June 2015 Moms

This is just the worst day.

I posted a couple days ago how my mother in law ruined my sex reveal party because she thought it was a girl & it ended up being a boy & then she had all these bad things to say about having boys when she has 2 sons and a grandson. So today my husband brought up how I wont "forgive her"... First of all (excuse me if this sounds childish) but she never even apologized to me, and to be honest I'm pretty positive she doesn't even know I'm mad at her... We haven't spoken, but we don't speak on a daily basis. & I told him that it will take me a long time to forgive her and I explained it to him like this. Imagine you are given a beautiful amazing gift one that you can never ever return but that's okay because you are blessed to have it... And some one tells you all the horrible bad things about it! It's going to take time for me to get over things but for right now I'm just still upset. Our fight got worse & my husband asked me for a divorce and also asked me if I could sign over all my rights after the baby is born. He's never said anything like that to me before and after he said all that he left. I am a big ball of a mess! I keep trying to calm myself down for my baby's sake but I don't even know how to react or feel :'( please just keep me in your thoughts and prayers everyone.
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  • How can this happen? I'm so sorry that it escalated like that. It sounds like there are other issues going on previously. Especially if it escalated to talk about divorce? Thoughts and prayers to you that everything just settles down and that you and your husband can work this out.
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  • This might be the pregnancy hormones talking but, I would light my husband on FIRE if he EVER said anything like that to me.  I am so, SO sorry you are going through this. I would strongly recommend you have a come to Jesus with your husband about how hurtful those things are, and if that's really what pops in to his head as an acceptable thing to say to his pregnant wife then maybe some serious counseling needs to be on the horizon before baby gets here- and things get a LOT more stressful... 

    Exactly what she said. Good luck, dear, I hope you two can work through this.

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  • Oh honey, I'm so sorry the argument escalated to that level. That seems like a pretty extreme reaction. You guys definitely need to talk, and if you can't have some kind of conversation between yourselves without it coming to a bunch of threats, then I definitely agree that you should seek out some counseling. I really hope your husband was just overacting and chose a very poor and childish way to lash out. I will be definitely keeping you in my thoughts.And I sincerely hope this works itself out for you two.
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  • Yikes, I am so sorry. I hope everything calms down--hopefully with some time you both feel a little better, but I agree with PP that I think you two need to have a very serious talk. Good luck and lots of T&P headed your way!
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  • I am so sorry that you are going through this. Divorce talk should never be thrown around in the heat of an argument and even more important as your husband he should be supportive of your feelings. Praying that you guys figure this out. It's stress that your body doesn't need right now.
  • Sorry your going through this, those are some heavy heavy sentences he's throwing around there-divorce and parental rights. I hope you sort things out but I would definitely be questioning him.
  • I'm so sorry you're going through this. Is your husband usually this dramatic? Did you have other issues going on? Hopefully he was just angry and will calm down. I would murder my husband if he dared threatening me with divorce and taking my child- what a horrible thing to say to your pregnant wife.
  • I'm so sorry you're going through this. Is your husband usually this dramatic? Did you have other issues going on? Hopefully he was just angry and will calm down. I would murder my husband if he dared threatening me with divorce and taking my child- what a horrible thing to say to your pregnant wife.

    He can be pretty dramatic, but as for other issues.. aside from the bickering we will have from time to time. The only issue we've had is the fact that I've never gotten along with my MIL... I mean this isn't the only time she's done something like this. She was mad when we got married... then she controlled my entire wedding... I could go ON and ON. & it has annoyed my husband that we can't stand each other since day one. He's a major major mamas boy which isn't necessarily a bad thing but when it comes to him saying this to me because of her... I have to be honest it's getting on my last nerve. :(
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  • I am so sorry this happened honey! The thought of how cruel the statement is made me tear up for you. I hope he realizes how wrong that was and apologizes. A few years ago my husband out of no where said he wanted a divorce after I said his mother was a pain to us. He later apologized and stuff but it took a while for us to have the close amazing relationship again.
  • Katerina&BabyKaterina&Baby member
    edited December 2014

    Threatening you with a divorce and wanting you to sign away your rights is extreme. Then to just leave? He is obviously stressed out about the situation but he is overreacting. I am sorry you are going through this. Try to stay calm. When he does come back, you two need to sit down and try to have a calm discussion about your feelings. 

    I second this. Talk it out and ask if him if divorce is really what he wants or if he was just being angry and dramatic. If the latter, I would make it clear that divorce is not an idle threat that he should throw around.

    As for your relationship with your MIL, I get that you dislike her and that she says and does stuff that is hurtful but it is obviously taking a toll on your husband so for his sake, don't badmouth her to him and try to play nice.

  • Im so sorry your going through this. Who ever said words don't hurt is a liar straight from the pits of hell! He definitely had NO right to say something so horrible and should definitely side with his wife however having said that imagine the stress you would put on your own boys one day if you did not get along with their wife. Imagine how much you love your boys and how much they love you and it must hurt him to have to play sides (don't get me wrong your mother in law is completely in the wrong here) but sometimes you have to be the bigger woman and take your problems to the source. I am sure if she doesn't even know your mad that maybe he feels like you are taking it out on him? I go through fights about my mother regularly and it always ends with me saying this... "I didn't choose my mother, god did! And she loves me and would not purposely hurt me or my family so I cannot simply have her stop being my mother". Having said all that he needs to understand the importance of thinking before speaking because those words are complete No No's!
  • BednarovaBednarova member
    edited December 2014
    I am so sorry you endured this fight this morning. I agree with much of the advice given, and especially think it may be a good idea to seek out a counselor.

    Parenting choices are tough and the grandparents won't alw agree with you. It's especially important for you and your H to be on the same side when facing them with your choices as your kids get older. It's not his kid with your MIL, it's his kid with you.

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  • Threatening you with a divorce and wanting you to sign away your rights is extreme. Then to just leave? He is obviously stressed out about the situation but he is overreacting. I am sorry you are going through this. Try to stay calm. When he does come back, you two need to sit down and try to have a calm discussion about your feelings. 

    I second this. Talk it out and ask if him if divorce is really what he wants or if he was just being angry and dramatic. If the latter, I would make it clear that divorce is not an idle threat that he should throw around.

    As for your relationship with your MIL, I get that you dislike her and that she says and does stuff that is hurtful but it is obviously taking a toll on your husband so for his sake, don't badmouth her to him and try to play nice.



    Thank you for the advice. I just wanted to say believe me I do not talk ill of her to him because it always causes a fight, this fight was caused because he brought up how I wont forgive her etc. It will just take time. He still hasn't come home yet so I haven't been able to talk with him but I will tell him how serious the divorce topic is and to not throw it around like its nothing. Thank you!
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  • thay33 said:

    . Our fight got worse & my husband asked me for a divorce and also asked me if I could sign over all my rights after the baby is born. He's never said anything like that to me before and after he said all that he left.

    I really can't understand why he'd threaten divorce and parental rights over you being angry??? I'd be furious with my SO if he ever said such things. Especially signing over parental rights.

    So how long has he been gone? Have you tried calling him?

    I am really sorry my SO and I have had our fights and no matter how small (or big) when I'm pregnant it's the end of the world.
    Keep us updated... Thinking of you.





  • taisree said:

    thay33 said:

    . Our fight got worse & my husband asked me for a divorce and also asked me if I could sign over all my rights after the baby is born. He's never said anything like that to me before and after he said all that he left.

    I really can't understand why he'd threaten divorce and parental rights over you being angry??? I'd be furious with my SO if he ever said such things. Especially signing over parental rights.

    So how long has he been gone? Have you tried calling him?

    I am really sorry my SO and I have had our fights and no matter how small (or big) when I'm pregnant it's the end of the world.
    Keep us updated... Thinking of you.





    The whole fight happened maybe about 2 hours ago. & I haven't tried contacting him because I just think he needs to cool off. Maybe if he takes the time away he will realize what he said & what damage it has caused. & I mean my MIL and I have never ever gotten along so I think this was just the straw that broke the camels back honestly. But thank you so much & I will keep everyone updated!
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  • I agree with PP's, this reaction seems disproportionate to the actual disagreement that occurred, unless there's other underlying stress associated with his outburst. I would not tolerate threats like that. A serious discussion is vital at this point, and the discussion should include how you two can get on the same page and manage the relationship between you and your MIL. I think it's important to remember that this will take some give on both ends, his and yours. He will need to respect that your MIL can be hurtful towards you, but you might have to give a little too in terms of figuring out how to have a cordial relationship with her, even just for the sake of your relationship, and especially for the sake of your baby. After all, she will be grandma.

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  • Wow, I'm sorry that escalated that way. I can't even wrap my head around why it would unless something else was really bothering him. I hope things work out for you, soon.
  • I am so sorry you are going through this. I can understand not getting along with In-laws because my FIL and I are not buddy buddy. He thinks we are but DH knows I'm not a huge fan of his dad or his dads new wife. As hurtful as they can be sometimes you just have to suck it up and smile and go about your business. AFTER everyone is gone and you and DH are along then you can bring up what his mom said and how hurt you were by it. Being a mamma's boy shouldn't have anything to do with it.  As your husband he needs to stick up for you. He married you, he didn't marry his mother.  He needs to (in a polite way) tell his mom she cant be so mean to you anymore. It's not right. At the same time, you have the right as this child's MOTHER to not allow his grandparents around him if all she is going to say is mean and hurtful things.  

    I hope you guys work it out. Thinking about you!

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  • finchfeeder80finchfeeder80 member
    edited December 2014
    I should have mentioned earlier that my best friend has a horrible MIL. She is just a terrible person. It sounds like you stay pretty rational, so definitely don't take this as I think you do this, but I have witnessed her many many times going on a rampage about her MIL to her husband and I can see how tense and upset it makes him. He usually never lashes out back at her, but I can definitely see that it takes a toll on him. They've had some fights about it.

    I will say this, though. He has on occasion put his mother in her place when she really crosses the line. It always eventually goes back to "normal", but for a little while, at least, things get better. Your husband might want to have a talk with her about why what she says is hurtful like a PP suggested. 

    I think it's great you don't constantly pick at the subject because you know it hurts him. However, he should be the ONE person you can vent to when it just gets to be too much.
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  • I'm so sorry!! How horrible!! Hopefully he said those things out of anger, but even if so, it was so wrong of him. I agree with other PP'S that you need to have a very serious talk with him. Find out why he jumped to such an overboard conclusion as divorce. Stress to him that divorce is a very SERIOUS topic, and unless he means it, those words shoud never come out of his mouth again. And then suggesting you sign over your rights... that is so hurtful. Does he typically say things to that extreme just to hurt you? And as far as your MIL... a husband should never side with his mother over his wife. This is so toxic to a marriage. Express the seriousness of this, and how it makes you feel. Since you and your MIL have never gotten along though, I do suggest you try not to let the things she does get to you as much. She will probably never change, so unless you want to be feuding with her forever, just let it roll of your shoulders. Maybe she just enjoys getting a rise out of you. If she sees that you aren't responding to it, maybe she will calm down.

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  • Whoa, thats seems to have escalated quickly.  Are there other issues in the relationship?  If so, I would get into counseling NOW.  If not, it's really unfair of you DH to throw out divorce and parental rights over this.  If I were you, I would confront DH AND I would have a discussion with the MIL about how you felt about her comments.  Just air it all out and try to move forward.
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  • I'm so sorry, this sounds really tough. I really don't have much advice on the situation, but if possible it might not be a bad idea to look into some counseling. Speaking from first hand experience, marriage for me was really tough following my son's birth. I was irritable, in pain and exhausted. My husband who isn't the most sensitive guy to begin with had a hard time figuring out what I needed emotionally. If things are a little rocky now, it might be beneficial to try and work out some kinks before baby gets here. That's all I have to add. Please keep us posted and again, I'm so sorry.
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  • I'm so sorry that this happened. Have you considered couples counseling? His reaction just seems so over the top and extreme for the given situation which makes me think that he has other things on his mind that he hasn't discussed with you. The whole thing with taking his mother's side is really concerning to me, too. I think most guys would be sorry that their mom upset their wife, but then would just let it go and hope it would all blow over. He needs to be a team with you, not his mom. If he doesn't see that, you'll have worse problems in the future (like when his mom tries to dictate how you two raise your son).

    I'm probably hypersensitive to the mama's boy thing because my grandfather was one and his mother set out to end his marriage and succeeded because he took her side over his wife's. My mom and her sister are in their 50s and are still scarred from that whole thing.

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  • awheeler4311awheeler4311 member
    edited December 2014
    thay33 said:

    I posted a couple days ago how my mother in law ruined my sex reveal party because she thought it was a girl & it ended up being a boy & then she had all these bad things to say about having boys when she has 2 sons and a grandson. So today my husband brought up how I wont "forgive her"... First of all (excuse me if this sounds childish) but she never even apologized to me, and to be honest I'm pretty positive she doesn't even know I'm mad at her... We haven't spoken, but we don't speak on a daily basis. & I told him that it will take me a long time to forgive her and I explained it to him like this. Imagine you are given a beautiful amazing gift one that you can never ever return but that's okay because you are blessed to have it... And some one tells you all the horrible bad things about it! It's going to take time for me to get over things but for right now I'm just still upset. Our fight got worse & my husband asked me for a divorce and also asked me if I could sign over all my rights after the baby is born. He's never said anything like that to me before and after he said all that he left. I am a big ball of a mess! I keep trying to calm myself down for my baby's sake but I don't even know how to react or feel :'( please just keep me in your thoughts and prayers everyone.

    I haven't read through the comments yet, but I wanted to add to this. I'm going through essentially the same thing with my husband and his mother. Back story, my husband is really close to his mom bc she is an emotional wreck and turns to him for everything. He lost his dad when he was a teenager to a brain tumor so he's scared to death to lose her. She's ridiculous and tells him stuff a mother should never tell her son (like about her 2 recent abortions, wtf!). Anyway, it's a long story of how we got here, but I told her off in an email. Very nicely, but said pretty much like you need to back off if this marriage will ever work he can't handle your emotional mess and mine too. I need him as a partner Blah blah. She wouldn't talk to me or write me back (I even wrote again and apologized). Then she would randomly text me stupid pictures (she's really inmature) and then she continued to do the shit I was pissed about (like befriend this girl on facebook who used to harass me about my H years ago).... I was like no way, this needs discussed. It's not getting swept under the rug (their family doesn't talk about anything, where my family talks EVERYTHING out).

    ANYWAY, my husband came in between this battle. I felt like he needed to stick up for his pregnant wife, and she felt like she's his mom. He tried to make peace, but he wouldn't stand up to her and tell her to knock it off. Well our fight got as bad as yours and I almost moved home across country and divorced his ass. He said some terrible things to me. He literally could not handle being inbetween the two of us. Here is what I learned.... I called her to dinner and we hashed it out. She said some mean things, I let it roll off my back... BC I love my husband and I want to be with him and I am not letting this bitch win and not have a father in his life bc of the mother. It's is mom, and there's a good chance you'll never come in between them. It's just a mother son thing and it's bullshit and he loves us both but they don't have any balls to stand up to their moms.

    His mom and I are sweetly being nice to her and I dream of punching her in the face every time I see her, but I play nice. It's just not worth it and it's going piss me off that he didn't stand up for me, but it doesn't mean he doesn't love me... It's just a really hard situation.

    So it's probably not the answer you were hoping for, but you're going to have to let it go. He shouldn't act like an ass to you and that is something that needs addressed (we are addressing it in therapy), but as soon as I let it go, our marriage has been so much better... It's just not worth it!!

    I hope that helps at all? I can't definitely relate it's a shitty situation and MIL are nutso for their sons.

    ETA : we are addressing the mom in therapy, and when I just let it go, he is much more coddling and caring towards me and this pregnancy. This happened so early on in the pregancy that I don't think it was real to him yet either. He has really seemed to change his tune a bit and (I'll wait and see) I feel like he's much more inclined to have my back now bc he is now attached to this baby bc it's more real... And he seems protective
  • jilly159jilly159 member
    edited December 2014
    I'm sorry but you're MIL sounds like a complete child. I don't understand why the sex of the baby would even cause an argument because IT'S NOT HER BABY. Along with what you said about your wedding, it seems like someone *cough cough MIL* has control issues. Your hubby should not have gone off the handle like that. Hopefully he's able to clear his mind and can realize that he shouldn't be putting you in a position where it's his mom's way or no way. ((Hugs!))
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  • I'm sorry :( it seems like sometimes fights become so much bigger than how they started. You have every right to feel whatever emotion you have! Never apologize for the way you feel. On that note, things said, even in the heat of the moment, can never be taken back. They can be forgiven but never forgotten. The threat of divorce (at least for me) is something that would haunt me to the point of it probably happening. He needs to do some serious groveling and get his shit together. You and this baby come before his mother. Hugs!!
  • So sorry to hear what you are going through. I hope he will come to his senses and apologize. Keep us posted.
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  • thay33 said:
    I'm so sorry you're going through this. Is your husband usually this dramatic? Did you have other issues going on? Hopefully he was just angry and will calm down. I would murder my husband if he dared threatening me with divorce and taking my child- what a horrible thing to say to your pregnant wife.
    He can be pretty dramatic, but as for other issues.. aside from the bickering we will have from time to time. The only issue we've had is the fact that I've never gotten along with my MIL... I mean this isn't the only time she's done something like this. She was mad when we got married... then she controlled my entire wedding... I could go ON and ON. & it has annoyed my husband that we can't stand each other since day one. He's a major major mamas boy which isn't necessarily a bad thing but when it comes to him saying this to me because of her... I have to be honest it's getting on my last nerve. :(
    You don't have to love your mother in law to love your husband...and you do NOT need to be her BFF. If, like you said, she is kind of oblivious to the whole situation then I don't see why your DH should have a problem with you just dealing with it in your own way. (I'm not saying you should be a bitch to her but don't go out of your way to be her buddy...)

    Have you been complaining about it a lot to him? Maybe if he knew that you weren't going to treat his mother like crap - just not going to go out of your way to be nice to her - and aren't going to talk to him about it he wouldn't have such an issue with it. Maybe he feels like you are dragging him into the middle.

    All that said...she sounds like a turd.
  • I'm so sorry this escalated! However, your husband's reaction was totally unacceptable. If I were you, when he calms down and you guys talk, I would make counseling non-negotiable. Clearly he's got some other issues fueling his reaction to this. You should not have to spend your life (and neither should your child) dealing with this type of reaction to issues that upset him. My DH is mama's boy too but I made it very clear to him that he sides with me whether that's how he feels or not, and then when it's just us we can talk about how to compromise. But you have to present a unified front with pushy, rude parents or you'll spend your entire life being miserable. I def feel for you...I know how hard this kind of thing can be! Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and demand the kindness and respect that you deserve!
  • I am so sorry about his reaction. A lack of support can really hurt. That said, do you have a good relationship with your family? If things went down, could you move home? Support yourself? I ask because - if my husband ever said this to me - I would have it out with him one more time and then make arrangements to give him what he wants. A full-blown fight. I would make it known to him that he can be a PT dad and that I would be happy to get child support and spousal support given the fact that I couldn't work while pregnant or with a newborn. I would also tell him the chances of him getting even half or primary custody are slim to none so good luck with that one.

    This is BS that he responded that way. I'm too much of a bitch to take that shit from him, especially now that I'm crazy pregnant.

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  • Your husband was completely out of line throwing around the D word. That is off limits for fights.

    However (and this might be an UO), not having been through the event with your MIL, it seems like you may be a little too sensitive / could be a slight overreaction. Is your MIL not excited about having a new grandchild? Did she embarrass you at the sex reveal party?

    Both boys and girls come with parenting challenges, i have no idea how negative she was about sharing the challenges with boys, but her remarking on the challenges does not seem like something to be super upset about to the point of this escalated argument with your DH. Maybe her comments were egregious, but give her the benefit of the doubt that she was sharing some of the issues she had while raising 2 boys.

    You don't have to be best friends with her, but think about the tradeoff of being mad at her v. having a blowout fight with your hubby. Is it worth it?

    My MIL is totally nutso (could tell you lots of stories...), once I got in a huge fight with my DH about her, since then I just let this stuff go.
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  • I'm so sorry you are going through this added stress... I don't have any helpful advice, just wanted to offer my words of support for you! I hope you can work through it (both with your husband and MIL).
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  • a5swanson said:

    Ohhhh man. OK. I agree with most PPs about the issues with your husband. He was way out of line and when things cool down, the two of you need to sit down and hash it out. Here, he should definitely be apologizing for what he said.


    So, since that's all been said...I'll take a different angle on the MIL issue:

    You said that you and MIL have always been at odds, which is tough (I have a BSC MIL too so I can relate). You also said, "I don't even think she knows I'm mad". To me, that's a problem. She needs to know how much she hurt you by the whole baby shower incident. Being passive about issues like this do not resolve things in the future. Obviously, to someone like her, it is not CLEAR that acting in that manner is out of line. You may need to spell it out for her in a calm way. 

    My advice: Get on the same page with your DH when things calm down. Then, have a long sit-down hash out with your MIL about your feelings. Is that something that can be done? How have talks like this gone in the past? 

    I think talking it out with your MIL will show a LOT of "taking the higher road" on your part to your DH and, based on how she reacts, will show your DH his Mom's character in this whole mess. It will also clear your conscience about it. "Hey, at least I've tried to express my feelings about these things to your Mom".

    Let me know what you think. I know it can be easier said than done. Hang in there.


    My MIL hates me! We were very close until my DH proposed to me. Then she flipped a switch and I've been public enemy since then. She only said one thing to me at our wedding. She said "when you have a daughter and she gets married, you gain a son in law. When you have a son that gets married, you lose your son". I've never been welcomed into their family. At first she treated me horrible only behind my DH'S back. When I talked to him about it, he got mad at me and defended her. For about 2 years this went on. Then we were expecting our DS. She started slipping up in front of him. She would treat me horribly right in front of his face. He apologized to me for not having my back our entire marriage, and things changed. We tried having things out with his mom several times, but she just called us evil liars and said she's never done anything wrong. But we tried, and that's all that mattered to my DH. His mom has seen DS all of 3 times in the past year. She has nothing to do with us. We told her unless she cleans up her act, she'll have nothing to do with us. She's not willing to admit anything she's done, and refuses to treat me with respect. So she's losing out on her only grandchild. I'm having twins now and unless she changes her tune, she won't have anything to do with them either.

    Long story short, try talking to both your DH and MIL. Your husband should respect you for being mature and trying to work things out. You guys are married to each other and having a baby together. His mom needs to respect that or get out of the way. Good luck dear! I know exactly what you're going through.

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  • Wow! I would be pissed! So sorry ! I would not be speaking to him for awhile ! Totally understandable why your upset if your not ready to talk to his mother , why should you ! I hope things get better , take care
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