No more rear-facing for us...

newmomat33 · July 2012

LO's feet are pressing against the back of the seat. She is definitely going to be tall like us. Anyone else has turned the seats forward?

LollyBug18 · July 2012

Emma's feet touch the back of the seat. We won't be turning her around for quite some time though.

cvl105 · July 2012

just because her feet are touching the seat doesn't mean she is 1) uncomfortable and 2) should be turned around. Children are VERY comfortable crossing their legs or resting them up on the back seat. I would highly suggest you do more research before turning her around. She is MUCH safer rear facing.

mamarazzi528 · July 2012

LollyBug18:
Emma's feet touch the back of the seat. We won't be turning her around for quite some time though.

Yes

You can still rear-face them when their feet touch the seat.

nfrtny · July 2012

Coles feet are pressing against he seat. He doesn't care. We won't turn him til he's two, or screaming and yelling about being in the car

ladybug122 · July 2012

LollyBug18:
Emma's feet touch the back of the seat. We won't be turning her around for quite some time though.

This for us too

newmomat33 · July 2012

cvl105:
just because her feet are touching the seat doesn't mean she is 1) uncomfortable and 2) should be turned around. Children are VERY comfortable crossing their legs or resting them up on the back seat. I would highly suggest you do more research before turning her around. She is MUCH safer rear facing.

Actually, I have done some research and the most recent research I read stated that some of the research that supports leaving a child rear-facing until 2 is based on older modeled cars and car seats. It states that going forward from year 2000 models, most cars are equipped with an attachment mounting in the rear seat area for a tether strap, which is an adjustable strap attached to the upper back of the forward facing child safety seat. When properly used, a top tether strap reduces the risk of injusy by limiting the movement of a child's head in a forward crash. The top tether attachments can be bought for newer seats. It also states that rear-facing is not effective in a rear-end car crash.

At the end of the day, I think we will all do what we feel is best for our LOs. Thanks for the responses.

MommaG123 · July 2012

Nope. Her feet hit the seat too and she just crosses them or rests them higher up on the seat.

After watching the video on FF vs RF there is no way I will FF until absolutely necessary, as in hopefully not until she reaches the weight limit.

nfrtny · July 2012

newmomat33:
cvl105:
just because her feet are touching the seat doesn't mean she is 1) uncomfortable and 2) should be turned around. Children are VERY comfortable crossing their legs or resting them up on the back seat. I would highly suggest you do more research before turning her around. She is MUCH safer rear facing.

Actually, I have done some research and the most recent research I read stated that some of the research that supports leaving a child rear-facing until 2 is based on older modeled cars and car seats. It states that going forward from year 2000 models, most cars are equipped with an attachment mounting in the rear seat area for a tether strap, which is an adjustable strap attached to the upper back of the forward facing child safety seat. When properly used, a top tether strap red
uces the risk of injusy by limiting the movement of a child's head in a forward crash. The top tether attachments can be bought for newer seats. It also states that rear-facing is not effective in a rear-end car crash.

At the end of the day, I think we will all do what we feel is best for our LOs. Thanks for the responses.

Can you point me in the direction of that research? Not trying to be b!itchy. I'm legit interested

OpheliaChem · July 2012

newmomat33:

Actually, I have done some research and the most recent research I read stated that some of the research that supports leaving a child rear-facing until 2 is based on older modeled cars and car seats. It states that going forward from year 2000 models, most cars are equipped with an attachment mounting in the rear seat area for a tether strap, which is an adjustable strap attached to the upper back of the forward facing child safety seat. When properly used, a top tether strap reduces the risk of injusy by limiting the movement of a child's head in a forward crash. The top tether attachments can be bought for newer seats. It also states that rear-facing is not effective in a rear-end car crash.

At the end of the day, I think we will all do what we feel is best for our LOs. Thanks for the responses.

I was sort of ignorant about the latest research and the ladies of June '11 pointed me in the right direction. That being said, the laws of physics don't lie. If you are in a head-on crash, the energy of that collision is transferred from one car (or object) to another and inevitably through your car. Cars are designed to absorb the impact of a crash so that the humans inside of the car don't have to. In a rear-end crash, one car is either stopped or both cars are moving in the same direction, which means the energy is transferred forward, the same direction that your care was going anyway. The impact on your car is much less than in a head-on crash. I think it would be difficult to find an accident in which a read-end crash was more severe than a head-on. Thus, the need to RF.

I haven't heard about any research suggesting newer cars are safer FF because the most recent research is what prompted the AAP to suggest RFing until age 2. Even if the top part of a FFing car seat is tethered (which I think is what you are explaining), your LO can still absorb the impact of the crash. I'm not sure how the child's head would move less, as you said. In fact, I would think the impact would be more severe. Why? Because the car seat isn't moving. If the car seat doesn't move, the energy goes from the car through the car seat to your baby. Think about a bridge...if you've ever stopped on a bridge, you probably feel it moving. That's because the bridge is transferring the mechanical energy throughout the bridge. If the bridge didn't move, the materials that make up the bridge would fail in no time at all from the weight of the cars on it. Same with a car...when you have a crash, if your car didn't absorb the majority of the impact (thus smashing your car), YOU would absorb the impact. If the FFing car seat didn't move, your baby would absorb the impact of that crash, throwing his/her head forward. Ouch. Like I said, I was in the same boat as you where I thought LO would be uncomfortable with her legs crunched against the seat. But I was wrong. And thanks to TB, I'm on board with RFing until at least age 2.

newmomat33 · July 2012

nfrtny:
newmomat33:

cvl105:
just because her feet are touching the seat doesn't mean she is 1) uncomfortable and 2) should be turned around. Children are VERY comfortable crossing their legs or resting them up on the back seat. I would highly suggest you do more research before turning her around. She is MUCH safer rear facing.

Actually, I have done some research and the most recent research I read stated that some of the research that supports leaving a child rear-facing until 2 is based on older modeled cars and car seats. It states that going forward from year 2000 models, most cars are equipped with an attachment mounting in the rear seat area for a tether strap, which is an adjustable strap attached to the upper back of the forward facing child safety seat. When properly used, a top tether strap red

uces the risk of injusy by limiting the movement of a child's head in a forward crash. The top tether attachments can be bought for newer seats. It also states that rear-facing is not effective in a rear-end car crash.

At the end of the day, I think we will all do what we feel is best for our LOs. Thanks for the responses.

Can you point me in the direction of that research? Not trying to be b!itchy. I'm legit interested

I actually got it at her 1 year appointment. The website on the document is www.choa.org. I have no issues with providing the source of the info. I think our board has been great about being open to other info, whether we agree or not.

DaisyJanie · July 2012

That document is from 2010. The AAP changed their recommendation within the last year.

nfrtny · July 2012

I can't even find it. All I can find on there is that rear facing is best

kari11w · July 2012

We turned DD around already. I had a 4 hour+ drive to see family and I was not about to have her crabby the whole way. She doesn't like to be stuck in the car and is quite vocal about it.

JsMama11 · July 2012

DH is 6'5", I am 5'10" and J is currently 35" tall......we are a bunch of giants but he is absolutely still facing back. His feet touch the seat but he is no where near uncomfy. Even if he was I wouldn't turn him yet.

I typically butt out of these convos but this is an especially potentially dangerous choice....are you sure you want to risk it to avoid a little discomfort?

OpheliaChem · July 2012

JsMama11:
DH is 6'5", I am 5'10" and J is currently 35" tall......we are a bunch of giants but he is absolutely still facing back. His feet touch the seat but he is no where near uncomfy. Even if he was I wouldn't turn him yet.
I typically butt out of these convos but this is an especially potentially dangerous choice....are you sure you want to risk it to avoid a little discomfort?

Wow! My DD is 27" but I'm 5'0" and DH is 5'5".

mrsmullins0500 · July 2012

JsMama11:
DH is 6'5", I am 5'10" and J is currently 35" tall......we are a bunch of giants but he is absolutely still facing back. His feet touch the seat but he is no where near uncomfy. Even if he was I wouldn't turn him yet.
I typically butt out of these convos but this is an especially potentially dangerous choice....are you sure you want to risk it to avoid a little discomfort?

my LO is long like yours and he doesn't look uncomforatable at all either. He actually sleeps with his legs further up in the seat. It's so cute!

gymnst1013 · July 2012

Would you prefer a broken leg or a broken neck?

CarlaAndJames · July 2012

I know you prob get the point and don't want to hear it anymore, but I wanted to add that the danger isn't the movement of the seat but the movement of their heads in a crash. A tether doesn't strap their head to the seat, so they risk internal decapitation in a crash. I know many 3 year olds rear facing, they just bend their knees. No biggie.

magnoliablossom00 · July 2012

JsMama11:
DH is 6'5", I am 5'10" and J is currently 35" tall......we are a bunch of giants but he is absolutely still facing back. His feet touch the seat but he is no where near uncomfy. Even if he was I wouldn't turn him yet.
I typically butt out of these convos but this is an especially potentially dangerous choice....are you sure you want to risk it to avoid a little discomfort?

Dh is 6'4 and I'm 5'11. LO is 33in and her feet have touched for quite some time. We just let her cross her legs.

klv · July 2012

Upwards of 70% of car crashes involve front end collisions. So while RF is less effective in a rear end crash, those types of collisions happen much less frequently and with much less force. The teather prevents the seat from moving, not your baby's head.

Turtle143 · July 2012

Not until she's 2

kaitylin · July 2012

All the articles I can find on the link you provided suggested staying rear facing longer than one year old.

Here are the two articles I saw - I'd be interested in seeing what you are talking about...

https://www.choa.org/sitecore/content/gcha/home/child-health-glossary-testing/b/br/bringing-your-baby-home

https://www.choa.org/child-health-glossary/a/au/auto-safety_kh_parent

The Auto Safety handout specifically says "many of the convertible seats on the market allow a child to remain rear-facing up to 30 to 35 pounds (14 to 16 kilograms). It is recommended that you keep the seat rear facing for as long as the instructions allow."

Ultimately it's your choice but I would rather my DD be a bit uncomfortable but safe rather than putting her at risk. I know my DD would LOVE to turn forward facing- she hates the car and her feet are pushed against the seat too but I feel this is just one of those things where it's not worth the risk and she's just going to have to figure out how to get comfortable.

MouseInLux · July 2012

RF car seats are always safest followed by tge "new" ones out in Europe with the impact pillow thing instead of a harnes, a FF seat with a top teather then a normal FF seat. In sweeden they RF until 4, they've dine this since the '60's I believe and have the lowest child mortality rates in the workd incar crashes! Check out the blog on sweedishcarseats.com

MammaBear81 · July 2012

gymnst1013:
Would you prefer a broken leg or a broken neck?

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

newmomat33 · July 2012

MammaBear81:

gymnst1013:
Would you prefer a broken leg or a broken neck?

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sunidaze · July 2012

newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

gymnst1013:
Would you prefer a broken leg or a broken neck?

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

It is not that people aren't valuing your opinion...but trying to find a way to get through to you with your daughter's safety being the motivation behind what everyone has said.

just kita · July 2012

Our LO's feet have been touching for a while. It's NBD, he seems very comfortable!

MammaBear81 · July 2012

newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

courtneyjean7 · July 2012

MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

newmomat33 · July 2012

courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

kimbo1216 · July 2012

newmomat33:
Actually, I have done some research and the most recent research I read stated that some of the research that supports leaving a child rear-facing until 2 is based on older modeled cars and car seats.

Have you watched this video? If not, I highly recommend doing so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gU9zzCGA8

courtneyjean7 · July 2012

newmomat33:
courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

Yes

MammaBear81 · July 2012

newmomat33:
courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

Actually, being hypocritical would be judging you harshly for making the uninformed decision but doing the same thing myself, and since I don't take one persons word as the end all be all and do my own research I'm not being hypocritical.

The fact that you wanted to FF your child is not actually what bothers me. It's the fact that you came on here, not asking a question, but posting that you were FF your child, cited out of date and incorrect information, and took your pedi's advice about a safety issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you changed your mind and will RF longer, but if you came on here, said "I've done the research and although I know it's not recommended, we are deciding to FF our LO" I would have said, "NMS, but to each his own"- that is an informed decision that I'd disagree with but respect.

And yes, I'm scared for any child that has parents who choose to be uninformed, on any parenting topic.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the word you were looking for was stereotypical, in which I was basing your entire parenting ability on one thread (which I wasn't). I said IF this is how you make your parenting decisions then I'd be scared for your LO, sorry for the confusion.

nfrtny · July 2012

courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

I agree. It's very over the top to say your scared for her child. So she read something, thought she was going to do something based on that, then came on here, talked about it, and decided something different. She changed her mind... There's no need to gang up on her.

Posting on these boards is a way to get informed. There are MANY things that I wouldn't have known if it weren't for posting on reading on the bump. We should support one another, encourage one another, and share information with one another. Not bully one another because we have all made mistakes. We have all read things wrong, and we have all changed our minds.

gymnst1013 · July 2012

courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:

This, DS3 (1 year and 25 pounds) and DD2 (2 1/2) are still RFing and will be until they hit the limits on the seat. Maybe it's because I totaled a car before in my life, but you wouldn't imagine what your body goes through in a crash like that. I hope no one experiences that, but that's what the seat is for "just in case".

Yes, this board is very open with parenting decision weather we agree with you or not, but when you base your decision on information that is out of date (your link is from 2010, and the more recent info on said link says to stay RFing) then I guess we feel the need to let you know that you are making a choice based on the wrong info. Do what you want, but don't "justify" it by saying it's the right thing to do.

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

It's a major safety issue. MAJOR. I judge people who FF without a compelling reason before 2 years old too.

dannie2011 · July 2012

This is only directed to the research article. That article is full of lies.

I had my older kids in the early 90's. I know for a fact that tether straps came with car seats and the cars as far back as the late 80's had anchors for the straps. Maybe some cars didn't since I did not own every type of car, but all the cars I've ever been in or walked by had the anchors. The anchors could be bought and have a mechanic install them for you if needed. They told us to make sure you installed it right and that meant using the tether strap, the car seat instructions had warnings saying serious injury could occur if you did not use the tether.

I would be very upset at my pedi's office/hospital for allowing a article that has zero credible research behind it on their website.

Oh and the car seat that I had at least did not rear face, I don't think any of my friends/family had rear facing seats unless they still used the infant seat. Which was good till the child was about 2. I can't remember the weight limit but since my kids are about 2 years a part that is how long they stayed rear facing in the infant seat.

Another thing my kids are big, all 3 of my boys as well over 6 feet and 2 are still growing, my girls so far are smaller but Alexis is far from done :P

newmomat33 · July 2012

MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

Actually, being hypocritical would be judging you harshly for making the uninformed decision but doing the same thing myself, and since I don't take one persons word as the end all be all and do my own research I'm not being hypocritical.

The fact that you wanted to FF your child is not actually what bothers me. It's the fact that you came on here, not asking a question, but posting that you were FF your child, cited out of date and incorrect information, and took your pedi's advice about a safety issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you changed your mind and will RF longer, but if you came on here, said "I've done the research and although I know it's not recommended, we are deciding to FF our LO" I would have said, "NMS, but to each his own"- that is an informed decision that I'd disagree with but respect.

And yes, I'm scared for any child that has parents who choose to be uninformed, on any parenting topic.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the word you were looking for was stereotypical, in which I was basing your entire parenting ability on one thread (which I wasn't). I said IF this is how you make your parenting decisions then I'd be scared for your LO, sorry for the confusion.

I meant exactly what I said, you're a hypocrite. You stated that I am making parenting decisions based on one article and you are judging me based on one thread. Hold your hypocritical ways accountable! It's people like you that make this board complete drama! I feel sorry for your family, having such a judgemental hypocrite living in the house. Unless my decisions directly impact your family, you have no right to attack me. I'm so over this thread and I really wish you would get a life and move on...

MammaBear81 · July 2012

newmomat33:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

Actually, being hypocritical would be judging you harshly for making the uninformed decision but doing the same thing myself, and since I don't take one persons word as the end all be all and do my own research I'm not being hypocritical.

The fact that you wanted to FF your child is not actually what bothers me. It's the fact that you came on here, not asking a question, but posting that you were FF your child, cited out of date and incorrect information, and took your pedi's advice about a safety issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you changed your mind and will RF longer, but if you came on here, said "I've done the research and although I know it's not recommended, we are deciding to FF our LO" I would have said, "NMS, but to each his own"- that is an informed decision that I'd disagree with but respect.

And yes, I'm scared for any child that has parents who choose to be uninformed, on any parenting topic.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the word you were looking for was stereotypical, in which I was basing your entire parenting ability on one thread (which I wasn't). I said IF this is how you make your parenting decisions then I'd be scared for your LO, sorry for the confusion.

I meant exactly what I said, you're a hypocrite. You stated that I am making parenting decisions based on one article and you are judging me based on one thread. Hold your hypocritical ways accountable! It's people like you that make this board complete drama! I feel sorry for your family, having such a judgemental hypocrite living in the house. Unless my decisions directly impact your family, you have no right to attack me. I'm so over this thread and I really wish you would get a life and move on...

"Hypocrite... a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings" (Websters online dictionary, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite)

That would be the definition of a hypocrite (and my link isn't from 2010). My children, under the age of 3, are RFing therefore I am not a hypocrite.

I do love how you are aggravated with me for judging you over one post, yet you just made a decision about my life, and family based on this post alone, that is the personification of a hypocrite.

newmomat33 · July 2012

MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:
courtneyjean7:
MammaBear81:
newmomat33:

I never stated that it was the right thing to do, please re-read my posts. As always, I value everyone's opinion (even if mine's isn't) and at the end of the day, we will all do what we feel is best for our child. With that being said, we are going to leave her rear-facing a little longer. Thanks for the responses ladies!

Sorry, I took the title of your post, "no more RFing for us" added your original post of "LO's feet are touching the back of the seat" and topped it off with your response of the "new information" about FF (that in fact was over 2 years old, which makes me believe that you didn't read it at all and just took your pedi's information on something that is a safety issue, not a medical one) and I guess I "assumed" that you were FFing because that is what you felt was the right choice (I don't see why you would do it if you felt it was the wrong choice, but whatever).

I'm sorry, but If ONE LINK from a pediatrician makes your decision about any parenting choice for you, then I'm scared for your LO. You don't have to agree with anyone, but you do need to be informed, and that is your job as a parent.

This is not cool. She kept her DD rear facing past 1 year, which is the law. Anything past 1 year is not the law, it is a recommendation. For you to say that you are "scared for her LO" is NOT okay; you are bashing her parenting. If she had her DD forward facing at 6 months then maybe you would have the right to judge her, but you do not have the right to judge her for following the law. If you have different views on what you believe to be the right thing that is fine, disagreements are bound to happen; thank you for informing her about what you feel is right, but for you to bash her parenting is wrong.

Thank you! I am an excellent parent and the fact that you are judging me based on one thread very hypocritical. Moving on...

Actually, being hypocritical would be judging you harshly for making the uninformed decision but doing the same thing myself, and since I don't take one persons word as the end all be all and do my own research I'm not being hypocritical.

The fact that you wanted to FF your child is not actually what bothers me. It's the fact that you came on here, not asking a question, but posting that you were FF your child, cited out of date and incorrect information, and took your pedi's advice about a safety issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you changed your mind and will RF longer, but if you came on here, said "I've done the research and although I know it's not recommended, we are deciding to FF our LO" I would have said, "NMS, but to each his own"- that is an informed decision that I'd disagree with but respect.

And yes, I'm scared for any child that has parents who choose to be uninformed, on any parenting topic.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the word you were looking for was stereotypical, in which I was basing your entire parenting ability on one thread (which I wasn't). I said IF this is how you make your parenting decisions then I'd be scared for your LO, sorry for the confusion.

I meant exactly what I said, you're a hypocrite. You stated that I am making parenting decisions based on one article and you are judging me based on one thread. Hold your hypocritical ways accountable! It's people like you that make this board complete drama! I feel sorry for your family, having such a judgemental hypocrite living in the house. Unless my decisions directly impact your family, you have no right to attack me. I'm so over this thread and I really wish you would get a life and move on...

"Hypocrite... a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings" (Websters online dictionary, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite)

That would be the definition of a hypocrite (and my link isn't from 2010). My children, under the age of 3, are RFing therefore I am not a hypocrite.

I do love how you are aggravated with me for judging you over one post, yet you just made a decision about my life, and family based on this post alone, that is the personification of a hypocrite.

Any person that has 5 children and that is a Bump bully is obviously a loser. Get a life...

bunnymama625 · July 2012

I'm coming out of lurkerdom b/c this thread is kind of cracking me up

A basic google search will show you that you should keep your kids rear facing until at least 2. I'm really glad you changed your mind. This is why boards like this are great, b/c people can lead you to some great information really quickly.

What I'm side eying you for is your statements since then- "get a life"? "obviously a loser"? "I feel sorry for your family"? You are way, way out of line, and have crossed into being seriously rude and immature.

I know it sucks to feel attacked, but there is no excuse for getting nasty.

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