Opting for C-Section

mandi195

My OB doesn't do elective C-Sections. He will do one if needed, but only for medical reasons. 

Honestly, my view on labor/delivery has always been this: Women have babies in bushes in some countries, and then pick up their baby and continue on with their day. Therefore, I am confident that I will be successful in having a baby at my hospital of choice with a large, well trained medical staff. 

Also, I would never cut/scar my body without necessity. My guts are supposed to be INSIDE of me, and I prefer they stay there. 

hopanka

My SIL did this. In fact, she was put under general anesthesia, so she did not have to be present (so-to-speak) during birth. I have never seen someone so terrified of labor in my life. I think she actually has a phobia. I did not judge her. It was her body and her decision. She loved her choice and was happy with the recovery time. It's not my thing, I went the opposite way with un-medicated labor, but I feel like it was not my place to judge.

shortyjrose

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries.
In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery.
When you fight nature things go wrong.
Good luck with your situation.

firsttimeaussiemum

shortyjrose said:

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries.
In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery.
When you fight nature things go wrong.
Good luck with your situation.

Did you stop and think about peoples circumstances before you started talking out your ass? Did you think maybe some woman opt for one because there concerned they won't be able to have a natural birth or there mother had nothing but emergency c sections and they are worried about been in the same situation.

crunchymamaof2

firsttimeaussiemum said:

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries. In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery. When you fight nature things go wrong. Good luck with your situation.

Did you stop and think about peoples circumstances before you started talking out your ass? Did you think maybe some woman opt for one because there concerned they won't be able to have a natural birth or there mother had nothing but emergency c sections and they are worried about been in the same situation.

Fear or your mother's experiences have no bearing on your ability to give birth. And neither are reasons for someone to elect to have major abdominal surgery. Fear of childbirth and the unknown is normal, completely normal. But fear is a part of life. You deal with it, you don't get cut open for it. Your appendix could blow up at any time (mine sure as hell did when I was 7) but that doesn't mean you should just get it taken out for funsies. If you are truly that nervous that you're willing to undergo major surgery I think talking to someone would be extremely beneficial. I say that sincerely. 

 @ausdad yes, ultimately your wife gets to choose. But if my husband were pushing for me to have a major, risky surgery we'd have some problems. This is your child too and the safest option should be on the forefront of her mind. Her fear is totally normal. But she needs to have real facts and not some idiot doctors opinion. I think her doctor should face some type of discipline for being so nonchalant about such a major surgery. Not only are c-sections riskier and usually harder on mom (infection risk, bleeding, incision re-opening, reactions to the medications, and increased risk for future pregnancies) but they're harder and riskier on babies too. Coming out a vagina isn't just for funsies either, it actually helps baby with breathing as it helps squeeze out fluid in the lungs. Babies born by c-section are more likely to experience breathing problems, and if they're taken too early wind up in the nicu. I honestly don't know how anyone can willingly accept these risks when there is no valid reason to have a c-section. 

 Before a few try to twist my words- I think c-sections are amazing, life saving things. If there were any reason that I'd need one I'd thank my lucky stars there was a way I could get my baby out safely. But I would not elect to have one out of fear, convenience, my baby being "too big", or me being 41 weeks. C-sections may not cost the parents more money (in rare cases, I know my insurance would likely cover it 100%), but it sure as hell makes the doctor more money and is way more convenient for them. Obstetricians are amazing doctors who can save lives, but, like many doctors, they've been taught to fix things. During a routine vaginal birth there often isn't much for an Ob to do and that's not what many are used to. A c-section gets them in and out and gives them something to do. Not all obs are like this, obviously, but there is a true problem going on with the c-section rate being over 30% in America and over 15% in over 69 other countries. The actual rate should be closer to 5%, 10% tops. https://www.who.int/healthsystems/topics/financing/healthreport/30C-sectioncosts.pdf all of the unnecessary c-sections increase risk, complications, and healthcare costs as a whole. 

 If I were in your situation I'd tell my wife that you will not be okay with an elective c-section until you get a second opinion. She is not getting the correct information and I'd make sure she has a doctor who will give her the right information before agreeing to this. If she accepts these risks (while being FULLY informed) then that's that, but I couldn't sit back and watch my partner make uninformed risky choices when both her and our child's lives are at stake. Any type of birth can carry risks and dangers. The path with the least risk should always be chosen first. Good luck.

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Sahara6971

firsttimeaussiemum said:

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries. In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery. When you fight nature things go wrong. Good luck with your situation.

Did you stop and think about peoples circumstances before you started talking out your ass? Did you think maybe some woman opt for one because there concerned they won't be able to have a natural birth or there mother had nothing but emergency c sections and they are worried about been in the same situation.

Wait, who is the one talking out of their ass?? I believe that would be you firsttimeaussiemum. Clearly you need some education on childbirth.

schnitz9

firsttimeaussiemum said:

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries. In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery. When you fight nature things go wrong. Good luck with your situation.

Did you stop and think about peoples circumstances before you started talking out your ass? Did you think maybe some woman opt for one because there concerned they won't be able to have a natural birth or there mother had nothing but emergency c sections and they are worried about been in the same situation.

R u serious with this?  Just because my mother had a c-section doesn't mean that I'm going to have to.  It's not some sort of genetic disease. There are many reasons for emergency c-sections and they wouldn't be passed down to you.  Beside why are we still even talking about all of this .  The OP hasn't been back to this thread in over 2 weeks. 

Sahara6971

GhostMonkey said:

Danipg said:

As someone who is 7 weeks postpartum after a c-section, I would not recommend it unless she has too. Your movement is so limited the first few weeks (depending on how you heal), you can't lift anything over 10 lbs (that may vary based on your doctor), so if you're like me with a 10 lb baby, no lifting him, my DH or MIL had to bring him to me and holding him for any long period of time was hard due to the tenderness of my incision-and this lasted almost 2 full weeks- now not every baby is born that big, but even then-bending down and getting back up is a while process as well. Your abs are useless and you aren't supposed to use them for the first bit anyways. It is MAJOR Surgery and recovery can be quite unpleasant. I would also get a 2nd opinion, that doc sounds like a quack.

This is untrue. Mine was just under 10 lbs and my OB made my restriction nothing heavier than the baby. Yours is a bit of a douche for telling you that you can't hold your baby.

I felt back to about 85-90% at my 6 week appointment.


And wow. Scout was spot on with the c-section haters around here. Those of you on that side, remember- you have sahara on your side and you know what a pile of special she is.

I have had two c-sections and will probably have one this time around as well. But there you go putting words in to my mouth again. You are pretty special too GhostMonkey, thanks sweetie. XO

Empireceo

GhostMonkey said:

Danipg said:

As someone who is 7 weeks postpartum after a c-section, I would not recommend it unless she has too. Your movement is so limited the first few weeks (depending on how you heal), you can't lift anything over 10 lbs (that may vary based on your doctor), so if you're like me with a 10 lb baby, no lifting him, my DH or MIL had to bring him to me and holding him for any long period of time was hard due to the tenderness of my incision-and this lasted almost 2 full weeks- now not every baby is born that big, but even then-bending down and getting back up is a while process as well. Your abs are useless and you aren't supposed to use them for the first bit anyways. It is MAJOR Surgery and recovery can be quite unpleasant. I would also get a 2nd opinion, that doc sounds like a quack.

This is untrue. Mine was just under 10 lbs and my OB made my restriction nothing heavier than the baby. Yours is a bit of a douche for telling you that you can't hold your baby.

I felt back to about 85-90% at my 6 week appointment.


And wow. Scout was spot on with the c-section haters around here. Those of you on that side, remember- you have sahara on your side and you know what a pile of special she is.

Eh, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

firsttimeaussiemum

crunchymamaof2 said:

firsttimeaussiemum said:

shortyjrose said:

I'm be no means going to suggest a c section but a lot of people outside of America get them by choice. Only the poor or lower class gives birth vaginally in a lot of countries.
In The United States most of us do it the old fashioned way. The way we were intended to. If we were supposed to get our babies cut out of our bodies we wouldn't be able to do all of the amazing things that our bodies allow us to do during labor and delivery.
When you fight nature things go wrong.
Good luck with your situation.

Did you stop and think about peoples circumstances before you started talking out your ass? Did you think maybe some woman opt for one because there concerned they won't be able to have a natural birth or there mother had nothing but emergency c sections and they are worried about been in the same situation.

Fear or your mother's experiences have no bearing on your ability to give birth. And neither are reasons for someone to elect to have major abdominal surgery. Fear of childbirth and the unknown is normal, completely normal. But fear is a part of life. You deal with it, you don't get cut open for it. Your appendix could blow up at any time (mine sure as hell did when I was 7) but that doesn't mean you should just get it taken out for funsies. If you are truly that nervous that you're willing to undergo major surgery I think talking to someone would be extremely beneficial. I say that sincerely. 

 @ausdad yes, ultimately your wife gets to choose. But if my husband were pushing for me to have a major, risky surgery we'd have some problems. This is your child too and the safest option should be on the forefront of her mind. Her fear is totally normal. But she needs to have real facts and not some idiot doctors opinion. I think her doctor should face some type of discipline for being so nonchalant about such a major surgery. Not only are c-sections riskier and usually harder on mom (infection risk, bleeding, incision re-opening, reactions to the medications, and increased risk for future pregnancies) but they're harder and riskier on babies too. Coming out a vagina isn't just for funsies either, it actually helps baby with breathing as it helps squeeze out fluid in the lungs. Babies born by c-section are more likely to experience breathing problems, and if they're taken too early wind up in the nicu. I honestly don't know how anyone can willingly accept these risks when there is no valid reason to have a c-section. 

 Before a few try to twist my words- I think c-sections are amazing, life saving things. If there were any reason that I'd need one I'd thank my lucky stars there was a way I could get my baby out safely. But I would not elect to have one out of fear, convenience, my baby being "too big", or me being 41 weeks. C-sections may not cost the parents more money (in rare cases, I know my insurance would likely cover it 100%), but it sure as hell makes the doctor more money and is way more convenient for them. Obstetricians are amazing doctors who can save lives, but, like many doctors, they've been taught to fix things. During a routine vaginal birth there often isn't much for an Ob to do and that's not what many are used to. A c-section gets them in and out and gives them something to do. Not all obs are like this, obviously, but there is a true problem going on with the c-section rate being over 30% in America and over 15% in over 69 other countries. The actual rate should be closer to 5%, 10% tops.
https://www.who.int/healthsystems/topics/financing/healthreport/30C-sectioncosts.pdf all of the unnecessary c-sections increase risk, complications, and healthcare costs as a whole. 

 If I were in your situation I'd tell my wife that you will not be okay with an elective c-section until you get a second opinion. She is not getting the correct information and I'd make sure she has a doctor who will give her the right information before agreeing to this. If she accepts these risks (while being FULLY informed) then that's that, but I couldn't sit back and watch my partner make uninformed risky choices when both her and our child's lives are at stake. Any type of birth can carry risks and dangers. The path with the least risk should always be chosen first. Good luck.

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I do understand that fear is just one thing you should suck up but it can be to overwhelming for some people. And if someone wants to have a c section then it's there choice no one else's. Just because your not a fan doesn't mean they shouldn't be done.

JCWhitey

ICarriedAWatermelon said:

I can't imagine opting for major surgery myself. I am going to a hospital that doesn't even offer C-section, they have to air lift you to a major city centre if you need one.

My friend is horrified that I am going to a non-C-section facility since she had one about 18 hours into labor because she was to exhausted to keep pushing and she couldn't imagine not having one now. I get that there is advantages for some people but for me, I would much rather not be cut open.

I think her concerns and your concerns are both valid, but at the end of the day as long as the baby is born I don't think it matters how it gets out. I would probably get a second opinion though.

You have to get in a helicopter? What if you have, like, cord prolapse?

This is the same where I live.  One hospital for 150 miles.  No epi, no induction meds, no c-section.  If you want those, you plan to drive the 150 miles to the larger hospital.  If you have an emergency during labor you get Light Flight.  Mortality rate at my hospital is 0%.  C-section is 0%.  But they are SUPER picky about who they let deliver there and most women (over 80%) don't qualify.

JCWhitey

Here's how I viewed it when I was pregnant with my first:  You can have the "pain" of labor (which honestly isn't the pain you experience when you, say, break a bone or something) for however long you're in labor.  Or you can get an epi and possibly not experience much if anything for however long your labor lasts.  In both scenarios you will likely be up and walking around your room the day you give birth.  Or you can get a c-section and experience pain and discomfort for possibly weeks.

With a c-section you need to recover from major surgery.  I mean, they pull your internal organs OUT to get to your uterus and baby.  There was a post on my BMB this week with "funny stories" and one shared that after her c-section she heard her doctor say "ok, now who has her bladder?".  It's not as simple as making a little cut and pulling the baby out.  It's serious and carries a long recovery period.  Even after you leave the hospital there's limited movement, you can't drive, and most women will experience discomfort at the c-section site for days, even weeks.  So what could potentially be 10-24 hours of discomfort and "pain", instead you get days and days of it.  Does that really sound easier?

C-sections are great and definitely have a place in modern medicine.  They have saved the lives of many women and children.  But this misconception that they are inherently easier just baffles me.  I know some women have very physically traumatic vaginal births who experience pain and discomfort for a long time after birth, but the number of those experiences are much smaller, whereas the number of women who will experience pain and discomfort from a c-section is pretty darn close to 100%.  

Maybe have your wife do some research into epidurals.  She doesn't need to have a natural childbirth with no meds/no interventions.  Epis are great for women who are really afraid of the pain and process of childbirth (and for those who aren't afraid but just don't want to experience it).  

crunchymamaof2

econmama said:

@JCWhitey‌ You are up walking right after a c-section too. I was out of bed within 12 hours. And I hate all the folks who talk out of the side of their mouths on c-sections. "Sure, they're great medical advances, but here is all the reasons why they are like the worst way to ever deliver a baby. Blah. Blah. Blah." And yes, there is pain and discomfort after a c-section (I've had one unlike most of the bashers), but I sure know many folks who gave birth vaginally who were in pain and had discomfort for a few weeks too. FFS.

They are great medical advances. They save lives. That's their purpose. They're not meant for elective purposes. Non medically warranted c-sections carry uneccessary risk and drive up costs. For a doctor to agree to an elective c-section solely because the more says "I'm really afraid to tear. I'm afraid of the pain" is absurd. And for one to claim the risks are equal to vaginal birth is a complete idiot.

crunchymamaof2

@firsttimeaussiemum‌ if your fear of vaginal childbirth is so great then you should talk to someone about it. Sincerely. If your doctor knows you have a debilitating fear (example, you (general) were avoiding getting pregnant solely due to delivery),or you go into panic attacks every time you think about it, and has informed you of all the risks then if that's what you choose so be it. I don't necessarily agree with it but it's not my life or my child. The OP's wife clearly doesn't have all the facts and has an idiot doctor. Some act like c-sections are no big deal, simply another choice. It's a major surgery.

crunchymamaof2

econmama said:

econmama said:

@JCWhitey‌ You are up walking right after a c-section too. I was out of bed within 12 hours. And I hate all the folks who talk out of the side of their mouths on c-sections. "Sure, they're great medical advances, but here is all the reasons why they are like the worst way to ever deliver a baby. Blah. Blah. Blah." And yes, there is pain and discomfort after a c-section (I've had one unlike most of the bashers), but I sure know many folks who gave birth vaginally who were in pain and had discomfort for a few weeks too. FFS.

They are great medical advances. They save lives. That's their purpose. They're not meant for elective purposes. Non medically warranted c-sections carry uneccessary risk and drive up costs. For a doctor to agree to an elective c-section solely because the more says "I'm really afraid to tear. I'm afraid of the pain" is absurd. And for one to claim the risks are equal to vaginal birth is a complete idiot.

I don't disagree. But folks on TB act like getting a c-section means you're unable to move for months and it's a horrible thing. Birth is hard, regardless of how you do it!

Hell I had a friend that was having sex with her husband, in her hospital bed, less than 24 hours after a section. Ouch is all I have to say!

Ardmhs83

SmileyGirl18 said:

Is this for real? If so run, don't walk, to a new OB. I had to have a crash/ emergency CS and I would never choose one over natural delivery. You understand that they are going to cut, and then pull apart her abdominal muscles, right? Then they are going to pull her baby out through that cut and dig around her uterus to get the placenta out. Once that is done, and will either be stapled, stitched or glued closed. The surgery alone should be a deterrent. But, in case it isn't, let's talk recovery. She will have zero use of her abdominal muscles for at least a week, most likely longer. That means getting in and out of bed will not only be difficult, it will be very painful. She won't be able to lift anything for at least two weeks, probably longer, and will need constant help with the smallest chores or taking care of herself. She will need to be on pain killers that will make her hazy and unable to drive until she is off them. CSs are NOT the easier way to go. I have no issues with medically necessary CSs or RCSs but, 100% elective? Heck no! Who elects to have MAJOR surgery because they are scared of the unknown and want to schedule birth? If she is concerned about the uncertainty of birth, she is in for a rude awakening when the baby is actually here.

I couldn't agree with you more!  The recovery is terrible!! 

Also keep in mind, if you plan to have more children having a c/s could possible lead to more problems with baby #2,3, etc and the risks to a RCS are higher than the first c/s because of scar tissue.  Then if she changes her mind and wants to vaginally deliver the second, finding someone who is willing to work with a VBAC is a whole other story.  I had my first by c/s and hated it all, praying to get the chance to have a vaginal delivery next time.  I would never volunteer to just have a c/s becaused I feared a vaginal birth...to me a c/s was a lot more scary.    

Empireceo

GhostMonkey said:

Empireceo said:

GhostMonkey said:

Danipg said:

As someone who is 7 weeks postpartum after a c-section, I would not recommend it unless she has too. Your movement is so limited the first few weeks (depending on how you heal), you can't lift anything over 10 lbs (that may vary based on your doctor), so if you're like me with a 10 lb baby, no lifting him, my DH or MIL had to bring him to me and holding him for any long period of time was hard due to the tenderness of my incision-and this lasted almost 2 full weeks- now not every baby is born that big, but even then-bending down and getting back up is a while process as well. Your abs are useless and you aren't supposed to use them for the first bit anyways. It is MAJOR Surgery and recovery can be quite unpleasant. I would also get a 2nd opinion, that doc sounds like a quack.

This is untrue. Mine was just under 10 lbs and my OB made my restriction nothing heavier than the baby. Yours is a bit of a douche for telling you that you can't hold your baby.

I felt back to about 85-90% at my 6 week appointment.


And wow. Scout was spot on with the c-section haters around here. Those of you on that side, remember- you have sahara on your side and you know what a pile of special she is.

Eh, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

@empireceo Wow. You are rarely a judge other moms for making choices that are best for them. There's a difference between encouraging people to go for more "natural" options and shaming people into choosing what you want. Way to act like Pro-Birthers on this topic. Shame until you see our way or shun if you choose the other option.

Whoa. That comment was mostly at Sahara being on "our" "side" or whatever. People should birth however they choose, truly. I think someone who says she is scared of birth so she wants a c/s more than likely needs some more info/education. I don't think c/s are evil. I've had one. And my recovery was incredibly easy. That doesn't change the fact that it is major surgery. I may have missed something but I'm the furthest thing from a pro birther. I'm not pro hysteria or pro "my vag will never be the same" either.

schnitz9

I think the argument here is not that a CS is evil.  If I had to have CS for a medical reason I would not hesitate for a second.  To me whats most important is mine and my baby's health.  What many mothers here are simply saying is that a non-medical elective CS is certainly not something to be taken lightly.  From this thread it is obvious that all women recover differently from childbirth vaginal and CS. But the women that have had a CS it seems as if you had them because per your dr you medically needed them.  Not because you were scared of the unknown. Hell I'm scared of a lot of things but I'm not gonna go cut my body open if a dr doesn't think I have to. The way I would put it is I'm pro-healthy birth. There is a risk either way.  I'm all for the way that has the least risk at the time to me and my baby.

JCWhitey

econmama said:

@JCWhitey‌ You are up walking right after a c-section too. I was out of bed within 12 hours. And I hate all the folks who talk out of the side of their mouths on c-sections. "Sure, they're great medical advances, but here is all the reasons why they are like the worst way to ever deliver a baby. Blah. Blah. Blah." And yes, there is pain and discomfort after a c-section (I've had one unlike most of the bashers), but I sure know many folks who gave birth vaginally who were in pain and had discomfort for a few weeks too. FFS.

You can be, yes, but many are not or are not comfortable with it.  And I did mention that women can have traumatic vaginal births, too.  Please re-read the post.  

I haven't had a c-section, but I've had abdominal surgery.  I could get out of bed and walk around but it was far from comfortable and I only did it to get to the bathroom and back to bed for the first 2-3 days.  I wasn't hiking a mile through the woods 3 days later like I did after vaginal birth.  You can try to spin it any way you can but probably 75% of the time (shooting out a random number since I don't have time to read any actual studies) recovery from a vaginal birth is easier than a c-section.  That's not saying EVERY vaginal birth is easier than EVERY c-section.

JCWhitey

econmama said:

@JCWhitey‌ I'm not spinning anything. Your posts are just braggy. Mile hike three-days pp? Labor isn't painful? For someone who hasn't read the studies and hasn't experienced a section, you are pretty damn sure of yourself.

Where did I say labor isn't painful??  Again, re-read the original post.

I am in fact pretty damn sure that for most women surgery will recovery a longer recovery period.  That's pretty much common sense.  There are actually two great studies out there that touched on this topic, but only one that compared elective c-sections with vaginal births, which is the topic at hand here.  That one was studying infant outcomes, not recovery, though.  The other study didn't differentiate elective c-sections from emergency or medically necessary c-sections and that's not what's being discussed here.

firsttimeaussiemum

crunchymamaof2 said:

@firsttimeaussiemum‌ if your fear of vaginal childbirth is so great then you should talk to someone about it. Sincerely. If your doctor knows you have a debilitating fear (example, you (general) were avoiding getting pregnant solely due to delivery),or you go into panic attacks every time you think about it, and has informed you of all the risks then if that's what you choose so be it. I don't necessarily agree with it but it's not my life or my child. The OP's wife clearly doesn't have all the facts and has an idiot doctor. Some act like c-sections are no big deal, simply another choice. It's a major surgery.

The fear is very much something I want to over come I really don't want to have to deal with the extra pain and recovery time. But I do just fear I can't do it. Thank you for your advice and I am going to look into getting help with it all.

crunchymamaof2

firsttimeaussiemum said:

@firsttimeaussiemum‌ if your fear of vaginal childbirth is so great then you should talk to someone about it. Sincerely. If your doctor knows you have a debilitating fear (example, you (general) were avoiding getting pregnant solely due to delivery),or you go into panic attacks every time you think about it, and has informed you of all the risks then if that's what you choose so be it. I don't necessarily agree with it but it's not my life or my child. The OP's wife clearly doesn't have all the facts and has an idiot doctor. Some act like c-sections are no big deal, simply another choice. It's a major surgery.

The fear is very much something I want to over come I really don't want to have to deal with the extra pain and recovery time. But I do just fear I can't do it. Thank you for your advice and I am going to look into getting help with it all.

I'm sorry you're dealing with this. Hugs.

Samuelismomma

Maybe I'm missing something, but being an RN in the states. I have never seen an ob risk His/her license on an elective c/s just because mom doesn't want to go through labor. Well not a good, respected OB, unless we are talking in holly weird;) for the stars!

JCWhitey

etoille said:

JCWhitey said:

econmama said:

@JCWhitey‌ I'm not spinning anything. Your posts are just braggy. Mile hike three-days pp? Labor isn't painful? For someone who hasn't read the studies and hasn't experienced a section, you are pretty damn sure of yourself.

Where did I say labor isn't painful??  Again, re-read the original post.

I am in fact pretty damn sure that for most women surgery will recovery a longer recovery period.  That's pretty much common sense.  There are actually two great studies out there that touched on this topic, but only one that compared elective c-sections with vaginal births, which is the topic at hand here.  That one was studying infant outcomes, not recovery, though.  The other study didn't differentiate elective c-sections from emergency or medically necessary c-sections and that's not what's being discussed here.

Oh.  You must be under the impression that I didn't link your bullshit post about labor not being painful "just intense" from M15 back to J13.

Whoops.

Which makes the quotes around "pain" in your post in this thread crystal clear as to intent as well.  

Later Gwyneth.

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Well if I'm comparing breaking my shoulder and my ovarian cyst exploding then no, labor wasn't painful in comparison.  Uncomfortable and intense but when most people think "pain" they think of the most painful experience they've ever had and childbirth isn't really like that.  Since there's no other word out there to describe it then painful it is, but it's a different kind which is what I try to tell people.  And I've never read a birth story where the mom goes into shock over the pain, but I've seen many people go into shock over pain from an injury.  I hate the way women try to scare others by painting birth to be this horrible terrible thing and, yes, I try to counteract it but explaining that it's pain but not the sort of pain most people think about.  Maybe if more people shared it that way women wouldn't have the anxiety they do about labor and delivery.  But go ahead and keep making people frightened of an experience they HAVE to go through if they are pregnant.  That seems productive.

merc5411

GhostMonkey said:

Samuelismomma said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but being an RN in the states. I have never seen an ob risk His/her license on an elective c/s just because mom doesn't want to go through labor. Well not a good, respected OB, unless we are talking in holly weird;) for the stars!

Why the fuck would their license be at risk? That's idiotic. Is a plastic surgeon's license at risk for performing a breast enlargement that isn't medically necessary? No? Ok then.

This is the same thing. If we were talking about boob jobs being the devil I know damn near every last one of the ladies speaking against elective c-sections would be all over that and telling you not to step on people's right to choose what they do with their body. But because it's a birth, suddenly they get a say on someone else's body.

Hypocrites. A shit load of you. Are you all actually male Republican senators? Because your feeling that you get a say in someone else's birth choice sounds very much like their love of control someone else's uterus.





This. I'm an RN too and a doctor's license wouldn't be a risk for performing an elective c-section. FFS.

llambrose

When I was pregnant with my first 5 years ago, I was secretly hoping for a c-section. Truthfully I was really scared of giving birth, how it would hurt, how long it would last, when it would happen, it just felt like there were do many unknowns and to me that was terrifying. I felt like getting a scheduled c-section was easier, less scary, more controlled and it appealed to me. I ended up with low fluid, needing to be induced, I had some contractions that were easily handled with pain meds and an epidural and I ended up having a very easy and quick delivery. There is very little about my experience that I would change. I did tear, it wasn't comfortable but I can't imagine that it even compares to an actual surgical incision that cuts through skin, muscle, fat and an organ. Now, having been through it, a c-section seems way scarier (I have never had any kind of surgery) and I will hopefully not need one. I get her being scared but her doctor is doing her a great disservice by telling her that they are equal options.

crunchymamaof2

bearsbearsbears said:

ahbEsq said:

The pain and recovery from a tear or epistiotomy is nothing compared to the pain and recovery of a C-section. It sounds like your wife is scared of the unknown but it is possible to have an easy and quick natural delivery. But the recovery from a C-section is almost always harder/longer than recovery from a natural delivery.

Good to know that the pain and recovery I had from the tearing after my 100% vaginal unmedicated birth was nothing.  I'm really confused as to why my OB offered me an epidural when he had to do my stitches (2 fucking hours) and why I had a catheter placed to prevent the tear from spreading to my urethra.  I must have imagined it!  I'm not sure why I needed surgery 2 weeks after birth since tearing is really no big deal!  God, those OBs and their unnecessary interventions!  And all those physical restrictions afterwards--I must have been delusional to have followed them.

And the poster saying that labor doesn't hurt.  WTF are you smoking there?  Maybe you had a magical, unicorn birth, but that shit was pain.  The only reason I pushed the baby out was because I was pretty sure I couldn't suck him back in.

Hell yes to the last line. Both my labors hurt like bloody fucking hell. I kept yelling "get him the fuck out of me!"

I'm sorry you had such a painful experience in regards to tearing. That much have been awful. Hugs.

MaidenKaz

OMG--Why would she want this? I have had 2 C-sections and they were both MAJOR ABDOMINAL SURGERY. Healing is more painful and holding the baby or nursing is more difficult. Perhaps she thinks she can avoid the pain of labor but this is a whole new and longer pain in recovery. If it is NECESSARY fine, but if I had the choice, I never would have done it!

charlie+7

My hubbie and I are hoping for a vaginal birth but due to medical issues I may have to have a C section which I'd prefer to stay away from. From my limited research recovery from c section is longer and it is major abdominal surgery with all associated risks. However, my number one priority will always be mine and babies health. So I'll do as they tell me when the time comes.
I'd certainly find a lot of research for and against both and then discuss with your partner. Asking her why she wishes to have a C section. Then respecting her final, well informed decision.