***December WTO***

RiverSong15

@endo_mom It can vary a lot, but you could O anywhere between 12-48 hours after a positive OPK. So, depending on when your surge happens, you could technically O the same day or two days later. I'm typically on the later side, so I've gotten positives on CD14 and not Od until CD16 some cycles. Other cycles, I will O the next day after a positive. This is assuming, of course, that you don't have any issues like PCOS - that can give women false surges on OPKs where they get several positives stretched out over days or weeks until they O. 

szwill86

@endo_mom I usually get a pos OPK in the afternoon/evening time and mark that day as a positive. FF/temps usually put it the next day when I mark positive OPKs again or the day after. So for me it's 24-48hrs later after first pos OPK, whichever coincides with my temps.  

szwill86

So I'm technically in the TWW at 2 dpo, but im hanging out here till I get crosshairs in FF.

Question- has anyone else had EWCM after O day and temp jump? I've never had it after my O day before and I've had it the past two mornings (1 and 2 dpo) only after **tmi** a BM **tmi** which is when i usually see it in my fertile week. And I haven't had sex since my O day 2 ago so (I think) it's not anything related to my DH's "deposit"   

starfish827

@RiverSong15 and @szwill86 thanks for your responses. I'm guessing I O'd yesterday. Usually I get a pain on one side during ovulation until the egg is released and then it stops. Since I'm not temping there's no way to know, but here is to hoping @szwill86 I dont temp, but I have gotten EWCM a few days after +OPKs.

SP128

Hi @endo_mom  I got pos OPK on both Sunday and Monday.  As of Monday night it was gone. I temp.   I think I Oed yesterday.  So guess that makes you....my...CYCLE BUDDY!!  I'm losing it.  Can you tell?

starfish827

@SP128 I had +OPK Monday and Tuesday. Officially cycles buddies. It seems that this cycle they are a few more people with O around this time. Fx we get our early Christmas gifts. Will be joining TWW soon to start over analyzing every single symptom.

SP128

@endo_mom I'm going to wait until I get crosshairs on ff. An early Christmas present would be so awesome !! I've found myself thinking of different milestones. If it doesn't happen this month I'm thinking next month would be a good bday present and then feb it'll be a good Valentine's Day present. 

starfish827

@SP128 I know what you mean. I always find myself doing that. When we first started TTC we wanted a May baby since DH has tons of time off during summer. We were lucky enough to get pg with a May baby that unfortunately ended up in MC. Now, I just want a healthy baby no matter the month/season. After our loss, we realized its really hard to align all the moving parts. For now, we will keep trying for a baby and when it happens everything else will need to adapt. This journey has been eye opening to say the least. It has taught me to never take things for granted.

Taggarab

Back here at CD 1 again. I am super depressed because, with Christmas travel, I don't think DH and I will be together much during my fertile week. Also, thing are almost exactly as they were last year. I believe I conceived from when we had sex on Christmas Day and I am set to O on Christmas Eve. I'm not sure if I'm taking this as a good or bad omen. Heh.

Wingless00

@Taggarab I'm so sorry that you are back here. I hate CD1. Anniversaries are really hard, especially if they fall around the holidays. Next month, I'll be ovulating around the same time that I did with my first (and only) BFP and I'm already dreading it. This whole thing can really suck some days. 

On a different note, I've been meaning to ask you for a while now if it is correct to infer from your pic that you are a horse person?!? Sorry in advance if you aren't, or if my question is too personal, but I grew up with horses (Dressage) and even though I haven't been on a horse since I was 18, I still have dreams about riding and the barn. Just thinking about the smell of horses makes me feel happy. 

SP128

@endo_mom we were also aiming for an April/May baby. We were due mid may and I thought to myself how lucky we were. I work in the schools so I was going to take the rest of the year off and then have the rest of the summer. Like you , now we will take a healthy take home baby whenever. 

I also have a different perspective on trying to conceive. We tried for three month a prior to our bfp. Didn't think I needed temping, opk or any hocus pocus. I knew that ttc may have been a little more challenging because of my AMA status but I am just on the cusp of that. I naively hopes that it "would just happen" with some good timing. 

Wingless00

Just venting here.... I just got my Clearblue Digital OPK and was soooo absurdly excited to use it. And then I got the empty circle sign. Come on ovaries we're on CD14! Let's get going! 

Taggarab

@Wingless00 I should be ovulating within a day of when I did last year so that will be so fun. 


******possible TW******




In terms of horses, yes I grew up riding! I did Hunter/jumper/eventing. I sold my last horse when I got pregnant with my son in 2013. I hope to get back into it one of these days because it really helps me destress, but it's so hard to find the time with a 3 year old.

amberruka

Me too @Wingless00 two days of negative OPK's, let's get this show on the road! 

@Taggarab i sympathize as I conceived from sex on either 12/25 or 12/27 last year, but I'm pretty sure it was Christmas Day. The gift that was taken away. FX for your Xmas eve O.

Wingless00

@amberruka we really are cycle buddies this month aren't we? I got a flashing smiley face this morning so we'll start HIO this weekend. Keep me posted on what's going on with you!

@Taggarab the possible TW for horses cracked me up! It's a really time consuming and expensive sport. I call it Pandora's box... somehow I've managed to keep away but almost caved after our MC. I keep hoping (sort of) that we'll have a little girl who wants to ride and maybe that will be my way back in. 

Sorry to you both about the Christmas anniversaries. Hugs!!!

dragonfly87-2

I am not 100% what we will do this cycle and I am waiting to hear back on my final blood draw hcg levels. But I believe I am on CD 5. If my cycle stays the same, I should O around next Friday or Saturday. So we may or may on try to hit -1 or -2. 

I have a small fear that if I were to KU again, it would result in another CP or MC because of the whole "uterine lining" needing time to build up (even though I read online that isn't necessarily true). So we will see.

Total TMI:

Also, question: AF was due on Sunday and I only spotted (brown) that day and got my positive test.

On Monday, I started to experience the bleeding, but never filled a panty liner, but there was a decent amount when I wiped. This happened on Monday and Tuesday and was completely gone by Wednesday. 

Should I could Monday as CD1? 

szwill86

@dragonfly87 my dr said to count the first day that I saw blood, regardless of in the am or pm, as CD 1. But my hcg levels also went from 20-5-1, so I knew that it was a CP. hope this helps. 

dragonfly87-2

@szwill86: Hmm, ok. Definitely saw brown blood on Sunday. My HCG must have been at least 25 that day to get the positive wondfo test. On Tuesday it was 6 hcg and I am waiting to hear what it was yesterday.

Did you doctor recommend waiting any number of cycles or say it was fine to continue trying right away?

szwill86

@dragonfly87 she had no limitations for me since it wasnt the first cycle after my miscarriage (5th cycle after). Did you ask your dr if they recommended any wait time?

*edit bc mobile bump posted too early

dragonfly87-2

@szwill86: My doctor recommended 3 months and said something about building up uterine lining. But didn't give too many reasons.

laeberge3

@dragonfly87 I've heard of some doctors recommending 3 months, but I think that's pretty outdated - especially for a CP.  I was told to wait one month/cycle after my earlier MC, but not given the same restriction following my CP.  Like @szwill86, my CP wasn't my first cycle after the MC.  That said, take whatever time you need emotionally, too.  Many don't try right away because of that.

stephann85

@dragonfly87 For af, I count the cd 1 as the day I have bright red bleeding of any kind.
And for waiting time, I didn't even get a recommendation to wait 3 months after either of my MC and they were diagnosed at 6 weeks and 8 weeks. I was told to wait one cycle and if we were ready emotionally to go ahead and try. And my understanding is I didn't really even need to wait the 1 cycle that they recommended as the wait was more dating purposes. I hope this helps.

dragonfly87-2

Ergg...seriously contemplating switching OBGYNs.

 I just got off the phone to get my final blood draw results and my HCG is down to 1. I asked again if it would be fine start trying again since it was so early. My OB insisted on three normal cycles of a period before actively trying. I am just so frustrated. That doesn't make sense. It is so counter to the research I have seen and what other OBs have said (based on the The Bump and other forums). My BFF had a MC at 11 weeks and her OB advised two months. So how is a CP longer?!?!

 While I understand airing on the side of caution, it just doesn't seem appropriate for this situation. I don't want to wait three months and I don't think I will. But I also don't want to be at odds with my OB.

This is the first time I have seen this OB since normally I see RNs. So I am not that deeply invested in the relationship or practice. Idk, maybe I am not being rational, but I am just so irritated. 

RiverSong15

@dragonfly87 I don't think it's unreasonable to consider switching OBs, especially since you don't have any established history or relationship with this practice. At the end of the day, you need to be comfortable with your doctor. You need to trust them and have a good relationship. This is someone you will be seeing A LOT once you get pregnant again. A good rapport matters a lot, and you need a doctor that will listen to your concerns and explain why they recommend certain things. Additionally, if you're concerned that she's pushing outdated information now, you're probably going to encounter more of the same during the next pregnancy. It doesn't mean this can't work, but you may need to do more advocating for yourself than normal. If you feel like switching, I'd switch. 

dragonfly87-2

@riversong15: I know I am probably just really emotional right now, but I cannot believe she is sticking to the standard line of waiting 3 months. She even said some research is showing it may not be true, but that she is going to strongly encourage it. I know I can make my own decision, but I want to trust the advice of my OB and I don't feel like I trust this advice. I know it won't hurt to wait, but I don't see the reason to wait that long.

justsuzie

Finally got  both a negative OPK and PG test this morning which must mean HCG is out of my system.  It took 78 freakin days!   I am finally able to be here now.  Small victories.

@dragonfly87 I switched OBs and have my first apt next week even though we are benched until January.  I hated the OB I was treated by for my ectopic.  And, if I don't like this one, I will keep searching.  Like @RiverSong15 said, you will be seeing  a lot of them due to the loss history.  Good luck.

SP128

@justsuzie sweet!!!!!?

@dragonfly87 I had different ppl from the same practice tell me different things. One np said that they say wait one cycke aster mc because that's just the way they have been taught. I verified that there would be no adverse effects to not wait. She said that there is no evidence to support waiting. My ob said to wait and actually talked about the risk of a molar pre, which is so rare. We did not wait, but I was also waiting for my hcg to go down and af. I wasn't using opk but was temping. We had no way of knowing if/when we ovulated until I. Got crosshairs. Honestly, since hey took so many ultrasounds after my mc to confirm that it was complete, if there was anything suspicious it prob would've been an embryo since everything was clean. 

I I echo everyone at finding an ob you like and can develop a good and trusting relationship with. 

dragonfly87-2

@sp128: It's crazy that different people at the same practice give out different advice, especially if it isn't scientifically backed up.

I get the idea of waiting for emotional or mental health reasons, if that's what someone wants or needs. But to say that there is no evidence of concerns for future MC and then say, but wait three cycles to make sure your uterine lining builds back up (though she wouldn't check to see if it was thin), is frustrating.

We aren't going to full on TTC this cycle, but we have decided we will probably HIO at least once or twice during FW and see what happens. I think that's the best balance I can find. I don't want to "waste a month" not trying and I don't want to stress going full steam ahead. So I think a relaxed month will be good.

justsuzie sorry your cycle took so long to regulate. Glad you can join back in! 

nalex420

Hey ladies....I have been lurking since my mc on Nov 6th at 8.5 weeks....went to doc this week and all levels were back to "NORMAL"and received a negative pregnancy test.   Have been waiting and today AF started. I was so happy I actually started to cry...now excited to start trying again

amberruka

@nalex420 and @justsuzie congrats on getting back to 'normalcy.'  @Wingless00 I know we're cycle buddies but I'm just sitting here still with neg OPKs. Still, just trying to HIO. Except last night DH couldn't finish. Ha! Just a fluke. We had a fire going and using Conceive Plus and everything (que porn music!). I finally had to take pity on the poor bastard. He promised to, ahem, finish the job tonight 

Wingless00

@amberruka Ha! Porn music! Love it. People who say that this is the "fun part" must be lying. Ive avoided using sperm friendly lube - thinking natural is best - but might have to reconsider my position. DH would like to skip my "warm up". My wondfos are starting to darken and clear blue is blinking at me. I'm sending all my positive opk thoughts and BD wishes (too creepy?) to my cycle buddy!

stephann85

I'm at cd 12 over here. opk is getting darker, will probably O tomorrow or Monday (based on past cycles). @Wingless00 I think we might also be cycle buddies. 
@amberruka Too funny with the porn music. I refused to let DH skip my "warm up" today. I feel like we have been skipping it a little too often lately.

Wingless00

@stephann85 That's the right attitude! Demand the warm up! I'm set to ovulate Sunday/Monday, too. Looks like we will be in the TWW with each other again this month. I hope it turns out better for us this time around... Either way, it's nice to have cycle buddies!

Hopefulmommy1980

Cd 22\dpo 7 still waiting and trying not to get to hopeful. I feel like since my first Mc I am way more aware of my body sensations and keep thinking is this the same or different from the way I felt before. 

Fingers crossed for for all of you ladies. 

amberruka

TMI-DH asked to postpone until tonight (skin had severely irritated by our non-finished BD on Friday), but I don't think it really matters as my OPK's are lighter. Never got a positive. So either....anovulatory ("booo! hiss!") or I O'd before I started checking (Day 12-13). I did have small EWCM the morning after our BD Tues night but that's really all I got. Have to try some Wondfo's earlier next month. Guess I'll hop over to TWW but wait until AF shows or 12/23, whichever comes first. Not optimistic but that's the breaks. @Wingless00, are you having better luck?

Wingless00

@amberruka Arg! That sounds frustrating! Were you using Wondfos this month? I have never gotten a true positive with a Wondfo but know based on my temps that I O. I started to tape my Wondfos to a piece of paper so that I could compare them and have enough samples to know that the darkest line appears a day or two before O. Do you think that this is what happened to you this month? Maybe your timing was better than you think? 

I added CB digital tests this month because I wanted to a confirmation for the pattern that I saw with the Wondfos. Right now, the blinking smiley face is lining up well with the darkening Wondfos. Tomorrow is CD18, when I usually ovulate, so we are planning to HIO for the next few days. I'll be joining you in a few days over in the TWW. We can symptom spot together! 

stephann85

@amberruka and @Wingless00 I will being joining you in a day or two as well over in the TWW. my goal this month is to keep the BSC at a minimum. So far I have managed not to get to crazy about HIO and I feel better overall. This cycle I'm at the point of if it happens it happens. I think that is in part because my timing is so similar to my first pg and I don't know how I feel about having an edd less than a week apart from my 1st edd. And then there is the other part of me that is really hopefully that this is it.

FX for both of you that this is your cycle!

amberruka

@Wingless00 this is my first time using OPKs so I was trying out the ClearBlue ones to see if it was something I could do. I will try the Wondfo's next month and maybe tape them to see. @stephann85 I second the keeping BSC to a minimum-it's hard to but wastes so much energy. Will just keep on keeping on and try not to live pg until I actually am (if I get lucky again). I have to be realistic too due to my age....living in the future doesn't let you enjoy the present. I just started putting some $ away so DH can go back to Ireland/Scotland for our 40th birthdays, for the outside chance I won't be.

Edit: is there a better time of day to check an OPK?

stephann85

@amberruka with the CB I always tested with fmu. I haven't used the wondfos but what I have read of others is they will do them twice a day.

RiverSong15

@amberruka I second @Wingless00. I don't always get positives with OPKs, but temps have proven I ovulate. I use the custom data features in FF to mark when the OPKs are almost positive, and that helps me keep track. As far as timing, I've never used the CBs, so I don't know if the directions say to use FMU. But with the Wondfos, I test 2x per day, mid-morning/early afternoon and evening. One cycle I tested with FMU too because I was curious if it made a difference, and FWIW, my OPKs are always much lighter in the mornings, even if I had almost positive lines the day before and then again later in the afternoon. 

AFM, I'm sitting here at CD2, so I have a ways to go.