Elf Ruler

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Thinking of potential baby girl names for baby #2 due December of this year.

DS is Courtland

I'm feeling Aubrey for baby #2 (early guess at NT scan was girl - yes, taking it with a grain of salt but now my mind is stuck there when thinking of names).... when I looked it up on nameberry the meaning is "Elf Ruler" ... is that real? How much do we value what a name means when naming a kid? As long as it's not like, satan spawn...it's cool, right?

LizWhiz87

The meaning doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that Aubrey is masculine in origin and also very Teen Mom-ish. I prefer Audrey, which coincidentally means 'noble strength.' A much better option, I'd say.

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LizWhiz87 said:

The meaning doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that Aubrey is masculine in origin and also very Teen Mom-ish. I prefer Audrey, which coincidentally means 'noble strength.' A much better option, I'd say.

Yeah I've considered the Aubrey vs Audrey situation but I don't mind that it's masculine in origin...I'm drawn to the more masculine girl names actually. Another one on the list is Hayden (for a girl) and I also really like Sawyer for a girl (but DH veto'd it). So it's just my taste I suppose.

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DH09072012 said:

LizWhiz87 said:

The meaning doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that Aubrey is masculine in origin and also very Teen Mom-ish. I prefer Audrey, which coincidentally means 'noble strength.' A much better option, I'd say.

Yeah I've considered the Aubrey vs Audrey situation but I don't mind that it's masculine in origin...I'm drawn to the more masculine girl names actually. Another one on the list is Hayden (for a girl) and I also really like Sawyer for a girl (but DH veto'd it). So it's just my taste I suppose.

MamaWren919

I wouldn't worry about name meaning. We're naming our son Graham which means "gravelly homestead" or "warlike" depending on where you look. Neither of those are meanings I would choose, but I don't care. I've had my name for 31 years, and I dont know it's meaning.

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LizWhiz87 said:

DH09072012 said:

LizWhiz87 said:

The meaning doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that Aubrey is masculine in origin and also very Teen Mom-ish. I prefer Audrey, which coincidentally means 'noble strength.' A much better option, I'd say.

Yeah I've considered the Aubrey vs Audrey situation but I don't mind that it's masculine in origin...I'm drawn to the more masculine girl names actually. Another one on the list is Hayden (for a girl) and I also really like Sawyer for a girl (but DH veto'd it). So it's just my taste I suppose.

magsugar13

elf ruler isnt the problem

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So I don't follow Teen Mom... is there a person on there named Aubrey? Real question.

LNic5

Yes, one of the teen moms named their baby girl Aubree

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LNic5 said:

Yes, one of the teen moms named their baby girl Aubree

Well, at least I didn't ask what you all thought of the name Aubreigh - could always be worse.

LNic5

Have to say I'm not particularly a fan of Aubrey...but I can see it's your style and it fits with your sons name

CMDD

I think Aubrey is sweet as long as you don't go Aubree, Aubreigh, etc

adecembermom2015

I don't watch Teen Mom. Ick.

I love Aubrey! I've only met one in my life. I think it's a beautiful name. ❤️ Definitely not masculine. I'd side-eye a boy named Aubrey.

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magburt said:

I don't watch Teen Mom. Ick. I love Aubrey! I've only met one in my life. I think it's a beautiful name. ❤️ Definitely not masculine. I'd side-eye a boy named Aubrey.

Yeah I don't know anyone that's watched that show since it came out in when we were in high school so I guess I'm out of the loop on that one.

Thanks

rain0831boww

CMDD said:

I think Aubrey is sweet as long as you don't go Aubree, Aubreigh, etc

Yes. I dislike random different spellings of names. They hate it when they are older. I hear about it everyday.

LizWhiz87

magburt said:

I don't watch Teen Mom. Ick. I love Aubrey! I've only met one in my life. I think it's a beautiful name. ❤️ Definitely not masculine. I'd side-eye a boy named Aubrey.

You would side eye a boy given a masculine name?

valeriemarie24

It is traditionally masculine, that's how it started out. And there have been a few famous males named Aubrey, including mr.yolo...drake.
I'm not a fan, but it is better than sawyer, I'm glad your husband said no to that one. And Hayden is ok.

erinnlou

magburt said:

I don't watch Teen Mom. Ick.

I love Aubrey! I've only met one in my life. I think it's a beautiful name. ❤️ Definitely not masculine. I'd side-eye a boy named Aubrey.

I have a nephew named Aubrey. It's a masculine family name on their side. Can't imagine why you'd side eye a boy named Aubrey but "it's beautiful" for a girl.

adecembermom2015

I got a couple of haters over here. I'd side-eye it because I had no idea people used it for boys?! I've only heard it in reference to girls. I didn't mean to offend. I don't Google every uncommon name for feminine or masculine origin because if I have only heard it used as a girl name then I have no reason to think it's masculine.

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magburt said:

I got a couple of haters over here. I'd side-eye it because I had no idea people used it for boys?! I've only heard it in reference to girls. I didn't mean to offend. I don't Google every uncommon name for feminine or masculine origin because if I have only heard it used as a girl name then I have no reason to think it's masculine.

I guess the name Aubrey brings out the haters. I somehow knew it could be used as a masculine name but didn't realize it was of masculine origin until I looked it up on nameberry and found out also, that it meant Elf Ruler. Which is what began this whole conversation in the first place ha I've only met/heard of girl Aubreys though - I thought male Aubreys was an old-timey thing.

Edited for spelling

bbiutmcph

Just because someone points out facts or corrects you on something doesn't make them "haters."  It just means they are informing or correcting you.

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bbiutmcph said:

Just because someone points out facts or corrects you on something doesn't make them "haters."  It just means they are informing or correcting you.

Good lord this.

Aubrey is French, and almost exclusively used as a masculine name there.

neverblushed

The only people I've known named Aubrey have been men.

Keep looking!

holli0801

Aubrey is okay, don't love it. But I really don't care that it's masculine (yes I know it, but I have never met a male Aubrey). I think as long as you spell it correctly it isn't "too teen mom"

g8trkim

Aubrey seems like the "unique" version of Audrey. Go with Audrey... it's classic and beautiful. I wouldn't worry about the meaning.

4N6s

Go with Audrey.

MixedBerries88

So what feminine names do you love for your next boy?

LizWhiz87

MixedBerries88 said:

So what feminine names do you love for your next boy?

cfletch88

I love Aubrey! I have only heard of it as a masculine name once and that was on an elderly man. I think that it's now evolved into a feminine name. Every time I hear it now it's given to a little girl :-)

adecembermom2015

Whether you like it or not, it appears to be way more popular as a female name than a male name.

theGDpaterfamilias

That's because male usage for names drops off once people co-opt them for girls. Basically, it's okay to a lot of people to name their daughters masculine names but most everyone hates the idea of femininity in a male name. Not sure what that says about us as a culture but nothing good I'm sure. Is it worse that we hate the idea of our sons being in any way effeminate or that we name our daughters with men's names to appear stronger, implying girls are weak to begin with?

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theGDpaterfamilias said:

That's because male usage for names drops off once people co-opt them for girls. Basically, it's okay to a lot of people to name their daughters masculine names but most everyone hates the idea of femininity in a male name. Not sure what that says about us as a culture but nothing good I'm sure.

Is it worse that we hate the idea of our sons being in any way effeminate or that we name our daughters with men's names to appear stronger, implying girls are weak to begin with?

Hi, I love you.

kemerson531

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying.

On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

YogaSandy

theGDpaterfamilias said:

That's because male usage for names drops off once people co-opt them for girls. Basically, it's okay to a lot of people to name their daughters masculine names but most everyone hates the idea of femininity in a male name. Not sure what that says about us as a culture but nothing good I'm sure.

Is it worse that we hate the idea of our sons being in any way effeminate or that we name our daughters with men's names to appear stronger, implying girls are weak to begin with?

The reason we didn't name our son Peyton Andrew (a legitimate masculine name), which I was in love with, was because it has been taken over completely by girls in our small town. (Yes, I chose it because DH's favourite football player is Peyton Manning, but I loved the sound, spelling and etymology). After about the third person saying to is, "I thought you were having a boy" when we said his name, we changed our minds. I'm pretty stubborn and always (vocally) stick up and defend my opinion. And I think boys should be able to "take back" their names. However, it shouldn't be my son's fight if he didn't choose it nor did I want him teased because of it. Seriously, we live in to town of less than 5000 (5 hours away from any city) and there were six girl Peytons that we counted (so only ones we knew of) his age or up yo 2 years older.

YogaSandy

kemerson531 said:

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying.

On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

Yes. I have met boys with all those traditionally masculine names you mentioned above.

And - I could be wrong (someone correct me if I am) but I think Dana is a traditional make name. Jan - I am
Going to assume is a Scandinavian name, which would make it traditionally male in that culture.

kemerson531

YogaSandy said:

kemerson531 said:

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying.

On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

Yes. I have met boys with all those traditionally masculine names you mentioned above.

And - I could be wrong (someone correct me if I am) but I think Dana is a traditional make name. Jan - I am
Going to assume is a Scandinavian name, which would make it traditionally male in that culture.

I'm not trying to arguing the point, (and I think you're right Dana and Jan, but most people laugh when they hear these names for men now. The Dana I know goes by DJ for that exact reason) but my point really is that why should it matter if a name was historically male, when a good percentage of "female" names now were male names once-upon-a-time. I'm not saying go out and name all the girls Michael or Thomas and all the boys Diana and Elizabeth and screw tradition, but if a name was once a male name it's not a reason in itself to not choose a name you love. If we go by that standard than there are a lot of Kelly's and Whitney's and Sydney's I know who are screwed.

wassuphoes

kemerson531 said:

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying. On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

Yes. I have met boys with all those traditionally masculine names you mentioned above. And - I could be wrong (someone correct me if I am) but I think Dana is a traditional make name. Jan - I am Going to assume is a Scandinavian name, which would make it traditionally male in that culture.

I'm not trying to arguing the point, (and I think you're right Dana and Jan, but most people laugh when they hear these names for men now. The Dana I know goes by DJ for that exact reason) but my point really is that why should it matter if a name was historically male, when a good percentage of "female" names now were male names once-upon-a-time. I'm not saying go out and name all the girls Michael or Thomas and all the boys Diana and Elizabeth and screw tradition, but if a name was once a male name it's not a reason in itself to not choose a name you love. If we go by that standard than there are a lot of Kelly's and Whitney's and Sydney's I know who are screwed.

Too bad names like Ryan and James are trending for girls now. 

And that's the main problem with this whole trend, it keeps going. It  wouldn't be an issue if it were just a couple of people here and there and people kept using the names for boys, but they don't. Once a name gets to a certain point of trendy for girls, people stop naming their boys that name, and then the name eventually falls out of use completely because those little girls grow up and "Nobody wants to be one of many Tracy's,Kelly's or Ashley's" 

There have been commenters on this board who have warned posters against using Ryan because they only know little girls with the name. 

lindsayTTC

I like Aubrey. I do still watch teen mom and did think of that. That show also won't be around forever. I know someone that just had a girl and named her Sawyer. First time I heard it as a girl name. I like it! I like Hayden too.

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kemerson531 said:

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying. On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

I should have thought better than posting the actual name and instead just asked how much we should take into consideration the meaning behind a name. Oh well - I have more confidence than to let a few board regulars to change my mind a name. It's on the list but not 100% yet... Thank you for the support and insight on the traditionally masculine names!

Mother0fDragons

I know of a few girls with the name Aubrey, and I also like the name.  I think Aubrey also goes will with your son's name!  Some names have great "meanings" behind them, but Elf Ruler?!  This is what comes to mind when I hear elf ruler......sorry I'm kinda nerdy )

LizWhiz87

kemerson531 said:

Masculine vs Feminine and whether you like it aside, I think everyone can take a chill pill because Aubrey clearly has a lot of meaning to the OP. I would be a little sad if a name I'd been thinking about for a few weeks (or months) gets endlessly made fun of on a chat board. Yes she asked for your opinions, but she didn't ask for your sarcastic remarks and gifs. Just saying. On another note, my name is Kelsey, which is also a traditionally masculine name, but other than Kelsey Grammer when have you ever met of heard of a male Kelsey? How about Mackenzie, Lauren, Ashley, Lindsey, Shannon? All formerly male names. Names change over time, it's just a fact. And men can also have "feminine names." My brother in law is named Dana, his grandfather named Jan, and they're not "any less manly" due to their names.

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