Frustrated Clomid is not working!

Roeni

Hi Everyone...I am not sure if my signature is still visible as this is my first post since The Bump has gone under some kind of makeover.  I am wondering if I maybe have always been a late ovulater.  For my son born 3/5/14 we did an FET, but before that we did the IVF and I think I remember my trigger shot being on CD 15...can't be too sure I did 14 days of stims.  My LO is 12 months and I am only nursing him 2 times a day (morning and night).  Last cycle I did clomid 50 mg and think I got a positive LH on CD 17...I had bad ovulation cramps the next day. Now I am on CD 14 and still no positive.  We even upped the dose to 100 this round.  I am trying my best to take my temp every morning but it's tough...you never know when your baby will wake up, when you might have to get up and pee in the early morning hours, or you might drop the thermometer under the bed. Info on clomid says you should ovulate 5-10 days after taking last pill...and cycle day 18 is not in that range.  Any advice? I took mine CD3-7

fuzzbumble

Raising the dose doesn't necessarily mean you'll ovulate earlier, and the day you triggered with IVF has nothing to do with how you'll respond to clomid. Different drugs. Unfortunately it's one of those wait it out kind of situations.

I am surprised your dr is allowing you to BF and do fertility meds at the same time. Your hormones can be wonky even with limited BFing. Perhaps if you are willing to wean 100% you'd get a more consistent response to the clomid?

Roeni

The only possible bad effect it could have on nursing is to make supply go down...which has not happened for me.  It could also be not as effective due to prolactin levels, but I am only nursing twice a day.  If I don't ovulate this time I'm going down to once a day and skipping a cycle.  I hate to think i can only take this a limited number of times and nursing might not be allowing its full potential.  I just wanted to try to get pregnant as close to "the real way" as possible before shelling out $4k for another FET with our last remaining embryos.

CeCe8579

You need to be monitored.

fuzzbumble

I am aware the negative effects BFing can have on your hormones which is why I mentioned it. To me it seems very irresponsible of your dr to allow you to cycle with clomid unmonitored while breastfeeding. That is just asking for problems in itself.

Also by calling intercourse conception "the real way" implies IVF is wrong or pretend and is offensive. Despite the fact you used IVF to conceive your first.

AprilDrew04

Can I ask what makes you think that if you needed IVF to conceive the first time that you will conceive without going that route again? I mean like did something change drastically?

Also, aren't you a little bit worried about the effects of clomid that is passed through your breastmilk? There are no studies to say it is safe for your baby.

Lastly it is a bit insulting to come onto a board where a great many of us have conceived or are ttc through IVF, yourself included, and say you want to conceive the "real way". Maybe this was just a bad choice in words, but none the less it was insulting to most of us.

Roeni

Sorry ya'll find it insulting.  My friends and I that have all undergone fertility treatments call it just that...the old fashioned way, the real way, etc...I'm here asking for help, not to be chastised for my choice of words because some people can't take a tongue in cheek comment that meant no harm.

And to the person who asked why I am trying this, I just am.  We have unexplained infertility so it is just a shot in the dark.  My husband doesn't have the best sperm, so I don't think it will work, but I need to feel like I am doing SOMETHING.  We can't go through with our last embryos yet.

And I am being monitored btw. My OB is giving me ultrasounds.  

CeCe8579

If you're being monitored then you would have a pretty darn good idea of when you're ovulating. Also, think before you speak in front of an audience you're unfamiliar with. If you say something offensive be prepared to get negative responses! Taking Clomid just to try with unknown risks involved to your breastfeeding child is something I can't comprehend but I like to say things the real way!

Roeni

I didn't ask for your opinion about nursing with clomid.  I am asking people about taking clomid and not ovulating within the 5-10 day range.  So if you can't answer that questions, move on.

Again, I used the term REAL to describe things like food for instance...I only eat real food...which to me means organic, unprocessed, natural.  I used the term here in the same way-the real method, the natural way, the way without assistance.  I am sorry some people are a little overly sensitive about the way I presented it, but it meant no harm.  We are all in the same boat here and attacking someone looking for answers because YOU took something the wrong way is what I see going on here.  My doctor is on board with me nursing through clomid and I did tons of research on the topic as well to get comfortable with it.  I don't need your opinions on this.

Flamingemu

Did you read the board description? You didn't did you? Every person on this board is using some form of assistance to have a baby. Please tell me you are not naieve enough to think that 'real' wouldn't hurt some feelings. You just posted on a board full of women not using a 'real' method to have a child. Come on! 

pettycrocker

Lulz... 

fuzzbumble

As far as the clomid goes, I think you're still within the range of 5-10 days you were given. In my person experience clomid can take longer to cause ovulation than femara. With my daughter, my last pill was CD 9, ovulation wasn't until CD 21. Fertility is not predictable, so be patient.

Are you getting ultrasounds at midcycle or just after you get a positive lh? You should be requesting a check to see if your follicles are getting too large prior to ovulation.

If you offer info on a public board, be prepared to get feedback about everything. Not just the question you wanted answered. In our experience, breastfeeding can change your hormones making it difficult to predict response to fertility treatment. Since your question was about response to fertility treatment, the breastfeeding is relevant and applicable to your question.

AprilDrew04

Get real! If I am blessed enough to get a baby conceived through IVF he/she will be real. Same with the food I eat, just becaus it isn't organic doesn't make it not real.

You came on here asking for opinions, and my opinion is to hold off on the clomid until you are ready to be done nursing. The BFing could be causing issues, and like I said there have been almost no studies on the effects of clomid passed on through BFing.

CeCe8579

I agree with @AprilDrew04, get real and move on! If you don't want opinions, don't post on a forum! You're definitely of real is unreal and delusional. It is offensive and yet you still keep saying it. it seems as though you are "not real" on this board so FO!

Jodee37

Frenchteachermama

Roeni said:

I didn't ask for your opinion about nursing with clomid.  I am asking people about taking clomid and not ovulating within the 5-10 day range.  So if you can't answer that questions, move on.

Again, I used the term REAL to describe things like food for instance...I only eat real food...which to me means organic, unprocessed, natural.  I used the term here in the same way-the real method, the natural way, the way without assistance.  I am sorry some people are a little overly sensitive about the way I presented it, but it meant no harm.  We are all in the same boat here and attacking someone looking for answers because YOU took something the wrong way is what I see going on here.  My doctor is on board with me nursing through clomid and I did tons of research on the topic as well to get comfortable with it.  I don't need your opinions on this.

I think you're a little confused about the tone of our board here on 2IF.  You have to GIVE support to GET support.  This was your first post here and it isn't going well.  I think you should move on somewhere else.  This board is full of some of the most supportive women I have in my life and I don't like where you are going with this.  

Roeni

I was posting on these boards long before some of you!!!!  I came back after a break, because I am pursuing a 2nd child and do fall in the category here of secondary infertility.  Obviously some of you did not read my signature and are quick to jump to conclusions.  IT seems to be a different tone than the last time I was an active poster because we all made light of our situation instead of getting all butt hurt. I'm out...I have my answer and wish you all the best.

CeCe8579

Peace out!

Jodee37

fuzzbumble

Congratulations, you win at the bump.  You must be so proud of yourself.  

annibes

Aww, as an oldie, you should know that the GBCN/GBCB was weak. At least make it entertaining.

fuzzbumble

annibes said:

Aww, as an oldie, you should know that the GBCN/GBCB was weak. At least make it entertaining.

Bwhahahahaha yes @annibes

AprilDrew04

When I was one year out from having my dd, I could make light. After 5 years of ttc #2, I find it a bit harder to make light. If I already had a frozen embryo, I would not hesitate to use it. I guess I just don't get wasting time on clomid cycles.

Wishing you the best also, but maybe this isn't the right board for you at this time.

pettycrocker