Suggestion

SSCmomma

Since everyone is so concerned about sexual identity labeling why doesn't the bump do away with any team pink or team blue or tickers with anything but green backgrounds?  Isn't it presumptuous that if the baby's sex is one or the other that they should be identified by a particular color?

Xstatic3333

SSCmomma said:

Since everyone is so concerned about sexual identity labeling why doesn't the bump do away with any team pink or team blue or tickers with anything but green backgrounds?  Isn't it presumptuous that if the baby's sex is one or the other that they should be identified by a particular color?

Something tells me this is not a serious suggestion. 

SSCmomma

It is.  Why attach a color? 

cantalopes24

Well the tickers could be someone just likes the color. And I don't mind the team pink or team blue stickers but I still think sex reveal parties are weird because you're having a party for someones genitalia. I also think it's weird when people post ultrasounds on Facebook with a big arrow pointing to it. 

musicinmysoul17

If we're not attaching a color, then why not make everything white? Or black? When I did my ticker, I could choose what background color I wanted and I just picked something because obviously I don't know what baby is yet. A baby doesn't identify with any color. When you have a newborn it can be hard to tell so parents like to dress them to highlight that it's a boy/girl. But it doesn't have to be only blue or pink. I like purple for a girl. DH likes orange for a boy. I think green is more boy than neutral. It's more the parents preference than anything.  

Xstatic3333

As far as I'm concerned people can use whatever color scheme they want for baby things.  I like blues and greens.  They're my favorite colors, and I probably won't bother to change my ticker if I end up with a girl because I'm lazy and not that into pink.  I think all anyone is saying is that it's polite to use the term sex instead of gender when referring to brand new infants.  

Gingersnap

Because the bump isn't Target? 
Maybe you should ask one of the admins, if this is indeed a serious question. 
It does come across as sarcasm to me, but it's hard to tell tone through text. 
To clarify, I love Target and love that they are pro LGBT. 

SSCmomma

Many of the intro or weekly update board ask if you are team pink or blue?  Isn,t that gender assignment?  I'm just suggesting the TB be consistent.  Remove any and all reference to sex identity by color.  As a pp mentioned, perhaps black or white only would be more appropriate.

MonaLisaRalphio

I spy a straw man. 

Xstatic3333

SSCmomma said:

Many of the intro or weekly update board ask if you are team pink or blue?  Isn,t that gender assignment?  I'm just suggesting the TB be consistent.  Remove any and all reference to sex identity by color.  As a pp mentioned, perhaps black or white only would be more appropriate.

Yeah no way this is serious. 

varimama

If you don't like choosing a color team then you by all means are free to not participate in that part. I think if people want to that's up to them and shouldn't be changed by the bump. Personally we're finding out the sex but honestly my favorite color is green so I'll probably keep a green ticker and my baby will probably wear a lot of green regardless of the sex.

Gingersnap

I'll bite again. 
It's not the The Bump who feel strongly about saying sex instead of gender. It's the users. 

kswiger06

I think this was a serious suggestion, but somewhat bizarre. I understand that people can identify how they want, and using the term sex is preferred over gender, and im glad that the people here have been patient with some who arent as aware of the terms, but typically people use blue or pink/purple just to show others that the baby they had was born a boy or girl. If people had to quit picking blue or pink they'll be asked the same thing just more blunt like are you team penis or team vagina. It's just a cute quick way of saying male or female parts. 

emilypanthel

That is beyond crazy. If you don't want a pink or blue ticker than don't use one. People like using pink for a girl or blue for a boy. How is any parent to know what gender their baby is when they are born. If someone wants to use purple for a girl, let them do that. I really don't think you were genuinely concerned about this.

joyful08

Who cares? Why be so petty? It's just creating drama for something that is so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 

Gingersnap

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

kerris713

When we found out we were having a girl, we still went with a green- nature themed bedroom. It's personal preference. Does she wear pink, yes, but personally I like her in blue- it brings out the color in her eyes. I find this to be a little nit-picky personally. TB gives you a choice and you can always be team green/yellow. No one is forcing you to do anything you're not comfortable with. 

FishyMom

Gingersnap said:

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

I use this term in my line of work regularly, normally I hear them referred to as catfish... but going forward I will refer to them as straw men!

Xstatic3333

FishyMom said:

Gingersnap said:

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

I use this term in my line of work regularly, normally I hear them referred to as catfish... but going forward I will refer to them as straw men!

That's actually not quite what it means, although I could see how you'd think so from the conversation.

I *think* it means an argument meant to use backwards logic to distract you from the real facts of the situation.  I forget the exact origin but I'm sure it's Wikipedia or something.

FishyMom

Xstatic3333 said:

FishyMom said:

Gingersnap said:

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

I use this term in my line of work regularly, normally I hear them referred to as catfish... but going forward I will refer to them as straw men!

That's actually not quite what it means, although I could see how you'd think so from the conversation.

I *think* it means an argument meant to use backwards logic to distract you from the real facts of the situation.  I forget the exact origin but I'm sure it's Wikipedia or something.

Huh... I suppose that would make more sense in my line of work, but I wonder what situation she is trying to distract from..... **squints eyes in suspicion**

MonaLisaRalphio

Xstatic3333 said:

FishyMom said:

Gingersnap said:

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

I use this term in my line of work regularly, normally I hear them referred to as catfish... but going forward I will refer to them as straw men!

That's actually not quite what it means, although I could see how you'd think so from the conversation.

I *think* it means an argument meant to use backwards logic to distract you from the real facts of the situation.  I forget the exact origin but I'm sure it's Wikipedia or something.

Yes, more specifically, a straw man attempts to give the impression of refuting an argument by refuting a point that is minimally or tangentially related to the general topic, but is not actually related to the discussion at hand. The complaint over the color of tickers/"team" colors is not really about those issues at all - it's an attempt to invalidate the larger discussion over sex vs gender via synecdoche. It's a false parallel. 

SSCmomma

Assigning a color that is associated with a particular sex is assuming sexual identity for later in life.  I know many parents who choose to dress there child in strictly neutrals or give them neutral toys so as not to influence their child later gender decision.  Declaring them pink or blue prior to them even being born and them claiming to be concerned about their gender identity seems contradictory.  There are a number of bump members who a very concerned with this topic and the importance of not labeling our children so the suggestion seems relevant to the audience.

FishyMom

So you are saying that other bump members have issues with people labeling their own children with team pink or blue?  What is it those other people to care/say what they 'label' their future child.  Why stop there?  Why should we be establishing these group of cells growing in our bellies as children? maybe they aren't and they don't identify as "children".

It's not like the bump doesn't give an option for a neutral ticker...

Whatevs... I don't think it is my business to care if another parent labels their child with a team blue or pink ticker.

kswiger06

This is where I'll exit from this particular topic. I see this turning sour very quickly 

Xstatic3333

Thanks @MonaLisaRalphio!  So well said.  

OP, still not clear what type of point you're trying but most on TB are aware of and sensitive to the sex/gender distinction and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

BumpasaurusRex

SSCmomma said:

Assigning a color that is associated with a particular sex is assuming sexual identity for later in life.  I know many parents who choose to dress there child in strictly neutrals or give them neutral toys so as not to influence their child later gender decision.  Declaring them pink or blue prior to them even being born and them claiming to be concerned about their gender identity seems contradictory.  There are a number of bump members who a very concerned with this topic and the importance of not labeling our children so the suggestion seems relevant to the audience.

Honestly, I think you're grasping at straws here (no pun intended).  
 

momousekee

SSCmomma said:

Assigning a color that is associated with a particular sex is assuming sexual identity for later in life.  I know many parents who choose to dress there child in strictly neutrals or give them neutral toys so as not to influence their child later gender decision.  Declaring them pink or blue prior to them even being born and them claiming to be concerned about their gender identity seems contradictory.  There are a number of bump members who a very concerned with this topic and the importance of not labeling our children so the suggestion seems relevant to the audience.

Eh. So is giving your child a name associated with a particular sex. Some parents choose  neutral names or names with neutral nicknames. Some don't. Neither is particular associated with later gender/sex mismatch. 

At some point, we'll all identify our kids by their sex - on their birth certificate if nowhere else. Some of them will  have a different gender identity, but it's not going to express itself in utero, or in the first few months of life. 

TarHeelBex

Assigning a color that is associated with a particular sex is assuming sexual identity when they are born because that's what he/she is at that time. Personally I could care less what colors my kid wears or what others buy him/her.  Once he/she is old enough to question gender identity, should that be the case, I would have no problem supporting him/her at that time.  

I will never claim to be an expert in gender identity or LGBTQ issues, however as a high school counselor I have worked with several students over the past 10 years who have been at varying stages in their gender identity development and transition.  In my own experience, I can't recall any of them ever mentioning the colors of their clothes, room, bedding, etc. that their parents chose for them in their first years of life as something that had any significant impact.  Again not an expert so not saying one isn't correlated with the other; however without a doubt what actually does matter is the level of support, knowledge, and understanding from the people around them, especially parents.  So yeah, talk about those things if you want to climb up on the soapbox, not the color of a stupid ticker.

WinchesterGirl

MonaLisaRalphio

FishyMom said:

Gingersnap said:

MonaLisaRalphio said:

I spy a straw man. 

I have never heard this phrase. 
:::runs off to google:::

I use this term in my line of work regularly, normally I hear them referred to as catfish... but going forward I will refer to them as straw men!

@FishyMom the "straw man fallacy," also called a "straw man argument," isn't related to catfishing. It's part of persuasive discourse or writing. I don't mean to be confusing! But it's not meant to be used interchangeably with "catfish"

MrsDramaK

Definitely agree with @MonaLisaRalphio that this is a straw man situation.  By going so far in one direction, it seems like she's trying to point out how wrong that stance is, but that's just how it looks to me.

Also I agree with @marriedhamstermom obviously dressing any future children in pink or blue isn't forcing them to be straight or gay, it's just an easy way to identify gender.  If the child is born one gender and decides it wants to be another, or both, or neither, they don't know enough at birth to resent you for putting them in the wrong color.  I think your taking this too far by suggesting we only use Black and White on here.

Gingersnap

All I have left to add is that I have a bit of a boner for @MonaLisaRalphio

MonaLisaRalphio

@gingersnap the feeling's mutual, toots

SSCmomma

MrsDramaK said:

Definitely agree with @MonaLisaRalphio that this is a straw man situation.  By going so far in one direction, it seems like she's trying to point out how wrong that stance is, but that's just how it looks to me.

Also I agree with @marriedhamstermom obviously dressing any future children in pink or blue isn't forcing them to be straight or gay, it's just an easy way to identify gender.  If the child is born one gender and decides it wants to be another, or both, or neither, they don't know enough at birth to resent you for putting them in the wrong color.  I think your taking this too far by suggesting we only use Black and White on here.

But a child is born a sex not a gender.  Gender isn't determined until later.

Gingersnap

BumpasaurusRex

Really? You took this to 1st tri, too?

What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish? 

To to be honest, you don't have to understand why anyone does anything.  It's not your business why people assign pink/blue/magenta/cerulean to their babies.

Find another pot to stir.

SweetT

Good grief 

fourPsinapod

What's happening he--.. Oh no..

kswiger06

@fourPsinapod ^ hilarious I laughed enough to look slightly crazy. I must be getting tired when I get a giggle fit like this.

SSCmomma

The whole premise of the gender/sex thing is that labeling a child prior to their personal decision is wrong.  So far as to say that using the term gender to describe how a child is born is offensive.  Although you have to wonder if this horrific error that seems to be so frequently made by new members of tb it is in fact a hypersensitive issue exclusive to tb since most people make it 20, 30 even 40+ years without ever having to address it in the real world.  What if a bump member is having a girl and wants to be team blue?  Should they be obligated to clarify the distinction in their preference because they don't identify with the correct team color?

Sincerely, the Scarecrow of straw.

joyful08