I have a bunch of replies to threads that I typed and never clicked "post reply" on. I like to do that, write a reply and not post it. I don't know why I do this.....
As mentioned in the randoms thread... I just snagged my bathing suit on the velcro of BF's shorts. Have done that in the past. I hate ruining expensive bikini's this way.
I don't think I've had sex in the past year, without F14 going through my mind at least once for some reason or an other.
I dislike how DH decorates the outside of our house. I would never say anything to him because he spends a lot of time on it. But it's too much. Bright white lights, colored lights, animated icicle lights, holographic stuff, soft white... It's kind of tacky.
I think when states call for aid for emergencies, it should be for unforseen events. A dam fails and causes flooding - worthy of state and national aid. A 6.5+ earthquake, tsunami hits and the warning systems failed, all worthy of state and federal aid. Oakland Raiders winning or loseing is not a state emergency.
A predicted huge storm causes about the predicted result but the municipalities don't prepair properly doesn't qualify. That's on the residents and the municipality to work together and resolve it.
I think when states call for aid for emergencies, it should be for unforseen events. A dam fails and causes flooding - worthy of state and national aid. A 6.5+ earthquake, tsunami hits and the warning systems failed, all worthy of state and federal aid. Oakland Raiders winning or loseing is not a state emergency.
A predicted huge storm causes about the predicted result but the municipalities don't prepair properly doesn't qualify. That's on the residents and the municipality to work together and resolve it.
I think this belongs in UO.
And as someone who is living in an area that was devastated by a recent, predicted storm? You're so wrong. It is a state if emergency. Municipalities and residents were working together. But you know what? We needed the National Guard, Red Cross, FEMA, and every single cent we receive, too. Please advise on how my neighbors, my municipality, and my family could have been better prepared to deal with 80+ inches of snow and the resulting flood. Please advise on how this type of storm and that damage it causes it different from an earthquake -- just because it was predicted?
I think when states call for aid for emergencies, it should be for unforseen events. A dam fails and causes flooding - worthy of state and national aid. A 6.5+ earthquake, tsunami hits and the warning systems failed, all worthy of state and federal aid. Oakland Raiders winning or loseing is not a state emergency.
A predicted huge storm causes about the predicted result but the municipalities don't prepair properly doesn't qualify. That's on the residents and the municipality to work together and resolve it.
Because every state and municipality gets the exact same amount of snow every winter. Color me impressed by your plan.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure my town blew through most -- if not all -- of their snow removal budget with this storm. Having aid from other towns, the state, and the federal government means they have enough money to plow the next time we get a storm. Or that they don't have to choose between salting and pothole repair. Plus we've already had two blizzards in 2014.
My ILs expanded their house last year, and "our room" when we stay overnight is their old room. I refuse to have sex in my ILs' old bed. That's weird, right? DH disapproved of my logic when we stayed there last night. But... :::shudder::: Ain't happening.
Also there are reasons some people can't leave promptly in an emergency, varying from mental health to physical disability to economic circumstance...
Sense. You make too much sense.
False. They should be prepaired for anything.
Well, not anything. Apparently earthquakes are special snowflakes. I wonder about wild fires? Tornado (which they can predict that conditions are right for those, so those people are probably out of luck? Drought?
Everyone knew about Hurricane Sandy too. My state did a ton to prepare, people were ordered to evacuate (after learning lessons from Katrina) but whole towns still disappeared and people still died. The boardwalk washed away. Hospitals closed. We needed everything we got and it still wasn't enough. There is so much that hasn't and cannot be rebuilt. You can prepare all you want but you can't predict exactly what the true impact will be.
I guess tens of thousands of people without power for days or weeks, gas and food shortages and cold and damp conditions is not a state of Emergency. Sandy impacted where I grew up and where most of my family and friends live. Everyone I knew was prepared for the storm and/or evacuated if they could. My brother was a first responder during Sandy and saw things that have changed him forever.
What happens when there are not enough first responders? Or when the first responders need a break? I mean, isn't that what emergency aid is there for? It's not because my volunteer fire dept. decided not to show up one day. It's because they all showed up for days on end and were making no headway -- same with the highway dept and the police and the troopers and the paramedics. My community has all of those things -- they're prepared for emergencies, but natural disasters require more.
During thr SF '89 earthquake, many of the communities cleaned up without being paid. They worked together, and donated resources to make it work. The fire departments were never paid in my area because their was no money.
The resent snow storm that caused so much drama was predicted to be worse then what happened. So why then was it not managed according it the worse case posabilty. If it going to snow 100 inches in such a short amount of time (the predicted amount), there needs to be plans made for that. Why were there not crews put on standby to plow constantly on the major roads? Why was not extra equipment brought in to bolster the normal fleet of snow removal equipment? Why were those who needed extra assistance (physical and mentally) not given preventaive help? Why was there no community resource sharing plan made and published? Why was there no place to go for those who houses could not take the amount of weight that would be added from the snow? Before the storm hit, did anyone in charge think where the snow would go? It's not like melted snow just waits around for some to decide what to do.
I'm not taking about budget (because you can't budget mother nature), I'm talking about basic humanity. Everyone needs to stay dry, warm enough, feed and with sanitation. The not about being comfortable at home. The whole situation was handled so poorly it's rediclous. The residents got the short end of the stick. Here when it snows like that, the residents themselves shovel a car path on the highways to make sure it's servicable. When it snows badly, most people go to one home and share resources. Those who are older and not most there (like Mr pork and beans) are not given a choice, but forcibly moved to the fire station. For those on got assistance, the stores give a box with basics that will help them through the storm. We just had 3 ft drop over night. Everyone rallied together and check in on each other, made sure everyone had food and enough firewood. A fleet of volunteers shoveled and plowed the main roads and anyone who requested it. No 36 inches does not compared to the predicted 100 inches. But the actions would be the same up here if it were 3 ft or 100 inches, just to a different extent.
Residents shovel paths on highways where you live? I would think that is more of a hindrance to the transportation crews than a help. I would rather have a "state of emergency " where the general pop needs to stay off the roads and the professionals do their jobs. @Flyingtoast You are right on one point. You cannot compare 36" to 100" of snow. That is a lOT of snow for even the most organized community to deal with. I'm sure they were busy keeping essential roads clear like to the hospitals and police stations.
During thr SF '89 earthquake, many of the communities cleaned up without being paid. They worked together, and donated resources to make it work. The fire departments were never paid in my area because their was no money.
The resent snow storm that caused so much drama was predicted to be worse then what happened. So why then was it not managed according it the worse case posabilty. If it going to snow 100 inches in such a short amount of time (the predicted amount), there needs to be plans made for that. Why were there not crews put on standby to plow constantly on the major roads? Why was not extra equipment brought in to bolster the normal fleet of snow removal equipment? Why were those who needed extra assistance (physical and mentally) not given preventaive help? Why was there no community resource sharing plan made and published? Why was there no place to go for those who houses could not take the amount of weight that would be added from the snow? Before the storm hit, did anyone in charge think where the snow would go? It's not like melted snow just waits around for some to decide what to do.
I'm not taking about budget (because you can't budget mother nature), I'm talking about basic humanity. Everyone needs to stay dry, warm enough, feed and with sanitation. The not about being comfortable at home. The whole situation was handled so poorly it's rediclous. The residents got the short end of the stick. Here when it snows like that, the residents themselves shovel a car path on the highways to make sure it's servicable. When it snows badly, most people go to one home and share resources. Those who are older and not most there (like Mr pork and beans) are not given a choice, but forcibly moved to the fire station. For those on got assistance, the stores give a box with basics that will help them through the storm. We just had 3 ft drop over night. Everyone rallied together and check in on each other, made sure everyone had food and enough firewood. A fleet of volunteers shoveled and plowed the main roads and anyone who requested it. No 36 inches does not compared to the predicted 100 inches. But the actions would be the same up here if it were 3 ft or 100 inches, just to a different extent.
During thr SF '89 earthquake, many of the communities cleaned up without being paid. They worked together, and donated resources to make it work. The fire departments were never paid in my area because their was no money.
The resent snow storm that caused so much drama was predicted to be worse then what happened. So why then was it not managed according it the worse case posabilty. If it going to snow 100 inches in such a short amount of time (the predicted amount), there needs to be plans made for that. Why were there not crews put on standby to plow constantly on the major roads? Why was not extra equipment brought in to bolster the normal fleet of snow removal equipment? Why were those who needed extra assistance (physical and mentally) not given preventaive help? Why was there no community resource sharing plan made and published? Why was there no place to go for those who houses could not take the amount of weight that would be added from the snow? Before the storm hit, did anyone in charge think where the snow would go? It's not like melted snow just waits around for some to decide what to do.
I'm not taking about budget (because you can't budget mother nature), I'm talking about basic humanity. Everyone needs to stay dry, warm enough, feed and with sanitation. The not about being comfortable at home. The whole situation was handled so poorly it's rediclous. The residents got the short end of the stick. Here when it snows like that, the residents themselves shovel a car path on the highways to make sure it's servicable. When it snows badly, most people go to one home and share resources. Those who are older and not most there (like Mr pork and beans) are not given a choice, but forcibly moved to the fire station. For those on got assistance, the stores give a box with basics that will help them through the storm. We just had 3 ft drop over night. Everyone rallied together and check in on each other, made sure everyone had food and enough firewood. A fleet of volunteers shoveled and plowed the main roads and anyone who requested it. No 36 inches does not compared to the predicted 100 inches. But the actions would be the same up here if it were 3 ft or 100 inches, just to a different extent.
Are you referring to my storm in Buffalo? You wanted me to go out to the mainline thruway with my shovel? You wanted me to shovel that heavy, wet snow for any real amount of time? You know people DIED shoveling that snow? We went to bed Monday night with three inches and woke up Tuesday morning with five feet. The snow was so heavy and wet that the plows were getting stuck. Caused so much drama? Drama isn't really the right word here. People were coming unpaid from surrounding communitis to help. The Amish came. People -- volunteers -- DIED coming to help. You all can do it however you want on the homestead, but this holier than thou attitude pisses me right off (though I'm pretty sure that's your intent anyway). I can't even with you and this BS. With that, I'm out of this thread.
personally, I'm extremely impressed that Bangsgiving lasted a whole hour. Afternoon delight in this house did not. My FFFC is that i'm ok with that. Sadly, I spent half of it wondering when it would be over.
Well crap, this was an entertaining late night read. @Flyingtoast WTF? Everyone said plenty already but I don't get how you can be so insensitive. I'm pretty sure you win the award for random posts that piss people off. Don't think me a venomous horcrux...
@danaadell@rgoblue :-h Welcome ladies! I hope you both stick around. I'm so glad F14 resisted making an fb group.
Day after confession: we have two high chairs because of child care. On days off we just don't bother cleaning them till they're both dirty. You may see that in my IG photos X_X
I have lived in a high rise apartment for 5 years. We still knew our neighbors. I knew exactly who I could call at a moments notice and trust them. No it was not every neighbor, but we purposely could name 4 in the event sometime happened. Living in a city is not an excuse from not being prepared. The cities and it's residents had warning a major storm was coming. The resent storm was exspected to be bad because of thr lake effect. The was why it was predicted to be 100 inches. Those in charge knew of these weather patterns, yet were unprepared for the worst case senerio, never mind the lesser reality.
In response to shoveling the highway. In our area we shovel the roads to the fire station and life flight. We don't assume the road crews will get to it before someone needs it. We all hope the road crews will meet us, but never assume. They have hundreds of highway miles to clean, why risk our residents lives on a hope?
All emergency personal are underpaid and overworked. But it doesn't mean residents can't strap up and make their lives significantly easier by doing their part. When it's bad here, people willingly syphon gas for the plow equipment. They don't get paid back for the 100 gallon tank that was emptied. They do it for the greater good. Everyone pitches together to resolve the situation. Stranger, best friend, everyone stops thinking about their personal needs and looks for the collective need.
It's unfortunate those willing to help died from their unprepared efforts. But WHY were they unprepaired? Why were people not taking turns shoveling the vital pathways?
BECAUSE THERE WERE WHITE OUT CONDITIONS, AND IT WAS HEAVY, WET SNOW THAT PEOPLE LITERALLY DIED FROM SHOVELING.
Does any of that make sense to you? Probably not.
It was not safe to be outside shoveling for more than a few minutes at a time. And the snow was coming faster than it could be shoveled. Does that make any sense to you?
Probably not. Because no one is as good or as prepared or as holy as you.
My DH was outside helping neighbors, and they were helping us and others. But our Suburbia USA snow blowers and plastic shovels were no match for the storm. We couldn't have done multiple streets. It took four days to do our driveways.
And in an emergency, emergency personnel were responding on snowmobiles and ATVs. We didn't need to shovel for them.
I should have stayed out of here. Brick freaking wall.
How were people supposed to organize taking turns to shovel vital roadways? Should everyone have one of those telephone trees with a list of people to call in case of 100" of snow?
Your argument doesn't make any sense. Also, I'm glad you knew of 4 neighbors you could trust when you lived in a city but that is not practical. I live in a rural community and absolutely would not trust ONE neighbor to watch my LO in a situation like this so I could go do my part in shoveling.
What plan do you have that they could have implemented to be better prepared?
She's acting like an idiot, as always. She argues to argue and either ignores or is incapable of understanding any reality but her own. Not worth the fight.
And you know what? Even if a community isn't prepared and just has a sucky plan and fails to do what they should, there are still PEOPLE living there who are worth saving and worth the state of emergency and any funds spent.
Re: FFFC????
Can you talk to him about it? That isn't fair. I'm not always big on everything needs to be super fair and equal and I think that's uncool.
A predicted huge storm causes about the predicted result but the municipalities don't prepair properly doesn't qualify. That's on the residents and the municipality to work together and resolve it.
And as someone who is living in an area that was devastated by a recent, predicted storm? You're so wrong. It is a state if emergency. Municipalities and residents were working together. But you know what? We needed the National Guard, Red Cross, FEMA, and every single cent we receive, too. Please advise on how my neighbors, my municipality, and my family could have been better prepared to deal with 80+ inches of snow and the resulting flood. Please advise on how this type of storm and that damage it causes it different from an earthquake -- just because it was predicted?
Jesus.
This really makes me angry.
The resent snow storm that caused so much drama was predicted to be worse then what happened. So why then was it not managed according it the worse case posabilty. If it going to snow 100 inches in such a short amount of time (the predicted amount), there needs to be plans made for that. Why were there not crews put on standby to plow constantly on the major roads? Why was not extra equipment brought in to bolster the normal fleet of snow removal equipment? Why were those who needed extra assistance (physical and mentally) not given preventaive help? Why was there no community resource sharing plan made and published? Why was there no place to go for those who houses could not take the amount of weight that would be added from the snow? Before the storm hit, did anyone in charge think where the snow would go? It's not like melted snow just waits around for some to decide what to do.
I'm not taking about budget (because you can't budget mother nature), I'm talking about basic humanity. Everyone needs to stay dry, warm enough, feed and with sanitation. The not about being comfortable at home. The whole situation was handled so poorly it's rediclous. The residents got the short end of the stick. Here when it snows like that, the residents themselves shovel a car path on the highways to make sure it's servicable. When it snows badly, most people go to one home and share resources. Those who are older and not most there (like Mr pork and beans) are not given a choice, but forcibly moved to the fire station. For those on got assistance, the stores give a box with basics that will help them through the storm. We just had 3 ft drop over night. Everyone rallied together and check in on each other, made sure everyone had food and enough firewood. A fleet of volunteers shoveled and plowed the main roads and anyone who requested it. No 36 inches does not compared to the predicted 100 inches. But the actions would be the same up here if it were 3 ft or 100 inches, just to a different extent.
@Flyingtoast You are right on one point. You cannot compare 36" to 100" of snow. That is a lOT of snow for even the most organized community to deal with. I'm sure they were busy keeping essential roads clear like to the hospitals and police stations.
You're acting like a complete idiot.
Basic humanity indeed.
Are you referring to my storm in Buffalo? You wanted me to go out to the mainline thruway with my shovel? You wanted me to shovel that heavy, wet snow for any real amount of time? You know people DIED shoveling that snow? We went to bed Monday night with three inches and woke up Tuesday morning with five feet. The snow was so heavy and wet that the plows were getting stuck. Caused so much drama? Drama isn't really the right word here. People were coming unpaid from surrounding communitis to help. The Amish came. People -- volunteers -- DIED coming to help. You all can do it however you want on the homestead, but this holier than thou attitude pisses me right off (though I'm pretty sure that's your intent anyway). I can't even with you and this BS. With that, I'm out of this thread.
@Flyingtoast WTF? Everyone said plenty already but I don't get how you can be so insensitive. I'm pretty sure you win the award for random posts that piss people off. Don't think me a venomous horcrux...
@danaadell @rgoblue :-h Welcome ladies! I hope you both stick around. I'm so glad F14 resisted making an fb group.
In response to shoveling the highway. In our area we shovel the roads to the fire station and life flight. We don't assume the road crews will get to it before someone needs it. We all hope the road crews will meet us, but never assume. They have hundreds of highway miles to clean, why risk our residents lives on a hope?
All emergency personal are underpaid and overworked. But it doesn't mean residents can't strap up and make their lives significantly easier by doing their part. When it's bad here, people willingly syphon gas for the plow equipment. They don't get paid back for the 100 gallon tank that was emptied. They do it for the greater good. Everyone pitches together to resolve the situation. Stranger, best friend, everyone stops thinking about their personal needs and looks for the collective need.
It's unfortunate those willing to help died from their unprepared efforts. But WHY were they unprepaired? Why were people not taking turns shoveling the vital pathways?
Does any of that make sense to you? Probably not.
It was not safe to be outside shoveling for more than a few minutes at a time. And the snow was coming faster than it could be shoveled. Does that make any sense to you?
Probably not. Because no one is as good or as prepared or as holy as you.
My DH was outside helping neighbors, and they were helping us and others. But our Suburbia USA snow blowers and plastic shovels were no match for the storm. We couldn't have done multiple streets. It took four days to do our driveways.
And in an emergency, emergency personnel were responding on snowmobiles and ATVs. We didn't need to shovel for them.
I should have stayed out of here. Brick freaking wall.
She's acting like an idiot, as always. She argues to argue and either ignores or is incapable of understanding any reality but her own. Not worth the fight.
Thanks for the laugh!