April 2018 Moms

Breastfeeding Survival Guide

I personally would have majorly benefited from a thread like this with my daughter, so I'm going to start an advice thread so we can all pitch in on tips and tricks on how to make it work.

Ok, to open, let's all be completely honest: breastfeeding is hard.  It is deeply worth it, but just like pregnancy, it is hard.  I despise smoke-blowing posts where people hide how hard it is behind rainbows and unicorns for fear of scaring women off of it.  That's condescending to women who just did 9 months of something even harder.   Let's be real, and let's be helpful.

So let's hear it ladies!  Sanity saving tips and tricks!

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  • 1) If you hire post-partum help, make sure they are there for you AND baby, not just baby. I had a very difficult recovery from my c-section and my parents hired a baby nurse without talking to us about what we actually needed, and it ended up making nursing more difficult than it needed to be.

    2) If your baby ends up in the NICU, start pumping ASAP. Pump as often as your baby should be nursing. And invest in a good hands free pumping bra - they make a world of difference.

    3) Pumping (at least for me) hurt like hell until my nipples got used to it.

    4) Just because you are nursing doesn't mean you have to do all MOTN work alone! DH would get up with us and change DD's diaper while I went to the bathroom or got a snack. YH can be as involved as you want or need him to be.

    5) It may take longer than 2 weeks for a breastfed baby to get back to birth weight, especially if a) it took longer for your milk to come in (think 5 days j stead of 2 or 3), or b) you were on a lot of fluids at delivery and you think the birth weight may be inflated. Trust your gut, keep putting the baby back on the boob, and seek help. One or two feeds supplemented with formula while you regain your sanity is not bad! At the end of the day, FED is best.

    6) It may take longer for milk to come in and you may have to encourage your body a bit if you had a c-section. Not true for all, but it took longer for many people I know (myself included) who had c-sections vs people who had vaginal births. Mother's Milk tea, Oatmeal (real oatmeal, no Quaker Oats), dark beer, fenugreek, blessed thistle, and goat's rue can all help encourage milk production.


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  • *Lurker from June*

    I totally agree with the PP who suggested the Medela nipple shields. (PS, you only need one because it's only worn while nursing, so you can just take it off and stick it on the other side when you change sides.)

    It saved my life when it literally felt like my nipples were being torn off and I had blisters after just 24 hours of nursing, my daughter was jaundiced and needed to nurse to clear it, and I really didn't want to nurse. 

    All the props to my wonderful midwife. I only knew about shields that were worn while you were wearing bras to help with inverted and flat nipples. My mom, too, had only heard of that type. I had never heard of nipple shields that could be worn while nursing.
  • If you're going back to work, invest in a pump that you want to spend many, many hours with. A pumping bra also helps.

    Bravado nursing bras are amazing. I still wear mine and DD weaned last November. 

    Don't let anyone pressure you into weaning. It is solely your decision whenever it happens at 2 days or 4 years.

    If you're trying to build a stash, the best time to pump is an hour after the first feeding in the morning. I always got the most.

    Some galactagogue type foods that people swear by are gatorade, oatmeal, lactation cookies (I didn't make them but I'm sure someone has a good recipe), fenugreek, etc.

    Also, please seek help if things seem to be going fine and then take a turn for the worse. DD had nursing down until 6 weeks and an undiagnosed tongue and lip tie made her transfer less milk and it was an awful two weeks of her losing weight. See a lactation consultant in the beginning to rule it out.

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  • Also - not all lactation consultants are created equal! It is worth it to find the best one within a reasonable traveling distance. Insurance will generally reimburse you for some of the visits.


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  • Don't give up! And don't be afraid of seeking help! LA Leche League, a lactation consultant, a well seasoned mom. After giving birth and having my vag on display having a boob out was nothing. lol It took my son almost 3 weeks to latch. I had a friend that it took two months for her DD to finally latch. It's hard. It hurt. I cried on more then one occasion feeling so inadequate and frustrated (and freaking tired) . If it's not all rainbows and butterflies YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND YOU ARE NOT BROKEN. After weeks of my son outright screaming when he was brought to my breast we tried a nipple shield and one day it was a little better and a little better the next . we finally were able to wean off the shield completely after about a week of use and are still nursing today at almost 14 months.  Even though all the clogged ducts and bought of mastitis I am so glad I didn't give up and will willingly go through it again with #2 if need be. 
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  • Please also don't listen to the entirety of the internet that says there is no such thing as sudden, self weaning before age one. I practically drove myself insane when my son when on what turned out to be a permanent nursing strike at 7.5 months. It was heartbreaking and I EPed for another two months before deciding my sanity was more important. 

    *TW* Worse still, there are no useful resources on letting your milk dry up using only a pump - except for sites for mothers who have lost their babies. It's horrible to have to seek out those resources, but honestly it was the only relevant guide I could find. If anyone is reading this a year from now and needs help drying up suddenly, feel free to DM me. 
  • Great thread idea!!! 

    I too was a low supplier. I had a csection and it took over a week for my milk to come in. My DS lost 12% of his weight by the time we left the hospital and I was exclusively nursing (with a great latch). It was gut wrenching to have to supplement but it made all the difference! No one at the hospital told me "hey maybe try pumping to get that milk in." I wish someone did!! Maybe the outcome would have been different. 

    Once I left the hospital, the lactation consultant at the pediatricians office wanted me to exclusively pump for two days every hour to try to get my milk in and to see how much I was producing. I think even she could sense I was at my wits end and scared my son wasn't getting enough to eat. I became an exclusive pumper after that. It was a huge weight off my shoulders to know exactly what my son was getting and supplementing the rest.  My nips were also happy with the pumping. It was such sweet relief. 

    I agree with PP about the nipple shields. After DS was born, I immediately nursed with a nipple shield as I found I had flat nipples. That thing was a blessing as it helped my son get a great latch from the start. When the nips started cracking and hurting (yes even with the shield) the doctor prescribed dr. Jack newmans nipple cream. It's a prescription and was heaven. I never used anything else.

    My biggest regret was letting everyone and their mother come visit me at the hospital. I should have been focused on nursing or pumping. This go around it will only be immediate family. I plan on a ton of skin to skin, pumping/nursing so the boobs will be out in full force.

     I'm still deciding on if I want to go down the nursing road or just exclusively pump. I'll be honest, I didn't love nursing. It kind of creeped me out a bit!! After nine months, I wanted my body back and not someone latching to it and causing more pain. My husband would prefer me to exclusively pump this time so we know how much the baby is getting and so he can help out (love him). Even that's daunting - especially with a toddler. But ya know what, I may do both. Heck, I may top off with formula! I now know that it's ok! Do whatever works best for you!!

    Also, nipple confusion is total BS. My son nursed for the first week with a great latch. He took a binkie from day one. Then he took a bottle. At around 8 weeks I got curious to see if I can put him back to breast and sure enough, he latched without any problems. But I continued to pump for 4 months until he was getting more formula than breast milk. 

    When you are in the throes of postpartum, nothing makes sense. Emotions are so high that you think the act of supplementing equates to failure. It does not. You do what you have to do. Don't let anyone make you feel shame in your choices. 
  • Be prepared for anything. Never in my wildest dreams did I think my breastfeeding journey would involve a pump and no babe to my actual breast.  But for 10 months that's exactly what I did. And people would tell me it's all because of a lip or tongue tie, which had nothing to do with her latch issues. 
    And I have heard that pumps aren't as efficient in most women. I actually had the issue of it making me overproduce. 
    If you do plan on pumping please buy a deep freeze, this helped me stop before a year but continue to feed her until 16 months.  
    @Puddlewonderful I chose to stop ep and it took 2 months for me to stop producing and lots of pain. I had to ask other moms what they did to stop. 
  • Yes to @btm013. Nipple confusion is BS. DD took a pacifier in the first week because she just wanted to suck suck suck and my poor nipples just needed a break. She also took a pumped bottle by 2 weeks old. It was fine. No issues with nipple confusion. Don't let it scare you. Even one of the LCs that I saw agreed that nipple confusion is total BS. 

    I like this thread because what works best for each individual mom/baby BFing relationship will be different. I think there will be lots of different advice here that will hopefully help some of the FTMs narrow down options that are in line with what will be the best fit for them. Here's what worked for me-

    I liked The Complete Book of Breastfeeding. It has a lot of great information in it and lots of charts. I didn't find it too opinion filled or adgenda-y. It's easy to navigate to find the info that you want and skim past stuff you don't need/want to read. I never read TWOABF, but a lot of ladies on my last BMB did and liked it. 

    Utilize the hospital LCs if you are having a hospital birth. I asked to see one multiple times just to get all the feedback and tips. Ask all the questions and don't be afraid to speak up if something doesn't feel right. I'd also suggest making an appointment with a LC a few days after you go home, just for a check in and to do a weighted feed. It helps for reassurance and to be able to ask anything that you forgot to ask in the hospital. 

    I was mega stressed about it being able to see the ounces. A friend suggested that I get a home baby scale that measured lbs and ounces, so that I could do my own weighted feeds. I got the Salter Baby Toddler Scale on Amazon. It's $48 and was totally worth it for me to be able to see the ounces LO was getting at every feed. 

    I dont have experience with nipple shields, but some products that I found helpful in the early days were-
    1. lansinoh lanolin 
    2. lansinoh disposable nursing pads (waaaayyy softer than the medela ones) 
    3. Ameda hydrogel pads (These were ahhhmaaazeee on my cracked nipples, especially keeping them in the fridge. I used them during the day and the disposable pads with lanolin during the night)

    Also. Kellymom.com is an amazing resource. There is an answer to basically any question or problem that you might run into while BFing- appropriate diaper output, nursing strikes, clogged ducts, mastitis, etc.
  • The hospital where I gave birth in Houston follows some pro-breastfeeding initiative that, to me, goes too far to promote breastfeeding. There were signs up in the hospital room and bathroom discussing the advantages of breastfeeding and the dangers (I do not exaggerate - dangers) of formula.

    The first night after my third baby was born, I asked them to take him to the nursery for a few hours so I could sleep and they were very reluctant to do it, because rooming in promotes breastfeeding (you know what? So does sleep. They still brought him back at least every three hours and I just gave birth). They pushed me to give him his first bath when I still had my IV in and did not feel stable enough to stand holding the baby, let alone bathe him, again because it was somehow supposed to promote breastfeeding. 

    There were some of positives to it, too - the lactation consultant checked on me, like, hourly and they had tons of helpful literature on breastfeeding. And look, I have breastfed all three of my babies for at least 15 months each and I am certainly a proponent of it. But if you find yourself in a hospital where you feel breastfeeding is being pushed beyond what your instinct tells you you need to do for your own health and well being, do not be bullied by it. I have supplemented, used pacis, bottles, etc and still had very successful breastfeeding relationships.
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  • Oh I also want to add for STM+ moms, that I have two older sisters, one has three children and the other has four. All we're csectioned. Each child presented their own challenges. The sister with the 4 exclusively nursed her first with a good supply but for the second her milk never came in and had to formula feed exclusively.  Her third she nursed without supply issues and her fourth she had supply issues and supplemented but was able to continue nursing. My sister with the three was an over producer for her first with a strong let down. The second was normal milk supply and the third was non existent so she formula fed. This is not meant to scare you in any way but it was my impression if supply wasn't an issue before then why would it be the next time around?! Apparently it can be. 
  • I am so freaking appreciative of this thread. When DD was born, I told myself I would try to nurse for her benefit, despite feeling like I wouldn't like it. The second I put her to my breast when she was minutes old, I felt an incredible connection and I knew I wanted to do it. For the following days and weeks, we tried everything but she couldn't form a lasting latch. We hired a private LC, went to this local boutique that specializes in Bfing for help, worked with nurses and the LCs at the pediatrician. Nothing worked. I was heartbroken. I pumped as long as I could and I hated it. I'm so hopeful that I will be able to successfully Bf (hopefully exclusively!) this time around so I'm doing everything I can to learn and prepare. Thank you all for sharing your experience and helpful hints :) 

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  • I'm glad someone started this thread! I'm not going to lie, as a FTM reading through this TERRIFIES me. I'm sure I'll be coming back here in April.
  • @keeksie84, there is no reason to be scared of BFing!  After pregnancy and childbirth, you will have already done something much more difficult and daunting.  The best part about BFing is that if it doesn't work for you and your baby, it isn't the end of the world.  It IS extremely rewarding, but it isn't as high stakes as a lot of new moms put on themselves.

    This thread is mostly due advice for people who run into struggles.  It is entirely possible that you won't, and it will be a breeze for you.  But when I was trying it for the first time people where so busy trying to hide how hard it could be so as not to "discourage" me, that I didn't go in nearly as equipped to handle rough patches as I could have been.  Luckily I am obscenely stubborn, and had the good fortune to have high production so it all evened out.
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  • I think the most important piece thing is to listen to helpful advice... but not ALL advice. Everyone wants to weigh in on the pregnancy/nursing journey, and frankly unless you're seeking help from a LC or your doc, or you genuinely want advice from a mom who has been there, tune the noise out. Everyone has an opinion, but 99% of them don't matter. 

    (1) I have had horrible engorgement with both kiddos. Try freezing some cabbage and stuff the cabbage leaves in your bra in between nursing sessions. It helps reduce some engorgement without jacking with supply. You can't do it forever or it will, but it does help those first 2-3 days after the milk comes in.

    (2) It's okay to use nipple shields if you need them!

    (3) You really can have milk only in one breast. It sounds weird, but around 2 months my left breast dried up COMPLETELY with DD2, and I had to exclusively nurse on my right side for 13 more months. 

    (4) The first 2 weeks SUCK as your milk supplies regulates and your nipples get used to it. Then it gets better, but it's still a little challenging until about 6 weeks, and then it's sooo much easier. All of that is so true. But then there's a 3 month sleep regression that happens and the baby will want to nurse around the clock. I didn't feel prepared for that the first time, but it went much better the second time when I knew it was coming. 

    (5) Invest in some comfortable and quality nursing bras!!! For real!! And get a comfy nursing nightgown too, because that helps so much at night, especially in the beginning. 

    (6) Unless you're drinking a ton (think 2 or more drinks in an hour all evening), don't pump and dump. There's really no need!!!
  • Hey ladies! Great thread and I will say, all thre advice is spot on. 

    DD2 was an MSPI baby, super sensitive. I have been advised to start an MSPI diet a few weeks before this baby’s due date since it is likely it’ll have the same issues. 

    Pumping was fantastic (time consuming, but worth it). I pumped a lot when on maternity leave. After I would finish a feeding I would pump for a few minutes each time. By end of my leave my freezer packed with milk. 
  • My BF journey was going to hell and back for 4 months because of the stupid guilt pro-BF put in my head. I worked with 3 LC and ended up working with a doctor specialized in breastfeeding only. I had chronic candidasis in the ducts that didn't show the usual presentation so I was basically told by 2 LC that I wasn't making enough effort to make this work. I had over 30 episodes of clogged ducts which were more painful than my csection recovery all together. I learned that most LC have "one way or the highway" and I was really disappointed in the whole experience. The BF doctor was the one who told me to discontinue BF after 2 rounds of diflucan, multiple try at eliminating thrush with ointment and GSE. My son was under the 5th percentile for a very long time and nobody told me to supplement him. My advice would be to not let anyone mess with your head. Fed is best. Period. There will always be some passive aggressive bitches to tell you snarky comments. Also, it's ok to grieve the failure of your BF and to talk about it. 
  • I agree that this is all really good advice. I think I would add, don't set BFing goals until you get to know you your circumstances. 

    When I had my son, I was going to BF him until two, no questions asked. I was naive about the issues that we would have because I think people can be so dismissive of them. DS had a lip tie and a shallow latch. The first 8 weeks were absolute agony. We got through that, and then when I went back to work at 12 weeks, I developed supply issues and never could pump enough at work. I was lucky enough my SIL was an over-producer, so we got to supplement with donor milk. DS ended up self weaning right around one, and I continued to pump until 14 months. The whole time was a struggle, I tried everything, and I absolutely felt like a failure. 

    This time around I wont be setting any goals. I am expecting the same issues, though holding some hope because I know every baby is different. I'm not going to stress myself out about it this go round, and will happily supplement to get by.
  • saisongbirdsaisongbird member
    edited September 2017
    Also. This is not generally discussed, but domperidome was the ONLY thing that worked for me. Not all doctors are willing to prescribe it - but it IS safe, and when all other routes do not increase supply, it will.


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  • @saisongb that was REALLY frustrating for me. Coming from Canada where it's legal and largely prescribed I couldn't understand why there wasn't a single doctor in the US willing to prescribe it. Really frustrating that the FDA doesn't allows it...
  • Oh I should add in the beginning it's really common to have extreme thrist while you're nursing. Keep a water bottle next to you or have your partner bring you water. Without it, it felt like torture counting down the minutes! 

    I also found My Brest Friend a great nursing pillow in the first few months to help with positioning. However once I discovered side laying it was a freaking revelation. 

    If if you get a clogged duct or engorgement that's resolving breastfeeding normally, try different nursing positions. It sounds nuts but I literally had to nurse on all fours with baby underneath me at one point to clear a duct. 

  • Great thread!
    For some reason nobody I know IRL, books, Internet articles, The Bump ladies, talked about how hard BF really is. It completely threw me when DS took a few days to learn to latch properly, then when I thought he had the hang of it my milk came in. My boobs blew up the size of freaking watermelons and he couldn't get his little lips around those monsters. So we had a set back. We worked through it, but it was frustrating and many tears were shed (mostly mine). It took about 6 weeks to really feel like I had a good grasp of it.
     I think if I had been aware that babies don't always just latch the moment they're out and it's some butterflies and rainbows experience, I would have handled it better.  I'm glad I stuck with it and took things one day at a time setting mini goals for us. 

    Definitely nursing bras and tanks! I lived in them during maternity leave and then on the weekends once I went back to work. Also a pumping bra is a lifesaver. 

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  • Dopermine is very difficult to get prescribed and obtained in the United States. My dr prescribed reglan. As desperate as I was for more milk the side affects of reglan were absolutely not worth increase of milk. Still only got me around 3 oz a day, pumping every three hours. 


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  • @growingournest unfortunately the CDC came out a few months ago saying the refrigerating pump parts trick isn't sufficient and can be dangerous. I did it with DS but I don't think I will again this time around and will just buy extra parts. I especially wouldn't do this with a preemie or otherwise immunosuppressed baby.
  • saisongbirdsaisongbird member
    edited September 2017
    @danjoly and @mcb2016 - I find that midwives who can prescribe are generally more willing to do so, and a good friend of mine who is a midwife put me in contact with a breastfeeding medicine doctor who is willing to prescribe it as long as she feels it is necessary. Her visit was expensive but worth every penny as I went from pumping 2oz a day to 21 oz a day - I was an EPer. It wasn't enough, but it was enough that DD was 2/3 breastfed and 1/3 formula fed, and for me, that was a big deal and I was ok with that ratio. It also allowed me to build a stash so that while I stopped pumping when DD was 10 months, I had enough milk that between the ration and adding in while
    milk around a year, she had my milk until she was 13 months old.


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  • Ladies! I love love love this thread! BFing has been on my mind a lot lately! An wondering if some STMs might talk about a pumping schedule (I know it varies from person to person), like should I pump the other breast as baby nurses from one? Pump hours after nursing? I'm just so confused about the whole concept!

    Thanks for starting this @ngolimento
  • ngolimentongolimento member
    edited September 2017
    ftm_ohio said:
    Ladies! I love love love this thread! BFing has been on my mind a lot lately! An wondering if some STMs might talk about a pumping schedule (I know it varies from person to person), like should I pump the other breast as baby nurses from one? Pump hours after nursing? I'm just so confused about the whole concept!

    Thanks for starting this @ngolimento
    A lot depends on your goals, your baby's personality, and if you are a working mom.

    For myself, I had a ravenous baby who needed both boobs every feeding.  So I never had to worry about balancing.  However if you have a baby that only eats on one side, you may have to pump the other side.  Newborns eat A LOT (mine ate every 15 mins to a half hour), so do not stress over a freezer stash during the newborn stage.  Once your kid evens out, you can start pumping after feedings, or while you are away from your baby.

    If you are a working mom, I hear your normally can get your body to adjust to less pumping during the day.  I am an overproducer, so I HAD to pump every two hours.  It's kind of embarrassing to admit to, but I ended up donating several gallons to the NICU and 2 other mothers over the course of the year that I breastfed.


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  • I just want to say that is makes me RAGEY that doctors are more willing to prescribe Reglan than Domperidone in the US. RAGEY. Its a perfect example of how women's health and health concerns takes second seat in our country. Reglan has incredibly INCREDIBLY challenging side effects while Domperidone doesn't. Its ridiculous that medical professionals prescribe something like Reglan during such an insanely difficult time in someones life. Post-partum hormones and stress of breastfeeding does NOT mix with Reglan. /endrant.

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  • I LOVE THIS THREAD @ngolimento!!!

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  • ladythriceladythrice member
    edited September 2017
    After the babies arrive we NEEEEED a thread dedicated to BFing support. That thread from DS's BMB (and the LC that was on TB helping all us women... I forgot her name but she popped up in ALL the BFing threads giving support and education--anyone else remember her? Something Amy maybe??) and a Facebook group I'm in for working pumping moms are the entire reason I was successful at breastfeeding despite having so many struggles with DS.

    There is so much great advice here. I love it. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside... literally.... Its the pregnancy hormones right?! lol

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  • This thread is great!

    I definitely second many opinion above.

    1. Definitely try and shove alot more boob than nipple in your babies mouth.  I didn't have help my first few sessions and I had serious crack/irritation that took weeks/maybe longer to heal (my nipple is permanently strange looking from it)  And help your baby "un-suction" from your nipple when you are finished or changing sides, don't just pull them off, it'll help avoid irritation too.

    2. I pumped for like 5 minutes before our first morning feeding the first couple weeks.  My boobs would be so engorged it would be hard to feed and get a good latch if I didn't get a little out.  My stash was built easily off this.

    3. Leaks happen (way too often!) Find pads you like (disposable/reusable) and keep extras in your diaper bag, work bag etc!

    I'll think of others but I found so many of your advice helpful especially since its been 4 years and every baby is different.  
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  • riversdoctorriversdoctor member
    edited September 2017
    Oh!! Almost forgot, if you’re working and pumping and then nursing at home, the more baby nurses at home the better your pump output will be!  I made a huge mistake with my first. I had awesome pump output until my caregiver kept insisting I send bigger bottles.  She was up to 18oz in a 9 hour work day and my pump output tanked and I was dipping into my freezer supply within weeks. 

    2-3oz bottles every 2-3 hrs is what they need during the day. This ensures they get enough but still are hungry enough to create more demand from you. It took a couple months but my pump output bounced back once we dropped bottle sizes. I also am totally cool with a paci while mom is gone, but when I am with baby we nursed a lot which was the best for my pump output!  
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