October 2019 Moms
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Re: UO & FFFC 4/19

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  • My Confession: I worked from home part of yesterday and did my laundry in between emails. After dinner we all passed out despite needing to clean the house, or finish the laundry.
  • cmbt2cmbt2 member
    galentine said:
    Ok, UO time. I fully expect this to be a truly UO:

    I don't like when baby showers have a diaper raffle or request a book in place of a card. I'm kind of old school with my shower etiquette, and I find it awkward that you are basically asking for multiple gifts. No matter how many people argue that books are "just as cheap as a card," that's just not true. Some people make a free card by folding over a piece of wrapping paper and writing on it, or just writing on the tag that comes on the gift bag. If someone wants to gift you with books, they will. If someone wants to gift you with diapers, they will. And if you want books and diapers.... register for them! That way you'd be more likely to get the ones you want, and less likely to receive repeats. Asking for them separately on the invitation comes across as extra gift grabby to me, especially considering you are inviting guests to an event already focused on gift-giving. 
    I find it extremely tacky and judge so hard
    BFP #1 3/07, EDD 11/12/07, MMC 5/7/07
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    BFP #2 5/4/14, EDD 1/15/15, DS1 1/19/15
    BFP #3 8/19/16, EDD 4/30/17, DS2 4/25/17
    BFP #4 12/22/18, EDD 9/6/19 - CP 12/29/18
    BFP #5 1/18/19, EDD 10/3/19, It’s a Girl!
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    High Risk Dx (6/14):  Homozygous MTHFR C677T, protein C & S deficiencies
  • edited April 2019
    cmbt2 said:
    I don’t have it in me to touch the gender=sex one today

    edit: okay, I lied. I’ll leave this. Sex is between the legs. Gender is between the ears. There’s a difference
    correction - there CAN be a difference. And that is perfectly fine. But most of the time, there isn't, and that is perfectly fine too. But again, there definitely isn't a difference for a fetus/infant, who doesn't even know what either thing means. 

    Judge all you want, doesn't affect me one bit - I am judging right back. 
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  • cmbt2cmbt2 member
    cmbt2 said:
    I don’t have it in me to touch the gender=sex one today

    edit: okay, I lied. I’ll leave this. Sex is between the legs. Gender is between the ears. There’s a difference
    correction - there CAN be a difference. And that is perfectly fine. But most of the time, there isn't, and that is perfectly fine too. But again, there definitely isn't a difference for a fetus/infant, who doesn't even know what either thing means. 

    Judge all you want, doesn't affect me one bit - I am judging right back. 
    At least you understand there is a difference between the two things. My judgment is at those who don’t even understand that concept. 

    I correct terminology. Big whoop. The terms mean different things. TETO
    BFP #1 3/07, EDD 11/12/07, MMC 5/7/07
    ~~~  ~~~  ~~~
    BFP #2 5/4/14, EDD 1/15/15, DS1 1/19/15
    BFP #3 8/19/16, EDD 4/30/17, DS2 4/25/17
    BFP #4 12/22/18, EDD 9/6/19 - CP 12/29/18
    BFP #5 1/18/19, EDD 10/3/19, It’s a Girl!
    ~~~  ~~~  ~~~
    High Risk Dx (6/14):  Homozygous MTHFR C677T, protein C & S deficiencies
  • galentine said:
    I will absolutely be open minded and if my daughter comes to me some day and says she identifies as male, then we will be supportive and go with that. But I don't understand ignoring the sex she is born with. Her sex is defined by the parts she has now, and those parts say girl. To ignore that seems over the top. I can raise her to like pink and princesses and ruffles or blue and dinosaurs and football, it doesn't matter. She can like all of the above or none of the above, and it still won't impact her sex. I feel some people make it a bigger deal than it needs to be. IMO, nothing really needs to be done differently between raising boys and girls, except for maybe caring for body parts and diapering strategies.
    exactly this. 
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  • I know the gender/sex thing is a debate everywhere but it seems especially so on the bump. I understand and support the difference but I’m never gonna get up in arms about it. Also seems to me like a bridge you cross when/if it comes. 

    fffc: I put body wash in my hair this morning instead of shampoo 😐 idk why but my brain power/memory has gone WAY down this week, it’s a little upsetting 😅

    @galentine cracking up at your awkward moment!! I have always loved the book instead of card and never think of it as gift grabby, but I can certainly see how someone would see it that way. But I love books and want to buy them anyways! I can’t stand to spend a lot of money on cards but I will for a book haha. Dollar store all the way for my cards that are gifted to people
  • I know the gender/sex thing is a debate everywhere but it seems especially so on the bump. I understand and support the difference but I’m never gonna get up in arms about it. Also seems to me like a bridge you cross when/if it comes. 

    agree - I never understood why it was such a huge thing on the bump for people to get all defensive and condescending when correcting people on the verbiage. I think that is really my issue. It just seems like people are being offended either just to be offended, or because they feel like they are supposed to be offended. Like they saw one person do it and now they have to correct every single person that uses the word 'gender'. But let's be honest, nobody likes the way 'sex reveal' sounds lol 
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  • galentine said:
    Ok, UO time. I fully expect this to be a truly UO:

    I don't like when baby showers have a diaper raffle or request a book in place of a card. I'm kind of old school with my shower etiquette, and I find it awkward that you are basically asking for multiple gifts. No matter how many people argue that books are "just as cheap as a card," that's just not true. Some people make a free card by folding over a piece of wrapping paper and writing on it, or just writing on the tag that comes on the gift bag. If someone wants to gift you with books, they will. If someone wants to gift you with diapers, they will. And if you want books and diapers.... register for them! That way you'd be more likely to get the ones you want, and less likely to receive repeats. Asking for them separately on the invitation comes across as extra gift grabby to me, especially considering you are inviting guests to an event already focused on gift-giving. 
    I hate cards in general. I think they are a huge waste of money. So when people request a book, it actually is forcing me to buy an extra gift because I wouldn't have given a card to begin with!

    I don't mind diaper raffles. I didn't do one, but I don't judge when I see them. I usually bring a small pack of diapers to every shower anyways. 
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  • It might be an UO that I actually like cards. I hate paying $6.00 for them, but I love writing sentimental notes in them, especially for big occasions or milestone birthdays. I'm not one to keep much (my MIL calls me a "minimalist" LOL) but I plan to keep all my daughter's baby shower cards and 1st birthday cards for her to read someday.  <3
  • @galentine - yes I will agree there - if you actually write something meaningful in them, different story. But most people just put 'love, mom' or whatever. Those ones are pointless lol

    OH thought of another UO - I don't really mind when people touch my belly without asking. As long as it's someone I like haha
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  • galentine said:
    It might be an UO that I actually like cards. I hate paying $6.00 for them, but I love writing sentimental notes in them, especially for big occasions or milestone birthdays. I'm not one to keep much (my MIL calls me a "minimalist" LOL) but I plan to keep all my daughter's baby shower cards and 1st birthday cards for her to read someday.  <3
    Cards are sooo expensive I don't get it. I just hit up the dollar store these days now. I also kept my baby shower cards, thought we could show them to her or make something with the front of the cards one day.
  • edited April 2019
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    DD 10/2019
  • @galentine I agree RE: books and diapers, unless you make it clear on your invitation that you are asking for this instead of gifts. I had a small shower thrown by friends, most of whom did not have children and weren't even close to trying. We specifically did not send out the registry for that and asked for help building our baby's first library. My SIL did the same for her 2nd, since she already had everything. But, I guess that is almost like putting them on the registry, so maybe it's not so much a disagreement as a clarification as to what I find acceptable on the invite?
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  • cmbt2cmbt2 member
    Here’s a confession-

    i wear camis to bed as my night shirt. Last night, DH wasn’t home during the inbetween kids in bed and when I go to bed time. My boobs were really bothered by my shirt, so I pulled them out and let them just hang free. the worst part is I ended up staring at them because they’re so giant and full.🙈🙈 They got big with the boys but never rounded out. This time, they’re giant, round, and perky 🤦🏼‍♀️
    BFP #1 3/07, EDD 11/12/07, MMC 5/7/07
    ~~~  ~~~  ~~~
    BFP #2 5/4/14, EDD 1/15/15, DS1 1/19/15
    BFP #3 8/19/16, EDD 4/30/17, DS2 4/25/17
    BFP #4 12/22/18, EDD 9/6/19 - CP 12/29/18
    BFP #5 1/18/19, EDD 10/3/19, It’s a Girl!
    ~~~  ~~~  ~~~
    High Risk Dx (6/14):  Homozygous MTHFR C677T, protein C & S deficiencies
  • edited April 2019
    The standing ovation gif of yesterday is my best indicator that I’m squarely on the unpopular side with my opinion, and I just really don’t care. 

    The privilege every side of this gender vs sex conversation, and the erasure towards trans and non-binary folx, is just a bit obscene. This is definitely my “peace I’m out” post because you are just folks on the internet and I deal with this bigoted bs enough in real life, I don’t have the bandwidth to smile and nod and swallow how incredibly hurtful listening to your cis privileged thoughts actually is. Do carry on or whatever and do t knowing you’ve successfully alienated and ostracized a non-binary person with your ignorant cis musings. 

    Babies and toddlers don’t have a gender. Gender as we understand it today is a white person’s social construct that is learned behavior, leading to toxic masculinity among many other problems. Gender and sex are socially linked, but that’s it. 

    Saying their sex is female or male is transphobic. Saying a little sister onesie isn’t gendered is hilariously inaccurate.  

    Saying it’s such a small part of the population so why bother erases the experiences of folks who are still killed today for their existence.

    Saying why ignore their sex when they have one is wronglyfully associating it with gender, and taking the easy, cis-privileged route.

    Saying you’ll listen when a kid lets you know you guessed wrong at best means you’re putting the burden on a child to correct an adult, and that it’s on them to advocate for themself. Which is grossly selfish on your part. 

    You know what happens when you raise a kid respecting their antegender development phase? At best, you raise a trans kid who never has to correct and argue against those closest to them (which, yeah, is a big effing deal. Could literally be life saving). At worst? You raise a cis kid who has questioned and deliberately understood their own gender identity, making them more compassionate to all of us who have to do it in secret because society still thinks gender reveals for a fetus is an effing thing.

    Sincerely,
    a non binary person who does not equate their genitalia with a gender. My pussy isn’t female and it never was. It did, however, take me decades to work through the dysmorphia and angst of not fitting in a way that everyone expected me to, though, because my well intentioned and loving parents never considered that I would be anything but a girl/woman and I never knew how to contradict them, since I wasn’t raised with the language to understand my experience.

    PS while I’m burning bridges, here’s another unpoular opinion— “gender disappoint” over that “boy” is possibly the most selfish, stupid and ridiculous feeling. Get the eff over yourselves and maybe you’ll get lucky and your disappointing boy will turnout to be a girl after all, not that you deserve it. Gender disappointment is not valid at all. Work through your privilege and gtf over yourself. 
  • cmbt2 said:
    Here’s a confession-

    i wear camis to bed as my night shirt. Last night, DH wasn’t home during the inbetween kids in bed and when I go to bed time. My boobs were really bothered by my shirt, so I pulled them out and let them just hang free. the worst part is I ended up staring at them because they’re so giant and full.🙈🙈 They got big with the boys but never rounded out. This time, they’re giant, round, and perky 🤦🏼‍♀️
    I've actually started occasionally going to bed with a sports bra on. My shirts or even just letting them hang hurts. Mine didn't change at all with my daughter. Mine don't feel bigger this time either they hurt more though, I don't remember them hurting this much.
  • galentine said:
    Ok, UO time. I fully expect this to be a truly UO:

    I don't like when baby showers have a diaper raffle or request a book in place of a card. *snip*
    Lurky lurker from Sept here.

    Two years ago I would have totally agreed with you, and thought it was so weird my sister did this for my baby shower with DS (I had no clue because I didn’t even see the invites before they were sent)...but that being said...I LOVE reading all the things people wrote in the books (because they used them as a card!!). Most people don’t save the cards from their baby showers, but this is a nice reminder to see how much baby was loved before they were even here!! And many people bought their favorite books to share with DS, which was truly special. 
    Totally agree. My family did the book thing for my shower with my first several years ago and I was nervous it was going to look tacky. They did put optional but I still was worried. However, I’m so thankful for it because to this day we still read a lot of the books and the message written to my son in the beginning. A few of the special people in our lives have passed and I get teary reading the message in their book when we read it to our kids. I still love a good card and I pretty old school that way with sending and receiving cards but I thought the books was something really special. 
  • @jenferlee82 That sounds like an awesome shower! Though I don’t mind the traditional kind, yours sounds like it will be a ton of fun 
  • When my cousin's fiance had her shower, we played 1 game and it was don't say "Baby" and honestly the little kids got more enjoyment out of stealing everyone's beads. She also had all the gifts displayed on their stage and only opened the ones if you asked her too. We mingled and ate breakfast and drank mimosas all morning. It was the best fun ever.


  • @jenferlee82 sounds like my kinda shower!!  @Cass005 That's pretty funny and sounds like fun too. I prefer a shower/party/whatever it is of just having fun!!
  • I agree that most baby shower games are laaaaaame, but I always feel the need to share the game I created for my sisters baby shower, which was super hilarious and went over well (or at least, everyone told me they liked it to be nice 😂)

    I compiled a list of embarrassing/funny things that my sister and BIL each did as kids, and then made it into a quiz. I think we gave prizes (lottery scratch off tickets) to the 3 highest scorers on the quiz.

    Some of the questions included things like:
    -Which person loudly proclaimed "doggie go woof woof!" during their middle aunt's wedding ceremony?
    -which person asked the pastor if he was Jesus at Easter service?
    -which of the following was BIL's childhood crush? I listed a few fictional characters and historical figures, with the correct answer being the Statue of Liberty 😂😂
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