Ok so a fair comparison would be cocaine. Once used for medical purposes freely, then regulated after effects were apparent, and later pulled because the risk was higher then any benefit. I just don't think marijuana has been studied properly. Right now it is taking the same path as all the other medication and drugs from long ago. There are laws in place for a reason and they should be reviewed and challenged with research and not personal experience. Doctors and pharmacists no longer receive kickbacks due to laws to prevent what you are claiming occurs. It is a federal law. The pills that doctors prescribe are regulated and have been studied before being placed on the market. So while I refused pills for my morning sickness I know that I would feel safe taking them if I got to that point. I just believe there is not enough information that is factual being passed around or in existence. It is great that people have friends that had babies seemingly unaffected by their drug use. Let's talk about those kids again in 5,10,15,20 years and see if there was no effects. Is the unknown possibility worth the high?
@jlthom23 people may not have died from overdosing on marijuana but I used to work in a mental health hospital and saw my fair share of young people suffering serious psychotic episodes and having to be sectioned because of their use of marijuana - not other drugs. It comes with its fair share of negative side effects, no one can deny that. As mentioned before I used to be a regular user many moons ago and had to give it up because of what it was doing to me. If you choose to smoke then that is your decision but one cannot deny that this could POTENTIALLY have hazardous effects on an unborn child. No one is lambasting the use of it in your own personal time, for whatever reasons you have for smoking, but when you're pregnant it's not just you anymore.
@enigmaanjel try some reasonable cardio if you can. Long time ago I was trying to pass a test for a potential job & I read that cardio exercise can help. Something to do with metabolizing the fat where the thc is stored. I passed so hopefully it can help. Obviously, stick to moderation with the exercise if you didn't exercise before, but even a brisk walk could help. Drink lots of water too, which is good for you anyway! Good luck & I'm really sorry you're going through this. 28 weeks is a long way away you can do it!
I have no desire to touch the majority of this argument. But what I do want to address is the idea of physician kickbacks. I work in a university medical center, pharm reps and companies are not even allowed in the doors, we are not allowed to use anything with a drug company or drug name on it. All of our physician prescribing is based solely on research and current evidence. This idea that doctors will sacrifice your safety for a pharm kickback is antiquated and untrue. I'm working on my nurse practitioner degree and in my state we have full prescriptive authority we do not work under physicians and not once in school have we been approached by oharm companies. My education is based on current research and evidence and we are taught to prescribe what is needed and always encourage lifestyle modifications. As a county hospital we deal with a lot of babies that were born addicted to substances, let me tell you, that shaking baby has an effect on you like you would not believe. It's tragic and they are in more pain than you can even imagine, not a risk I'm willing to take. I'm all for the legalization of marijuana and its responsible use, but until there are extensive longitudinal studies showing its safety I would never encourage a patient to consume it in any fashion.
Can't we all just agree that Marijuana has positive and negative effects?
Yes, we totally are. The part we're not agreeing on is if a woman should put herself before her baby and risk any damage to the child so she can get high.
But how much is considered a risk? I feel like we're assuming the mother is blazed. Many have stated a glass of wine is acceptable to them when we all know the harm caused by alcohol. I do not see a difference, at all, for a woman eating a weed cookie. For those saying it harms the fetus in xyz ways, well, so does caffeine in excess, fast food, sugar, etc. We've been told weed is the "gateway" drug when in reality that's alcohol and prescription drugs.
But how much is considered a risk? I feel like we're assuming the mother is blazed. Many have stated a glass of wine is acceptable to them when we all know the harm caused by alcohol. I do not see a difference, at all, for a woman eating a weed cookie. For those saying it harms the fetus in xyz ways, well, so does caffeine in excess, fast food, sugar, etc. We've been told weed is the "gateway" drug when in reality that's alcohol and prescription drugs.
You can give your opinion without misinforming others here. Alcohol is not a gateway drug, it's the most abused substance but weed IS a gateway drug, statistics prove it. Also, there's not enough studies on weed use during pregnancy to say how much is too much. As I said before, bodies react differently to substances. I've seen a fare share of patients with psicosis induced by excessive marijuana use. If it can cause a fully developed brain to snap can you safely say "one cookie" as you put it won't affect the baby's brain? We can't say that it won't, maybe you know someone who had a healthy baby but maybe in your case you won't be so lucky, so it's better to be safe than sorry.
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But how much is considered a risk? I feel like we're assuming the mother is blazed. Many have stated a glass of wine is acceptable to them when we all know the harm caused by alcohol. I do not see a difference, at all, for a woman eating a weed cookie. For those saying it harms the fetus in xyz ways, well, so does caffeine in excess, fast food, sugar, etc. We've been told weed is the "gateway" drug when in reality that's alcohol and prescription drugs.
You can give your opinion without misinforming others here. Alcohol is not a gateway drug, it's the most abused substance but weed IS a gateway drug, statistics prove it. Also, there's not enough studies on weed use during pregnancy to say how much is too much. As I said before, bodies react differently to substances. I've seen a fare share of patients with psicosis induced by excessive marijuana use. If it can cause a fully developed brain to snap can you safely say "one cookie" as you put it won't affect the baby's brain? We can't say that it won't, maybe you know someone who had a healthy baby but maybe in your case you won't be so lucky, so it's better to be safe than sorry.
and the same can be said for wine, yes? we don't know the exact level of alcohol that causes problems. that's my point. how is wine "safer" than weed? as for gateway, how can you claim alcohol isn't? what?! alcohol is definitely a gateway drug. and I have family friend with tumors that just majorly reduced in size (likely saving his life) when he was given 6 months to live, he used cannabis oil. so the anecdotal stories go both ways. you're speaking how our bodies react differently to different substances, yet it's 100% acceptable to take a pharmaceutical even though you won't know 100% how your body will react. I honestly laughed when the zofran lawsuit came out, because it caused women to pause and think about what they're taking and that just beause a doctor ok'd it didn't mean it's 100% safe. the hypocrisy runs so deep, it's hilarious. And no, I don't think zofran was necessarily the cause of said defects.
I'm not touching this... Nope nope nope. Ok a couple things and then I'm done...
All I'm going to say is my brother owns a few huge dispensaries in Colorado. And I'm one proud sister!! He's a millionaire now and I get all the MJ I could ever want! Be jealous.. Lol
And no I don't use it while pregnant. Just nope. But I honestly don't judge the ladies that do use it for MS. As long as it's extremely moderate. It's all about moderation. Like alcohol. And honestly I don't think it's a good idea to use it in 3rd trimester at all. That's when babies brain truly develops. I'm not saying anything else!
But how much is considered a risk? I feel like we're assuming the mother is blazed. Many have stated a glass of wine is acceptable to them when we all know the harm caused by alcohol. I do not see a difference, at all, for a woman eating a weed cookie. For those saying it harms the fetus in xyz ways, well, so does caffeine in excess, fast food, sugar, etc. We've been told weed is the "gateway" drug when in reality that's alcohol and prescription drugs.
You can give your opinion without misinforming others here. Alcohol is not a gateway drug, it's the most abused substance but weed IS a gateway drug, statistics prove it. Also, there's not enough studies on weed use during pregnancy to say how much is too much. As I said before, bodies react differently to substances. I've seen a fare share of patients with psicosis induced by excessive marijuana use. If it can cause a fully developed brain to snap can you safely say "one cookie" as you put it won't affect the baby's brain? We can't say that it won't, maybe you know someone who had a healthy baby but maybe in your case you won't be so lucky, so it's better to be safe than sorry.
and the same can be said for wine, yes? we don't know the exact level of alcohol that causes problems. that's my point. how is wine "safer" than weed? as for gateway, how can you claim alcohol isn't? what?! alcohol is definitely a gateway drug. and I have family friend with tumors that just majorly reduced in size (likely saving his life) when he was given 6 months to live, he used cannabis oil. so the anecdotal stories go both ways. you're speaking how our bodies react differently to different substances, yet it's 100% acceptable to take a pharmaceutical even though you won't know 100% how your body will react. I honestly laughed when the zofran lawsuit came out, because it caused women to pause and think about what they're taking and that just beause a doctor ok'd it didn't mean it's 100% safe. the hypocrisy runs so deep, it's hilarious. And no, I don't think zofran was necessarily the cause of said defects.
Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
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Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
lol oh give me a break. small amounts of alcohol is "A" ok yet small amounts of weed is horrific? Many of the studies done that show weed causes xyz also fail to isolate the study to just weed. most of those mothers also have narcotics, tobacco and alcohol in their systems. so you can't take that and claim it's weed that's the problem. I bet they also had caffeine in their systems...
Anyway, it's a calculated risk, as is everything else we do. I'm not saying go ahead and keep up your weed consumption just as you did prepregnancy. Not at all, I won't even get on board with smoking it. You don't feel comfy eating raw sushi? fine. Limiting caffeine? fine. Saying it's "healthier" to choose a glass of wine over a weed cookie is flawed. I blame our cultural ignorance for that.
The actual smoke is whats bad for you while pregnant, you cut off oxygen for not only yourself, but the baby. It can threaten the baby. Some moms can go through a pregnancy with no issues, while others could loose the baby due to lack of oxygen.
BBQ smoke can do the same thing, smoke is general is something to avoid if possible.
Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
lol oh give me a break. small amounts of alcohol is "A" ok yet small amounts of weed is horrific? Many of the studies done that show weed causes xyz also fail to isolate the study to just weed. most of those mothers also have narcotics, tobacco and alcohol in their systems. so you can't take that and claim it's weed that's the problem. I bet they also had caffeine in their systems...
Anyway, it's a calculated risk, as is everything else we do. I'm not saying go ahead and keep up your weed consumption just as you did prepregnancy. Not at all, I won't even get on board with smoking it. You don't feel comfy eating raw sushi? fine. Limiting caffeine? fine. Saying it's "healthier" to choose a glass of wine over a weed cookie is flawed. I blame our cultural ignorance for that.
I never said it's "healthier", I said extensive research has been done as for weed, we don't have enough prove wether it can affect the baby or not and the few studies that have been done, are against use during pregnancy. You are so focused on proving your point you are not reading what I post clearly.
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Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
lol oh give me a break. small amounts of alcohol is "A" ok yet small amounts of weed is horrific? Many of the studies done that show weed causes xyz also fail to isolate the study to just weed. most of those mothers also have narcotics, tobacco and alcohol in their systems. so you can't take that and claim it's weed that's the problem. I bet they also had caffeine in their systems...
Anyway, it's a calculated risk, as is everything else we do. I'm not saying go ahead and keep up your weed consumption just as you did prepregnancy. Not at all, I won't even get on board with smoking it. You don't feel comfy eating raw sushi? fine. Limiting caffeine? fine. Saying it's "healthier" to choose a glass of wine over a weed cookie is flawed. I blame our cultural ignorance for that.
Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
lol oh give me a break. small amounts of alcohol is "A" ok yet small amounts of weed is horrific? Many of the studies done that show weed causes xyz also fail to isolate the study to just weed. most of those mothers also have narcotics, tobacco and alcohol in their systems. so you can't take that and claim it's weed that's the problem. I bet they also had caffeine in their systems...
Anyway, it's a calculated risk, as is everything else we do. I'm not saying go ahead and keep up your weed consumption just as you did prepregnancy. Not at all, I won't even get on board with smoking it. You don't feel comfy eating raw sushi? fine. Limiting caffeine? fine. Saying it's "healthier" to choose a glass of wine over a weed cookie is flawed. I blame our cultural ignorance for that.
I never said it's "healthier", I said extensive research has been done as for weed, we don't have enough prove wether it can affect the baby or not and the few studies that have been done, are against use during pregnancy. You are so focused on proving your point you are not reading what I post clearly.
I am reading what you're typing and it isn't making sense. Extensive research hasn't been done, it's flimsy at best. With that, I should be done because it's like talking in circles now.
Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
lol oh give me a break. small amounts of alcohol is "A" ok yet small amounts of weed is horrific? Many of the studies done that show weed causes xyz also fail to isolate the study to just weed. most of those mothers also have narcotics, tobacco and alcohol in their systems. so you can't take that and claim it's weed that's the problem. I bet they also had caffeine in their systems...
Anyway, it's a calculated risk, as is everything else we do. I'm not saying go ahead and keep up your weed consumption just as you did prepregnancy. Not at all, I won't even get on board with smoking it. You don't feel comfy eating raw sushi? fine. Limiting caffeine? fine. Saying it's "healthier" to choose a glass of wine over a weed cookie is flawed. I blame our cultural ignorance for that.
I never said it's "healthier", I said extensive research has been done as for weed, we don't have enough prove wether it can affect the baby or not and the few studies that have been done, are against use during pregnancy. You are so focused on proving your point you are not reading what I post clearly.
I am reading what you're typing and it isn't making sense. Extensive research hasn't been done, it's flimsy at best. With that, I should be done because it's like talking in circles now.
Extensive research has been done, wether you know about it or not.
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Whether you smoke or don't smoke while pregnant..I will agree to disagree and to each their own. I've made the decision to not smoke during pregnancy as I agree, it's not worth the risk even though there hasn't been enough studies to say one way or another. Best to ere on the side of caution.
However to say that weed is laced with heroin or acid is ridiculous. Now this is just fear mongering. Weed perhaps is laced with pesticide on occasion depending on the grower, which is awful in itself and that is why i only buy from home growers.
It is fairly insulting for you to imply that because I can't wait to smoke after babes (or someone to have a drink) means I'm not nearly as excited for my baby or sleepless nights or seeing every wonderful new moment. That is a really big leap of judgement and completely uncalled for.
Just Google "is marijuana laced," it certainly does not happen all the time but to say that never happens is perpetuating ignorance. The possibility of getting marijuana that has been laced with another substance including PCP or embalming fluids is very real and should be considered prior to smoking at any time, especially pregnancy. Again, back to buying marijuana from legal dispensaries versus using illegal marijuana. If you go back and reread what I wrote I said "unless if you are growing it yourself."
Ohh if you google it. Well then it must be true. I'm not going to debate if your weed in Boston is laced with acid or heroin, and my Canadian weed is not. I will suggest though if you are so bored, exit yourself from the conversation.
Ohh if you google it. Well then it must be true. I'm not going to debate if your weed in Boston is laced with acid or heroin, and my Canadian weed is not. I will suggest though if you are so bored, exit yourself from the conversation.
I believe that that is exactly what I will do. And for the record, I was not discussing weed here in Boston as I do not smoke. If you reread what I wrote you will see that I work with addicts that are in recovery or trying to get into recovery. It would be extraordinarily hypocritical of me to smoke whilst donating my time to this cause. Specifically, I was referring to an incident that happened when I was living in Miami when a number of my friends ended up in the hospital. It happens. I don't know about in Canada, but it does happen.
I agree @BostonBaby1. I smoked with some guys in phx and I don't know if they purposely bought weed that was laced with something- but that was NOT just weed.
I once smoked weed that was laced with opium (unbeknownst to me). And all the icky pesticides and stuff... yuck. It's not like you can rinse it, right? I smoked before I knew I was pregnant and panicked a little.
From personal experience, most smokers I know are introverted and tend to stay home, be quiet around others (and weren't like that before). Whatever the effects may be, I'll leave that up to the baby, in say, 18-19 years.
To back up @bostonbaby1, I am from her area and in high school I was given a joint laced with cocaine. No that didn't stop me from smoking but it helped me become more aware. People can do anything to any drug even if it is unlikely. You can't be sure unless you're involved in the growing process and even then people can use iffy growing products. I live with someone who has a medical license and is allowed to have 20 plants for their own use and he has to flush out his plants at least ten times to make sure no product is left in for his health. Not everyone is that careful. And at the end of the day one thing we can all agree on is that smoking anything deprives baby of oxygen and that using weed in anyway is not worth losing your child over if that is how your state/hospital operates that way regardless of how you feel about it.
Thanks for this topic first of all. Many moms may be too nervous to discuss it with anyone or their dr, so it's nice to have each other. I was also a smoker, mostly just to sleep sometimes recreational on weekends. I actually took my pregnancy test on 4/20 ironically. Anyways, shortly after that the smell made me nauseous and I could even have DH smoke anywhere but in garage! But I do see that if I'm having a hard time I may take a puff or two. I also wouldn't do it before any impending blood work. With my last pregnancy I also quit my regular usuage but maybe smoked 3-4 times small amounts the whole time only to help with nerves and sleeplessness. A friend of mine has also used edibles in lieu of smoking so the baby wasn't deprived of oxygen. I'd say just don't do it daily, but maybe on occasion. I know it saved me from post partum and made me a better mom when I started up again after DS was born. Of course I did it when he was sleeping and not around in moderation. Nothing like a strung out anxiety ridden mama and it's better than zombie pills Drs give you! Good luck!
Here's how I feel- regardless if you smoke or not- if it's not legal where you are, are you really ok with potentially losing your child(ren) over it? Never smoked weed and never will, but as SOON as someone threatened my children being taken from me with ANYTHING, whatever it may be, it'd be gone!! Think about the babies, ladies ❤️
Totally a side bar but how the hell is marijuana a gate way drug? Prior to pregnancy I have smoked for years and I know other people have to and we aren't out doing other drugs nor do we feel the need to.
If someone would post the studies about marijuana being a "gateway drug" I'd be happy to read them. To me its like saying coffee is a gateway drug. You want more of a high so you drink energy drinks. I think energy drinks and coffee do more harm than marijuana. Lol so silly.
Marijuana is a gateway drug. While many people never get into anything else, a lot of people move onto harder drugs after becoming a marijuana user. No one is saying you will definitely become like a crack addict but it can happen. My own father started off using marijuana as a teenager. In my lifetime I have known him to smoke weed, smoke crack, snort coke, and shoot heroin. It won't happen to everyone but if you're choosing to smoke weed you should also be aware of the risks, not just the benefits.
And I want to point out that I was a regular smoker before pregnancy and am all for it not during pregnancy and probably wouldn't judge one hit now and again during it, but many of you that are adamantly pro smoking during pregnancy and otherwise seem to be avoiding the facts you don't like and perhaps need to do more well rounded research.
Re: Marijuana and pregnancy
Interesting read, I've heard that men who imbibe regularly may experience decreases fertility.
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All I'm going to say is my brother owns a few huge dispensaries in Colorado. And I'm one proud sister!! He's a millionaire now and I get all the MJ I could ever want! Be jealous.. Lol
And no I don't use it while pregnant. Just nope. But I honestly don't judge the ladies that do use it for MS. As long as it's extremely moderate. It's all about moderation. Like alcohol. And honestly I don't think it's a good idea to use it in 3rd trimester at all. That's when babies brain truly develops. I'm not saying anything else!
Edited for clarification.
Do you know how much research goes into a single pharmaceutical before it's put out there? Even though some people could have different reactions, there's substantial research to outweight risk and benefits. Not the same can be said for weed. As for alcohol use during pregnancy, there are a number of studies done overseas that prove alcohol in small amounts won't affect the baby, same can't be said for weed.
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I never said it's "healthier", I said extensive research has been done as for weed, we don't have enough prove wether it can affect the baby or not and the few studies that have been done, are against use during pregnancy. You are so focused on proving your point you are not reading what I post clearly.
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*edited to say I'm sorry for misreading that!
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However to say that weed is laced with heroin or acid is ridiculous. Now this is just fear mongering. Weed perhaps is laced with pesticide on occasion depending on the grower, which is awful in itself and that is why i only buy from home growers.
It is fairly insulting for you to imply that because I can't wait to smoke after babes (or someone to have a drink) means I'm not nearly as excited for my baby or sleepless nights or seeing every wonderful new moment. That is a really big leap of judgement and completely uncalled for.
I'm not going to debate if your weed in Boston is laced with acid or heroin, and my Canadian weed is not.
I will suggest though if you are so bored, exit yourself from the conversation.
And at the end of the day one thing we can all agree on is that smoking anything deprives baby of oxygen and that using weed in anyway is not worth losing your child over if that is how your state/hospital operates that way regardless of how you feel about it.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40325834?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=N5HAU639wnMC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=marijuana+as+a+gateway+drug&ots=KCqsNJeG9U&sig=JGLHv5kRepCAebXw-slC9pP98E0#v=onepage&q=marijuana as a gateway drug&f=false
https://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595230500126698
https://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwche/Cigarette Smoking.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871609004219
There are TONS more.