strain of it that they built immunities to that helped fight off polio.  The vaccine was actually derived from the milder version that was commonly caught by infants before our cleaning obsessed society wiped it away.  It isn't common anymore for infants/children to contract the milder versions of these diseases because we clean everything nowadays.

Vaccinations provide the immunities my child is lacking to fight deadly diseases.  Should we be aware of what's in them and what exactly is going into our children?  Absolutely.  Should everyone get them who is able to?  I think so, but that's my opinion.  I still respect parents' right to make that choice even if I disagree.  I agree there are some things it's ok to not vaccinate against, like the flu.

SmittyPants

What do I really think about vaccines?

I think they save lives. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

There is very little that gets me as riled as people choosing not to vaccinate their children. You are putting your child at tremendous risk. You are also putting others who cannot get vaccinated at tremendous risk.

VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN!

My grandfather had polio. He was crippled. His right arm never grew past that of a two year old's. WHY would you take the risk of doing that to your child?!

We live in a global world. Infectious disease spreads rapidly. All it takes is ONE PERSON with measles to get on a plane and fly to the US (which, incidentally, has happened, and there have been outbreaks of measles... which can kill).

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

 

SmittyPants

HilarityEnsued:

SmittyPants:

What do I really think about vaccines?

I think they save lives. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

There is very little that gets me as riled as people choosing not to vaccinate their children. You are putting your child at tremendous risk. You are also putting others who cannot get vaccinated at tremendous risk.

VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN!

My grandfather had polio. He was crippled. His right arm never grew past that of a two year old's. WHY would you take the risk of doing that to your child?!

We live in a global world. Infectious disease spreads rapidly. All it takes is ONE PERSON with measles to get on a plane and fly to the US (which, incidentally, has happened, and there have been outbreaks of measles... which can kill).

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

ILY SmittyPants... You and I would probably be friends IRL... I agree 100%. 

And Smitty also answered LilNightMusic's question about why other care if your kid is not vaccinated.  There are people that cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons (as pointed out by LNM in a prior post).  Those people HAVE NO CHOICE but to rely on herd immunity.  

Vaccines are for diseases that will kill you... not give you a runny nose or a cough.  Breastfeeding has nothing on polio.

 

Awe, shucks <blushes>

CharlieTheUnicorn

SmittyPants:

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

As I stated before, not all parent don't vaccinate because of autism. As to the second statement, that's just false. Even the most hardcore vaccination advocate will tell you there are risks to vaccines, even if they are rare.  

jodywelsh

Getting the notice from DS's daycare that there was a confirmed case of pertussis made me wish it didn't take so long to get his immunity with all of the follow up shots required. Thankfully the child with it was in another building and they don't believe my DS was exposed but my heart sank just reading the words. I know it is a parent's choice to vaccinate but I can't imagine with everything we do to protect our children that anyone would want to leave them exposed for any reason if it was at all possible to prevent.

SmittyPants

CharlieTheUnicorn:

SmittyPants:

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

As I stated before, not all parent don't vaccinate because of autism. As to the second statement, that's just false. Even the most hardcore vaccination advocate will tell you there are risks to vaccines, even if they are rare.  

Then why don't you vaccinate? I can't fathom a reason good enough to put my child at risk of dying or being crippled.

Yes, there are risks to vaccinating, but those risks are minuscule and far, far less serious than what these diseases can do.   

kmm2150

SmittyPants:

CharlieTheUnicorn:

SmittyPants:

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

As I stated before, not all parent don't vaccinate because of autism. As to the second statement, that's just false. Even the most hardcore vaccination advocate will tell you there are risks to vaccines, even if they are rare.  

 

Then why don't you vaccinate? I can't fathom a reason good enough to put my child at risk of dying or being crippled.

Yes, there are risks to vaccinating, but those risks are minuscule and far, far less serious than what these diseases can do.   

I can't focus on this conversation because that picture of your LO is SO CUTE. What.A.Face. omg.

I totally agree with the pro-vaccine people: yes, there are potential side effects with just about any medical treatment, vaccine, medicine, surgery, whatever, but the benefits of vaccines FAR, FAR outweigh those in my mind. I have a family full of public health professionals and they would dis-own me and take DD away if I did not vaccinate. It is just flat-out irresponsible not to.

julesjarvais65

kmm2150:

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

Actually, the chicken pox vaccine ALSO puts you at a higher risk of getting shingles as an adult.

julesjarvais65

kmm2150:

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

Actually, the chicken pox vaccine ALSO puts you at a higher risk of getting shingles as an adult.

SmittyPants

kmm2150:

I can't focus on this conversation because that picture of your LO is SO CUTE. What.A.Face. omg.

I totally agree with the pro-vaccine people: yes, there are potential side effects with just about any medical treatment, vaccine, medicine, surgery, whatever, but the benefits of vaccines FAR, FAR outweigh those in my mind. I have a family full of public health professionals and they would dis-own me and take DD away if I did not vaccinate. It is just flat-out irresponsible not to.

Aww, thanks! It's the only thing that saves her from going out the window when she wakes up for the fifth time at night. 

 

kmm2150

julesdac65:

kmm2150:

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

Actually, the chicken pox vaccine ALSO puts you at a higher risk of getting shingles as an adult.

I think this is a misinterpretation of some research on the vaccine. There is a concern that, as children no longer have chicken pox, older adults no longer get the immunity 'boost' that comes from being exposed to the virus, and are thus more susceptible to shingles. It's not that Bobby gets vaccinated and later is more likely to get shingles, more like Bobby gets vaccinated and never exposes his grandma to chicken pox, so SHE gets shingles. Assuming the chicken pox vaccine provides life-long immunity, or close to it, this won't be a problem once we get through a few generations of people being vaccinated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563790/

kali55

I did my research and decided to vaccinate DS.  It wasn't a given for me.  Just because something is government endorsed doesn't mean it's best for my family.  The government has an agenda and it usually involves money.

That being said, I feel it's important for every parent to make informed decisions regarding their children and that means educating yourself on risks and benefits.  DH didn't want to vaccinate DS for the reason that he and his 7 siblings were never vaccinated and all of them are exceptionally healthy (with the exception of a case of lymphoma but I'm pretty sure there is no vaccine for that yet).  I wanted DS vaccinated for all of the things I was.  As for the flu shot, I will be avoiding getting that for DS.  The only year I ever got the flu was the same year I got the flu shot.   

preggyamy

lilnightmusic:

We don't vaccinate.  I see it as a risk either way- but after researching what's in the vaccines there is no way I will vaccinate, for religious reasons (I'm not putting aborted fetus cells into my kid) and for health reasons.  My pediatrician is on board with my decision and we will be bfing as long as we can for additional protection.
https://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Ultimately the choice to vax or not vax is up to the parent. I'm sick and tired of being demonized because we choose not to. Really, if you're vaccinated and your child is vaccinated why should you care what's up with my kid? 

 

The argument of why should you care what's up with my kid seems a bit strange considering that one of the reasons you won't vaccinate is because of your stance of caring so deeply about what other people do with their fetuses.  This isn't a slam on your religion - just pointing out that your religion must care very much about what happens to others children, so your argument about why should other people care about whether you vaccinate your child doesn't seem to hold water.  Esp if other people believe that not vaccinating your child poses significant harm to him or her.  Just an observation.

shortstuff15

kmm2150:

julesdac65:

kmm2150:

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

Actually, the chicken pox vaccine ALSO puts you at a higher risk of getting shingles as an adult.

I think this is a misinterpretation of some research on the vaccine. There is a concern that, as children no longer have chicken pox, older adults no longer get the immunity 'boost' that comes from being exposed to the virus, and are thus more susceptible to shingles. It's not that Bobby gets vaccinated and later is more likely to get shingles, more like Bobby gets vaccinated and never exposes his grandma to chicken pox, so SHE gets shingles. Assuming the chicken pox vaccine provides life-long immunity, or close to it, this won't be a problem once we get through a few generations of people being vaccinated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563790/

However the chicken pox vaccine is proving to not provide lifelong immunity.  There has been chicken pox flying around in my area and the kids who are getting the worst are actually the vaccinated ones - and especially those who were vaccinated about 6 to 10 years ago.  They are now recommending that you get a booster shot at 12 (or some age around there) and then regular boosters every 10 years.  At least here they are. 

shortstuff15

kmm2150:

dhviel:

What do I really think?  I think they are great but some of them are not needed.  I agree with you on the flu shot - but that may be tainted by personal experience with my grandma. 

I also don't think the chicken pox shot is needed.  Yes I know that chicken pox can be deadly, but the vaccine was created because corporate america was losing too much money by moms staying home with their poxed kids.  It wasn't created because people were dying from the disease or the disease was causing disabilites, it was because companies were losing too much money.  Not a good reason for a vaccine in my books.

Those are really the only two that I have a problem with,  That said, my kids won't get Hep B unless we travel somewhere where it is needed and they won't be getting HPV either unless they want it when they are old enough to make the decision.

Aside from why it was created, chickon pox also makes you susceptible to getting shingles, which can be HORRIBLE, especially in old age. Getting chicken pox as an adult (or an elderly person) can also be really really bad, so that's another reason for getting the vaccine. Not trying to start anything, just saying that everyone has this image of chicken pox as a mild, harmless childhood illness and that's not always the case.

I am aware that getting chicken pox as an adult is dangerous.  I have a friend who has gotten it 3 times because she doesn't develop immunity to it (and she is actually against the vaccine as well).  And because of that knowledge, if my kids haven't gotten chicken pox by the time they are 13, I'll get it for them then.  The reason I choose 13 is because that is the age that I can request a blood draw to see whether or not they actually have gotten it or not because I also have a different friend who never had chicken pox, yet when they tested her blood for immunities during her pregnancies she showed immunity.  So before I give them that shot, I'll have them tested and I can't do that until 13.

beccajanedowning

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

bigbear

beccajanedowning:

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

I didn't mean to cause anybody to fly off the handle or get upset. I also didn't think of this as a way to convince somebody to change their minds. I just thought it was an interesting topic. I don't think there is anything wrong with a "healthy discussion", why not. We should all be able to just discuss things, yes it can get heated but I'm not trying to cause drama. Or if somebody just wants to let out their frustrations out here, go right ahead just don't insult anybody here. That's kind of where I was getting at

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CharlieTheUnicorn

SmittyPants:

CharlieTheUnicorn:

SmittyPants:

The ridiculous link to autism has been disproved, time and time again. There is nothing in the vaccines that will hurt your kid. You know what will hurt your kid? DISEASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE VACCINES!

As I stated before, not all parent don't vaccinate because of autism. As to the second statement, that's just false. Even the most hardcore vaccination advocate will tell you there are risks to vaccines, even if they are rare.  

Then why don't you vaccinate? I can't fathom a reason good enough to put my child at risk of dying or being crippled.

Yes, there are risks to vaccinating, but those risks are minuscule and far, far less serious than what these diseases can do.   

Who said I didn't vaccinate?  

bigbear

MrsMooney:

beccajanedowning:

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

How is a discussion about a topic and asking for mature, thoughtful responses wanting to stir up unnessesary drama? Yes I know the subject is controversial, but that doesn't mean it has to be considered drama. 

 And frankly this board needs a little bit of life lately, and sometimes a passionate discussion can bring some life.  

Exactly! I'm so glad somebody understands! Thank you!

bigbear

FarmBoysWife:

bigbear:

Let's have this be a nice discussion

I don't want to flame anybody or disrespect anybody's opinion. We are all parents who want and do what's best for their kids.

I personally do believe that it's important to get the kids vaccinated. So things for whooping cough and all the typical vaccines babies get at their checkups. Will all of them always work? Well there are always unfortunate/tragic exceptions. There are also bad reactions that can come from vaccines. But the potenital outcome of not getting the vaccine is a lot scarier to me. I believe in medicine and my doctor so I try to follow (although we do our own research as well and don't blindly follow everything the doc says).

Vaccines such as flu shots etc are another story for me and I'm really torn whether I will have DD get those or not...

I've never gotten a flu shot in my life and I never get the flu! Yes I'll get a cold here and there but that's about it.... But I know of so many people (including my ILs who religiously get flu shots ever year but it also never fails and they get the flu every year as well.... You can get the flu shot that covers certain strains and then a new one comes out and bam, you are not covered either way....

I feel like these days there is just two extremes people/doctors who either push ALL vaccines and just want to pump us full of everything and than the other end of things where all vaccinations  are considered bad.

IMHO there is a middle to this. I just wish people would do a better research (referring to my previous post re DHs distant relative who doesn't reasearch properly and makes decisions based on completely false information)

 

 

 

I did not read the 32 posts.

 This is/will not be a nice discussion

 its polarizing, and asking for a fight. Nice job BigB.

Do as you will, I'll do as I will..

Megan, I read your first post- I vaccinate and I dont think your a demon. I envision you as your pictures are, who turns into she-hulk when people get on your nerves.

 Maybe, if I feel like reading the rinse-wash-repeat answers that you can Google and get previous bump fights on the topic, I'll post something more relevant and exciting. Until then..  

Oh please! Drama is only where you want it to be. It was not my intention to do so and most people here got that. Why can't we discuss anything like adults and not consider it drama right away. Yes we are entiteled to an opinion and that is what makes us individuals. But we are not bad people if we start a conversation about an "adult" topic. Its not always mean to flame somebody or cause drama. Why is everybody so sensitive and takes it personally?

I also don't want to "attack" you in any way, so please don't attack me either...

bigbear

FarmBoysWife:

bigbear:

Let's have this be a nice discussion

I don't want to flame anybody or disrespect anybody's opinion. We are all parents who want and do what's best for their kids.

I personally do believe that it's important to get the kids vaccinated. So things for whooping cough and all the typical vaccines babies get at their checkups. Will all of them always work? Well there are always unfortunate/tragic exceptions. There are also bad reactions that can come from vaccines. But the potenital outcome of not getting the vaccine is a lot scarier to me. I believe in medicine and my doctor so I try to follow (although we do our own research as well and don't blindly follow everything the doc says).

Vaccines such as flu shots etc are another story for me and I'm really torn whether I will have DD get those or not...

I've never gotten a flu shot in my life and I never get the flu! Yes I'll get a cold here and there but that's about it.... But I know of so many people (including my ILs who religiously get flu shots ever year but it also never fails and they get the flu every year as well.... You can get the flu shot that covers certain strains and then a new one comes out and bam, you are not covered either way....

I feel like these days there is just two extremes people/doctors who either push ALL vaccines and just want to pump us full of everything and than the other end of things where all vaccinations  are considered bad.

IMHO there is a middle to this. I just wish people would do a better research (referring to my previous post re DHs distant relative who doesn't reasearch properly and makes decisions based on completely false information)

 

 

 

I did not read the 32 posts.

 This is/will not be a nice discussion

 its polarizing, and asking for a fight. Nice job BigB.

Do as you will, I'll do as I will..

Megan, I read your first post- I vaccinate and I dont think your a demon. I envision you as your pictures are, who turns into she-hulk when people get on your nerves.

 Maybe, if I feel like reading the rinse-wash-repeat answers that you can Google and get previous bump fights on the topic, I'll post something more relevant and exciting. Until then..  

Oh please! Drama is only where you want it to be. It was not my intention to do so and most people here got that. Why can't we discuss anything like adults and not consider it drama right away. Yes we are entiteled to an opinion and that is what makes us individuals. But we are not bad people if we start a conversation about an "adult" topic. Its not always mean to flame somebody or cause drama. Why is everybody so sensitive and takes it personally?

I also don't want to "attack" you in any way, so please don't attack me either...

bpwife&mama

bigbear:

MrsMooney:

beccajanedowning:

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

How is a discussion about a topic and asking for mature, thoughtful responses wanting to stir up unnessesary drama? Yes I know the subject is controversial, but that doesn't mean it has to be considered drama. 

 And frankly this board needs a little bit of life lately, and sometimes a passionate discussion can bring some life.  

Exactly! I'm so glad somebody understands! Thank you!

Because it annoys people and causes tempers to flare, like it has done. I am all for a passionate discussion, but I think vaccinating is a personal issue that doesn't need to be discussed.  The board is boring because of stupid posts like this that make me (and I'm sure other) not want to come back.  This topic has been discussed to the point of annoyance. 

michnthecity

Just curious if anyone on here actually has a medical background (ie pediatrician) as opposed to sitting around and googling things and proclaiming to know what is really going on...yeah, that's right.  No one.

beccajanedowning

FarmBoysWife:

bpwife&mama:

bigbear:

MrsMooney:

beccajanedowning:

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

How is a discussion about a topic and asking for mature, thoughtful responses wanting to stir up unnessesary drama? Yes I know the subject is controversial, but that doesn't mean it has to be considered drama. 

 And frankly this board needs a little bit of life lately, and sometimes a passionate discussion can bring some life.  

Exactly! I'm so glad somebody understands! Thank you!

Because it annoys people and causes tempers to flare, like it has done. I am all for a passionate discussion, but I think vaccinating is a personal issue that doesn't need to be discussed.  The board is boring because of stupid posts like this that make me (and I'm sure other) not want to come back.  This topic has been discussed to the point of annoyance. 

 

We discussed for 9 months, and then 3 months post birth.

 Horse is dead.. Move on.. or lurk on 3rd tri or 0-3 months to get your vaccine debate high.  

 Because we get honest answers like this one:

 "I have no way to moderately or calmly or peacefully explain how I feel about people that don't vaccinate.  Relying on herd immunity to protect your children is akin to leeching off society in my book." 

and

"I think they save lives. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot."

This is not a topic that people tend to respond to in a calm or polite manner. It's been discussed to death over the past year, let's move on.  For those wanting more drama and excitement on the board, find something that hasn't been discussed eleventy billion times.

fyrefairie

FarmBoysWife:

bpwife&mama:

bigbear:

MrsMooney:

beccajanedowning:

bpwife&mama:

I am not trying to flame or anything, but I really hate these types of discussions.  All they do is ignite the masses and stir up controversy.  It's the same thing as "will you circumsize?"  I have done my research and decided the best option for DS.  There is nothing that can be said or posted on here that would ever change my decision.  Nor would I come looking for advice on here as to whether or not I should.  I would ask DS pedi for opinions on the matter.  I do not believe it is anyone's right to argues what is best for another person's child.  You can post all of your feelings or links to articles posted by doctors etc. it will never change my opinion on how I feel for my son. 

 Well said bpwife! We made our decision based on research and took my health into consideration (I have immune system problems). Nothing said here will change my mind (and I doubt any of you will change your minds) and I think bringing it up is just another way to stir up unnecessary drama on the board.  

How is a discussion about a topic and asking for mature, thoughtful responses wanting to stir up unnessesary drama? Yes I know the subject is controversial, but that doesn't mean it has to be considered drama. 

 And frankly this board needs a little bit of life lately, and sometimes a passionate discussion can bring some life.  

Exactly! I'm so glad somebody understands! Thank you!

Because it annoys people and causes tempers to flare, like it has done. I am all for a passionate discussion, but I think vaccinating is a personal issue that doesn't need to be discussed.  The board is boring because of stupid posts like this that make me (and I'm sure other) not want to come back.  This topic has been discussed to the point of annoyance. 

 

We discussed for 9 months, and then 3 months post birth.

 Horse is dead.. Move on.. or lurk on 3rd tri or 0-3 months to get your vaccine debate high.  

I vaccinate. 

just here to say I love me some Shartsies. '

And LNM- ...I vaccinate, but I still heart you

fyrefairie

HilarityEnsued:

michnthecity:

bigbear:

Let's have this be a nice discussion

Good luck with that

Uhhhhhhhhhh.... yep... this is my thought too.  I have no way to moderately or calmly or peacefully explain how I feel about people that don't vaccinate.  Relying on herd immunity to protect your children is akin to leeching off society in my book.

Breastfeeding may protect you from the flu and other common colds, but it sure as shitz doesn't protect you from polio or measles or rubella...

So I will refrain from continuing this rant (I'm PMS-ing and it will get heated) but, like I said yesterday, people who don't vaccinate should go live on an island together.  There is a reason that you get "demonized" for not vaccinating... it's goddamn ignorant and completely irresponsible.  Our pediatrian's practice won't take patients that won't vaccinate and thank god for that. 

bpwife&mama

HilarityEnsued:

The human race has been around long before we conceived our babies last year... so it's really not that outrageous that topics in child rearing get recycled... the topic of vaccinations will be debated for years and years to come.  This concept of not vaccinating is new in the grand scheme of things. 

Who gives half an actual fluck if you discussed vaccinations while we were pregnant... it doesn't make the discussion any less valid.  And people come on here and biatchhh about topics being stupid and mundane and boring but then there are other topics that are too heated to discuss... so what is that goddamn sweet spot that would give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

Do you go on the tri-boards and preachbitch at the first tri ladies for talking about hearing heartbeats or having morning sickness... or the 3-6 month board about weaning off the swaddle... or the 6-9 month board about starting solids... Because those topics are brought up every.freaking.day...

 

My theory is that it's a hot button topic that makes people mad, so why discuss it?  Like politics or religion.  And why would I go to the tri boards since I'm not pregnant?  As for the montly boards, I don't care about those either.  This was my last chance for coming to TB but this board has become mundane and annoying. All that is discussed is boring sh*t (for the 5 posts that are acutally put up a day).   

SoonToBeMsP

michnthecity:

Just curious if anyone on here actually has a medical background (ie pediatrician) as opposed to sitting around and googling things and proclaiming to know what is really going on...yeah, that's right.  No one.

Well... I actually work in vaccine research , but I am staying out of it.  

michnthecity

HilarityEnsued:

SoonToBeMsP:

michnthecity:

Just curious if anyone on here actually has a medical background (ie pediatrician) as opposed to sitting around and googling things and proclaiming to know what is really going on...yeah, that's right.  No one.

Well... I actually work in vaccine research , but I am staying out of it.  

I would definitely be interested in your take... or at least the science behind any of it... but I do get why you'd steer clear...

 

SmittyPants

FarmBoysWife:

HilarityEnsued:

bpwife&mama:

HilarityEnsued:

The human race has been around long before we conceived our babies last year... so it's really not that outrageous that topics in child rearing get recycled... the topic of vaccinations will be debated for years and years to come.  This concept of not vaccinating is new in the grand scheme of things. 

Who gives half an actual fluck if you discussed vaccinations while we were pregnant... it doesn't make the discussion any less valid.  And people come on here and biatchhh about topics being stupid and mundane and boring but then there are other topics that are too heated to discuss... so what is that goddamn sweet spot that would give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

Do you go on the tri-boards and preachbitch at the first tri ladies for talking about hearing heartbeats or having morning sickness... or the 3-6 month board about weaning off the swaddle... or the 6-9 month board about starting solids... Because those topics are brought up every.freaking.day...

 

My theory is that it's a hot button topic that makes people mad, so why discuss it?  Like politics or religion.  And why would I go to the tri boards since I'm not pregnant?  As for the montly boards, I don't care about those either.  This was my last chance for coming to TB but this board has become mundane and annoying. All that is discussed is boring sh*t (for the 5 posts that are acutally put up a day).   

So again... what's the sweet spot?  What is interesting enough to talk about that isn't mundane and also not too sensitive? 

New topics? and not like piddly *** maybe?  I lurk on Dec and their stuff is way more exciting most times. Its mundane, but still something most people can relate to. I can relate the the 5 posts a day about something I can learn in 2.5 seconds on google. 

If you don't like the topics being discussed, start one that you would like to see discussed.  It's that simple.

People bitching and moaning about the topics on this board, when they themselves never bother to start new topics, is like listening to someone who doesn't vote complain about the government.

If you don't like it, change it. If you're not going to change it, then shut the fluck up about it.  

fyrefairie

oh, smitty....

namara5532

We aren't meant to be the top of entertainment.  We're a pregnancy board turned baby board.  We're going to gripe about MILs, compare notes on solids, and rehash topics on parenting.  For one thing, there are people around who weren't around during pregnancy who don't necessarily want to dig up the old threads.  For another, some of us are actually curious about each other and how we're handling certain difficulties we're all going through with young babies.  If those kind of threads aren't enough for you, you're in the wrong place.

I applaud the intent of this thread.  I'm all for seeing why people make the choices they do in parenting because it gives me an other perspective to compare to what I'm doing.  I figured it was going to turn into a flame-fest one way or another, but not everyone here got to voice their opinions when the first thread about this went up during pregnancy.

KitKat83

SmittyPants:

FarmBoysWife:

HilarityEnsued:

bpwife&mama:

HilarityEnsued:

The human race has been around long before we conceived our babies last year... so it's really not that outrageous that topics in child rearing get recycled... the topic of vaccinations will be debated for years and years to come.  This concept of not vaccinating is new in the grand scheme of things. 

Who gives half an actual fluck if you discussed vaccinations while we were pregnant... it doesn't make the discussion any less valid.  And people come on here and biatchhh about topics being stupid and mundane and boring but then there are other topics that are too heated to discuss... so what is that goddamn sweet spot that would give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

Do you go on the tri-boards and preachbitch at the first tri ladies for talking about hearing heartbeats or having morning sickness... or the 3-6 month board about weaning off the swaddle... or the 6-9 month board about starting solids... Because those topics are brought up every.freaking.day...

 

My theory is that it's a hot button topic that makes people mad, so why discuss it?  Like politics or religion.  And why would I go to the tri boards since I'm not pregnant?  As for the montly boards, I don't care about those either.  This was my last chance for coming to TB but this board has become mundane and annoying. All that is discussed is boring sh*t (for the 5 posts that are acutally put up a day).   

So again... what's the sweet spot?  What is interesting enough to talk about that isn't mundane and also not too sensitive? 

New topics? and not like piddly *** maybe?  I lurk on Dec and their stuff is way more exciting most times. Its mundane, but still something most people can relate to. I can relate the the 5 posts a day about something I can learn in 2.5 seconds on google. 

If you don't like the topics being discussed, start one that you would like to see discussed.  It's that simple.

People bitching and moaning about the topics on this board, when they themselves never bother to start new topics, is like listening to someone who doesn't vote complain about the government.

If you don't like it, change it. If you're not going to change it, then shut the fluck up about it.  

I agree Smitty!  You all act like you're forced to read and discuss something like someone's holding a freaking gun to your head!  If you don't like these posts, don't read them! It seems like the same people who are forever bitching about how boring it is are the same ones bitching every time someone makes a post!  Then we hear all the "these posts are why I don't come to the bump anymore" whining buIlshit!  Well get the *** out then of you don't like it! Don't trip over one of the "pathetic" posts on your way out!