UO Thursday

NovaSaysNo

What's your unpopular opinion today?

[Deleted User]

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

princesslockness

Teachers and aids shouldn't have to call parents a certain number of times each grading section. 
It takes away from valuable class or prep time. Some parents need to just quit being lazy, and take care of their kids and check their grades.

I know that all of my students' parents have access to internet, as the library is open 6am-9pm weekdays with free wifi and computers/tablets.

[Deleted User]

Kate08Young said:

Teachers and aids shouldn't have to call parents a certain number of times each grading section. 
It takes away from valuable class or prep time. Some parents need to just quit being lazy, and take care of their kids and check their grades.

I know that all of my students' parents have access to internet, as the library is open 6am-9pm weekdays with free wifi and computers/tablets.

Gahhhhhh I hate this too!  It's my job to provide your kid with knowledge and understanding of a specific subject.  It is NOT my job (or at least it shouldn't be) to make sure you're paying attention to how your kid is doing in school.  Even if they DON'T have internet how about you call ME if you want to know.

simcal18

Kate08Young said:

Teachers and aids shouldn't have to call parents a certain number of times each grading section. 
It takes away from valuable class or prep time. Some parents need to just quit being lazy, and take care of their kids and check their grades.

I know that all of my students' parents have access to internet, as the library is open 6am-9pm weekdays with free wifi and computers/tablets.

Wait, you have to CALL parents now, unprompted, to explain to them how their child is doing in school?  Isn't that what report cards and/or parent-teacher conferences are for?  That's ridiculous.

atcwag

This time of year, I really hate my salaried position. I'm looking at 4 weeks in a row of 12+ hour Saturdays. Which pushes me well over 40 hours....If one more person says "think about how much money you're making", I may punch them. 

sLass42

@antoto I agree on the cloth. I had a friend who even used a cleaning service that would pickup/dropoff. she got one drop off with maggots in it ughh

@kate08young Wanted to go to school for teaching but seeing my teachers treated like daycare workers really turned me off of it.

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

juliehollz13

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

DCHokiemom

I don't think transgendered boys should be allowed to use the girls locker room or restrooms at public schools.  I was watching a story last night about a family suing a school because their transgendered son was told he could use the teacher bathroom or the unisex handicapped bathroom.  They said it made him feel different than everyone else and was negatively impacting his self esteem.  But where are the advocates for how the girls feel?  The teenage years are a really impressionable time for girls, and many already struggle with self consciousness.  Has anyone taken into account how they may feel to undress in front of a boy (regardless if that boy calls himself "she")....Our society as a whole has become way too PC, trying to cater to every demographic that claims discrimination or some other negative association.  Of course I think it's important to keep those people in mind, but I think the feelings of others shouldn't be left by the wayside in an effort to accommodate every single one off situation out there.  Whew....that was longer than I had planned:/

DCHokiemom

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

I have four friends that cloth diaper and all of their kids are over the age of 2 and not potty trained yet.  I only have one friend who has a kid under two that is potty trained and he's in disposables. 

[Deleted User]

sLass42 said:

@antoto I agree on the cloth. I had a friend who even used a cleaning service that would pickup/dropoff. she got one drop off with maggots in it ughh

@kate08young Wanted to go to school for teaching but seeing my teachers treated like daycare workers really turned me off of it.

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

Are you friends with me on Facebook? Oh wait I'm not a vegan but I don't consume grains or dairy... so similar.

And you're right that is unpopular.

anj27

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

Which means the studies of environmental impact will be skewed. Cloth diapers are also reused for multiple children within the household and beyond and I don't know if that is taken into consideration when they talk about the environmental impacts of growing cotton and the manufacturing process. 

The environmental impact of cloth vs. disposable is still debatable, IMO. It does seem like there are better disposable diaper options available and even the main stream brands are working to reduce their impact as of late, and I think that is in direct response to the fact that more and more people are favoring cloth. Even just the fact that people are doing research before choosing one way or the other IMO is progress in the right direction and again attributable to the growing popularity of cloth diapering. So I guess to me that all adds up to cloth diapering not being dumb. 

simcal18

sLass42 said:

@antoto I agree on the cloth. I had a friend who even used a cleaning service that would pickup/dropoff. she got one drop off with maggots in it ughh

As for the whole feminism thing .  .  . this is the UO thread, so I'll mostly leave it alone.  All I'll say is that if you want the "cookie cutter," SAHM houswife option, you are still entirely free to do that.  No one is stopping you, let alone feminists (although many people, feminist or not, would tell you that it would be smart to at least have the capacity to be self-supporting in the unfortunate event of divorce, or God forbid injury/death of DH).  What feminists did was fight so that you didn't HAVE to be a cookie cutter housewife if you didn't want to be one.

[Deleted User]

anj27 said:

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

Which means the studies of environmental impact will be skewed. Cloth diapers are also reused for multiple children within the household and beyond and I don't know if that is taken into consideration when they talk about the environmental impacts of growing cotton and the manufacturing process. 

The environmental impact of cloth vs. disposable is still debatable, IMO. It does seem like there are better disposable diaper options available and even the main stream brands are working to reduce their impact as of late, and I think that is in direct response to the fact that more and more people are favoring cloth. Even just the fact that people are doing research before choosing one way or the other IMO is progress in the right direction and again attributable to the growing popularity of cloth diapering. So I guess to me that all adds up to cloth diapering not being dumb. 

Ohhhh these are good points - especially if you want a larger family.  I think I'll be one and done - but that's definitely something to consider for others - thanks for the knowledge bomb!

britters314

sLass42 said:

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

Okay, so I'm also not a super, extreme feminist, to the first bolded: not every man has more physical ability to do this than every woman, which is why it is stupid that pay would be based just on gender. It could be based on how many tracks get laid per day or something else that actually measures how much each person is able to do instead.

To the second bolded: I do get you here. I mean, you do still have the option but it is starting to feel like women who do want to still be SAHMs or SAHWs are looked down on and, on the extreme end, told they are anti woman because they don't want to break the mold. I plan on being a SAHM and I've definitely gotten some judgmental comments when I've told people this.

PeggyOlsonFTW

**Lurking siggy warning***

@antoto We cloth diapered DS. If washed properly (ie/ not according to the diaper manufacturer's instructions, but common sense and www.fluffloveuniversity.com), you're not using as much water as studies would have you believe. Plus, you keep disposable diapers out of landfills. I think the biggest savings come when you use them for a second or third child. But, cloth isn't for everyone and that's cool too. 

Oh, and DS started potty training at 25 months. He's not a speshul unicorn baby who trained early because he wore cloth. I think those claims are BS. ETA: as a matter of fact, none of the cloth diapered babies I know were potty trained before two. And no, their parents weren't doing it wrong.

Back to lurking....

anj27

@antoto There is a decent market for used cloth diapers or you could always pass them onto friends/family. I do commend you for doing research and making an informed decision. 

As for the other UOs, I am feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the "good" UOs today. I don't think I have the time or energy to write out proper rebuttals for so many in one day. I do have work to do, you guys! 

simcal18

britters314 said:

sLass42 said:

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

Okay, so I'm also not a super, extreme feminist, to the first bolded: not every man has more physical ability to do this than every woman, which is why it is stupid that pay would be based just on gender. It could be based on how many tracks get laid per day or something else that actually measures how much each person is able to do instead.

To the second bolded: I do get you here. I mean, you do still have the option but it is starting to feel like women who do want to still be SAHMs or SAHWs are looked down on and, on the extreme end, told they are anti woman because they don't want to break the mold. I plan on being a SAHM and I've definitely gotten some judgmental comments when I've told people this.

Women who work are judged too for "abandoning their children at daycare" or "letting someone else raise their children" or other such nonsense.  Unfortunately in the mommy wars culture we have these days, escaping judgment for your parenting choices is impossible.

britters314

DCHokiemom said:

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

I have four friends that cloth diaper and all of their kids are over the age of 2 and not potty trained yet.  I only have one friend who has a kid under two that is potty trained and he's in disposables. 

She did say "if done properly." Maybe your friends aren't doing it properly..

I want to cloth diaper for a lot of reasons (I don't try to push it on other people, though), but I already have reusable pads, use reusable washcloths instead of paper towels for most things, and plan to also start using reusable toilet paper as well (this only gets used for #1, not #2 btw).

But I also love doing laundry... Maybe that's my UO for today lol

momstahp

Reading this UO thread like...

anj27

britters314 said:

She did say "if done properly." Maybe your friends aren't doing it properly..

I want to cloth diaper for a lot of reasons (I don't try to push it on other people, though), but I already have reusable pads, use reusable washcloths instead of paper towels for most things, and plan to also start using reusable toilet paper as well (this only gets used for #1, not #2 btw).

But I also love doing laundry... Maybe that's my UO for today lol

THAT may be the most controversial one today, to me at least! 

LoveIsOwlYouNeed

simcal18 said:

Kate08Young said:

Teachers and aids shouldn't have to call parents a certain number of times each grading section. 
It takes away from valuable class or prep time. Some parents need to just quit being lazy, and take care of their kids and check their grades.

I know that all of my students' parents have access to internet, as the library is open 6am-9pm weekdays with free wifi and computers/tablets.

Wait, you have to CALL parents now, unprompted, to explain to them how their child is doing in school?  Isn't that what report cards and/or parent-teacher conferences are for?  That's ridiculous.

Can we parents opt out of this to make teacher's lives easier? Or does that make it worse for them?

britters314

anj27 said:

britters314 said:

She did say "if done properly." Maybe your friends aren't doing it properly..

I want to cloth diaper for a lot of reasons (I don't try to push it on other people, though), but I already have reusable pads, use reusable washcloths instead of paper towels for most things, and plan to also start using reusable toilet paper as well (this only gets used for #1, not #2 btw).

But I also love doing laundry... Maybe that's my UO for today lol

THAT may be the most controversial one today, to me at least! 

Yeah, I know, I'm weird lol. There's just something about a big warm pile of clean clothes

[Deleted User]

britters314 said:

sLass42 said:

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

Okay, so I'm also not a super, extreme feminist, to the first bolded: not every man has more physical ability to do this than every woman, which is why it is stupid that pay would be based just on gender. It could be based on how many tracks get laid per day or something else that actually measures how much each person is able to do instead.

To the second bolded: I do get you here. I mean, you do still have the option but it is starting to feel like women who do want to still be SAHMs or SAHWs are looked down on and, on the extreme end, told they are anti woman because they don't want to break the mold. I plan on being a SAHM and I've definitely gotten some judgmental comments when I've told people this.

To the bolded - every time I see people say this I assume they don't actually know what feminism is.  I guess that's another UO for me today.

The only people I've ever personally heard talk down to about SAHMs are men... but I suppose that's just my experience.

I AM a "super extreme feminist"  (in the way that I ... am a feminist) and me and all of my super extreme feminist friends totally respect  SAHMs or ARE SAHMs.  So the perception that we contribute to the disrespect of "cookie cutter 50s" women is simply false.

britters314

@simcal18  Yeah, I know women are judged no matter what, but 60 years ago women would have been judged for working and now women are judged for working and women are judged for not working. So while women's equality has definitely improved, we have also added an issue. And I'm not saying we should go back to the 1950s, but we should definitely work on both of these issues and many people only look at the issues for women who are working.

DCHokiemom

@britters314 , it's diapering, not rocket science.  Im sure they figured it out. 

LoveIsOwlYouNeed

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

And you know this...how?  I mean seriously...unless you have studies or something to back this up, it sounds like you're going off a limited number of anecdotes as opposed to  actual data.

@slass42, I don't think you understand what feminism is.  Because it part it is absolutely that if you, sLass want to stay home, make home-cooked meals and not drive, you, sLass can do that but I, Owl, can work and use daycare. And for the record, a lot of working moms don't do take out on the regular. Feminism just means that you don't believe men are inherently worth more than women and deserve the same rights and opportunities, if they want to pursue them. It doesn't mean you don't acknowledge actual differences between the sexes, just that those differences don't make one sex superior to the other.

Also, BTW, most 50s housewives drove... 

britters314

DCHokiemom said:

@britters314 , it's diapering, not rocket science.  Im sure they figured it out. 

I never assume people can figure anything out lol. You never know...

Also the issue could have been the type of diapers they used. Some cloth diapers use stay-dry materials (like disposables) and the main reason cloth diapering leads to early potty training is because kids learn they don't like to sit in a wet diaper. So if the diapers have the stay-dry materials that wouldn't lead to earlier potty training.

LoveIsOwlYouNeed

britters314 said:

DCHokiemom said:

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

I have four friends that cloth diaper and all of their kids are over the age of 2 and not potty trained yet.  I only have one friend who has a kid under two that is potty trained and he's in disposables. 

She did say "if done properly." Maybe your friends aren't doing it properly..

I want to cloth diaper for a lot of reasons (I don't try to push it on other people, though), but I already have reusable pads, use reusable washcloths instead of paper towels for most things, and plan to also start using reusable toilet paper as well (this only gets used for #1, not #2 btw).

But I also love doing laundry... Maybe that's my UO for today lol

Even the folding and putting away part?  That's where you usually lose me.

I really like grocery shopping...and I don't mind cleaning the bathroom because it's such a fast room to clean... Maybe that's my UO today.

britters314

@LoveIsOwlYouNeed  That's the best part! That's when the clothes are clean and warm!

I have to disagree with you on the bathroom, though. But that might be because I was a janitor for 8 years... Also we got a roommate this past year and he seems to have really terrible aim (it wasn't like this when it was just my husband and me) 

kmmnocal

@sLass42 legit curious what you mean by
"Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy."

...with the disclaimer that I do consider myself a feminist and managed to live without a man, even lifting heavy boxes and everything, for 30 years of my life. I am happy I had that option. Totally cool that you do you, but I can't work out what would be "trashy" about a strong and independent female?

momstahp

LoveIsOwlYouNeed said:

****SNIP****

And you know this...how?  I mean seriously...unless you have studies or something to back this up, it sounds like you're going off a limited number of anecdotes as opposed to  actual data.

@slass42, I don't think you understand what feminism is.  Because it part it is absolutely that if you, sLass want to stay home, make home-cooked meals and not drive, you, sLass can do that but I, Owl, can work and use daycare. And for the record, a lot of working moms don't do take out on the regular. Feminism just means that you don't believe men are inherently worth more than women and deserve the same rights and opportunities, if they want to pursue them. It doesn't mean you don't acknowledge actual differences between the sexes, just that those differences don't make one sex superior to the other.

Also, BTW, most 50s housewives drove... 

[Deleted User]

DCHokiemom said:

I don't think transgendered boys should be allowed to use the girls locker room or restrooms at public schools.  I was watching a story last night about a family suing a school because their transgendered son was told he could use the teacher bathroom or the unisex handicapped bathroom.  They said it made him feel different than everyone else and was negatively impacting his self esteem.  But where are the advocates for how the girls feel?  The teenage years are a really impressionable time for girls, and many already struggle with self consciousness.  Has anyone taken into account how they may feel to undress in front of a boy (regardless if that boy calls himself "she")....Our society as a whole has become way too PC, trying to cater to every demographic that claims discrimination or some other negative association.  Of course I think it's important to keep those people in mind, but I think the feelings of others shouldn't be left by the wayside in an effort to accommodate every single one off situation out there.  Whew....that was longer than I had planned:/

Sorry, can't help it.  It's not FFF after all...

Bringmemylongswordho

My UO. I hate it when people complain about our society being "too PC" or "too sensitive ". What you're really saying is " I don't like that people are calling me out for being racist/classist/sexist/an asshole" it's right up there with people confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences of what they say. 

anj27

sLass42 said:

@antoto I agree on the cloth. I had a friend who even used a cleaning service that would pickup/dropoff. she got one drop off with maggots in it ughh

@kate08young Wanted to go to school for teaching but seeing my teachers treated like daycare workers really turned me off of it.

My unpopular opinion is a little controversial....I'm anti-extreme feminism. lol
I'm not anti women or anti feminist, i just dislike the extremists
I'm all about equality but women and men are not equal. We can obviously physically do things they cant and vice versa. In an office setting yes the genders should receive equal pay...but if we're laying railroad tracks I'd definitely expect a man to make more considering his physical ability exceeds mine.
I think we've lost some traditional values along the super feminist road too. Girls consider acting like men being equal, when sometimes its just plain trashy.
I'm definitely the 50s housewife-dont work-dont drive type and Im honestly upset that I no longer have the cookie cutter option. I'd rather stay home and make sure my kids and husband are happy and completely taken care than use daycares and order take out. My friend is a yoga teacher/vegan/super feminist so anytime i post something on FB about how silly feminists are being (on one subject or another) she gets highly offended.

There's so much more I rant on with this, but thats a summary and my sickly brain isn't working right

I'm not even sure what you mean by "cookie cutter" but what do you mean you don't have the option? What is stopping you from being a SAHM or SAHW if that is what you want and what does that have to do with feminism? 

britters314

@antoto   I was just using the PP's wording - I know what feminism is. And I know not all feminists look down on SAHMs, but I have personally been looked down on by other women because I want to be a SAHM and not keep working. So.. that's my experience.

[Deleted User]

britters314 said:

@antoto   I was just using the PP's wording - I know what feminism is. And I know not all feminists look down on SAHMs, but I have personally been looked down on by other women because I want to be a SAHM and not keep working. So.. that's my experience.

And they made those comments as self proclaimed feminists, citing feminism specifically as their reason for looking down on you?

LoveIsOwlYouNeed

britters314 said:

@LoveIsOwlYouNeed  That's the best part! That's when the clothes are clean and warm!

I have to disagree with you on the bathroom, though. But that might be because I was a janitor for 8 years... Also we got a roommate this past year and he seems to have really terrible aim (it wasn't like this when it was just my husband and me) 

Yeah...that would definitely do it!  Eeeek!

CopperBoom86

DCHokiemom said:

I don't think transgendered boys should be allowed to use the girls locker room or restrooms at public schools.  I was watching a story last night about a family suing a school because their transgendered son was told he could use the teacher bathroom or the unisex handicapped bathroom.  They said it made him feel different than everyone else and was negatively impacting his self esteem.  But where are the advocates for how the girls feel?  The teenage years are a really impressionable time for girls, and many already struggle with self consciousness.  Has anyone taken into account how they may feel to undress in front of a boy (regardless if that boy calls himself "she")....Our society as a whole has become way too PC, trying to cater to every demographic that claims discrimination or some other negative association.  Of course I think it's important to keep those people in mind, but I think the feelings of others shouldn't be left by the wayside in an effort to accommodate every single one off situation out there.  Whew....that was longer than I had planned:/

I'd just like to say I agree completely. Flame me if you wish, but these are the types of issues that arise when you blur gender lines. I could go for days on this topic, but I'll just say that male parts belong in the male restroom and female parts belong in the female restroom. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not their feelings or sexuality is validated. It has everything to do with genetic make-up and also, as you stated, not disregarding the feelings of all the other children involved.

furbabymom2007

britters314 said:

@antoto   I was just using the PP's wording - I know what feminism is. And I know not all feminists look down on SAHMs, but I have personally been looked down on by other women because I want to be a SAHM and not keep working. So.. that's my experience.

I have been given a hard time about even considering being a SAHM.  And it's not always by women.  I don't know that it has anything to do with feminism but more people just being assholes to people who have different priorities.  I work in a technical field and worked hard to get an advanved degree but god forbid I even consider choosing to stay home a raise a child.  I was told it would be a waste of an education.  At that point I walked away before I angry cried. 

I haven't even made up my mind yet (plus I have to actually get KU first so there is that lol).  There is a part of me that says "hey, I am a reasonably intelligent person.... If I give up my career to raise children into (hopefully) intelligent adults, then what the heck is wrong with that? How could that be considered a waste?"

juliehollz13

LoveIsOwlYouNeed said:

juliehollz13 said:

antoto said:

After looking into all the research and facts I think cloth diapering is dumb.  It isn't any better for the environment.  And while it is less expensive, I like to think my time and energy isn't worthless and it just isn't worth attaching a poop sprayer to my toilet, spending hours washing, re washing, air drying a bunch of diapers.  

Nope.  I plan on using disposables.  Thanks.

The good part about cloth diapering is that if done properly the child will be potty trained by 12-15 months Vs. 3 years. Everyone in my family was cloth diapered, I was potty trained by 9 months *swells with pride*...lol

And you know this...how?  I mean seriously...unless you have studies or something to back this up, it sounds like you're going off a limited number of anecdotes as opposed to  actual data.

@slass42, I don't think you understand what feminism is.  Because it part it is absolutely that if you, sLass want to stay home, make home-cooked meals and not drive, you, sLass can do that but I, Owl, can work and use daycare. And for the record, a lot of working moms don't do take out on the regular. Feminism just means that you don't believe men are inherently worth more than women and deserve the same rights and opportunities, if they want to pursue them. It doesn't mean you don't acknowledge actual differences between the sexes, just that those differences don't make one sex superior to the other.

Also, BTW, most 50s housewives drove... 


*quote box fail* Uh, I don't think you need "studies to back it up" when everyone you know was cloth diapered and potty trained by the same time you were. I was raised in Russia and we didnt get diapers imported until mid 90's.....so I guess if you call the population of Russia a "limited number" then my argument is invalid. American's are so obsessed with "data" that they will ignore any real life examples or lessons because it's not published in a nationally publicized magazine or website. 

And I encouraged by SIL to cloth diaper and her youngest whines/fusses when she has to go potty about 60% of the time.....she's 7 months old...

Not saying cloth diapering is for everyone but there's definitely big perks.