I will absolutely getting the flu shot for all of the reasons mentioned by PP, as I do every year. I live in NYC and commute daily on the subway, it's too much of a risk to even consider not getting it particularly now that I'm pregnant.
Right on that vac truth site that kewlchiky posted, it says this: The information contained within the VacTruth.com website is commentary or opinion and is protected under Free Speech. Individual articles are based upon the opinions of the respective author, who retains copyright as marked. The information on this website is not intended to replace a relationship with a qualified health care professional and is not intended as medical advice. By using the information presented on this website, you agree to take FULL responsibility for yourself.
Can you find a published, peer-reviewed scientific journal article that supports this article? If you do your research, you will find that having the FLU during pregnancy dramatically increases miscarriage and stillbirth rate. They have also done extensive studies that have linked mothers having the flu during pregnancy to psychological problems later in life as previously mentioned. This information was found in credible sources.
Did you even read this article? It's about the H1N1 vaccine from 2009, and even mentions that the risk from the seasonal flu vaccine is minimal. Even if it weren't from a biased site that was not properly citing medical journals. Reading comprehension, yo.
Did you even read this article? It's about the H1N1 vaccine from 2009, and even mentions that the risk from the seasonal flu vaccine is minimal. Even if it weren't from a biased site that was not properly citing medical journals. Reading comprehension, yo.
True....but if you read the package insert for your flu shot the H1N1 is in there.
Did you even read this article? It's about the H1N1 vaccine from 2009, and even mentions that the risk from the seasonal flu vaccine is minimal. Even if it weren't from a biased site that was not properly citing medical journals. Reading comprehension, yo.
True....but if you read the package insert for your flu shot the H1N1 is in there.
In 1 vaccine. This article is specifically about the risk of two.
Not here to force my beliefs. Just passing on information I thought might be helpful. However, It seems as though there are people in this group who would prefer no one disagree with them on this subject. Kind of disheartening honestly.
I don't prefer no one disagree with me, I just prefer those who do disagree back up their claims with scientific evidence. Otherwise, dangerous and incorrect "medical opinions" are spread.
Your first link is sponsored by NCOW, which presents itself as an organization but is literally one woman: Eileen Dannerman, a woman whose life mission is to do away with vaccines. Any scientific, non-biased "research" in this article is a joke.
It also "concludes" that one ingredient in flu vaccines, Thimerosal, causes an increase in instances of infant death. This has been debunked by the CDC. None-the-less, pregnant women are advised to request the preservative-free flu vaccine, which DOES NOT contain Thimerosal.
So the whole "study" hinges on showing Thimerosal (and misleadingly, the entire flu vaccine) causes infant death (which it doesn't) which really is completely beside the point anyway -- pregnant women don't receive Thimerosal in flu vaccines.
ETA: for anyone curious, since 2001 there are NO infant vaccines that contain Thimerosal. The only exception is the flu vaccine, and the risk is so minimal that the medical community considers it safe. If you're still concerned, the preservative-free vaccine can be requested for your child.
I also wanted to add that, just in case this Thimerosal fear has anyone twisted up about other vaccines: 1) Thimerosal is not used or is only used in trace (read: absolutely non-toxic) amounts in any vaccine given to children under the age of six and 2) it is not used in any vaccines approved since 2001 that could be administered to children according to CDC procedures. This is precautionary since Thimerosal has been studied further and has been found to not be associated with negative outcomes.
I'd love to see your peer reviewed articles that tells us flu shots or any vaccines for that matter are 100% safe.
Sorry. But your doctor is paid to tell you they are safe. He is getting a nice bonus when all his patients are complient and get their shot. He tells you they are safe bc that's what the money making manufacturers tell him. So shown me the research they are safe. Too many side effects and the damage payouts would boggle your mind. Also, flu shot injuries are the most compensated in vaccine court. Millions payed out to those who have already been permanently disabled by a vaccine.
I don't prefer no one disagree with me, I just prefer those who do disagree back up their claims with scientific evidence. Otherwise, dangerous and incorrect "medical opinions" are spread.
Your first link is sponsored by NCOW, which presents itself as an organization but is literally one woman: Eileen Dannerman, a woman whose life mission is to do away with vaccines. Any scientific, non-biased "research" in this article is a joke.
It also "concludes" that one ingredient in flu vaccines, Thimerosal, causes an increase in instances of infant death. This has been debunked by the CDC. None-the-less, pregnant women are advised to request the preservative-free flu vaccine, which DOES NOT contain Thimerosal.
So the whole "study" hinges on showing Thimerosal (and misleadingly, the entire flu vaccine) causes infant death (which it doesn't) which really is completely beside the point anyway -- pregnant women don't receive Thimerosal in flu vaccines.
ETA: for anyone curious, since 2001 there are NO infant vaccines that contain Thimerosal. The only exception is the flu vaccine, and the risk is so minimal that the medical community considers it safe. If you're still concerned, the preservative-free vaccine can be requested for your child.
I'd love to see your peer reviewed articles that tells us flu shots or any vaccines for that matter are 100% safe.
Sorry. But your doctor is paid to tell you they are safe. He is getting a nice bonus when all his patients are complient and get their shot. He tells you they are safe bc that's what the money making manufacturers tell him. So shown me the research they are safe. Too many side effects and the damage payouts would boggle your mind. Also, flu shot injuries are the most compensated in vaccine court. Millions payed out to those who have already been permanently disabled by a vaccine.
OMG.
(Me) 30 & (DH) 32 {Together 11 years - Married 04.17.15}
Okay, I'll play again. These are only a few of the many peer-reviewed studies that prove the safety of ingredients in the vaccine, and the safety of getting the vaccine. The last three actually refer to studies that have shown decreased risk of miscarriage and birth defects for the fetus of mothers who are vaccinated vs. those who are not vaccinated.
Also, vaccine court (Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims) is largely political and takes a "help the family" stance. It was never meant to be used as proof of anything scientific. A person doesn't need to prove that a vaccine caused a reaction to get paid, only that a reaction or medical condition developed around the same time as a vaccine. There is an extremely low burden of proof.
Can you pick an argument here? It's like you're throwing things against a wall to see what sticks.
First you source a "study" that examined one particular year and was not even looking at the seasonal flu vaccine, and you use that as a reason not to vaccinate.
Then you source another "study" that points to a particular ingredient THAT'S NOT EVEN GIVEN TO PREGNANT WOMEN as a cause for fetal death (which it doesn't) and use that as a reason not to vaccinate.
Sigh. It won't let me edit. I wanted to clarify that the fda link is obviously not a study, though the others are. FDA link is simply there to give another source of Q & A for the common ingredients in vaccines based on studies.
I mean, I shouldn't trust my doctor because they are paid to do so and make money. I guess that 10 years of school was for nothing for a medical degree.
(Me) 30 & (DH) 32 {Together 11 years - Married 04.17.15}
I'll be getting mine as soon as I'm out of the first trimester.
I had complications once due to bad nursing (there was some confusion as to where she should infect me, several people touched the site and then she didn't wipe it with the alcohol swab again before inserting the needle). That resulted in bacteria being pushed through and a serious skin infection (cellulitis). I had super high fever and required 5 days of IV anitbiotics and fluids.
I was 9 wks into my 3rd PREGNANCY when I had the shot. I lost the baby due to the fever and infection but NOT as a reaction to the flu shot.
I had the flu shot when I was carrying the twins, but was probably 14-15 weeks at the time. I had no adverse reactions and the babies were fine. No one got the flu either.
My girls and I will all be getting the flue shot every year. I have elderly parents, lots of young ones around and friends who have had lung transplants none of them can afford to be exposed. So we do our part to keep them safe.
____________________________
Breast Cancer diagnosis 12/01/2010 - Survivor and Cancer free as of 03/22/2011 BFP#1 04/12/2011 - fetal demise - MC 05/28/2011
BFP#2 10/14/2011 - fetal demise - MC 12/13/2011
BFP#3 05/30/2012 - fetal demise - MC 07/23/2012
IVF#1 02/14/2013 - 2 Beautiful Blasts transferred
BFP#4 02/25/2013 - BFP - MC and ectopic 03/06/2013 IFV#2 07/02/2013 -BFP#5 - 07/07/2013 1st Beta 07/11/2013 - 483 (9dp5dt) - 2nd Beta 07/13/2013 1006 (11dp5dt)
1st U/S 07/31/2013 - TWINS! "The Minions"
IVF#3 BFP#6 09/01/2015 6dp5dt 1st Beta 09/05/2015 - 105 - 2nd Beta 09/08/2015 335 1st U/S 09/22/2015 - .......
I read the packets for the flu shots. They read "should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed" they also report an efficacy rate of only 42%. So more than likely you're not being protected even if you do get it.
@BabyVDM the love it is for support as well as your logical and well-reasoned actions. I'm very sorry that a nurse's cleanliness incompetence led to an infection and a loss.
@BabyVDM the love it is for support as well as your logical and well-reasoned actions. I'm very sorry that a nurse's cleanliness incompetence led to an infection and a loss.
I'd love to see your peer reviewed articles that tells us flu shots or any vaccines for that matter are 100% safe.
Sorry. But your doctor is paid to tell you they are safe. He is getting a nice bonus when all his patients are complient and get their shot. He tells you they are safe bc that's what the money making manufacturers tell him. So shown me the research they are safe. Too many side effects and the damage payouts would boggle your mind. Also, flu shot injuries are the most compensated in vaccine court. Millions payed out to those who have already been permanently disabled by a vaccine.
LOL. Can you prove that your baby will be 100% safe if you don't get the shot and consequently end up with the flu?
I sincerely hope that you do not get the flu and your baby is fine, but you cannot guarantee that. A flu shot cannot guarantee that either, but don't you want to give your baby the best chance?
Also, science. Take a science course. Learn about immunology. Learn how your immune system works. Learn how every single ingredient placed in a vaccine is in there because it helps your immune system produce antibodies and makes the vaccine more effective. Your arguments are flawed because you have no science to back it up.
ALSO, how many millions of lives have those "money-making manufacturers" saved? On the other side of pharm companies are real scientists, doing really experiments, and getting real results. Which in turn, saves so many lives every year. Educate yourself.
LOL. Can you prove that your baby will be 100% safe if you don't get the shot and consequently end up with the flu?
I sincerely hope that you do not get the flu and your baby is fine, but you cannot guarantee that. A flu shot cannot guarantee that either, but don't you want to give your baby the best chance?
Also, science. Take a science course. Learn about immunology. Learn how your immune system works. Learn how every single ingredient placed in a vaccine is in there because it helps your immune system produce antibodies and makes the vaccine more effective. Your arguments are flawed because you have no science to back it up.
ALSO, how many millions of lives have those "money-making manufacturers" saved? On the other side of pharm companies are real scientists, doing really experiments, and getting real results. Which in turn, saves so many lives every year. Educate yourself.
I love it when people smarter than me say smart things =D>
I'd love to see your peer reviewed articles that tells us flu shots or any vaccines for that matter are 100% safe.
Sorry. But your doctor is paid to tell you they are safe. He is getting a nice bonus when all his patients are complient and get their shot. He tells you they are safe bc that's what the money making manufacturers tell him. So shown me the research they are safe. Too many side effects and the damage payouts would boggle your mind. Also, flu shot injuries are the most compensated in vaccine court. Millions payed out to those who have already been permanently disabled by a vaccine.
I can give you plenty of peer reviewed articles that will tell you that getting the FLU during pregnancy is 100% unsafe. And that's what you need to think about. Not only are you putting yourself and your baby in immediate risk... But the flu can have adverse effects on brain development that only show up later in the child's life (in the form of mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder). If the scientific community overwhelmingly agrees that the flu is unsafe for pregnant women and that the vaccine is safe... Seems like a no brainer. You seem to think that we are all taking a big risk in getting the vaccine, but you are taking a much bigger one.
I'm required by my employer to get the flu shot so I'll receive it around October. I just wish the percentage rate of effectiveness was higher. Last years was almost completely ineffective due to rapid mutation and I've heard this years is not going to be much better. But I guess any protection I can get is better than nothing.
Hey all, I'm a pharmacist in canada. North Americans typically all receive the same flu shot. You're right in saying last years wasn't that effective. Our pharmacy info is telling us this years is much better.
It's great to read how many of you are really well educated on this topic and have either had or are going to have their shots. I'm certainly getting mine. The risk of getting the flu is far higher than any risk the vaccine itself prevents.
Also remember this: it's not just about you. The purpose of vaccination is to provide herd immunity. This means that all the people able to be vaccinated, should do so, so those of us who can't (eg some medical conditions, immunocomprimised people, those going through chemo etc) benefit by having less risk of the disease being transmitted to them. You are protecting your baby, yourself and those around us. Don't be selfish...get vaccinated. There are no studies showing any fetal harm from a flu shot...if there were, it wouldn't be available.
I will definitely be getting a flu shot. I have gotten one every year since my first pregnancy. When I was pregnant with DD, DH came down with the flu really bad. It lasted about 2 weeks. He chose not to get a flu shot that year (which I was upset about). But, since I got my flu shot, I never even got a sniffle. I truly believe the flu shot will protect you and your baby from a potentially dangerous infection.
I'd love to see your peer reviewed articles that tells us flu shots or any vaccines for that matter are 100% safe.
I work for a university with a big research library. Here's a couple cites for you. If you want the PDFs, just PM me and I'll download them and send them to you.
Mackenzie, I. S., MacDonald, T. M., Shakir, S., Dryburgh, M., Mantay, B. J., McDonnell, P., & Layton, D. (2012). Influenza H1N1 (swine flu) vaccination: a safety surveillance feasibility study using self‐reporting of serious adverse events and pregnancy outcomes. British journal of clinical pharmacology, 73(5), 801-811.
Naleway, A. L., Smith, W. J., & Mullooly, J. P. (2006). Delivering influenza vaccine to pregnant women. Epidemiologic reviews.
Tavares, F., Nazareth, I., Monegal, J. S., Kolte, I., Verstraeten, T., & Bauchau, V. (2011). Pregnancy and safety outcomes in women vaccinated with an AS03-adjuvanted split virion H1N1 (2009) pandemic influenza vaccine during pregnancy: a prospective cohort study. Vaccine, 29(37), 6358-6365.
Hold everything. In the OB vs Midwife thread @Kewlchiky claims she's a nurse. I need to know everything about this (I'm genuinely interested):
Do you work in a traditional medical setting (dr's office or hospital)? Do your co-workers know you don't keep up to date with vaccinations? Are you allowed to work with vulnerable (immunocompromised) patients? Are your unvaccinated children allowed to visit you at work? Do you advise patients not to vaccinate? SO MANY QUESTIONS.
Re: Flu shot anyone?
Do you seriously use this website as a source from which you base your medical decisions?
If you do your research, you will find that having the FLU during pregnancy dramatically increases miscarriage and stillbirth rate. They have also done extensive studies that have linked mothers having the flu during pregnancy to psychological problems later in life as previously mentioned. This information was found in credible sources.
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/flu-vaccine-caused-3587-us-miscarriages- stillbirths/
Your first link is sponsored by NCOW, which presents itself as an organization but is literally one woman: Eileen Dannerman, a woman whose life mission is to do away with vaccines. Any scientific, non-biased "research" in this article is a joke.
It also "concludes" that one ingredient in flu vaccines, Thimerosal, causes an increase in instances of infant death. This has been debunked by the CDC. None-the-less, pregnant women are advised to request the preservative-free flu vaccine, which DOES NOT contain Thimerosal.
So the whole "study" hinges on showing Thimerosal (and misleadingly, the entire flu vaccine) causes infant death (which it doesn't) which really is completely beside the point anyway -- pregnant women don't receive Thimerosal in flu vaccines.
ETA: for anyone curious, since 2001 there are NO infant vaccines that contain Thimerosal. The only exception is the flu vaccine, and the risk is so minimal that the medical community considers it safe. If you're still concerned, the preservative-free vaccine can be requested for your child.
Sorry. But your doctor is paid to tell you they are safe. He is getting a nice bonus when all his patients are complient and get their shot. He tells you they are safe bc that's what the money making manufacturers tell him. So shown me the research they are safe. Too many side effects and the damage payouts would boggle your mind. Also, flu shot injuries are the most compensated in vaccine court. Millions payed out to those who have already been permanently disabled by a vaccine.
First you source a "study" that examined one particular year and was not even looking at the seasonal flu vaccine, and you use that as a reason not to vaccinate.
Then you source another "study" that points to a particular ingredient THAT'S NOT EVEN GIVEN TO PREGNANT WOMEN as a cause for fetal death (which it doesn't) and use that as a reason not to vaccinate.
Now you're saying you won't vaccinate because nobody can show you it's 100% safe? Of course that can't be shown, NOTHING is 100% safe. Your prenatal may not even be safe according to this blog: https://www.babble.com/pregnancy/not-taking-prenatal-vitamins-diet-pregnancy-dos-and-donts/ (see? I can source nut jobs too).
At this point it seems like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I'm out. It's like talking to a wall.
I'll be getting mine as soon as I'm out of the first trimester.
I had complications once due to bad nursing (there was some confusion as to where she should infect me, several people touched the site and then she didn't wipe it with the alcohol swab again before inserting the needle). That resulted in bacteria being pushed through and a serious skin infection (cellulitis). I had super high fever and required 5 days of IV anitbiotics and fluids.
I was 9 wks into my 3rd PREGNANCY when I had the shot. I lost the baby due to the fever and infection but NOT as a reaction to the flu shot.
I had the flu shot when I was carrying the twins, but was probably 14-15 weeks at the time. I had no adverse reactions and the babies were fine. No one got the flu either.
My girls and I will all be getting the flue shot every year. I have elderly parents, lots of young ones around and friends who have had lung transplants none of them can afford to be exposed. So we do our part to keep them safe.
____________________________
Breast Cancer diagnosis 12/01/2010 - Survivor and Cancer free as of 03/22/2011
BFP#1 04/12/2011 - fetal demise - MC 05/28/2011
BFP#2 10/14/2011 - fetal demise - MC 12/13/2011
BFP#3 05/30/2012 - fetal demise - MC 07/23/2012
IVF#1 02/14/2013 - 2 Beautiful Blasts transferred
BFP#4 02/25/2013 - BFP - MC and ectopic 03/06/2013
IFV#2 07/02/2013 -BFP#5 - 07/07/2013
1st Beta 07/11/2013 - 483 (9dp5dt) - 2nd Beta 07/13/2013 1006 (11dp5dt)
1st U/S 07/31/2013 - TWINS! "The Minions"
IVF#3 BFP#6 09/01/2015 6dp5dt
1st Beta 09/05/2015 - 105 - 2nd Beta 09/08/2015 335
1st U/S 09/22/2015 - .......
Here's one for afluria
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM263239.pdf
____________________________
Breast Cancer diagnosis 12/01/2010 - Survivor and Cancer free as of 03/22/2011
BFP#1 04/12/2011 - fetal demise - MC 05/28/2011
BFP#2 10/14/2011 - fetal demise - MC 12/13/2011
BFP#3 05/30/2012 - fetal demise - MC 07/23/2012
IVF#1 02/14/2013 - 2 Beautiful Blasts transferred
BFP#4 02/25/2013 - BFP - MC and ectopic 03/06/2013
IFV#2 07/02/2013 -BFP#5 - 07/07/2013
1st Beta 07/11/2013 - 483 (9dp5dt) - 2nd Beta 07/13/2013 1006 (11dp5dt)
1st U/S 07/31/2013 - TWINS! "The Minions"
IVF#3 BFP#6 09/01/2015 6dp5dt
1st Beta 09/05/2015 - 105 - 2nd Beta 09/08/2015 335
1st U/S 09/22/2015 - .......
I sincerely hope that you do not get the flu and your baby is fine, but you cannot guarantee that. A flu shot cannot guarantee that either, but don't you want to give your baby the best chance?
Also, science. Take a science course. Learn about immunology. Learn how your immune system works. Learn how every single ingredient placed in a vaccine is in there because it helps your immune system produce antibodies and makes the vaccine more effective. Your arguments are flawed because you have no science to back it up.
ALSO, how many millions of lives have those "money-making manufacturers" saved? On the other side of pharm companies are real scientists, doing really experiments, and getting real results. Which in turn, saves so many lives every year. Educate yourself.
ETA: damnit, I'm a quote failure!
It's great to read how many of you are really well educated on this topic and have either had or are going to have their shots. I'm certainly getting mine. The risk of getting the flu is far higher than any risk the vaccine itself prevents.
Also remember this: it's not just about you. The purpose of vaccination is to provide herd immunity. This means that all the people able to be vaccinated, should do so, so those of us who can't (eg some medical conditions, immunocomprimised people, those going through chemo etc) benefit by having less risk of the disease being transmitted to them. You are protecting your baby, yourself and those around us. Don't be selfish...get vaccinated. There are no studies showing any fetal harm from a flu shot...if there were, it wouldn't be available.
I work for a university with a big research library. Here's a couple cites for you. If you want the PDFs, just PM me and I'll download them and send them to you. Mackenzie, I. S., MacDonald, T. M., Shakir, S., Dryburgh, M., Mantay, B. J., McDonnell, P., & Layton, D. (2012). Influenza H1N1 (swine flu) vaccination: a safety surveillance feasibility study using self‐reporting of serious adverse events and pregnancy outcomes. British journal of clinical pharmacology, 73(5), 801-811. Naleway, A. L., Smith, W. J., & Mullooly, J. P. (2006). Delivering influenza vaccine to pregnant women. Epidemiologic reviews. Tavares, F., Nazareth, I., Monegal, J. S., Kolte, I., Verstraeten, T., & Bauchau, V. (2011). Pregnancy and safety outcomes in women vaccinated with an AS03-adjuvanted split virion H1N1 (2009) pandemic influenza vaccine during pregnancy: a prospective cohort study. Vaccine, 29(37), 6358-6365.
DS: Born 5-17-16
Do you work in a traditional medical setting (dr's office or hospital)? Do your co-workers know you don't keep up to date with vaccinations? Are you allowed to work with vulnerable (immunocompromised) patients? Are your unvaccinated children allowed to visit you at work? Do you advise patients not to vaccinate? SO MANY QUESTIONS.