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Maybe I'm being judgmental but...
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Re: Maybe I'm being judgmental but...
Yep I single handily caused the economic crash. Yep, sure don't. Think it is BS that had a bought a nicer home and lost 50k they would have given me the money..that is my issue. My issue is that if I had a loss and did the smart thing and you bought a house you counld't afford then you should have one as well! And I don't think saying I wouldn't have sold my house was whiny, and we are happy renters these days as well and will continue to be. Not because of the loss on the house, but because we spent all of our free family time working on that house and would like to have what little family time we do have to not fix up a house we will then have to sell 3 years later.
Back to the store's place in this.
If this was a CVS (one of my former clients), I can tell you that for the most part, they don't do anything unless it fits underneath the CVS Branding Platform: "For all the ways you care."
What does this mean?
Well, CVS is a store whose main target is women and women with families. Their marketing focuses on all the ways women go above and beyond to care for themselves and their families. When they sat around the marketing table and discussed the ways they could make the EBT thing fit in with their strategy, the conversation more than likely went like this:
"Hey, let's let moms know that they can use their EBT for Easter candy so that their kids can have a nice Easter this year."
"awesome."
Advertising the ability to buy easter candy with foodstamps is absolutely in line with that platform. And again, once the Easter season is over, those shelf strips will move to other departments like the baby aisle to market formula (probably CVS's proprietary brands) and milk and eggs etc.
So, ECM, if those signs are still up next month, let us know. I don't do CVS stuff any more, but you CAN complain to management that their store doesn't seem to be in compliance with "All the ways you care" platform if they aren't marking the milk cooler and baby aisle for the EBT elligible items there. You'll scare the hell out of that manager for sure.
It is the sp system on this computer and I just fly through it and post. It is a post on the bump not a term paper
I still can't understand a thing you're saying. Learn how to structure a sentence and then we can debate the merits of your bitterness.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
Well thank god for that. Though your syntax and sentence structure suck too.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
again not a term paper and could really care less when posting on a board but that is just me
interesting!!! I was very tempted to say something to the manager when I saw it... I do wish I would have. I hadn't been in that particular store before - I just ran in for Q-tips since I was in the shopping center for other stuff. I'm sorta tempted to check back since easter is the last candy holiday til halloween. I wonder if the v-day candy also had these tags?
can formula be bought on foodstamps??? I was in the baby aisle and saw no such tags anywhere there and was looking at prices (just for mental notes for the future!) so it would have stood out to me. I know jarred baby food wasn't labeled and that is covered by EBT- I know that for sure.
I don't remember which chain it was. It was like a CVS or Walgreens or Brookes or Rite aid - they all have red signs! I should see which chain then look in their other stores to see if they are doing the same or if it was poor judgment of the management there (or an employee assigned to the task).
thanks so much for the info!!!
Actually Realtor is a proper noun. So it should be left capitalized.
If you want to appear coherent, and have your opinions successfully comprehended by others, you should care.
Oh, that's good - because half the time you make no sense at all, so it's a relief that you don't care that you can't get a point across. Unless there was a point to I am glad you are cool with selling your grandchildren money off before you even know who they are. and "My issue is that if I had a loss and did the smart thing and you bought a house you counld't afford then you should have one as well!"
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
this debate was that draining? that explains a lot.
also, some Rx drugs show up on drug tests. unless they are only testing for certain issues people prescribed benzos and other drugs might be flagged too.
and you can't weed out everyone this way. plenty of people DO abuse Rx drugs. it's a separate issue, but I just wanted to point it out.
You shouldn't have posted this on 2nd tri. I just peed my pants.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
*grabs SBP's other hand*
WTF? Why on earth should Realtor be capitalized and not lawyer? Or is "lawyer" a proper noun too? If it is, I'd really love to know so I can tell my law firm to rewrite their website.
I'm sorry, I'm kind of offended by this. I feel like I made 3 very well-thought out points that were not driven by emotion nor did it "seethe" with bitterness or anger. I also included sources. Also, shouting out to my girl SBP who gave several statistical facts.
GAH! i'm just going to say it. You are SO stupid. And you are exactly what you hate about other people! It's ok for you to make a stupid decision (buying a house when you knew you would be moving in a short period of time, and you probably bought when it was plastered all over the news that the bubble was going to burst and the housing market was on the verge of crumbling) but if someone else makes a stupid decision, well damnthem all to hell!! Also, if you couldn't claim 8k because your property wasn't an investment property, how could you have claimed it if you lost 50k? It still wasn't an investment property.
All of this was an earlier post to The Bump maybe that is why a few of you are so lost in it. No, I could not have claimed the loss on 50k, but would have received a hand out from the Military Assistance program that would have paid the loss we took had we taken a larger loss. Yes, I have issue with this. I don't think anyone should get a hand out for anything. I would not have wanted to take the hand out, and probably would have just stayed where we were while my DH did his tour else where and then moved back. With what my DH does it is very easy to stay at the same location throughout your career so we had planned to do that, or to get out of the service all together and stay in the area. We decided not to stay at the location because either way we were going to lose. The housing market is not going anywhere anytime soon. The post on this was that I find it very idiotic and backwards that the gov't can make you claim a profit on a personal residence, however you can only claim a loss on an investment and I think that is crap. I also think that the gov't programs to bail a lot of these people out of their homes is crap as well.
I also don't think it was stupid to purchase a home. Do you own a home? If you do I am sure you love your home. You take pride in it. You like to fix it up and do things to it. You have memories there. My DH and I wanted a place that was ours just like everyone else, I don't think that was stupid. We also did not buy as the housing was coming down. Unfortunately we bought during the top of the bubble for our area in 2005. We were able to get a good deal, but also put a huge chunk of money down to have an affordable mortgage payment. One that we could make on 1 income. I don't think any of us on this board can say that we would have anticipated the crash of the housing marketing in the extreme that it has been, and 4 1/2 years ago when I bought the house and you knew my entire situation I don't think you would have thought it to be a stupid investment.
*throws petals*
All of this was an earlier post to The Bump maybe that is why a few of you are so lost in it. No, I could not have claimed the loss on 50k, but would have received a hand out from the Military Assistance program that would have paid the loss we took had we taken a larger loss. Yes, I have issue with this. I don't think anyone should get a hand out for anything. I would not have wanted to take the hand out, and probably would have just stayed where we were while my DH did his tour else where and then moved back. With what my DH does it is very easy to stay at the same location throughout your career so we had planned to do that, or to get out of the service all together and stay in the area. We decided not to stay at the location because either way we were going to lose. The housing market is not going anywhere anytime soon. The post on this was that I find it very idiotic and backwards that the gov't can make you claim a profit on a personal residence, however you can only claim a loss on an investment and I think that is crap. I also think that the gov't programs to bail a lot of these people out of their homes is crap as well.
I also don't think it was stupid to purchase a home. Do you own a home? If you do I am sure you love your home. You take pride in it. You like to fix it up and do things to it. You have memories there. My DH and I wanted a place that was ours just like everyone else, I don't think that was stupid. We also did not buy as the housing was coming down. Unfortunately we bought during the top of the bubble for our area in 2005. We were able to get a good deal, but also put a huge chunk of money down to have an affordable mortgage payment. One that we could make on 1 income. I don't think any of us on this board can say that we would have anticipated the crash of the housing marketing in the extreme that it has been, and 4 1/2 years ago when I bought the house and you knew my entire situation I don't think you would have thought it to be a stupid investment.
Why are you even complaining about this if you would not have even wanted the handout? It's just a matter of principle to you, then? And you have made your stance on people who "didn't prepare as well" as you perfectly clear, but you really don't think that people who are truly in need should get any kind of assistance? I'm honestly curious. It just seems kind of harsh. There are certain things like layoffs, illness, etc that people just can't plan for. I'm not naive enough to think that people don't cheat the system, but there really are people out there in need.
You don't have to pay capital gains taxes unless you make more than 500K on your personal property, which happens exceedingly rarely. Essentially, you don't have to claim a profit on your home. That you can take a deduction on a large loss - and not get dinged for a profit - is actually pretty damned fair if you ask me.
And also - that you bought at the top of the market is your own fault. Of course you could see a crash coming - maybe not as precipitously as it did - but there was no reason to assume that that the market would keep going up as quickly as it did.
We took a loss on our home too. It sucked, but we were moving 3000 miles for work and didn't want to rent it out. I would have loved to write of the loss and couldn't, but I don't think that as a result all social programs should be shut down.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
You don't have to pay capital gains taxes unless you make more than 500K on your personal property, which happens exceedingly rarely. Essentially, you don't have to claim a profit on your home. That you can take a deduction on a large loss - and not get dinged for a profit - is actually pretty damned fair if you ask me.
And also - that you bought at the top of the market is your own fault. Of course you could see a crash coming - maybe not as precipitously as it did - but there was no reason to assume that that the market would keep going up as quickly as it did.
We took a loss on our home too. It sucked, but we were moving 3000 miles for work and didn't want to rent it out. I would have loved to write of the loss and couldn't, but I don't think that as a result all social programs should be shut down.
I get the 500k thing, I just think if you have to claim it at any point, then you should get to claim a loss as well. Yes it did suck, and I think I have a right to be bitter about it. If you are not that is great, but at the same time I think my frustration is acceptable.
My 1st response to this thread said that I was all for helping people with needs and for needs. No I don't think even if you fall on hard times it should pay for extra, and to me easter basket candy is an extra you can go without. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I don't want to get rid of all social programs, I want there to be some reform with in them though. I worked for 3 years in an office that worked with those on a whole slew of social programs and it did make me very bitter. When you see people walk in with new bags, shoes, cars, etc that you know they paid for somehow, yet there they were to fill out and apply for their food stamps and they would get them. Yet a mom of 4 who had a full time job at McDonald's couldn't get approved becasue she made to much money. It all seems backwards to me. Some on this board will say that isn't very common, but I saw it on a daily basis. Just like the comment about the woman who paid for her wedding cake with EBT's. It may not be considered fraud, but it should. That is not what these programs are for. I would rather help people who are trying to help themselves, where as to me the system we have now just breads more people into the system and doesn't really help people get off and out of these programs.
Yes, I anticipated a crash, not of this magnitude which is why we decided to sell.
Seriously - how would you explain that to your 5 year old? That the economy is in the tank so the Easter Bunny no longer comes to your house?
Also - please go back and read some of the previous replies that give actual statistics as to the level of fraud in the system and the demographic of people who use EBT. Swimbikepuke and BrideJaye provided some really illuminating stats. Of course there is some misuse of the system - there is in ANY program - but it is never as extreme as people like to make it out to be. The safety net that is EBT is that - a safety net. The people who abuse it are by far the exception and not the rule. Bitching about social programs because you were not able to write off your loss makes you seem petty.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
I explain to my child why he cannot have things everyday. I think they are all related (taxes, social programs, government entitlements, and etc.) and that it does not make me petty. But that is my opinion, and your opinion. I think it is easy to see we will not be on the same page not matter how long the debate continues. I also was not bitching about my taxes and social programs, someone else dragged that over from my earlier post. I have the right to be pissed about my taxes, and I have a right to disagree with social programs. I doubt I am alone in my opinions on either one.
You're saying...
Some people are in tough situations and need programs to assist them
and
Some people (possibly more?) abuse or take advantage of said programs
Therefore: anyone who buys candy or junk food with program funds is taking advantage of said program.
That IS what you're trying to argue, and that's just a complete failure of logic. For all you know, some people who take advantage of the system don't ever eat candy, or are vegans, or only eat raw foods, organic, etc. Maybe some people who truly need assistance go months without any candy, and occasionally they want to splurge a little and buy a few chocolate bars for their family.
I will say that SOME people abuse these programs. I will not agree that MOST people do. What they spend their program funds on is not my business (so long as it's within what is allowed by the program, ie no 40 oz). An individual's purchases can not be used as the only factor in determining if they need assistance or not.
Well that won't be hard. There's a store by me that sells a "pass your drug test" beverage for about $20. I hear from my friends that it works perfectly well to pass pre employment drug tests.
LOL-I didn't read all 11 pages. People who are close minded drive me crazy. So I don't know if this was answered.
The reason they put EBT by the Easter candy is so those who have to use food stamps and have kids, are aware they can buy candy for their kids for Easter.
Believe it or not, many people hate living on food stamps and wouldn't dream of buying candy because judgemental asses like some in this post would make them feel worse. This way people know without having to ask and feel better knowing they can provide a little happiness in their situation.
And if you want to trade lives with someone on EBT, I'm sure many would trade in a heartbeat. You know cause all the rainbows and puppies their lives are.