Natural Birth

any experiences with nubain/stadol?

I don't know if that counts as "natural" but it does to me anyway. I am really praying to not have an epidural (which I had with my first child) for about a million reasons and I am a little nervous about it. I was wondering if anyone tried these drugs to help prevent getting an epidural and if they had side effects?

I'm glad we have this board b/c I like hearing people's experiences to give me the confidence I can do it!

Re: any experiences with nubain/stadol?

  • I have no experience, haven't given birth yet :)  But I thought this article was reallly informative in terms of how painkillers/epidurals, etc. affect your body's natural release of hormones during labor/birth.

    https://www.sarahjbuckley.com/articles/ecstatic-birth.htm

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    I'm sure a bunch of people will jump in to disagree but I have never heard good things about Stadol and other similar drugs.

    I used to work as a doula and whenever a client of mine got it, they would all say that it didn't actually take pain away, it just made them feel drugged.  And once the dosage wore off in 1-2 hours, they were almost always told they couldn't have another one because it was affecting the baby's heartrate.  IV narcotics depress heartrate and respiration in the baby, so you cannot take it for too long or too close to the birth--it increases the chances of your baby having problems breathing at birth.  So in most of the cases, the moms ended up getting an epidural once their dose of Stadol had worn off.

    I'm sure there are circumstances where they are helpful but in general I have hesitations about them. 

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  • I was given Stadol with DS before I had an epidural and I HATED it with a passion.  It made it 10 time harder to work through contractions, I felt sick, I felt unattached, and it was just gross.

    They tried to give me morphine with DD but it did nothing, I don't react to morphine.

  • imageiris427:

    I'm sure a bunch of people will jump in to disagree but I have never heard good things about Stadol and other similar drugs.

    I used to work as a doula and whenever a client of mine got it, they would all say that it didn't actually take pain away, it just made them feel drugged.  And once the dosage wore off in 1-2 hours, they were almost always told they couldn't have another one because it was affecting the baby's heartrate.  IV narcotics depress heartrate and respiration in the baby, so you cannot take it for too long or too close to the birth--it increases the chances of your baby having problems breathing at birth.  So in most of the cases, the moms ended up getting an epidural once their dose of Stadol had worn off.

    I'm sure there are circumstances where they are helpful but in general I have hesitations about them. 

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  • When I had my first son, they forced some shot one me.  I think it may have been one of those two, but I don't think they ever told me.  I got to the hospital, they saw I was in pretty hard labor, and matter of factly asked me to show cheek so they could take the edge off.  Never actually asked me.  They did it again closer to the birth.  I really don't feel like it did anything...I was still in hard labor, and using my best memory, I don't think it was any different than my second completely drug free labor.

    But I guess no real complaints...I don't remember feeling bad, just annoyed later that I was forced to not have a drug free birth even though I don't think it helped.  Even though I was able to completely avoid meds the second time, that memory is one of the reasons I'm so glad to have a doula this time.  DH was worried about me, so of course he didn't argue with the words "take the edge off".  I love him, but he can be a wimp.

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  • I didn't have the stadol to help prevent getting an epidural.  I had an epidural during labor, which I HATED with a passion (I won't be getting it this time).  After DD was born she was taken to the nursery.  DH went with her.  They said my pain tolerance was really low (uhm...wtf?  they had turned off my epi long before the pushing so I felt everything and dealt!), so they gave me stadol for the stitching up. 

    I guess it was a combo of things, but I hated how groggy/lethargic I felt from the stadol.  Plus, after I was stitched up everyone left the room and my DH and DD were still in the nursery.  I was alone and could hardly move I was so drugged out.  It was awful. 

    Note that narcotics do go into your blood stream and can make the baby lethargic.  If you need pain killer, I would get the epi instead.  Personally, I'm not getting any this time - I hated them.

  • My childbirth instructor said nubain and stadol get into your blood stream and will affect the baby, which could make it harder to breastfeed in the first few hours after giving birth (because baby will basically be drugged). An epidural doesn't do that. However, you can get up and walk around while on narcotics, not an epi.
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  • I had stadol / demerol with my first DS, it did nothing to stop the pain, made me nauseous and vomit, and kicked in about half an hour before I gave birth, so by the time DS came out, I didn't remember a thing cause I was so loopy. 

    Will NOT get it again.

    Morphine did nothing either, although I had no side effects with it.

    This time I plan to go with nothing, it's just the same. 

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  • I had nubain during transition after a long labor with DS2.  I don't regret it.  I was enough to take the edge off and I was able to rest in preparation for pushing.  Yes I did feel drugged but neither me or DS had any issues breastfeeding within the first 1/2 hour after he was born.

     

    I preferred it to the epidural I had for DS1 because since my blood pressure was already low, the epi made the baby's heart rate drop and they almost had to do a c-section.  Plus I did not like not being able to move once the epi was in.

     

    Next time around, I would love to go without anything, but would not be opposed to nubain again. 

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    imageiris427:

    I'm sure a bunch of people will jump in to disagree but I have never heard good things about Stadol and other similar drugs.

    I used to work as a doula and whenever a client of mine got it, they would all say that it didn't actually take pain away, it just made them feel drugged. 

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    I didn't use them, but I have heard this about Stadol from more than one person who has.

  • I will make a very long story short. At 42 weeks I was induced. After 12hours of labor I had yet to dilate even to 1. The nurse gave me stadol hoping that it would help my body to relax and dilate. Instead it knocked me completely out. When I came around an hour later the nurse was explaining to me that I needed an emergency c-section. I spent the next 4 hours drugged out of my senses. It was similar to when you drink too much and you only remember glimpses of what went on. I have some things that I remember and others that I don't. Unfortunately I don't remember a lot about LOs arrival. Oh and it never took the pain away or even dulled it.

    DH said that LO was very aware of everything when she was born and that she latched on with the first try, all things that I don't remember.

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    I had nubain during transition after a long labor with DS2.  I don't regret it.  I was enough to take the edge off and I was able to rest in preparation for pushing.  Yes I did feel drugged but neither me or DS had any issues breastfeeding within the first 1/2 hour after he was born.

     

    Late to the party, but this was my experience exactly.  What I remember most about having the Nubain was that I was in a very blissful sleep in between contractions (like hitting the snooze bar when the alarm goes off at 4:30am...) but it still hurt like hell.  It allowed me to relax enough to progress because my labor was very long and while I was contracting, I was not dilating.  The midwife only gave me enough to keep me this way a few hours, and once it was time to push I was wide awake and not groggy at all.  I mentioned it in my birth plan that I would take it again if the situation warranted.

  • i am really not trying to be snarky AT ALL, but in no way does no epidural = natural childbirth.

    The use of any IV painmeds is not considered natural, IMO. I am totally not putting down your plans for your labor (it is YOUR labor, and i think its great that you are taking control of it and planning it the way YOU want it), but please don't call it "natural".

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    i am really not trying to be snarky AT ALL, but in no way does no epidural = natural childbirth.

    The use of any IV painmeds is not considered natural, IMO. I am totally not putting down your plans for your labor (it is YOUR labor, and i think its great that you are taking control of it and planning it the way YOU want it), but please don't call it "natural".

     

    This.  Nubain and Stadol are not part of a natural labor.  It is totally fine if you don't want a natural labor.  It is a very personal decision.  Just don't think you are having anything close to a natural labor if you are using narcotics.  

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