Fffc

taylormarie923

Am I going to be shooting up heroin in the bathroom while my baby sticks forks in the wall outlets by the end of the day?

#letmeknow

Ajoyd

Way late to this shit show but I know Taylor better than I know most people here and I know she is an amazing fucking mom and I am certain that she would never put her son in danger.

So obviously #teamtaylor

Amjoy25

Ok, it's one thing to have a few drinks and have drunken sex with a sleeping baby in the house...it's quite another to be an alcoholic. My grandmother was an alcoholic and I recall her being drunk at every family gathering...so settle your tits crunchy. Everyone needs to get off their judgey bike right now. I don't think @taylormarie923‌ would ever endanger her child.

psychdoc12

Obviously I need to drink whatever you guys are drinking that gets you super drunk with only a few drinks. #drinkdrinkdrink

Lee81

To be fair, you actually said

taylormarie923 said:

suuuuuuuper drunk 

That does tend to bring up visions of stumbling around and general inability to properly parent if necessary. I doubt that anyone actually thinks anyone on this board would feel like it's okay for all adults in the house to be at that point, but it's not unprecedented for people on the board to be asked to clarify what they meant. Psychdoc asked, taylor clarified. I'm surprised to see this still being discussed. #teamdittowhatbaconfacesaid

Amjoy25

How did such a fun FFFC about @taylormarie923‌ not using protection and possibly getting knocked up become LET'S CALL CPS and YOU'RE AN ALCOHOLIC!!!!! Success Taylor! #shedidnotmakefunof9-11

psychdoc12

crunchymama11 said:

Lee81 said:

To be fair, you actually said

taylormarie923 said:

suuuuuuuper drunk 

That does tend to bring up visions of stumbling around and general inability to properly parent if necessary. I doubt that anyone actually thinks anyone on this board would feel like it's okay for all adults in the house to be at that point, but it's not unprecedented for people on the board to be asked to clarify what they meant. Psychdoc asked, taylor clarified. I'm surprised to see this still being discussed. #teamdittowhatbaconfacesaid

Exactly. She didn't say "we had a few drinks". Otherwise the responses would've been different.

"suuuuuuuper drunk" =/= a few drinks

I would have scrolled right on by "a few drinks." 

Ajoyd

Sorry but to me when you throw CPS into the mix you are the one drawing a line in the sand.

For the record, I don't consider questioning my friend's competence as a parent to be good drama.
#teamtaylor

muffyvonmuff

taylormarie923 said:

Am I going to be shooting up heroin in the bathroom while my baby sticks forks in the wall outlets by the end of the day? #letmeknow

Ajoyd

baconface said:

The misinterpretation of the CPS comments is exactly the kind of drama-stirring I was referring to.

Well in that case I guess maybe people could have private messaged their concerns to Taylor? Laying them out in FFFC is the very definition of drama-stirring.

psychdoc12

Ajoyd said:

The misinterpretation of the CPS comments is exactly the kind of drama-stirring I was referring to.

Well in that case I guess maybe people could have private messaged their concerns to Taylor? Laying them out in FFFC is the very definition of drama-stirring.

Now we can't even reply to confessions? I guess it really is flame-free then.

psychdoc12

baconface said:

Isn't that the point of FFFC and UO, though? The thing I see as drama-stirring isn't disagreeing about things or whatever. It's when people purposely misinterpret something and then blow it out of proportion. That's what I think happened here. Maybe it wasn't on purpose at first, but after a while, I think people just decided to jump on the bandwagon, "OMG these judgy sanctimony killjoys don't even want us to have a beer!!!" Uh ok, yeah, cause that's what was said. This whole FFFC thread just really grinds my gears. FTR, I don't think anyone on here is a terrible mother or would put their child in danger, and I know I never said or implied that.

taylormarie923

Can you guys send a responsible adult over to my house? #iappreciateyourhelp

psychdoc12

ElleStaxx said:

FTR I just gave my input about CPS because cases like that do get reported. Like I previously said, they are usually dismissed but it's a pain in the ass. I've seen quite a few cases of parents going out drinking, coming home drunk, baby sitter leaves and child wakes up ih the middle of the night screaming with a fever. I've had cases of parents falling down the stairs while walking around with the child. These people were not alcoholics they just happen to have their child wake up ill on a night they happened to get intoxicated. I am not judging, and I don't know anything about what anyone drank nor is it my business what anyone does. But as an outsider in that the CPS profession, regular middle/upper class professionals do get reported. A paramedic or doctor has a responsibility to do so. I think it was just a matter of word usage. I am guessing @taylormarie923‌ meant "Suuuuper drunk" in a "feeling giddy" kind of way. I don't believe any one of us would get black out stumbling drunk with our children in the house. #teamO13

Let's all just hope for that and move on with our lives. 

1littlebird

taylormarie923 said:

Can you guys send a responsible adult over to my house? #iappreciateyourhelp

I'm just impressed by how smudge-free you fridge is!

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deedee1017

taylormarie923 said:

Can you guys send a responsible adult over to my house? #iappreciateyourhelp

Anyone else see the resemblance?

deedee1017

taylormarie923

When my ability to take care of my child is questioned, I think it is perfectly acceptable to defend myself without being accused of trying to stir drama. For those keeping count, I had 4 glasses of wine that night and I think it is really shitty the way a few of you responded. I'm still not even sure if bacon read this whole thread.

DH cleaned the fridge last week. It only appears to be clean because DS's "artwork" is further down.

Please don't tell me I look like Lizzie McGuire.

taylormarie923

And thank you to those who defended me, I appreciate it.

psychdoc12

I agree with how others summed up why there was *initial* concern that later dissipated once the situation was explained more fully. I'm sorry that anyone felt upset. 

taylormarie923

baconface said:

I sure did read every word! I have been assuming that most others haven't, though, since they somehow think someone in here was telling people they shouldn't have alcohol while taking care of their child. Since that seems to be the takeaway, I will have to assume that most people didn't read what people said. I am sorry you feel attacked, I guess there's nothing else anyone can say about that. I think @‌Lee81 and @ElleStaxx‌ both summed it up nicely, and if people are still feeling judged and upset, well then I guess that is just how you feel. I am sorry you feel that way because I have never thought you were anything but a great mom and a cool person, @taylormarie923‌.

I appreciate that. It was established fairly early on that what Psychdoc was interpreting my BAC to be was incorrect. Everything spiraled after that and it was taken to the very extreme of me balking out and falling over.

taylormarie923

Blacking out, too.

Lee81

taylormarie923 said:

I sure did read every word! I have been assuming that most others haven't, though, since they somehow think someone in here was telling people they shouldn't have alcohol while taking care of their child. Since that seems to be the takeaway, I will have to assume that most people didn't read what people said. I am sorry you feel attacked, I guess there's nothing else anyone can say about that. I think @‌Lee81 and @ElleStaxx‌ both summed it up nicely, and if people are still feeling judged and upset, well then I guess that is just how you feel. I am sorry you feel that way because I have never thought you were anything but a great mom and a cool person, @taylormarie923‌.

I appreciate that. It was established fairly early on that what Psychdoc was interpreting my BAC to be was incorrect. Everything spiraled after that and it was taken to the very extreme of me balking out and falling over.

I also read everything and I never saw this said or implied. I think there was a lot of overreacting from quite a few people. And I say this as someone who is planning on drinking #allthewine tonight, so I definitely am not judging you or anyone for getting a little tipsy or suuuuuper drunk if that's what you call it.

psychdoc12

I am suuuuuper shocked this conversation has lasted this long. Can we call a truce yet?

psychdoc12

After all, #noneofusmadefunof911.

deedee1017

@taylormarie923 not lizzie mcguire, hillary duff  I think she's so beautiful!

taylormarie923

deedee1017 said:

@taylormarie923 not lizzie mcguire, hillary duff  I think she's so beautiful!

Hillary Duff is Lizzie McGuire.



The internet is seriously lacking in Lizzie McGuire gifs.

deedee1017

taylormarie923 said:

@taylormarie923 not lizzie mcguire, hillary duff  I think she's so beautiful!

Hillary Duff is Lizzie McGuire. The internet is seriously lacking in Lizzie McGuire gifs.

Lizzie McGuire

Hillary Duff

I know they're the same person, but its not the same thing.

Lee81

ElleStaxx said:

After all, #noneofusmadefunof911.

Everyone kiss and make up! #wedidntmakefunof9/11 #nemopokedmyeyesoutdid

Lee81

rsigler said:

Just don't be getting "suuuper drunk". I think that's the take-away here. @-) :-@

Unless DH is staying sober! Because that is how tonight is shaping up in Casa de Lee.

muffyvonmuff

I'm gonna get suuuppppeerrrrr drunk.... J/K I already am and I hope you're all shocked. Bye Felicia :-h

sooner1981

Wow--I am gone for a week and return to Armageddon!

Now that I am fully aware how flameful it is to feed your kid 2 percent milk, I will confess that we only gave my daughter 2 percent when i weaned at 15 months and will do the same with our son.

The difference between whole milk and 2 percent is 20 calories and 3 fat grams per serving. Among other things, we feed our kids nut butters, which have a lot of saturated fat, beef, and avocados.

Since they are both really good eaters, my daughter certainly doesn't miss the extra 6 grams of fat and 40 extra calories per day that she would get if we swapped her 2 cups of 2 percent milk per day with whole milk.

carawasa

I like pot.

You can interperet that however you'd would like.

Bye now.

Amjoy25

carawasa said:

I like pot.

You can interperet that however you'd would like.

Bye now.

You win. Alright everyone pack it up. Meet ya back next week.

sleepy33

sooner1981 said:

Wow--I am gone for a week and return to Armageddon! Now that I am fully aware how flameful it is to feed your kid 2 percent milk, I will confess that we only gave my daughter 2 percent when i weaned at 15 months and will do the same with our son. The difference between whole milk and 2 percent is 20 calories and 3 fat grams per serving. Among other things, we feed our kids nut butters, which have a lot of saturated fat, beef, and avocados. Since they are both really good eaters, my daughter certainly doesn't miss the extra 6 grams of fat and 40 extra calories per day that she would get if we swapped her 2 cups of 2 percent milk per day with whole milk.

@sooner1981 Yeah, I'm just catching up here, and sorry for resurrecting FFFC, but I'm really curious about your reasoning here. First of all, I think there's a world of difference between an 11 month old and a 15 month old. An 11 month old is getting more than 2 cups of milk a day, yes? Probably more in the neighborhood of 3 cups a day, so that's 9 grams of fat, which seems not an insignificant amount to me, given that most infants/toddlers probably eat a diet relatively low in fat compared to most adults? Quick google search suggests 30 grams of fat per day is recommended for infants under age 1, so 9 is almost a third of the RDA. Mostly, I'm just curious... why you would choose 2% versus whole, given the importance of fats to brain development? And again, I think comparing an 11 month old to a 15 month old is somewhat apples to oranges, as I imagine the volume of solid foods consumed at 15 months is probably greater than that of an 11 month old?

ETA I'm really just curious, not trying to argue or pick a fight, just looking for education

sooner1981

I wasn't saying feeding your 11 month old nothing but 2 percent is okay. Far from it. Especially because who knows how long they have been on that "diet."

I was just saying that with our daughter, who weaned at 15 months and has always been off the charts in height and above the 50th percentile in weight, we didn't feel like it was necessary to give her whole milk for her around 16 ounces of daily milk intake. She has always been a great eater, with adequate intake of a variety of fats. At 2.5, she still has not gone through the normal "survive on nothing but air, milk and buttered noodles" stage that we have heard about. So, it just made nutritional sense for our family.

If she had ever slowed down her love of solid foods, I would have bought a gallon of whole milk to try to add some calories/fat, but she is still off the charts in height and 60th percentile for weight, so she is clearly getting all she needs. We also give her full-fat yogurt drink (filmjolk or kefir) with cereal and fruit for breakfast every morning and fish oil or fatty fish every day, as other fat sources. Fat is important for growing brains!

Tl;dr--I wasn't defending 2 percent milk as a steady diet for an infant. That is bizarre. Milk of any kind as a staple drink (and not just baked into goods) should not be introduced until past a year because it just isn't the same nutritionally as formula or BM. I was just interested that no one discussed alternatives to whole milk with kids over 1, as we have friends who don't do any milk or milk alternative after weaning (usually well after a year) and still have healthy kids (although THAT usually involves much more work--lots of butter/ghee, coconut oil-infused dishes, etc.)

sleepy33

sooner1981 said:

I wasn't saying feeding your 11 month old nothing but 2 percent is okay. Far from it. Especially because who knows how long they have been on that "diet." I was just saying that with our daughter, who weaned at 15 months and has always been off the charts in height and above the 50th percentile in weight, we didn't feel like it was necessary to give her whole milk for her around 16 ounces of daily milk intake. She has always been a great eater, with adequate intake of a variety of fats. At 2.5, she still has not gone through the normal "survive on nothing but air, milk and buttered noodles" stage that we have heard about. So, it just made nutritional sense for our family. If she had ever slowed down her love of solid foods, I would have bought a gallon of whole milk to try to add some calories/fat, but she is still off the charts in height and 60th percentile for weight, so she is clearly getting all she needs. We also give her full-fat yogurt drink (filmjolk or kefir) with cereal and fruit for breakfast every morning and fish oil or fatty fish every day, as other fat sources. Fat is important for growing brains! Tl;dr--I wasn't defending 2 percent milk as a steady diet for an infant. That is bizarre. Milk of any kind as a staple drink (and not just baked into goods) should not be introduced until past a year because it just isn't the same nutritionally as formula or BM. I was just interested that no one discussed alternatives to whole milk with kids over 1, as we have friends who don't do any milk or milk alternative after weaning (usually well after a year) and still have healthy kids (although THAT usually involves much more work--lots of butter/ghee, coconut oil-infused dishes, etc.)

Ok, good, because the way I read it was more as a defense of OP's position (and I think she did, too, given her love-tit, I SEE YOU LURKIN' MWEAV), and I was surprised. I think the highlighted gets to the crux of my questioning about not doing whole milk. Given that it can be hard to find the time and money to provide a well rounded diet that provides 'good' fat from other sources like you mentioned, it seems like most folks would want to hedge their bets by using whole milk as a sort of buffer against days where your kid might eat mostly veggies and grains. Not so much you specifically, because I know you research exhaustively and are very health-conscious, but for the rest of us mere mortals. Also, given the age most of our kids are at now, I just worried about other board members skimming the post and saying, well gee, Sooner says 2% is ok, that's good enough for me! #Soonerissmartysmart #itisknown

sooner1981

sleepy33 said:

sooner1981 said:

I wasn't saying feeding your 11 month old nothing but 2 percent is okay. Far from it. Especially because who knows how long they have been on that "diet."

I was just saying that with our daughter, who weaned at 15 months and has always been off the charts in height and above the 50th percentile in weight, we didn't feel like it was necessary to give her whole milk for her around 16 ounces of daily milk intake. She has always been a great eater, with adequate intake of a variety of fats. At 2.5, she still has not gone through the normal "survive on nothing but air, milk and buttered noodles" stage that we have heard about. So, it just made nutritional sense for our family.

If she had ever slowed down her love of solid foods, I would have bought a gallon of whole milk to try to add some calories/fat, but she is still off the charts in height and 60th percentile for weight, so she is clearly getting all she needs. We also give her full-fat yogurt drink (filmjolk or kefir) with cereal and fruit for breakfast every morning and fish oil or fatty fish every day, as other fat sources. Fat is important for growing brains!

Tl;dr--I wasn't defending 2 percent milk as a steady diet for an infant. That is bizarre. Milk of any kind as a staple drink (and not just baked into goods) should not be introduced until past a year because it just isn't the same nutritionally as formula or BM. I was just interested that no one discussed alternatives to whole milk with kids over 1, as we have friends who don't do any milk or milk alternative after weaning (usually well after a year) and still have healthy kids (although THAT usually involves much more work--lots of butter/ghee, coconut oil-infused dishes, etc.)

Ok, good, because the way I read it was more as a defense of OP's position (and I think she did, too, given her love-tit, I SEE YOU LURKIN' MWEAV), and I was surprised. I think the highlighted gets to the crux of my questioning about not doing whole milk. Given that it can be hard to find the time and money to provide a well rounded diet that provides 'good' fat from other sources like you mentioned, it seems like most folks would want to hedge their bets by using whole milk as a sort of buffer against days where your kid might eat mostly veggies and grains. Not so much you specifically, because I know you research exhaustively and are very health-conscious, but for the rest of us mere mortals. Also, given the age most of our kids are at now, I just worried about other board members skimming the post and saying, well gee, Sooner says 2% is ok, that's good enough for me! #Soonerissmartysmart #itisknown


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Not smarty smart. Just love research in a geeky way. Definitely go for whole milk if your kid isn't eating all the fatty things.

Honestly, I admit I just skimmed the thread and thought everyone was beating up on the idea of only feeding your kid 2 percent after a year--which is what we did (with a million caveats regarding the rest of her diet, which I tried to explain). Thought it was funy--because usually we follow aap recommendations to the letter, just not on this one issue--for the reasons stated above. Thanks for not biting my head off before I had a chance to explain

mweav1025

Ok, I wasn't going to comment, because I didn't want to get into a heated discussion at the moment but I figure I should explain myself since that's what people want.  I love tit sooners post because she was the only one who brought up the nutritional  difference between whole milk and 2%.  If you read my original post I did mention that I worked with my kids doctor about weaning her to milk prior to age one.  I am not feeding her strictly 2% milk.  She gets a well balanced diet, including puree's and table food.  I am not that dumb to have her on a cow's milk only diet.  I wouldn't have jumped into giving her cow's milk without talking to her doctor first.  We slowly weened her into it and kept an eye on signs that she may be having adverse reactions to cow's milk at an early age.  I believe that if my doctor(whom i highly trust) thought in anyway giving her cow's milk before 1 would have stunted her developmental growth she wouldn't have suggested it.  I even called to double check to make sure she was still ok with us starting.

I do research as well before jumping into things with my kids.  It was actually my doctor who mentioned starting cow's milk prior to one year of age and it was discussed between me, my doctor and my husband throughly before we made the decision.  I would hope everyone considers everything, including talking to their doctor before adding changes to their kids diets.  Now I am one that will be holding off on eggs probably even past one because of family history of being highly allergic to eggs and I plan on introducing alternatives to peanut butter because in the community we live in all the schools are peanut free so an alternative is needed at lunch time if that's what she wants and we do not want pay for school lunches.  

So to kind of turn this around, if anyone has good suggestions to alternatives then peanut butter I would love to hear them, because I also need to get my oldest on that since she is one year away from kindergarden and will be needing to take lunches.